EPTI doesn't even matter if the game is good or bad, the shady developers are a reason why no one should play it.
The War-Z: MMO Zombie Survival - Page 29
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Dirkinity
Germany409 Posts
I doesn't even matter if the game is good or bad, the shady developers are a reason why no one should play it. | ||
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WilDMousE
Chile1335 Posts
On December 22 2012 02:34 Skilledblob wrote: then what are you doing here, in a thread for people that have the game? You might as well post on youtube, I think that audience is more suited to what you are able to write. Threads are not made to praise a game like a blind prayer sir, if you don't like it please stop your QQ'ing. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
TL is hardly innocent of this and as a result, the rabid defenders will engage in ad hominem against me rather than accept the truth that the company and the game are both incredibly shitty. This is fine, because their opinion doesn't make any difference to anyone. They can shout and scream all they wish but thankfully they have no platform and no influence. Good job too, otherwise the games industry would be in a worse state than it already is. If you defend shitty business practices and lying developers you are an awful human-being. You are actively willing to go out of your way to fuck over fellow gamers solely because of some heady cocktail of buyers remorse, confirmation bias and being irredeemably stupid. If you do that, you deserve no pity and should be ostracized by the PC gaming scene at large. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/PWQ4P.jpg) | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
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WilDMousE
Chile1335 Posts
On December 22 2012 04:05 TotalBiscuit wrote: So much crazy conspiracy shit in this thread, but honestly I wouldn't expect anything more from modern gamers. Some of them have been conditioned to rabidly defend even the most anti-consumer practices. When a game company lies to you, they defend it. When a game company rips off another game wholesale, they defend it. When a game company denies you refunds, they defend it. When a game company goes in-game, calls everyone on the server faggots and cheats to help their friends, they defend it. TL is hardly innocent of this and as a result, the rabid defenders will engage in ad hominem against me rather than accept the truth that the company and the game are both incredibly shitty. This is fine, because their opinion doesn't make any difference to anyone. They can shout and scream all they wish but thankfully they have no platform and no influence. Good job too, otherwise the games industry would be in a worse state than it already is. If you defend shitty business practices and lying developers you are an awful human-being. You are actively willing to go out of your way to fuck over fellow gamers solely because of some heady cocktail of buyers remorse, confirmation bias and being irredeemably stupid. If you do that, you deserve no pity and should be ostracized by the PC gaming scene at large. It's interesting how much Ad-Hominem arguments are made on most forums if not all internet (TL - Steam community forum the day everything broke up and mmo-champion), the "ah TB bashed the game due to his lack of mechanics" is just plain stupid, the points you were making weren't even about the gameplay itself (or how boring/bland the genre is), the arguments presented were about facts, about shady facts that people got into the fallacy of claiming bs due some guy (in this case you) "lack of game knowledge". Internet is the place where fallacies and argumentation falls appart. Derp wanted to quote you and you just uploaded a pic and messed up mah post! You corrupted biscuit! PS: The pic where you are running from the backpack would've been better if there was a little cliff around and a nice river with "reflections" On December 22 2012 04:10 Medrea wrote: Bro team pill reviewed the game. Wtf was that. | ||
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Jetaap
France4814 Posts
On December 22 2012 04:13 WilDMousE wrote: It's interesting how much Ad-Hominem arguments are made on most forums if not all internet (TL - Steam community forum the day everything broke up and mmo-champion), the "ah TB bashed the game due to his lack of mechanics" is just plain stupid, the points you were making weren't even about the gameplay itself (or how boring/bland the genre is), the arguments presented were about facts, about shady facts that people got into the fallacy of claiming bs due some guy (in this case you) "lack of game knowledge". Internet is the place where fallacies and argumentation falls appart. Derp wanted to quote you and you just uploaded a pic and messed up mah post! You corrupted biscuit! The thing is, most people have understood since a long time that this game is a fraud, and therefore are not interested in the conversation around it. Then there is a small core of vocal people who are going to be very active, either criticizing and defending the game. For myself, I just ignore all of this, warZ being shitty is not a surprise after all. | ||
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WilDMousE
Chile1335 Posts
On December 22 2012 04:16 Jetaap wrote: The thing is, most people have understood since a long time that this game is a fraud, and therefore are not interested in the conversation around it. Then there is a small core of vocal people who are going to be very active, either criticizing and defending the game. For myself, I just ignore all of this, warZ being shitty is not a surprise after all. Actually I never cared for the "survivor mmo" genre, the WarZ game brought a lot of my ex-guildies from other MMO's to getting into the "oh zombie" bandwagon, they started playing DayZ and then boom! WarZ came up, never said a thing, but after seeing what they got into I was just pissed, they got robbed (if you could say that)... but yeah, it will end up in a mindless crusade between: A) Ardent defenders who will keep saying "well I still enjoy the game" (and there's no doubt about it, you can enjoy it but don't deny that's a scam and deal with it) or will instantly will go with Ad-Hominem falacies. B) Trolls who just pop up and scream out loud for either side. (come on we all know there are a lot of on the internet). C) Pissed people who watch from the outside and have opinions that express in different ways, some express themselves way more angry, some express themselves in discussions. This may be the first game to actually show the reality of games of today and the lack of regulation around them, and up to a certain point the community interaction between themselves and towards game publishers. (I hope everything I wrote made sense, english is not my native language and some stuff may sound a bit weird or contradicting). | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
The review? Sorry if youve never seen a review before geez. | ||
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andyrau
13015 Posts
Most people have not played the game and parrot the criticism that tb/reddit has; whereas some people have bought the game, played it, and acknowledge that the game is far from what they expect. above all, however, the game is quite fun. There are literally 0 zombie elements and a complete absence of survival aspects, so the game slowly devolved into a slow scavenging death match of sorts, and it's actually really entertaining. I think I've sunk enough time and derived enough enjoyment through the crazy firefights I've had with friends to justify a 20 dollar investment into the game. A couple complaints, from my experienced perspective: I remember when I first started the alpha, there were fixed weapon spawns and a bunch of other random bullshit that should have been fixed from the beginning. The community is also fucking asinine with the whole 'it's a(n) alpha/beta' mantra. The complete lack of an anti cheat system is also absolutely ridiculous. A couple things I want to clear up because people have been spewing misinformed garbage: this game was definitely not in production two years before alpha release. That was the war Inc engine this game utilizes. yes, we realize the models in war z are exactly as the ones in the original game. 'wait wot???? The models in natural selection mimic the ones from HL???' the devs utilized this loophole to say it was in development far longer than Dayz. it's a marketing truth based on a lie. also, we get it. The devs are shadyass dudes who have poor records in the past, but this is a thread for the game, and not for Hammerpoint Interactive. The amount of bitching over the devs rather than actual discussion of the game itself is retarded. However daft and utterly incompetent the devs may be at PR, and they seem to care about the community. Complaints are generally addressed, and changes have been reverted if there's too much negativity. They also plan events with notable streamers which is cute, but honestly I'd rather them take the time to address the cheating situation. Some words of general advice: If you play this game by yourself, get some friends or find someone in the game with vent/ts/rc/Skype. otherwise, the learning curve, which is actually pretty steep, is going to frustrate you. The skillcap is pretty low compared to how hard it is to pick the game up. Expect to kill everyone on sight. If you get used to this, the game's much more enjoyable. even a person who seems to have nothing may pull out a holstered pistol and shoot you in the back. At least, keep this mentality until the incompetent devs finally manage to come up with a way to punish bandits. There are no 'pve' elements in the game. skill trees aren't implemented yet. If you can't handle pvp, then l4d is probably a better 'zombie' game for you. pls stop being sheep. | ||
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3Form
United Kingdom389 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
So when War Z came out, its basically the ultimate example of whats wrong with the industry in general. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On December 22 2012 04:52 3Form wrote: And, typical as of late, the moment you dare to criticise or disagree with someone on the internet you are branded a "hater". Whatever happened to discourse. Naturally. | ||
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TritaN
United States406 Posts
On December 22 2012 04:05 TotalBiscuit wrote: + Show Spoiler + So much crazy conspiracy shit in this thread, but honestly I wouldn't expect anything more from modern gamers. Some of them have been conditioned to rabidly defend even the most anti-consumer practices. When a game company lies to you, they defend it. When a game company rips off another game wholesale, they defend it. When a game company denies you refunds, they defend it. When a game company goes in-game, calls everyone on the server faggots and cheats to help their friends, they defend it. TL is hardly innocent of this and as a result, the rabid defenders will engage in ad hominem against me rather than accept the truth that the company and the game are both incredibly shitty. This is fine, because their opinion doesn't make any difference to anyone. They can shout and scream all they wish but thankfully they have no platform and no influence. Good job too, otherwise the games industry would be in a worse state than it already is. If you defend shitty business practices and lying developers you are an awful human-being. You are actively willing to go out of your way to fuck over fellow gamers solely because of some heady cocktail of buyers remorse, confirmation bias and being irredeemably stupid. If you do that, you deserve no pity and should be ostracized by the PC gaming scene at large. These are a minority of people, honestly. Valve has heard our concerns and promptly acted on them. By the time The War Z is even remotely capable of recovering (if that is even possible), Rocket will have released DayZ and this whole fiasco will be a less-than-pleasant reminder in the history books to any new developers who wish to engage in underhanded, anti-gamer practices. It will not be tolerated. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On December 22 2012 06:06 TritaN wrote: These are a minority of people, honestly. Valve has heard our concerns and promptly acted on them. By the time The War Z is even remotely capable of recovering (if that is even possible), Rocket will have released DayZ and this whole fiasco will be a less-than-pleasant reminder in the history books to any companies who wish to engage in underhanded, anti-gamer practices. It will not be tolerated. Quite. The vocal minority is as ineffectual as ever. This whole thing should be viewed as a major victory quite frankly. Not only were Valve pressed into taking some responsibility for the products on their store but a dishonest developer was denied their revenue stream. Good news across the board. | ||
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Klowney
Sweden277 Posts
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Hittegods
Stockholm4640 Posts
On December 22 2012 06:29 Klowney wrote: I don't understand how a game that's based on surviving ends up having a cash shop that sells things like weapons or food and the people playing it doesn't seem to mind. They're having "fun" | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On December 22 2012 06:11 TotalBiscuit wrote: Quite. The vocal minority is as ineffectual as ever. This whole thing should be viewed as a major victory quite frankly. Not only were Valve pressed into taking some responsibility for the products on their store but a dishonest developer was denied their revenue stream. Good news across the board. You keep touting your victory bud. Meanwhile there's more than 100,000 people playing every day. If you actually cared about anything except views you would have gone at it like andyrau did. Like I said earlier, you're an Enquirer of the gaming world. On December 22 2012 06:06 TritaN wrote: These are a minority of people, honestly. Valve has heard our concerns and promptly acted on them. By the time The War Z is even remotely capable of recovering (if that is even possible), Rocket will have released DayZ and this whole fiasco will be a less-than-pleasant reminder in the history books to any new developers who wish to engage in underhanded, anti-gamer practices. It will not be tolerated. Another out of touch soul who thinks valve is something other than a business. And look how seriously you take yourself rofl. I don't think there's a group of people more self-righteous than gamers. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
People with opinions other than your own? Shocking. | ||
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Hittegods
Stockholm4640 Posts
On December 22 2012 06:40 Risen wrote: People with opinions other than your own? Shocking. I bought the game, I played the game. It's worse than Day Z in every aspect than maybe the loot system. It's an obvious cash grab. I'm sure some people could have fun with a broken glass advertised as an jigsaw puzzle, but it doesn't mean it should be recommended to others. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
These are recognized as opinions. Everyone has them. It's a bummer you didn't like the game, not everyone is limited to what you like or dislike. I would recommend warz at 14 bucks over dayz atm if dayz costs anything more than 25. Once standalone comes out I'll play that and reevaluate. | ||
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