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IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1169 Posts
January 15 2013 09:02 GMT
#161
So glad I invested in a 3DS XL. The trailer shots look amazing.

More excited about this than with any Blizzard game in the last few years. This and the English version of Mystery Dungeon. Explorers of Time/Darkness/Sky had a great plot.
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Seiniyta
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium1815 Posts
January 15 2013 10:12 GMT
#162
On January 15 2013 09:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2013 08:33 zhurai wrote:
so only 3DS, or regular DS compatible?


Unfortunately 3DS exclusive, and from what I've heard, a 3DS emulator on computers is difficult to near impossible to port over, so even emulators are restricted


Emulating the games might take a while but should be possible whitin a few years. If the 3DS becomes super popular you betcha there'll be emulators. It's not a matter of difficulty but a matter of popularity.

There are (mostly for reviewing purposes) connectors which allows you to record 3DS footage. Just google 3DS capture card which should help you out. If you're serious about making pokemon X and Y, or any other 3DS game content on youtube I'd recommend that.
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xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
January 15 2013 11:05 GMT
#163
Looks like I'll have to invest £130 in a 3DS then lol.
I hope the metagame will be less focused on weather than Black and White's, 'cause that sucked.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
January 15 2013 11:49 GMT
#164
On January 15 2013 09:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2013 08:33 zhurai wrote:
so only 3DS, or regular DS compatible?


Unfortunately 3DS exclusive, and from what I've heard, a 3DS emulator on computers is difficult to near impossible to port over, so even emulators are restricted

Creating an emulator is never complicated in that sense, a 3DS uses the same hardware as any other device and they are all emulated in similar ways. Obviously, emulating the 3D effect is kind of out of the question, but it's just cosmetic anyway. What makes it hard is that
1. It takes a lot of time and effort to map everything out and test it to get full emulation.
2. Requires a lot of power (though I certainly think a modern computer should be able to play 3DS games just fine if there was a well-written emu out)
3. Games need to be decrypted. 3DS roms are encrypted so they won't play, even if you had a proper emu (which you can't even really design as long as the games are encrypted).

Dolphin already runs Wii games just fine (hell, you can even play Skyward Sword on it), there's no doubt in my mind that there will be at least one successful 3DS emulator... but yeah, expect it to take a few years.
Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
January 16 2013 22:30 GMT
#165
Good old Pokemon.

I remember seeing this episode and thinking that Ash has become the next Pokemon bonjwa because he and his level 200 Pikachu are so gosu that they can damage (and knock out) ground types with electric attacks:



Seriously though, it looked like Ash was on his way on become a Pokemon Master in that episode... of course he started sucking again and getting owned like usual as time went on.
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Bobbias
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1373 Posts
January 17 2013 11:00 GMT
#166
On January 15 2013 20:49 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2013 09:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On January 15 2013 08:33 zhurai wrote:
so only 3DS, or regular DS compatible?


Unfortunately 3DS exclusive, and from what I've heard, a 3DS emulator on computers is difficult to near impossible to port over, so even emulators are restricted

Creating an emulator is never complicated in that sense, a 3DS uses the same hardware as any other device and they are all emulated in similar ways. Obviously, emulating the 3D effect is kind of out of the question, but it's just cosmetic anyway. What makes it hard is that
1. It takes a lot of time and effort to map everything out and test it to get full emulation.
2. Requires a lot of power (though I certainly think a modern computer should be able to play 3DS games just fine if there was a well-written emu out)
3. Games need to be decrypted. 3DS roms are encrypted so they won't play, even if you had a proper emu (which you can't even really design as long as the games are encrypted).

Dolphin already runs Wii games just fine (hell, you can even play Skyward Sword on it), there's no doubt in my mind that there will be at least one successful 3DS emulator... but yeah, expect it to take a few years.


True emulation takes a beastly computer to manage actually.... There must be a TON of speed tricks used in dolphin... Not saying that an emulator that can play commercial games is that far away, but just wanted to point out that actually properly emulating a system takes far more computing power than you'd expect. Just look at bsnes; it's the only truly accurate snes emulator and it takes a decent modern computer to run at full speed. It doesn't even run at full speed on this laptop.
moshyesim
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany31 Posts
February 19 2013 11:49 GMT
#167
I only played red/blue, did pokemon change a lot? Is there a lot to do in the world? Or is it still just collecting/catching pokemons and fights?
Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
February 19 2013 12:26 GMT
#168
Well if you only played red and blue then the amount of changes to the core gameplay should be enough for you. I mean it's still very much the same but because there are often at least some slight improvements from on edition to the next there's quite a jump going from edition 1 to... i dunno, 10 or so.

That said, the Pokemon battles in a normal single player walkthrough don't really require any skill at all and it's far from a challenging experience in pretty much every Pokemon edition, will this change in X/Y? Most likely not. I recommend the mods Sacred Gold and Blaze Black 2 if you actually want to be tasked.

Also the story is still in general garbage and targeted at kindergarten kids. Pacing too is problematic as random encounters and trainer encounters are very common and both take too long to load, display text and the battle animations take a while. Even when I was playing the mods I mentioned above with roughly 2 times the speed I still used Repel nonstop after some time just because of how bad this is.

The competitive aspect, which is one of the few really positive things about Pokemon, is in general much better now. There are often lots of options to play against AI and see how far you get and/or online play vs other people.
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MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-19 18:45:19
February 19 2013 18:43 GMT
#169
They finally managed to achieve the level of animations they already achieved 15 years ago on the N64 with Pokemon colosseum except on a handheld. Wooooo

I don't have the attention span to grind Pokemon like I did when I was a kid. The older games on emulators are still fun because I can press spacebar for 1000x speed, but this will have such dramatic animations that grinding will take even longer
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
February 19 2013 19:04 GMT
#170
On February 19 2013 21:26 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
Well if you only played red and blue then the amount of changes to the core gameplay should be enough for you. I mean it's still very much the same but because there are often at least some slight improvements from on edition to the next there's quite a jump going from edition 1 to... i dunno, 10 or so.

That said, the Pokemon battles in a normal single player walkthrough don't really require any skill at all and it's far from a challenging experience in pretty much every Pokemon edition, will this change in X/Y? Most likely not. I recommend the mods Sacred Gold and Blaze Black 2 if you actually want to be tasked.

Also the story is still in general garbage and targeted at kindergarten kids. Pacing too is problematic as random encounters and trainer encounters are very common and both take too long to load, display text and the battle animations take a while. Even when I was playing the mods I mentioned above with roughly 2 times the speed I still used Repel nonstop after some time just because of how bad this is.

The competitive aspect, which is one of the few really positive things about Pokemon, is in general much better now. There are often lots of options to play against AI and see how far you get and/or online play vs other people.

The frequency you run into shit in the grass in B/W really turned me off from the game tbh.
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Seiniyta
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium1815 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-31 08:14:45
March 31 2013 08:11 GMT
#171
Next Saturday we should get new info regarding the game.

Japanese variety show, Pokémon Smash has just aired and has shown that there will be a new Pokémon revealed during the episode next week. It's not currently known what the contents of this will be, but the trailer showcases a clip from X & Y with a Pokémon blanked out, confirmed to be a new Pokémon. The trailer also showcased Junichi Masuda showcasing something. This was stated to be a world exclusive! We'll provide coverage as and when this comes

Edit: The official site has also posted confirming the localisation of this news will be revealed at the same time worldwide


Source: twitter.com/pokemon
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kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
March 31 2013 08:36 GMT
#172
I spoiled myself by playing every game on an emulator, so I'm used to 2x speed, so games on the handheld seem boring, tedious and frustrating. Even on highest text-settings the text takes half as much time to read as it does to appear and the animations take forever, like in Final Fantasy 10.

I assume you couldn't play Black / White 2 on an emulator due to hardware restrictions?
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Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
March 31 2013 08:38 GMT
#173
On January 17 2013 20:00 Bobbias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2013 20:49 Tobberoth wrote:
On January 15 2013 09:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On January 15 2013 08:33 zhurai wrote:
so only 3DS, or regular DS compatible?


Unfortunately 3DS exclusive, and from what I've heard, a 3DS emulator on computers is difficult to near impossible to port over, so even emulators are restricted

Creating an emulator is never complicated in that sense, a 3DS uses the same hardware as any other device and they are all emulated in similar ways. Obviously, emulating the 3D effect is kind of out of the question, but it's just cosmetic anyway. What makes it hard is that
1. It takes a lot of time and effort to map everything out and test it to get full emulation.
2. Requires a lot of power (though I certainly think a modern computer should be able to play 3DS games just fine if there was a well-written emu out)
3. Games need to be decrypted. 3DS roms are encrypted so they won't play, even if you had a proper emu (which you can't even really design as long as the games are encrypted).

Dolphin already runs Wii games just fine (hell, you can even play Skyward Sword on it), there's no doubt in my mind that there will be at least one successful 3DS emulator... but yeah, expect it to take a few years.


True emulation takes a beastly computer to manage actually.... There must be a TON of speed tricks used in dolphin... Not saying that an emulator that can play commercial games is that far away, but just wanted to point out that actually properly emulating a system takes far more computing power than you'd expect. Just look at bsnes; it's the only truly accurate snes emulator and it takes a decent modern computer to run at full speed. It doesn't even run at full speed on this laptop.


The only reason it takes so much power to run is because emulators are made by enthusiasts and small "basement" teams, they are heavily unoptimised and actually terrible-terrible programs coding wise.

A properly coded emulator would not take 20x the power of the machine its emulating. (E.g the Wii with SNES/NES/N64 games, you dont see it struggling, you see performance boosts and the Wii sitting around at iced temperatures.)

So your right and wrong, emulators are illegal so you'll never see a superbly-coded one apart from resales on older machines like the PS3, Wii, 360 has on its stores.

Thats the only reason they take so much power >.>

POKEMANZ AWESOME! <3 was just playing pokemmo and saw this xD
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Seiniyta
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium1815 Posts
March 31 2013 08:41 GMT
#174
Although perhaps entirely not on topic, for whoever that read Pokemon Adventures. Wouldn't it be cool if the ingame story of a pokemon game could be that entertaining?
Pokemon Master
kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
March 31 2013 08:48 GMT
#175
On March 31 2013 17:38 Capped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 20:00 Bobbias wrote:
On January 15 2013 20:49 Tobberoth wrote:
On January 15 2013 09:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On January 15 2013 08:33 zhurai wrote:
so only 3DS, or regular DS compatible?


Unfortunately 3DS exclusive, and from what I've heard, a 3DS emulator on computers is difficult to near impossible to port over, so even emulators are restricted

Creating an emulator is never complicated in that sense, a 3DS uses the same hardware as any other device and they are all emulated in similar ways. Obviously, emulating the 3D effect is kind of out of the question, but it's just cosmetic anyway. What makes it hard is that
1. It takes a lot of time and effort to map everything out and test it to get full emulation.
2. Requires a lot of power (though I certainly think a modern computer should be able to play 3DS games just fine if there was a well-written emu out)
3. Games need to be decrypted. 3DS roms are encrypted so they won't play, even if you had a proper emu (which you can't even really design as long as the games are encrypted).

Dolphin already runs Wii games just fine (hell, you can even play Skyward Sword on it), there's no doubt in my mind that there will be at least one successful 3DS emulator... but yeah, expect it to take a few years.


True emulation takes a beastly computer to manage actually.... There must be a TON of speed tricks used in dolphin... Not saying that an emulator that can play commercial games is that far away, but just wanted to point out that actually properly emulating a system takes far more computing power than you'd expect. Just look at bsnes; it's the only truly accurate snes emulator and it takes a decent modern computer to run at full speed. It doesn't even run at full speed on this laptop.


The only reason it takes so much power to run is because emulators are made by enthusiasts and small "basement" teams, they are heavily unoptimised and actually terrible-terrible programs coding wise.

A properly coded emulator would not take 20x the power of the machine its emulating. (E.g the Wii with SNES/NES/N64 games, you dont see it struggling, you see performance boosts and the Wii sitting around at iced temperatures.)

So your right and wrong, emulators are illegal so you'll never see a superbly-coded one apart from resales on older machines like the PS3, Wii, 360 has on its stores.

Thats the only reason they take so much power >.>

POKEMANZ AWESOME! <3 was just playing pokemmo and saw this xD


Wouldn't it be the pinnacle of awesome if Nintendo's next console would allow you to play any legacy game, from both handheld and consoles?
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Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
March 31 2013 11:32 GMT
#176
On March 31 2013 17:36 kafkaesque wrote:
I spoiled myself by playing every game on an emulator, so I'm used to 2x speed, so games on the handheld seem boring, tedious and frustrating. Even on highest text-settings the text takes half as much time to read as it does to appear and the animations take forever, like in Final Fantasy 10.

I assume you couldn't play Black / White 2 on an emulator due to hardware restrictions?


You can turn battle animations off in the options menu. Just blew everyone's mind.
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12001 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-31 11:42:23
March 31 2013 11:41 GMT
#177
On March 31 2013 17:36 kafkaesque wrote:
I spoiled myself by playing every game on an emulator, so I'm used to 2x speed, so games on the handheld seem boring, tedious and frustrating. Even on highest text-settings the text takes half as much time to read as it does to appear and the animations take forever, like in Final Fantasy 10.

I assume you couldn't play Black / White 2 on an emulator due to hardware restrictions?


There is a working 3DS emulator. Not sure how fast you can run the game on it though.

Emulators are illegal or at best grey areas though. Make sure you own the console and the game if you want to use one.
Seiniyta
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium1815 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-03 07:12:21
April 03 2013 07:00 GMT
#178
This is uncomfirmed being a real thing so keep this is in mind. Although this is from a movie from the anime it does show a new forme for Mewtwo.

More and more it does seem the games will revolve about genetics/dna. So I also expect Pokemon like Deoxys to take part. Just think about it. The pokemon, starters aside revealed so far is an eeveelution who's DNA is unstable to begin with. And the Legendaries seem to be related with that as well. Should be interesting.

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Seiniyta
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium1815 Posts
April 06 2013 23:21 GMT
#179
Just announced:

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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
April 06 2013 23:42 GMT
#180
I mean, Mewthree doesn't exactly look terrible, but just uninspired. Resembles another DBZ character, and the name is a bit ridiculous.
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