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Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
May 14 2013 20:36 GMT
#201
Poor dark. I swear, Tyranitar is weak to everything. Good thing its badassness makes up for everything
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Nikoras
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States115 Posts
May 15 2013 11:37 GMT
#202
It seems like the newer the generation the less aggressive and more goofy pokemon look. I hope they break that trend.
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
May 15 2013 22:23 GMT
#203
I don't agree at all. Every generation has their fair share of goofy and awesome pokes. Compare Dragonite with Hydreigon, or Dugtrio with Excadrill. I know it's cherry-picking (Drillbur for example is such a goofball compared to Diglet!), but that's the whole point. People typically cherry-pick when comparing one gen to the next. As much as I hated Pidove and some others, I thought Gen 5 overall had pretty cool designs

Tyranitar, Salamence, Garchomp, Hydreigon. The only pattern I see is that the even number ones are super badasses (not to say Salamence and Hydreigon aren't badasses! They're just not as cool as Garchomp!), so if this pattern continues we'll get a super badass pseudo legendary in Gen 6! Even more badass than we could ever imagine.
Trucy Wright is hot
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
May 16 2013 00:08 GMT
#204
On May 15 2013 04:32 dabom88 wrote:
Here's some rumors from the guy who correctly leaked the English names of 4 new Pokemon. That gives him some credibility, but as with all unofficial info, take this with a little skepticism:

Fairy will be a new type. It is weak to Poison and Steel, immune to Dragon, super effective against Dragon, Dark, and Fighting, and Fire and Psychic-type Pokemon take half damage from it.
Sylveon is Fairy-type. Some older Pokemon will be reclassified to Fairy, such as Mawile (Steel/Fairy).
Mewtwo has two new formes, not just one. Both are activated via items.
The professor's English name is Patrice.
The Starter final evolutions are Fire/Psychic, Grass/Fighting, and Water/Dark.
The first Gym is Bug, the second is Fairy, and the fourth is Fighting.
A few attacks will be dual-typed.
There will be a new type of battling style that Flying-type Pokemon and Pokemon with Levitate can participate in.
You will be able to see a Pokemon's EVs at a certain in-game facility. You will be able to boost the EVs through mini-games. It will take about two hours to get one stat to max EVs.


I like these changes. Adding a new type will shake up the balance of the game a bit, and giving an easier way to train EVs will probably get more people to legitimately train Pokemon, rather than hacking them or using online alternatives.

On May 15 2013 20:37 Nikoras wrote:
It seems like the newer the generation the less aggressive and more goofy pokemon look. I hope they break that trend.


Yeah because every gen I Pokemon was some aggressive monster right?
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Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 07:02:06
May 16 2013 07:01 GMT
#205
On May 15 2013 20:37 Nikoras wrote:
It seems like the newer the generation the less aggressive and more goofy pokemon look. I hope they break that trend.


Where did you get such rose-tinted glasses?

On May 15 2013 04:32 dabom88 wrote:
Here's some rumors from the guy who correctly leaked the English names of 4 new Pokemon. That gives him some credibility, but as with all unofficial info, take this with a little skepticism:

Fairy will be a new type. It is weak to Poison and Steel, immune to Dragon, super effective against Dragon, Dark, and Fighting, and Fire and Psychic-type Pokemon take half damage from it.
Sylveon is Fairy-type. Some older Pokemon will be reclassified to Fairy, such as Mawile (Steel/Fairy).
Mewtwo has two new formes, not just one. Both are activated via items.
The professor's English name is Patrice.
The Starter final evolutions are Fire/Psychic, Grass/Fighting, and Water/Dark.
The first Gym is Bug, the second is Fairy, and the fourth is Fighting.
A few attacks will be dual-typed.
There will be a new type of battling style that Flying-type Pokemon and Pokemon with Levitate can participate in.
You will be able to see a Pokemon's EVs at a certain in-game facility. You will be able to boost the EVs through mini-games. It will take about two hours to get one stat to max EVs.


I don't know how I feel with Fairy being that strong, unless they ensure the fairy pokemon have low stats. And imagine a Fairy Arceus?
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
May 18 2013 17:51 GMT
#206
On May 16 2013 16:01 Dakkas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 20:37 Nikoras wrote:
It seems like the newer the generation the less aggressive and more goofy pokemon look. I hope they break that trend.


Where did you get such rose-tinted glasses?

Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 04:32 dabom88 wrote:
Here's some rumors from the guy who correctly leaked the English names of 4 new Pokemon. That gives him some credibility, but as with all unofficial info, take this with a little skepticism:

Fairy will be a new type. It is weak to Poison and Steel, immune to Dragon, super effective against Dragon, Dark, and Fighting, and Fire and Psychic-type Pokemon take half damage from it.
Sylveon is Fairy-type. Some older Pokemon will be reclassified to Fairy, such as Mawile (Steel/Fairy).
Mewtwo has two new formes, not just one. Both are activated via items.
The professor's English name is Patrice.
The Starter final evolutions are Fire/Psychic, Grass/Fighting, and Water/Dark.
The first Gym is Bug, the second is Fairy, and the fourth is Fighting.
A few attacks will be dual-typed.
There will be a new type of battling style that Flying-type Pokemon and Pokemon with Levitate can participate in.
You will be able to see a Pokemon's EVs at a certain in-game facility. You will be able to boost the EVs through mini-games. It will take about two hours to get one stat to max EVs.


I don't know how I feel with Fairy being that strong, unless they ensure the fairy pokemon have low stats. And imagine a Fairy Arceus?

lol that isnt even that strong really, thats ridiculous. being strong against 3 types is like saying fighting types should all have shitty stats because they're strong vs rock steel and normal or something
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
May 18 2013 17:58 GMT
#207
On May 15 2013 02:40 Lysteria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 23:58 Requizen wrote:
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Hi France!
Still, I'm pumped for this game, pokemon starters were pretty nice and the urban environment feels vastly superior than the usual small towns we visit.

Looks more like Portugal.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
May 18 2013 19:17 GMT
#208
On May 19 2013 02:51 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 16:01 Dakkas wrote:
On May 15 2013 20:37 Nikoras wrote:
It seems like the newer the generation the less aggressive and more goofy pokemon look. I hope they break that trend.


Where did you get such rose-tinted glasses?

On May 15 2013 04:32 dabom88 wrote:
Here's some rumors from the guy who correctly leaked the English names of 4 new Pokemon. That gives him some credibility, but as with all unofficial info, take this with a little skepticism:

Fairy will be a new type. It is weak to Poison and Steel, immune to Dragon, super effective against Dragon, Dark, and Fighting, and Fire and Psychic-type Pokemon take half damage from it.
Sylveon is Fairy-type. Some older Pokemon will be reclassified to Fairy, such as Mawile (Steel/Fairy).
Mewtwo has two new formes, not just one. Both are activated via items.
The professor's English name is Patrice.
The Starter final evolutions are Fire/Psychic, Grass/Fighting, and Water/Dark.
The first Gym is Bug, the second is Fairy, and the fourth is Fighting.
A few attacks will be dual-typed.
There will be a new type of battling style that Flying-type Pokemon and Pokemon with Levitate can participate in.
You will be able to see a Pokemon's EVs at a certain in-game facility. You will be able to boost the EVs through mini-games. It will take about two hours to get one stat to max EVs.


I don't know how I feel with Fairy being that strong, unless they ensure the fairy pokemon have low stats. And imagine a Fairy Arceus?

lol that isnt even that strong really, thats ridiculous. being strong against 3 types is like saying fighting types should all have shitty stats because they're strong vs rock steel and normal or something

Fairy may only be super effective against three types, but consider that Dark, Fighting, and Dragon are three of the most-used and powerful Pokemon in the game at the moment. Fairies have the potential to essentially have the most dangerous Pokemon on lockdown simply by virtue of being strong against all three (and being immune to one of them, no less).

Thinking about it some more, I don't necessarily mind that phenomenon. What I am concerned about is that Steel types, already some of the most used, will skyrocket in use even more. Scizor and Metagross will be FUCKING EVERYWHERE, thanks to the former's ridiculous Attack and the latter's resistance to Fairy and great defenses. My feeling is that the game will begin to revolve around Fairies, in that your average team will have a Dragon, a Fairy to counter enemy Dragons, and a Steel to counter enemy Fairies and mitigate the damage from enemy Dragons should their own Fairy fall.

As much as I think adding a new type is a good idea to make things more interesting, I feel like Fairy ought to have at least one more weakness.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 18 2013 20:11 GMT
#209
Thats pretty much the point dude, its the same reason they introduced dark type. Psychic was too strong and fighting was took weak. Now dark, fighting are a little ridic and dragon has always been strong since ice is so shitty. In comes fairy to try and balance it a little.

Also Im surprised people that play pokemon want more aggressive shit, thought thats why people played pokemon for the very laid back/friendly atmosphere. The more goofy the better in my opinion. I love snorlax and stuff like that.
I come in for the scraps
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 20:14:38
May 18 2013 20:14 GMT
#210
I understand the logic behind introducing a new type to balance the game, Vayne. My concern is that Fairy is going to work a little too well, and we'll end up switching from an overcentralized metagame in Gen V to an overcentralized metagame in Gen VI.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 18 2013 20:18 GMT
#211
On May 19 2013 05:14 Archas wrote:
I understand the logic behind introducing a new type to balance the game, Vayne. My concern is that Fairy is going to work a little too well, and we'll end up switching from an overcentralized metagame in Gen V to an overcentralized metagame in Gen VI.


anything to get rid of the stupid weather meta. Guess we will just have to see how they handle it.
I come in for the scraps
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
May 18 2013 20:20 GMT
#212
On May 19 2013 04:17 Archas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 02:51 arb wrote:
On May 16 2013 16:01 Dakkas wrote:
On May 15 2013 20:37 Nikoras wrote:
It seems like the newer the generation the less aggressive and more goofy pokemon look. I hope they break that trend.


Where did you get such rose-tinted glasses?

On May 15 2013 04:32 dabom88 wrote:
Here's some rumors from the guy who correctly leaked the English names of 4 new Pokemon. That gives him some credibility, but as with all unofficial info, take this with a little skepticism:

Fairy will be a new type. It is weak to Poison and Steel, immune to Dragon, super effective against Dragon, Dark, and Fighting, and Fire and Psychic-type Pokemon take half damage from it.
Sylveon is Fairy-type. Some older Pokemon will be reclassified to Fairy, such as Mawile (Steel/Fairy).
Mewtwo has two new formes, not just one. Both are activated via items.
The professor's English name is Patrice.
The Starter final evolutions are Fire/Psychic, Grass/Fighting, and Water/Dark.
The first Gym is Bug, the second is Fairy, and the fourth is Fighting.
A few attacks will be dual-typed.
There will be a new type of battling style that Flying-type Pokemon and Pokemon with Levitate can participate in.
You will be able to see a Pokemon's EVs at a certain in-game facility. You will be able to boost the EVs through mini-games. It will take about two hours to get one stat to max EVs.


I don't know how I feel with Fairy being that strong, unless they ensure the fairy pokemon have low stats. And imagine a Fairy Arceus?

lol that isnt even that strong really, thats ridiculous. being strong against 3 types is like saying fighting types should all have shitty stats because they're strong vs rock steel and normal or something

Fairy may only be super effective against three types, but consider that Dark, Fighting, and Dragon are three of the most-used and powerful Pokemon in the game at the moment. Fairies have the potential to essentially have the most dangerous Pokemon on lockdown simply by virtue of being strong against all three (and being immune to one of them, no less).

Thinking about it some more, I don't necessarily mind that phenomenon. What I am concerned about is that Steel types, already some of the most used, will skyrocket in use even more. Scizor and Metagross will be FUCKING EVERYWHERE, thanks to the former's ridiculous Attack and the latter's resistance to Fairy and great defenses. My feeling is that the game will begin to revolve around Fairies, in that your average team will have a Dragon, a Fairy to counter enemy Dragons, and a Steel to counter enemy Fairies and mitigate the damage from enemy Dragons should their own Fairy fall.

As much as I think adding a new type is a good idea to make things more interesting, I feel like Fairy ought to have at least one more weakness.


That isn't too much different than it is now. According to the April usage stats on Smogon, Scizor is the most widely used Pokemon (and was always top 5 in Gen IV), and it isn't even close. Metagross isn't used that much anymore (48th), but everyone and their mother has Dragonite, Lati@s, Salamence, Garchomp, etc. Your average team already has a Dragon. The best you can do now is to have a bunch of Pokemon carry Ice Beam or HP Ice. At least Fairy offers more variety to the game, if nothing else.

I hope they do something in gen VI to curb weather wars. OU lost a bit of its lustre for me in gen V.
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Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
May 18 2013 20:24 GMT
#213
On May 19 2013 05:14 Archas wrote:
I understand the logic behind introducing a new type to balance the game, Vayne. My concern is that Fairy is going to work a little too well, and we'll end up switching from an overcentralized metagame in Gen V to an overcentralized metagame in Gen VI.


That will probably always happen until Game Freak starts giving a shit about the competitive scene. Hopefully it will get better now with the 3DS, since games can actually be patched, and we don't have to wait for a completely new game for balance changes lol.
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Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 07:30:10
May 20 2013 06:53 GMT
#214
On May 19 2013 05:20 Ferrose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 04:17 Archas wrote:
On May 19 2013 02:51 arb wrote:
On May 16 2013 16:01 Dakkas wrote:
On May 15 2013 20:37 Nikoras wrote:
It seems like the newer the generation the less aggressive and more goofy pokemon look. I hope they break that trend.


Where did you get such rose-tinted glasses?

On May 15 2013 04:32 dabom88 wrote:
Here's some rumors from the guy who correctly leaked the English names of 4 new Pokemon. That gives him some credibility, but as with all unofficial info, take this with a little skepticism:

Fairy will be a new type. It is weak to Poison and Steel, immune to Dragon, super effective against Dragon, Dark, and Fighting, and Fire and Psychic-type Pokemon take half damage from it.
Sylveon is Fairy-type. Some older Pokemon will be reclassified to Fairy, such as Mawile (Steel/Fairy).
Mewtwo has two new formes, not just one. Both are activated via items.
The professor's English name is Patrice.
The Starter final evolutions are Fire/Psychic, Grass/Fighting, and Water/Dark.
The first Gym is Bug, the second is Fairy, and the fourth is Fighting.
A few attacks will be dual-typed.
There will be a new type of battling style that Flying-type Pokemon and Pokemon with Levitate can participate in.
You will be able to see a Pokemon's EVs at a certain in-game facility. You will be able to boost the EVs through mini-games. It will take about two hours to get one stat to max EVs.


I don't know how I feel with Fairy being that strong, unless they ensure the fairy pokemon have low stats. And imagine a Fairy Arceus?

lol that isnt even that strong really, thats ridiculous. being strong against 3 types is like saying fighting types should all have shitty stats because they're strong vs rock steel and normal or something

Fairy may only be super effective against three types, but consider that Dark, Fighting, and Dragon are three of the most-used and powerful Pokemon in the game at the moment. Fairies have the potential to essentially have the most dangerous Pokemon on lockdown simply by virtue of being strong against all three (and being immune to one of them, no less).

Thinking about it some more, I don't necessarily mind that phenomenon. What I am concerned about is that Steel types, already some of the most used, will skyrocket in use even more. Scizor and Metagross will be FUCKING EVERYWHERE, thanks to the former's ridiculous Attack and the latter's resistance to Fairy and great defenses. My feeling is that the game will begin to revolve around Fairies, in that your average team will have a Dragon, a Fairy to counter enemy Dragons, and a Steel to counter enemy Fairies and mitigate the damage from enemy Dragons should their own Fairy fall.

As much as I think adding a new type is a good idea to make things more interesting, I feel like Fairy ought to have at least one more weakness.


That isn't too much different than it is now. According to the April usage stats on Smogon, Scizor is the most widely used Pokemon (and was always top 5 in Gen IV), and it isn't even close. Metagross isn't used that much anymore (48th), but everyone and their mother has Dragonite, Lati@s, Salamence, Garchomp, etc. Your average team already has a Dragon. The best you can do now is to have a bunch of Pokemon carry Ice Beam or HP Ice. At least Fairy offers more variety to the game, if nothing else.

I hope they do something in gen VI to curb weather wars. OU lost a bit of its lustre for me in gen V.


I agree, I dislike Gen 5ive's hyper offensive nature. It has created arguably the biggest centralization of typing since Gen 1 and feels more mindless to me. When you have so many insanely fast pokemon with huge attacking stats, even resisted walls get hurt
On May 19 2013 02:51 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 16:01 Dakkas wrote:
On May 15 2013 20:37 Nikoras wrote:
It seems like the newer the generation the less aggressive and more goofy pokemon look. I hope they break that trend.


Where did you get such rose-tinted glasses?

On May 15 2013 04:32 dabom88 wrote:
Here's some rumors from the guy who correctly leaked the English names of 4 new Pokemon. That gives him some credibility, but as with all unofficial info, take this with a little skepticism:

Fairy will be a new type. It is weak to Poison and Steel, immune to Dragon, super effective against Dragon, Dark, and Fighting, and Fire and Psychic-type Pokemon take half damage from it.
Sylveon is Fairy-type. Some older Pokemon will be reclassified to Fairy, such as Mawile (Steel/Fairy).
Mewtwo has two new formes, not just one. Both are activated via items.
The professor's English name is Patrice.
The Starter final evolutions are Fire/Psychic, Grass/Fighting, and Water/Dark.
The first Gym is Bug, the second is Fairy, and the fourth is Fighting.
A few attacks will be dual-typed.
There will be a new type of battling style that Flying-type Pokemon and Pokemon with Levitate can participate in.
You will be able to see a Pokemon's EVs at a certain in-game facility. You will be able to boost the EVs through mini-games. It will take about two hours to get one stat to max EVs.


I don't know how I feel with Fairy being that strong, unless they ensure the fairy pokemon have low stats. And imagine a Fairy Arceus?

lol that isnt even that strong really, thats ridiculous. being strong against 3 types is like saying fighting types should all have shitty stats because they're strong vs rock steel and normal or something


Are you someone that only plays the story? Water is good against three types as well but it's an amazing type. Dragon is the best attacking type but it's only effective against itself. Can you say they're bad?

Fairy is op because it's immune to the best attacking type that has the strongest moves, weak to two uncommon attacking moves. It being super-effective to fighting is a added bonus considering how infested the current meta is with fighting pokemon
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
May 20 2013 13:28 GMT
#215
A lot of dragon types also carry fire moves, so dragons can still hit Steels for supereffective damage, so having another dragon counter would be nice.

I wouldn't mind Drizzle/Drought so much if there were more ways to combat it than constantly switching in your own weather. It's either carry a random Tyranitar or accept the fact that I have to eat 100% thunders and hydro pumps that do boosted damage all game long. I like weather, I'd just like to see more ways to fight it. Maybe more pokes with access to Cloud Nine, or some sort of new move that punishes weather

I'd also like to see a few more rapid spinners
Trucy Wright is hot
IMABUNNEH
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1062 Posts
May 20 2013 15:20 GMT
#216
So I hate you all, and reading this thread convinced me I need a 3DS >.>
"I think...now? No rival. Me world champion. Yeah. None rival." - oGsMC
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 16:08:54
May 20 2013 16:08 GMT
#217
Love you too. :3 You have plenty of time to consider, anyway. X and Y come out in October, and that's definitely enough to save up some cash for the console.

Purind, you remember how Defog would clear foggy weather in DPP? I think there ought to be a similar move that clears weather, like Rapid Spin does for entry hazards. If that theoretical move got sufficient distribution, I think weather wars would be easier to deal with. Hopefully, we can look forward to something like that in X and Y.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
IMABUNNEH
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1062 Posts
May 20 2013 16:29 GMT
#218
Nah my local store has a good deal on atm if I trade in my old DS Lite. Shame we have to wait til October, but I haven't even picked up Black/White 2 yet, so probably time to have fun with the story on that.
"I think...now? No rival. Me world champion. Yeah. None rival." - oGsMC
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 20 2013 16:56 GMT
#219
On May 15 2013 04:32 dabom88 wrote:
Here's some rumors from the guy who correctly leaked the English names of 4 new Pokemon. That gives him some credibility, but as with all unofficial info, take this with a little skepticism:

Fairy will be a new type. It is weak to Poison and Steel, immune to Dragon, super effective against Dragon, Dark, and Fighting, and Fire and Psychic-type Pokemon take half damage from it.
Sylveon is Fairy-type. Some older Pokemon will be reclassified to Fairy, such as Mawile (Steel/Fairy).
Mewtwo has two new formes, not just one. Both are activated via items.
The professor's English name is Patrice.
The Starter final evolutions are Fire/Psychic, Grass/Fighting, and Water/Dark.
The first Gym is Bug, the second is Fairy, and the fourth is Fighting.
A few attacks will be dual-typed.
There will be a new type of battling style that Flying-type Pokemon and Pokemon with Levitate can participate in.
You will be able to see a Pokemon's EVs at a certain in-game facility. You will be able to boost the EVs through mini-games. It will take about two hours to get one stat to max EVs.

HOLY SHIT THE FIRE TYPE WON'T BECOME FIRE/FIGHTING

So happy right now lmao
Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
May 21 2013 08:51 GMT
#220
I'd say fairy Arceus will be standard on every Ubers team. Assuming of course a plate is released for such a thing. That pokemon pretty much counters the entire metagame of Ubers. Especially since they gave Fairy weaknesses to the worst 2 attacking type. Do special attackers need hidden power steel now?
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