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Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
October 21 2013 15:45 GMT
#1481
Ohem, I don't know if this is the appropriate thread for my request, but I couldn't find another one that would do the same job (maybe except Ask TL Staff Anything :p ). So I'm looking to fill the natural dex in Platinium, yes Gen 4 game. I'm focusing on non-event pokemons but sure I have nothing against it if someone has extra Arceus or two :D

I lack still a few pokemon from that. I'm focusing on non-event pokemons but sure I have nothing against it if someone has extra Arceus or two :D If there is someone who still has a completish save of Pearl, HeartGold or any game that has had FireRed insertion pokemons captured I'd be extremely delighted to find a PM in my inbox.

I posted this here because this is (naturally?) the most (only?) active Pokemon thread in TL at the moment. Please do not let me derail the thread further but PM me if you want to help me.
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
October 21 2013 16:02 GMT
#1482
On October 22 2013 00:23 rebdomine wrote:
So if I roll an all max Ditto he will say enumerate the 6 stats and say they can't be beat?

That's right.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
October 21 2013 16:27 GMT
#1483
Does anyone know if there are any other viable Sticky Web users besides the thunder spider(forgot his name think its like galvantula or something like that)
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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
October 21 2013 17:06 GMT
#1484
Holy crap breeding is easy now (with Destiny Knot). I just got a perfect Gastly in like 5 hours. Made about 1.5 boxes full of them. I'm kinda glad Nintendo is doing this though because everything was done with in game tools rather than calculators and RNG abuse. Grinding should take work but should be totally doable and this is what it feels like.
Jaedong :3
Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
October 21 2013 17:13 GMT
#1485
On October 22 2013 02:06 ReketSomething wrote:
Holy crap breeding is easy now (with Destiny Knot). I just got a perfect Gastly in like 5 hours. Made about 1.5 boxes full of them. I'm kinda glad Nintendo is doing this though because everything was done with in game tools rather than calculators and RNG abuse. Grinding should take work but should be totally doable and this is what it feels like.



Yeah its really nice, its a little time consuming, like 2-4 hours depending on your luck and your starting IV pokemon used plus trying to get egg moves and stuff. Also just realized I wanted a Timid Gengar and not Modest, not a problem to get a new one with everstone but I already ev trained and evolved him so thats time wasted :/ Anyways once I get my perfect timid ghastly I will give away this perfect modest gengar 2 someone
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Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
October 21 2013 17:51 GMT
#1486
On October 22 2013 01:27 Vonthin wrote:
Does anyone know if there are any other viable Sticky Web users besides the thunder spider(forgot his name think its like galvantula or something like that)

Far as I know, the only Pokémon that can use it are Ariados, Shuckle, and Galvantula, with the latter being by far the best. That will probably change when the Pokémon Bank is released, but until late December, you got three options.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
October 21 2013 17:56 GMT
#1487
On October 22 2013 02:51 Archas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 01:27 Vonthin wrote:
Does anyone know if there are any other viable Sticky Web users besides the thunder spider(forgot his name think its like galvantula or something like that)

Far as I know, the only Pokémon that can use it are Ariados, Shuckle, and Galvantula, with the latter being by far the best. That will probably change when the Pokémon Bank is released, but until late December, you got three options.


Do you know what pokemon that arn't available yet that can use it, cause from the looks of it every team is gonna have Galvantula on it cause sticky web so op+


Also does any1 know how people are showing up as random trainers on the PSS like the Skating gym leader and the fat dancing kid?
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Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
October 21 2013 17:57 GMT
#1488
On October 22 2013 02:56 Vonthin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 02:51 Archas wrote:
On October 22 2013 01:27 Vonthin wrote:
Does anyone know if there are any other viable Sticky Web users besides the thunder spider(forgot his name think its like galvantula or something like that)

Far as I know, the only Pokémon that can use it are Ariados, Shuckle, and Galvantula, with the latter being by far the best. That will probably change when the Pokémon Bank is released, but until late December, you got three options.


Do you know what pokemon that arn't available yet that can use it, cause from the looks of it every team is gonna have Galvantula on it cause sticky web so op+


Also does any1 know how people are showing up as random trainers on the PSS like the Skating gym leader and the fat dancing kid?

I don't think we can find out new movepools for unavailable Pokémon right now. We'll just have to wait until December.

There are several default icons you can choose to go by instead of your own character's appearance on the PSS.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
phathom321
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1730 Posts
October 21 2013 18:14 GMT
#1489
On October 21 2013 22:30 Archas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 14:28 Shotcoder wrote:
Is there a guide written somewhere about EVs and IVs? I honestly have no idea what you guys are talking about.

phanthom321 was kind enough to provide two guides for you already, but I feel like there are more people who are confused about the whole concept of those two terms, so I'll explain them in this thread as well for anyone who might want to know.

+ Show Spoiler [What are IVs?] +
You may have noticed throughout regular play that not all Pokemon are the same in terms of their stats. Indeed, there are NPCs in every game that will inform you that two Pokemon of the same species can have better or worse stats. This stat variance is the result of hidden values for each Pokemon called Individual Values.

Imagine each Pokemon's stat for a moment; HP, Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense, and Speed. Every time you encounter a Pokemon in the wild, or hatch one from an Egg, a random number is assigned to each of their stats, from 0 to 31. This number is your IV in that particular Pokemon's stat, and it determines the maximum stat gain it can possibly achieve in that stat. For instance, say I have a Pikachu with a 0 IV in its Special Attack, and my friend Bill has a Pikachu with a 31 IV in Special Attack. In this scenario, at level 100, Bill's Pikachu will have 31 extra points in Special Attack than my own Pikachu. In that sense, it will ALWAYS be better in Special Attack than my Pikachu, since IVs are set in stone and cannot ever be changed. Therefore, in a competitive environment, it is virtually required (with several notable exceptions) to have the best possible IVs you can have; in fact, when battling in a competitive environment, strategies and teams are built on the assumption that you will have perfect IVs for every Pokemon in your party, or at least very close to it.

As stated before, IVs are hidden values not normally displayed in the game for every player to see. However, upon defeating the Elite Four and the Champion, a new city can be accessed through the train station in Lumiose City. A man in the Pokemon Center of that city will "judge" your Pokemon and give a rough overview of its IVs. For a much more precise look at a given Pokemon's IVs, the use of an IV calculator is highly recommended (the most popular and accurate being MetalKid's calculator).

Note that while IVs are generated upon encountering or hatching a Pokemon and can never be changed, breeding makes it significantly easier to produce a Pokemon with good IVs, since certain breeding techniques exist that allow the IVs of each parent to be passed down to the child. This allows for the offspring to obtain good IVs quickly and with more control than simply wandering around in tall grass and hoping for the best.

Summary: IVs, or Individual Values, are values ranging from 0 to 31 that are applied to each stat of a newly encountered or hatched Pokemon. These values will determine the maximum possible stat total one can achieve for that Pokemon; a Pokemon with a Special Attack IV of 31, for example, will have 31 more Special Attack points at level 100 than that same Pokemon with a 0 IV in Special Attack. IVs cannot be changed or altered in any way, but can be passed down during breeding to make it easier to achieve a Pokemon with great IVs. While they are hidden values that are normally inaccessible to players, the use of the man in Kiloude City's Pokemon Center or an application like MetalKid's IV Calculator can give a rough or precise judgment, respectively, of a Pokemon's IVs.


+ Show Spoiler [What are EVs?] +
Effort Values are the second means of determining stat variance in Pokemon, and are slightly more complicated. You may have noticed playing through Pokemon that there is usually an NPC that tells you a trained Pokemon is more powerful than a wild Pokemon. This is true, and is due to Effort Values, or EVs.

Like IVs, EVs are allocated to particular stats; however, they are not set in stone upon encountering or hatching a Pokemon. Instead, every Pokemon starts with 0 EVs, and has a maximum capacity of 510 EVs, with up to 255 EVs maximum in a particular stat. Every 4 EVs acquired boosts that stat by one point. Therefore, EVs are capable of being changed, unlike IVs, and are in fact highly customizable. My Pikachu may have EVs invested into its Attack to hit for more damage on the physical side, while Bill's Pikachu may have invested into Special Attack to hit harder on the special side.

Now, how does one actually gain EVs? Several options are available; the most common way to gain EVs in stats is to battle other Pokemon. Every Pokemon in the game has a different "EV yield" that determines how many EVs they provide, and to which stat they will be given, when they are defeated in battle. These EV yields are almost always tied to that Pokemon's specialty in combat. For example, Alakazam is known as a formidable special attacker. When Bill uses Pikachu to defeat an Alakazam in a battle, his Pikachu will gain Special Attack EVs as a result. Selectively battling only the Pokemon that grant the EVs you desire for your own Pokemon is known as EV training, and is key to obtaining the most optimal stats.

Of course, it's not possible to keep gaining EVs forever and create a super Pokemon that has 999 in all stats. As I said before, a Pokemon can only have 510 total EVs, and each stat can only have a maximum of 255 EVs. Therefore, a very rudimentary way to EV train is to place 255 EVs in two stats that your Pokemon can make the most use of. For instance, I have a Jolteon that I want to EV train. Jolteon's two key attributes are its potent Special Attack and its high Speed. To capitalize on those advantages and optimize its strengths in battle, I may wish to EV train Jolteon to have 255 EVs in both Special Attack and Speed. That way, it can hit as hard and as fast as possible.

While acquiring EVs through battles is the most common method of EV training, there exist two other means. The first is to use vitamins. You may have collected HP Up, Protein, Carbos, and similar items during your gameplay; these items actually increase the EVs of a Pokemon by 10 in that stat. If you want to speed up EV training, it's often a good idea to use vitamins to give a substantial boost. Jolteon would make good use of Carbos, for example, since Carbos will boost a Pokemon's Speed EVs by 10 per use. Vitamins have a downside, however: they cannot be used if a Pokemon has 100 or more EVs in the stat the vitamin attempts to increase. Therefore, I may want to use ten Carbos to boost my Jolteon's Speed from 0 to 100 EVs, then manually EV train in Speed until it hits 255 (or whatever my desired Speed EV total is).

The second alternative to battling is to use the new Super Training mechanic in X and Y. Super Training is Game Freak's way of introducing how EVs work to the average Pokemon player in a casual way. I suspect, actually, that Super Training will be the default way to EV train from now on, since battling to EV train requires you to hunt down certain Pokemon for their EVs, and Super Training can be done at any time for any Pokemon. A tutorial is provided for the player upon first starting Super Training, so I won't go into specifics here, but I predict Super Training will be the easiest way to both EV train and keep track of the EVs you've gained. This second point is important to note, because before X and Y, the only way to know your Pokemon's EVs was to keep track manually, so having Super Training to give you a guide is very helpful.


Man, I feel like an idiot, I was under the impression IVs gave more than 31 of that specific stat lol >_<
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Zinnwaldite
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1567 Posts
October 21 2013 18:19 GMT
#1490
So what are Mega Blastoise's stats really like? I'm getting differing reports..
We promise with a view to hope, but the reason to "accomplish" what we promised would be fear.
Fazers
Profile Joined August 2013
736 Posts
October 21 2013 18:26 GMT
#1491
Anyone care to educate me a little bit on breeding & why I should be doing it?
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
October 21 2013 18:27 GMT
#1492
On October 22 2013 03:26 Fazers wrote:
Anyone care to educate me a little bit on breeding & why I should be doing it?


you don't need to do it unless you plan on battling competitively online or putting together a solid team for the endgame battle tower content. both require a strong team to get anywhere
I come in for the scraps
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
October 21 2013 18:30 GMT
#1493
On October 22 2013 03:27 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 03:26 Fazers wrote:
Anyone care to educate me a little bit on breeding & why I should be doing it?


you don't need to do it unless you plan on battling competitively online or putting together a solid team for the endgame battle tower content. both require a strong team to get anywhere


That or you could be planning on spewing love into Wonder Trade.

That's kinda what I wanna do.
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BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-21 18:40:45
October 21 2013 18:40 GMT
#1494
I found this pretty decent guide on breeding in pokemon X/Y.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/696959-pokemon-x/67535721

I am missing the crucial step of finding someone with ditto safari though .

I want to begin breeding a team, but i am trying to figure out the silly dittos and get good IVs on them first.
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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-21 19:02:21
October 21 2013 18:53 GMT
#1495
Hey guys, I just finished drafting my team and I was wondering on opinions/advice etc. I played some VGC '12 (won 6/9 games despite using only 4 pokemon lol) as well as some Singles online but I only ran Sandstorm teams (even in Gen IV) and so I don't have the most experience running / constructing other stuff. Due to Sandstorm not receiving any buffs (and getting a bunch of deserved nerfs) I wanted to try something different. This team is for Singles 6.

+ Show Spoiler [My Team] +
Gengar - Gengarite
- Substitute
- Shadowball
- Focus Blast
- Thunderbolt / Dark Pulse / Sludge Bomb / Energy Ball / Pain Split
Aegislash - Leftovers/???
- Sword's Dance
- King's Shield
- Sacred Sword
- Iron Head / Shadow Claw / Shadow Sneak
Dusclops - Eviolite
- Trick Room
- Will-O-Wisp
- Pain Split
- Night Shade
Blaziken - Life Orb
- Protect
- Sword's Dance
- Hi Jump Kick
- Flare Blitz
Jellicent - Leftovers/???
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover
- Scald
- Shadow Ball / Taunt
Chandelure - ??? // This moveset is also really messy
- Overheat / Fireblast
- Shadowball / Solarbeam
- Substitute
- Sunny Day


+ Show Spoiler [My Miscellaneous Thoughts] +
I don't have to breed too much since I can start with 5 IV Sugar Daddy Gengar that I've already made.

This team seems a lot more complicated to dictate pacing. Sandstorm teams dictated pacing very well so battling was fairly straight forward but with this team it seems like I need to make a bunch of intelligent switching. Its nice that the team has enough diversity to cover many options when switching around though and is not to heavily dependent on a certain Pokemon order or specific Pokemon. There is synergy but also stand-alones that work in case combos fail.

There are a few Pokemon that can be designated/respected leaders such as Dusclops, Blaziken, or Gengar (especially with Shadow Tag :D). An Aegislash lead could also work although that feels very All-In and so I will probably shy away from that. Opinions on lead would be nice!

I think Trick Room is the most badass thing in Pokemon and I have always wanted to run a team with Trick Room.

I'm a little sad that there are no true Move Tutors this Gen but I guess since no one has it it's fair. I really wanted to run Trick. Oh well.

Yes, Chandelure feels out of place.


Any advice would be helpful! Everything with a slash or ??? is undecided and feedback for that would be nice as well
Jaedong :3
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
October 21 2013 18:55 GMT
#1496
Trick Room and Blaziken is counterproductive. Also, only one Mega Evolution can be triggered in a battle, so using two Stones is wasteful.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-21 19:07:19
October 21 2013 18:58 GMT
#1497
Never knew you could only use 2 stones. Thanks! Gen VI noob here T__T

As for Blaziken / Gengar with Trick Room I was thinking that if I had all Trick Room pokemon that the team would be too reliant on setting up Trick Room. Right now I have 4 Pokemon that function well in Trick Room and 2 that excel without Trick Room. I could shift towards a Trick Room team but I would probably need 2 Trick Room setters? Its also an Eviolite Trick Room Setter which means that it only lasts for 5 turns. I could use Dusknoir and go heavier on the Trick Room. Do you have recommendations for substitutes or swaps?
Jaedong :3
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
October 21 2013 19:05 GMT
#1498
Not really because I don't know much about Trick Room strategies. What I do know is that having a Trick Room team with Reuniclus is silly.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
Drium
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States888 Posts
October 21 2013 19:06 GMT
#1499
On October 21 2013 15:33 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 15:29 Drium wrote:
On October 21 2013 15:21 Drazerk wrote:
Its a shame rain lacks a second set up like Charizard / Ninetails or Hippowdon / Ttar

No, it's really not.


Every other weather has 2 non ubers that can put it up on the field (Hail may have 3 depending on how mega abomasnow's snow warning works). Rain is the only one missing out.

And yet rain still absolutely dominated in gen 5. I'm not saying it's not true, I'm saying I'm glad it's true.
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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
October 21 2013 19:08 GMT
#1500
Water has too much type coverage and the fact that Swift Swim exists on so much crap made it ridiculous. I'm also glad that it was true.
Jaedong :3
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