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I've been doing a lot of reading on Gengar/mega geng, you 100% need to have either sludge bomb or sludge wave(will only be able to get wave when pokebank opens since its from dw) in his movepool to kill fairy pokemon. I'm also not sure about subsitute right now too if you are gonna use mega. With mega you seem to want to be an all out attacker and sub might be a waste, also one of the main reasons you used sub was for disable/pain split, so with mega I would either use 4 offense moves or 3 and protect but thats just my opinion( might not be a great one, don't have much competitive xp, only lots of reading up).
What I am gonna run on my mega gengar is
Sludge Bomb( I think 20% more chance to poison is better than 5 more power, plus can't get wave till december)
Shadow Ball
Focus Miss
For last slot either Protect/Thunderbolt/something else i am forgetting
As XaCez said, you can only have 1 mega evo per team so having both blazikenite/gengarite is a waste. Also if you plan to get into competitive battling than Blaziken will most likely be in Ubers and most battling has Ubers banned. The list hasn't been updated for X/Y yet so we don't know what else will be in ubers, like mega gengar might be up there since its stats are crazy+steel lost ghost resist+stab sludge bomb for fairy types, plus shadow trap is op. Losing levitate might keep it in OU though. Trick Room really hurts your Gengar/Blaziken too.
Also from what I've been reading, the meta will most likely be around Bulky attackers, since Stall type teams got really hurt and all out attackers got hurt with the weather nerfs.
Also it looks like having a Sticky Web user on your team looks like a 100% must since Speed is so important
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I forgot that Fairy type was weak to Poison. I was actually considering no Substitute as well, and your feedback was definitely helpful in that aspect. The great thing about losing levitate is that you don't lose levitate on switch ins and don't have to activate Mega Evo right away against a ground switch-in 
As for this team, I am playing by Nintendo Singles rules and so SB Blaziken is totally fairplay. I am also planning to use this to dominate Legendary running noobs that run UU legendaries thinking they are good and stomping them with Uber non-legendaries.
As far as Sticky Web, I constructed this team around the fact that my team will be strong against sticky web setups. Theres 4 trick room users that benefit from getting stickied and a SB Blaziken and also a Mega Evo Gengar. The Gengar would probably be affected most by Sticky Web but life goes. Blaziken can probably go unaffected by Sticky Web with proper switching.
As the second opinionator of Trick Room hurting Gengar / Blaziken (I think it's irrelevant, or even a requirement since a Trick Room team needs revenge killers for when Trick Room is down. Also I think that Pokes like Aegislash function fine without TR as well so only Chandelure really requires TR, which is fairly random in the first place. Trick Room is just disastrous against teams with no answer.) I would also like to hear your opinions on substitutes if you think Blaziken/Gengar is bad. Also I'm curious on why you think I need Sticky Web. Thanks!
Also fuck Focus Miss.
+ Show Spoiler [Updated Team] +Gengar - Gengarite
- Sludge Bomb
- Shadowball
- Focus Blast
- Thunderbolt / Dark Pulse / Energy Ball
Aegislash - Leftovers/???
- Sword's Dance
- King's Shield
- Sacred Sword
- Iron Head / Shadow Claw / Shadow Sneak
Dusclops - Eviolite
- Trick Room
- Will-O-Wisp
- Pain Split
- Night Shade
Blaziken - Life Orb
- Protect
- Sword's Dance
- Hi Jump Kick
- Flare Blitz
Jellicent - Leftovers/???
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover
- Scald
- Shadow Ball / Taunt
Chandelure - ??? // This moveset is also really messy
- Overheat / Fireblast
- Shadowball / Solarbeam
- Substitute
- Sunny Day
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I think Trick Room gonna be unreliable/unviable since it only lasts 5 turns, I think it will maybe be fine to have 1 poke with trick room then have like 1-2 other pokemon that will be good with it then having 3 other strong allaround good pokemon like gengar and blaziken. With your team you have Dusclops with TR, but then your other slow pokemon are more used for stall comps and are not really offensive so they wouldn't get that much benefit from TR, you def want some pokemon who is really slow but really strong and can take advantage from TR. Here is a thread on Smogon discussing TR http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/trick-room-potential.3490099/ Some good pokes that would be useful with TR mentioned in there.
For other substitutes I would def recommend A fairy type, then just seem like a really strong type since they destroy dragons and that one of their only weakness(steel) just got nerfed hard by losing ghost/dark resist plus stall comps which used a lot of steel types will not be used that much so they mainly have to worry about poison which there currently is not a lot of poison types being used. I am most likely going to be using Azumarill, he was UU in B/W and now with fairy type he gains more bulk plus gains a stab fairy move to kill dragons and would do decent damage to the pokes that countered him last game like jellicent
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On October 22 2013 02:51 Archas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 01:27 Vonthin wrote:
Does anyone know if there are any other viable Sticky Web users besides the thunder spider(forgot his name think its like galvantula or something like that) Far as I know, the only Pokémon that can use it are Ariados, Shuckle, and Galvantula, with the latter being by far the best. That will probably change when the Pokémon Bank is released, but until late December, you got three options.
Correction: Masquerain gets Sticky Web too. Might make a better user of it on a more defensive team due to higher bulk and Intimidate.
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Man, I looked at Smogon today, and god damn... pangoro's base stats way off b the initial estimates. All his stats besides his attack stat are a solid fifteen points lower. Thoughts were his bst was like 580, turns out it more like 505.
QQ, what a waste of parting shot. No bulk at all.
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On October 22 2013 04:50 Vonthin wrote:I think Trick Room gonna be unreliable/unviable since it only lasts 5 turns, I think it will maybe be fine to have 1 poke with trick room then have like 1-2 other pokemon that will be good with it then having 3 other strong allaround good pokemon like gengar and blaziken. With your team you have Dusclops with TR, but then your other slow pokemon are more used for stall comps and are not really offensive so they wouldn't get that much benefit from TR, you def want some pokemon who is really slow but really strong and can take advantage from TR. Here is a thread on Smogon discussing TR http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/trick-room-potential.3490099/ Some good pokes that would be useful with TR mentioned in there. For other substitutes I would def recommend A fairy type, then just seem like a really strong type since they destroy dragons and that one of their only weakness(steel) just got nerfed hard by losing ghost/dark resist plus stall comps which used a lot of steel types will not be used that much so they mainly have to worry about poison which there currently is not a lot of poison types being used. I am most likely going to be using Azumarill, he was UU in B/W and now with fairy type he gains more bulk plus gains a stab fairy move to kill dragons and would do decent damage to the pokes that countered him last game like jellicent
I really like this advice! Thanks I will be thinking about replacing Jellicent with a Fairy Type that synergizes with Trick Room. Time to do research on Faeries!
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Tentative team if anyone has advice:
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Bulky toed sets up 10 turn rain and then uses toxic/perish to force a switch (if they try to contest for weather). Maybe encore instead of perish to lock them into a bad move.
Offensive Cores Toxicroak/Dragonite take advantage of rain while Mamoswine/Starmie still provide good damage. Ferrothorn main defensive pivot with hazards and Gyro Ball for fairy coverage.
Pretty significant weakness to grass like a power whip Ferrothorn but I can switch into my cores that can deal with most grasses pretty easily (maybe run ice beam on one of my water types?)
Starmie could also be a strong sweeper with Life Orb/Analytic set but I wanted to keep it to 1 unique item rule just in case and can't really think of anything other than Life Orb on Dragonite since he's a mixed sweeper. Possibly a utility berry?
Cheers!
Politoed @ Damp Rock
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Protect
- Perish Song/Encore
- Toxic
Toxicroak @ Black Sludge
Trait: Dry Skin
EVs: 244 HP / 132 Atk / 120 Def / 12 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Bulk Up
- Drain Punch
- Substitute
- Sucker Punch
Dragonite @ Life Orb
Trait: Multiscale
EVs: 76 Atk / 252 SpA / 180 Spe
Mild Nature
-Hurricane
-Thunder
-Aqua Tail
-Earthquake/ (Roost?)
Starmie @ Left Overs
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 248 HP / 32 Def / 4 SpA / 224 Spe
Timid Nature
-Scald
-Rapid Spin
-PsyShock
-Recover
Mamoswine @ Choice Band
Trait: Thick Fat
Evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
-Icicle Crash
-Ice Shard
-Superpower
-Earthquake
Ferrothorn @Rocky Helmet/Leftovers
Trait: Iron Barbs
Evs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SpD
Relaxed Nature
-Leech Seed
-Spikes
-Gyro ball
-Protect
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On October 22 2013 04:14 Vonthin wrote:
I've been doing a lot of reading on Gengar/mega geng, you 100% need to have either sludge bomb or sludge wave(will only be able to get wave when pokebank opens since its from dw) in his movepool to kill fairy pokemon. I'm also not sure about subsitute right now too if you are gonna use mega. With mega you seem to want to be an all out attacker and sub might be a waste, also one of the main reasons you used sub was for disable/pain split, so with mega I would either use 4 offense moves or 3 and protect but thats just my opinion( might not be a great one, don't have much competitive xp, only lots of reading up).
What I am gonna run on my mega gengar is
Sludge Bomb( I think 20% more chance to poison is better than 5 more power, plus can't get wave till december)
Shadow Ball
Focus Miss
For last slot either Protect/Thunderbolt/something else i am forgetting
As XaCez said, you can only have 1 mega evo per team so having both blazikenite/gengarite is a waste. Also if you plan to get into competitive battling than Blaziken will most likely be in Ubers and most battling has Ubers banned. The list hasn't been updated for X/Y yet so we don't know what else will be in ubers, like mega gengar might be up there since its stats are crazy+steel lost ghost resist+stab sludge bomb for fairy types, plus shadow trap is op. Losing levitate might keep it in OU though. Trick Room really hurts your Gengar/Blaziken too.
Also from what I've been reading, the meta will most likely be around Bulky attackers, since Stall type teams got really hurt and all out attackers got hurt with the weather nerfs.
Also it looks like having a Sticky Web user on your team looks like a 100% must since Speed is so important
This is what I will be using.
Timid Mega-Gengar @ gengarite
Ability: Shadow tag
252 Speed / 178 SpD / 80 HP
Destiny Bond
Perish song
Hypnosis
Substitute
Unlike Wobbuffet, Gengar has enough speed to use Destiny Bond. I don't know whether this will be good or not, but I think it will be very fun to play at the very least.
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On October 22 2013 06:58 Banchan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 04:14 Vonthin wrote:
I've been doing a lot of reading on Gengar/mega geng, you 100% need to have either sludge bomb or sludge wave(will only be able to get wave when pokebank opens since its from dw) in his movepool to kill fairy pokemon. I'm also not sure about subsitute right now too if you are gonna use mega. With mega you seem to want to be an all out attacker and sub might be a waste, also one of the main reasons you used sub was for disable/pain split, so with mega I would either use 4 offense moves or 3 and protect but thats just my opinion( might not be a great one, don't have much competitive xp, only lots of reading up).
What I am gonna run on my mega gengar is
Sludge Bomb( I think 20% more chance to poison is better than 5 more power, plus can't get wave till december)
Shadow Ball
Focus Miss
For last slot either Protect/Thunderbolt/something else i am forgetting
As XaCez said, you can only have 1 mega evo per team so having both blazikenite/gengarite is a waste. Also if you plan to get into competitive battling than Blaziken will most likely be in Ubers and most battling has Ubers banned. The list hasn't been updated for X/Y yet so we don't know what else will be in ubers, like mega gengar might be up there since its stats are crazy+steel lost ghost resist+stab sludge bomb for fairy types, plus shadow trap is op. Losing levitate might keep it in OU though. Trick Room really hurts your Gengar/Blaziken too.
Also from what I've been reading, the meta will most likely be around Bulky attackers, since Stall type teams got really hurt and all out attackers got hurt with the weather nerfs.
Also it looks like having a Sticky Web user on your team looks like a 100% must since Speed is so important This is what I will be using. Timid Mega-Gengar @ gengarite Ability: Shadow tag 252 Speed / 178 SpD / 80 HP Destiny Bond Perish song Hypnosis Substitute Unlike Wobbuffet, Gengar has enough speed to use Destiny Bond. I don't know whether this will be good or not, but I think it will be very fun to play at the very least.
a.k.a. max rage inducing gengar
Of course this will work lol.
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On October 22 2013 06:25 RuskiPanda wrote:Tentative team if anyone has advice: + Show Spoiler +
Bulky toed sets up 10 turn rain and then uses toxic/perish to force a switch (if they try to contest for weather). Maybe encore instead of perish to lock them into a bad move.
Offensive Cores Toxicroak/Dragonite take advantage of rain while Mamoswine/Starmie still provide good damage. Ferrothorn main defensive pivot with hazards and Gyro Ball for fairy coverage.
Pretty significant weakness to grass like a power whip Ferrothorn but I can switch into my cores that can deal with most grasses pretty easily (maybe run ice beam on one of my water types?)
Starmie could also be a strong sweeper with Life Orb/Analytic set but I wanted to keep it to 1 unique item rule just in case and can't really think of anything other than Life Orb on Dragonite since he's a mixed sweeper. Possibly a utility berry?
Cheers!
Politoed @ Damp Rock
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Protect
- Perish Song/Encore
- Toxic
Toxicroak @ Black Sludge
Trait: Dry Skin
EVs: 244 HP / 132 Atk / 120 Def / 12 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Bulk Up
- Drain Punch
- Substitute
- Sucker Punch
Dragonite @ Life Orb
Trait: Multiscale
EVs: 76 Atk / 252 SpA / 180 Spe
Mild Nature
-Hurricane
-Thunder
-Aqua Tail
-Earthquake/ (Roost?)
Starmie @ Left Overs
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 248 HP / 32 Def / 4 SpA / 224 Spe
Timid Nature
-Scald
-Rapid Spin
-PsyShock
-Recover
Mamoswine @ Choice Band
Trait: Thick Fat
Evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
-Icicle Crash
-Ice Shard
-Superpower
-Earthquake
Ferrothorn @Rocky Helmet/Leftovers
Trait: Iron Barbs
Evs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SpD
Relaxed Nature
-Leech Seed
-Spikes
-Gyro ball
-Protect
Only thing that I can see right away is to switch Spikes with Stealth Rock, with Defog now removing enemy hazards too, plus the normal spinners both will be used a lot since people will want to remove Sticky Web+ other damage hazards and spikes is only better than rocks imo when you can get multistacks which is unreliable especially with the increased removal of hazards, people also will want to use levitate/flyers more to avoid sticky web and they can use defog.
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I'd like to use stealth rock but there's literally no way to get it and leech seed onto it without older gens  . You think just stealth rock alone would be worth dropping seed and running something like Gyro Ball+Power Whip? (or maybe Twave). Same issue with superpower on mamo but I'll probably run Stone edge or something in the interim
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On October 22 2013 06:58 Banchan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 04:14 Vonthin wrote:
I've been doing a lot of reading on Gengar/mega geng, you 100% need to have either sludge bomb or sludge wave(will only be able to get wave when pokebank opens since its from dw) in his movepool to kill fairy pokemon. I'm also not sure about subsitute right now too if you are gonna use mega. With mega you seem to want to be an all out attacker and sub might be a waste, also one of the main reasons you used sub was for disable/pain split, so with mega I would either use 4 offense moves or 3 and protect but thats just my opinion( might not be a great one, don't have much competitive xp, only lots of reading up).
What I am gonna run on my mega gengar is
Sludge Bomb( I think 20% more chance to poison is better than 5 more power, plus can't get wave till december)
Shadow Ball
Focus Miss
For last slot either Protect/Thunderbolt/something else i am forgetting
As XaCez said, you can only have 1 mega evo per team so having both blazikenite/gengarite is a waste. Also if you plan to get into competitive battling than Blaziken will most likely be in Ubers and most battling has Ubers banned. The list hasn't been updated for X/Y yet so we don't know what else will be in ubers, like mega gengar might be up there since its stats are crazy+steel lost ghost resist+stab sludge bomb for fairy types, plus shadow trap is op. Losing levitate might keep it in OU though. Trick Room really hurts your Gengar/Blaziken too.
Also from what I've been reading, the meta will most likely be around Bulky attackers, since Stall type teams got really hurt and all out attackers got hurt with the weather nerfs.
Also it looks like having a Sticky Web user on your team looks like a 100% must since Speed is so important This is what I will be using. Timid Mega-Gengar @ gengarite Ability: Shadow tag 252 Speed / 178 SpD / 80 HP Destiny Bond Perish song Hypnosis Substitute Unlike Wobbuffet, Gengar has enough speed to use Destiny Bond. I don't know whether this will be good or not, but I think it will be very fun to play at the very least.
I can see Destiny Bond being used right before you are gonna die but I don't see a reason to use both Perish Song and Hypnosis. Hypnosis is super unreliable with a 60% accuracy+even if it does land they can just wake up and kill you, Gengar isn't that bulky with sub to withstand 2-3 hits from certain pokes. It just seems silly to not run stab shadowball/sludge bomb and 1-2 shot people with his super sp atk and speed then try to kill people while they sleep.
On October 22 2013 07:12 RuskiPanda wrote:I'd like to use stealth rock but there's literally no way to get it and leech seed onto it without older gens . You think just stealth rock alone would be worth dropping seed and running something like Gyro Ball+Power Whip? (or maybe Twave). Same issue with superpower on mamo but I'll probably run Stone edge or something in the interim
I think you can get it this gen on him, while you normally get it from the move tutor I think its still an egg move for him so you can get it that way, i could be wrong tho. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Stealth_rock
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No I mean you can definitely get stealth rock but if thats what you go with there's no other parent that can pass on Stealth Rock+Spikes/Leech Seed so it would be the only hazard you would be using.
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On October 22 2013 07:23 RuskiPanda wrote:
No I mean you can definitely get stealth rock but if thats what you go with there's no other parent that can pass on Stealth Rock+Spikes/Leech Seed so it would be the only hazard you would be using.
They changed breeding in this gen so you can get 2 egg moves I thought so you can get both Stealth Rock/Leech Seed
Also can someone help me evolve my Haunter if they have time
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On October 22 2013 07:41 Vonthin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 07:23 RuskiPanda wrote:
No I mean you can definitely get stealth rock but if thats what you go with there's no other parent that can pass on Stealth Rock+Spikes/Leech Seed so it would be the only hazard you would be using. They changed breeding in this gen so you can get 2 egg moves I thought so you can get both Stealth Rock/Leech Seed Also can someone help me evolve my Haunter if they have time
Im willing too help , im kyle in game. Im on.
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I can help evolve your Haunter!
And if you still have some spare nice Gastly with some nice IVs, I'd like to have 'em. I can trade you a random Ditto with Pokerus for one.
I think I have you added already. IGN: Opehlia
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I also have a bunch of 4 IV Timid Gastly's if Vonthin runs out. I still need to train my Gastly before it evolves though
edit: I just did the math in my head and breeding a perfect Gastly with a 4IV Gastly generates a slightly more than 1/12 change of getting a perfect. Breeding 2 perfect Gastly's generates slightly more than a 1/6 chance to get a perfect Gastly. Damn, Destiny Knot is OP.
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I can give you either a 4 IV timid gastly or a 5 IV Modest Gengar, your choice
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On October 22 2013 07:41 Vonthin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 07:23 RuskiPanda wrote:
No I mean you can definitely get stealth rock but if thats what you go with there's no other parent that can pass on Stealth Rock+Spikes/Leech Seed so it would be the only hazard you would be using. They changed breeding in this gen so you can get 2 egg moves I thought so you can get both Stealth Rock/Leech Seed Also can someone help me evolve my Haunter if they have time
Oh yeah you're right with the females being able to pass it on huh. Facepalm
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On October 22 2013 08:04 Vonthin wrote:
I can give you either a 4 IV timid gastly or a 5 IV Modest Gengar, your choice
Thanks for the 5 IV Gengar. It's even female so I can just find a male breeding partner with a Timid nature if I wanna change it's nature when I try to breed for max (should be easy as I think it's in the same egg group as my synchronizer Ralts)
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