As if overnight, a new MMO Zombie Survival game has arrived to rival Day Z. This is good news as it means another sandbox zombie infested world for us gamers to sink our teeth into! Apparently it has been indevelopment long before Day Z (although there is no hard proof of this fact) and is built from the ground up using a pretty solid engine. it's B2P with a one time payment, sustained by a cosmetic/conveniance cash shop (no comeptitive advantage).
Interesting features worth mentioning are as follows:
It uses the same sort of persistant server technology as Day Z, with official servers housing upto 250 players.
Full loot - you die, you drop everything
Sandbox with player/clan "strongholds" which you can build and maintain
Player generated missions
Bounty / Reputation system - Bandits can have gold on their head etc.
Multiple game maps planned for the future
Softcore. Death locks you out of that character for 24-48hours
Hardcore. Permadeath
The alpha starts 15th October, and the beta is going live at the end of the month.
Check out some of these gameplay vids to increase your hype meter!
So what do you guys think? Is it just a cheap Day Z clone or does it look like something you can see yourself playing. Personally I've purchased the preorder and look forward to the Alpha and Beta test. I'll probably still get the Day Z standalone client, but so far this looks to me like it may play a little more fluid and generally more fun. Time will tell!
Yes, alpha starts tomorrow afternoon (PST). Anyone who prepurchases Pioneer or Legend packs gets Alpha access (aswell as other goodies). Check out their homepage
On October 16 2012 02:16 BliptiX wrote: That co-op pvp video was pretty bad. The guns feel too arcadey and next to no zombies were alerted from those sniper shots.
Doesn't seem bad, but I don't like the fact that it looks so much like dayZ, I mean, if it was in development before, how do so many UI elements, weapons, items etc are just like ArmA ones? I'll wait to see how the DayZ standalone goes before chosing between it and dayZ :<
On October 16 2012 02:41 Nimix wrote: Doesn't seem bad, but I don't like the fact that it looks so much like dayZ, I mean, if it was in development before, how do so many UI elements, weapons, items etc are just like ArmA ones?
What exactly do you mean? Weapons all look similar, doesnt matter if CoD/Day Z/War Z ... The UI to me looks different, except the top right thing maybe. Item wise ... yeah that Pasta Can looks just like Day Z. But the Inventory in general looks completely different (I liked the Day Z one more)
On October 16 2012 02:16 BliptiX wrote: That co-op pvp video was pretty bad. The guns feel too arcadey and next to no zombies were alerted from those sniper shots.
zombies aren't that smart to begin with.
shooting an extremely loud sniper rifle should have some repercussions imo
and wasting sniper bullets on a zombie should be a bad idea, but it seems like ammo is going to be freely available
it looked cool at the start of the video. then it became more arcade-like. then it showed how few zombies there are. then it showed how easy guns are to find and restock.
so much EZ mode. 3/10. could be 9/10 if they weren't afraid to twist people's balls.
On October 16 2012 06:43 TheDraken wrote: it looked cool at the start of the video. then it became more arcade-like. then it showed how few zombies there are. then it showed how easy guns are to find and restock.
so much EZ mode. 3/10. could be 9/10 if they weren't afraid to twist people's balls.
They say guns and ammo and gun attachments especially will be really hard to find.
On October 16 2012 06:27 Renent wrote: Hrmm, I really need to see some streamed gameplay etc before I try this.
Streaming the Alpha is against NDA.
this bothers me to no end. There is zero info about the game and zero videos of gameplay except for that terrible night one. Yet they want people to shell out money for it. fk them they wont be getting a cent from me until it is out.
On October 16 2012 06:27 Renent wrote: Hrmm, I really need to see some streamed gameplay etc before I try this.
Streaming the Alpha is against NDA.
this bothers me to no end. There is zero info about the game and zero videos of gameplay except for that terrible night one. Yet they want people to shell out money for it. fk them they wont be getting a cent from me until it is out.
Since when have people given a single fuck about NDA? I'm sure there will be streams out there. it's just how do we find them.
Paid the 20 bucks for the alpha access, within first 5 seconds I was forced to club a man to death with my flashlight. I think most spawns are a noob slug fest....
Was getting random crashes to desktop, updated graphics drivers and now just cant connect to any servers. I think that's just due to the current traffic.
Also people are streaming Warz but most haven't gotten past set up.
update: Getting "Server Patching" now unable to log on.
I am also having the problem with crashing constantly however I have noticed (maybe its a fluke) that when I have my graphics on low it reduces the frequency of the problem but far from solves it. The game itself is fairly fun, zombies are alerted in a fairly large area of your actions such as melee and are actually difficult to take on on larger numbers but fairly easy if you find one. Hopefully the crashing issues get fixed soon so I can play properly.
Its crashed about 20 times on me so far, but in 5 mins of gameplay the controls feel funny. Everything seems really slow paced compared to DayZ. I did beat a dude to death with a flashlight though.
This is why people should read up on products before they buy them.
Seriously, over at the DayZ Forums, they've been pointing out that original "in-game" pics were...not, the EULA was directly ripped from the League of Legends EULA (they didn't even bother to remove the League of Legends links in the EULA itself), etc.
DayZ Forums are heavily biased, but the evidence presented was compelling.
So far its not bad, i dont get all the negative hype really, It has potential. the engine looks to be promising, and the initial gameplay is not bad minus alpha bugs. I have hope.
On October 16 2012 13:43 acker wrote: This is why people should read up on products before they buy them.
Seriously, over at the DayZ Forums, they've been pointing out that original "in-game" pics were...not, the EULA was directly ripped from the League of Legends EULA (they didn't even bother to remove the League of Legends links in the EULA itself), etc.
DayZ Forums are heavily biased, but the evidence presented was compelling.
While I do agree that currently the game feels rushed with the server issues and I have high doubts they "planned" this game before Day Z came out, I have been having fun in the game and once they iron out more of their server issues and people get off the flash light melee fest I think it will be good for a $20 game.
I had really high hopes for this... I really just wanted something to hold me over until the standalone DayZ, but I'm not willing to just throw money on a fire lol
Game is legit as in it actually exists. So the DayZ fanboys find anyway to discredit the game no matter what since it actually threatens DayZ's territory. The game is fine; it has had issues with crashing due to player spawning methods, but the game seems decent.
Zombies are a legitimate threat, will outrun you eventually, and can pretty much two shot your ass if you aren't smart. Also, killing them with a melee weapon for newer players that don't actually read forums is basically impossible, since the Zombie head hitbox is way higher than you really think it is.
That being said, there are legitimate concerns regarding the game, one being a few sound issues, animation issues, etc. etc. The game is supposed to be slated for release (as in beta) pretty soon, and yet it's still nowhere near where it needs to be.
Didn't they only announce this game at some point in the summer? And they're already selling an alpha. It's always seemed like a total scam to me, I'm just shocked they didn't go on kickstarter to pocket even more money
On October 17 2012 03:57 Shootemup. wrote: That nightime pvp video was pretty awful, very few zombies, and the ones that were there were animated very poorly, and loot looks really common.
I agree. Doesn't look like I will be trying this unless some drastic changes are made
On October 16 2012 06:05 Zorkmid wrote: Any of the old DayZ guard going to give this game a whirl?
I'm about 53.7%.
same, it looks so similar to dayZ already i dunno if I want to play DayZ 2.0 or 1.5 whatever. I also don't like how despite that sniper shot being RIDICULOUSLY loud, it didn't attract more zombies.
lmao some people bought game and received 10-30 keys and this is their stance: "today bunch of people paid just once, but received between 10 to 30 keys . We thought carefully about it and here's what we've decided - this is OUR fuckup, and your gain. Enjoy your keys, plus I just ask you - don't sell them - just give them away - easy come, easy go. "
so ppl get game for free when many people payed full price and still getting invalid/password bug
I wasn't going to get this because of reading the thread with people from DayZ here bashing on this game hardcore making it sound terrible but than my friend convinced me to try it. Believe me I am glad my friend convinced me to not listen to you guys and try it. I have had a lot of fun and really enjoyed this game.
Weapons and items in general are EXTREMELY rare the survival aspect alone is a lot harder than DayZ, zombies are a lot more of a threat and weapons/ammunition are way rarer. The fact that there is something to do endgame also makes it a lot more appealing to me than DayZ. I spent 3-4 months playing DayZ and loving the game a lot but imo WarZ is just flat out better and it seems like the majority of you are just bashing on WarZ for no real reason because it is in "alpha". The game is far from finished and they have been very responsive and improving the game but so far from what I have seen with the art sounds and the general direction the game is being developed into is shaping up to be a great game even though it is still in "alpha".
You guys really need to take a step back stop bashing this game and wait until it gets further into development(out of alpha) before you judge it.
On October 17 2012 10:11 Kamikiri wrote: I wasn't going to get this because of reading the thread with people from DayZ here bashing on this game hardcore making it sound terrible but than my friend convinced me to try it. Believe me I am glad my friend convinced me to not listen to you guys and try it. I have had a lot of fun and really enjoyed this game.
Weapons and items in general are EXTREMELY rare the survival aspect alone is a lot harder than DayZ, zombies are a lot more of a threat and weapons/ammunition are way rarer. The fact that there is something to do endgame also makes it a lot more appealing to me than DayZ. I spent 3-4 months playing DayZ and loving the game a lot but imo WarZ is just flat out better and it seems like the majority of you are just bashing on WarZ for no real reason because it is in "alpha". The game is far from finished and they have been very responsive and improving the game but so far from what I have seen with the art sounds and the general direction the game is being developed into is shaping up to be a great game even though it is still in "alpha".
You guys really need to take a step back stop bashing this game and wait until it gets further into development(out of alpha) before you judge it.
I don't bash it because its alpha, I bash it because the studio is money hungry and on principal I don't want to see them succeed. They were so lazy/greedy they stole leauge of legends tos + Show Spoiler +
On October 17 2012 10:11 Kamikiri wrote: I wasn't going to get this because of reading the thread with people from DayZ here bashing on this game hardcore making it sound terrible but than my friend convinced me to try it. Believe me I am glad my friend convinced me to not listen to you guys and try it. I have had a lot of fun and really enjoyed this game.
Weapons and items in general are EXTREMELY rare the survival aspect alone is a lot harder than DayZ, zombies are a lot more of a threat and weapons/ammunition are way rarer. The fact that there is something to do endgame also makes it a lot more appealing to me than DayZ. I spent 3-4 months playing DayZ and loving the game a lot but imo WarZ is just flat out better and it seems like the majority of you are just bashing on WarZ for no real reason because it is in "alpha". The game is far from finished and they have been very responsive and improving the game but so far from what I have seen with the art sounds and the general direction the game is being developed into is shaping up to be a great game even though it is still in "alpha".
You guys really need to take a step back stop bashing this game and wait until it gets further into development(out of alpha) before you judge it.
I don't bash it because its alpha, I bash it because the studio is money hungry and on principal I don't want to see them succeed.
Well, no one can prove that the game was started after DayZ became popular. They claimed that the game has been in development for a couple of years already and that might be true (or not). There's really no conclusive evidence (only circumstantial evidence, which is debatable) that the game is not developed until DayZ was out. The worst case is that they intended the game to be a single player game but changed to multiplayer after DayZ was released.
On October 17 2012 10:11 Kamikiri wrote: I wasn't going to get this because of reading the thread with people from DayZ here bashing on this game hardcore making it sound terrible but than my friend convinced me to try it. Believe me I am glad my friend convinced me to not listen to you guys and try it. I have had a lot of fun and really enjoyed this game.
Weapons and items in general are EXTREMELY rare the survival aspect alone is a lot harder than DayZ, zombies are a lot more of a threat and weapons/ammunition are way rarer. The fact that there is something to do endgame also makes it a lot more appealing to me than DayZ. I spent 3-4 months playing DayZ and loving the game a lot but imo WarZ is just flat out better and it seems like the majority of you are just bashing on WarZ for no real reason because it is in "alpha". The game is far from finished and they have been very responsive and improving the game but so far from what I have seen with the art sounds and the general direction the game is being developed into is shaping up to be a great game even though it is still in "alpha".
You guys really need to take a step back stop bashing this game and wait until it gets further into development(out of alpha) before you judge it.
I don't bash it because its alpha, I bash it because the studio is money hungry and on principal I don't want to see them succeed. They were so lazy/greedy they stole leauge of legends tos + Show Spoiler +
They recently gave away a ton of free copies instead of being greedy and money hungry when they instead could have banned the extra serial keys they gave away. Everyone is looking to make money when they are making games. I think you are mistaking greedy for a company who just need a push in the right direction, they aren't just trying to get money from this they are actively trying to make a good game and constantly working to make it better. They have a lot of plans for the game and are listening to user feedback.
On October 17 2012 10:11 Kamikiri wrote: I wasn't going to get this because of reading the thread with people from DayZ here bashing on this game hardcore making it sound terrible but than my friend convinced me to try it. Believe me I am glad my friend convinced me to not listen to you guys and try it. I have had a lot of fun and really enjoyed this game.
Weapons and items in general are EXTREMELY rare the survival aspect alone is a lot harder than DayZ, zombies are a lot more of a threat and weapons/ammunition are way rarer. The fact that there is something to do endgame also makes it a lot more appealing to me than DayZ. I spent 3-4 months playing DayZ and loving the game a lot but imo WarZ is just flat out better and it seems like the majority of you are just bashing on WarZ for no real reason because it is in "alpha". The game is far from finished and they have been very responsive and improving the game but so far from what I have seen with the art sounds and the general direction the game is being developed into is shaping up to be a great game even though it is still in "alpha".
You guys really need to take a step back stop bashing this game and wait until it gets further into development(out of alpha) before you judge it.
It's more that the developers are complete liars. They told people that the game had been in development for 2 years, when it's clear that this game is a modification of War Inc. and the game website is only less than 6 months old. They told us that the in game microtransaction market would only include items we can use for simple customization, not game altering items. I can't help but feel like this is a total scam. Hell, just look at the name of their Product: War Z. Sound familiar? This game is meant to feed off the hype around Day Z.
On October 17 2012 10:11 Kamikiri wrote: I wasn't going to get this because of reading the thread with people from DayZ here bashing on this game hardcore making it sound terrible but than my friend convinced me to try it. Believe me I am glad my friend convinced me to not listen to you guys and try it. I have had a lot of fun and really enjoyed this game.
Weapons and items in general are EXTREMELY rare the survival aspect alone is a lot harder than DayZ, zombies are a lot more of a threat and weapons/ammunition are way rarer. The fact that there is something to do endgame also makes it a lot more appealing to me than DayZ. I spent 3-4 months playing DayZ and loving the game a lot but imo WarZ is just flat out better and it seems like the majority of you are just bashing on WarZ for no real reason because it is in "alpha". The game is far from finished and they have been very responsive and improving the game but so far from what I have seen with the art sounds and the general direction the game is being developed into is shaping up to be a great game even though it is still in "alpha".
You guys really need to take a step back stop bashing this game and wait until it gets further into development(out of alpha) before you judge it.
It's more that the developers are complete liars. They told people that the game had been in development for 2 years, when it's clear that this game is a modification of War Inc. and the game website is only less than 6 months old. They told us that the in game microtransaction market would only include items we can use for simple customization, not game altering items. I can't help but feel like this is a total scam. Hell, just look at the name of their Product: War Z. Sound familiar? This game is meant to feed off the hype around Day Z.
Like I said in the previous post, there's no definite evidences. There's no way we can tell that the games was just developed. What if they just want to make sure that the game is at least close to alpha level completion before announcing it and creating a website? Or they could just develop a game using the War Inc engine (which is totally by a different company). And the store so far does not really offer a game changing items like assault rifles. The only questionable thing they have done so far is copying ToS.
You can believe what you want but I don't think we can really call them liars unless we have more definite proofs to back the claim.
So if anyone has a whole bunch of those extra keys lying around and wants to pm me one... I wouldn't complain =D I'm curious about the game but not enough to buy it without trying it. If it's fun, though, I could see me and 2 of my roommates getting into it.
Kinda hillarious people moaning about the state of the game after the first few hours of alpha. This is an alpha of a game, not a mod. Day Z is a mod for an already complete game, there's a difference.
THe fist day was ropey, getting into a game was hard, but once in the game played much as I expected, a more user friendly Day Z. It felt similar but different. I personally will not judge a game based on the fluff gameplay things such as spawns being out of whack, sounds being weird etc. They have plenty of time to polish those things prior to a real release.
Today they released their first patch, it's fixed alot of crashes (I've yet to crash today) and it's alo easier to join a server. Generally it is a vastly improved experience from that of the first day. If they continue to be honest and open with the community, pump out updates and hotfixes regularly, this game could be better than Day Z standalone. The fact Day Z is using the Arma 2 (.5?) engine is enough to put a huge spanner in the works. They should of used the Arma 3 engine.
The company behind this feel so shady. Their email "You have been invited to the War Z Beta!" which was just an advertisement that you could buy access to the beta... ugh.
On October 17 2012 20:56 Tobberoth wrote: The company behind this feel so shady. Their email "You have been invited to the War Z Beta!" which was just an advertisement that you could buy access to the beta... ugh.
One of my biggest concerns is their Executive Producer, Sergey, is also the guy who does all of the public speaking / communication. He doesn't speak in a professional manner, and his english skills are poor. This is not a good image to give out. Even little things like how he answers questions in such a childish manner with broken english, or how he provides updates. He is talking way too casually and it gives off a bad image. They need a professional, composed and well spoken english Community Manager to actually present information to the customers in a well thought out and concise manner.
On October 17 2012 10:11 Kamikiri wrote: I wasn't going to get this because of reading the thread with people from DayZ here bashing on this game hardcore making it sound terrible but than my friend convinced me to try it. Believe me I am glad my friend convinced me to not listen to you guys and try it. I have had a lot of fun and really enjoyed this game.
Weapons and items in general are EXTREMELY rare the survival aspect alone is a lot harder than DayZ, zombies are a lot more of a threat and weapons/ammunition are way rarer. The fact that there is something to do endgame also makes it a lot more appealing to me than DayZ. I spent 3-4 months playing DayZ and loving the game a lot but imo WarZ is just flat out better and it seems like the majority of you are just bashing on WarZ for no real reason because it is in "alpha". The game is far from finished and they have been very responsive and improving the game but so far from what I have seen with the art sounds and the general direction the game is being developed into is shaping up to be a great game even though it is still in "alpha".
You guys really need to take a step back stop bashing this game and wait until it gets further into development(out of alpha) before you judge it.
It's more that the developers are complete liars. They told people that the game had been in development for 2 years, when it's clear that this game is a modification of War Inc. and the game website is only less than 6 months old. They told us that the in game microtransaction market would only include items we can use for simple customization, not game altering items. I can't help but feel like this is a total scam. Hell, just look at the name of their Product: War Z. Sound familiar? This game is meant to feed off the hype around Day Z.
Like I said in the previous post, there's no definite evidences. There's no way we can tell that the games was just developed. What if they just want to make sure that the game is at least close to alpha level completion before announcing it and creating a website? Or they could just develop a game using the War Inc engine (which is totally by a different company). And the store so far does not really offer a game changing items like assault rifles. The only questionable thing they have done so far is copying ToS.
You can believe what you want but I don't think we can really call them liars unless we have more definite proofs to back the claim.
If you are the one making a claim, you have the burden of proof lol
On October 17 2012 20:52 jexxto wrote: Kinda hillarious people moaning about the state of the game after the first few hours of alpha. This is an alpha of a game, not a mod. Day Z is a mod for an already complete game, there's a difference.
THe fist day was ropey, getting into a game was hard, but once in the game played much as I expected, a more user friendly Day Z. It felt similar but different. I personally will not judge a game based on the fluff gameplay things such as spawns being out of whack, sounds being weird etc. They have plenty of time to polish those things prior to a real release.
Today they released their first patch, it's fixed alot of crashes (I've yet to crash today) and it's alo easier to join a server. Generally it is a vastly improved experience from that of the first day. If they continue to be honest and open with the community, pump out updates and hotfixes regularly, this game could be better than Day Z standalone. The fact Day Z is using the Arma 2 (.5?) engine is enough to put a huge spanner in the works. They should of used the Arma 3 engine.
WarZ is a mod of WarInc, your arguments are invalid
On October 17 2012 10:11 Kamikiri wrote: I wasn't going to get this because of reading the thread with people from DayZ here bashing on this game hardcore making it sound terrible but than my friend convinced me to try it. Believe me I am glad my friend convinced me to not listen to you guys and try it. I have had a lot of fun and really enjoyed this game.
Weapons and items in general are EXTREMELY rare the survival aspect alone is a lot harder than DayZ, zombies are a lot more of a threat and weapons/ammunition are way rarer. The fact that there is something to do endgame also makes it a lot more appealing to me than DayZ. I spent 3-4 months playing DayZ and loving the game a lot but imo WarZ is just flat out better and it seems like the majority of you are just bashing on WarZ for no real reason because it is in "alpha". The game is far from finished and they have been very responsive and improving the game but so far from what I have seen with the art sounds and the general direction the game is being developed into is shaping up to be a great game even though it is still in "alpha".
You guys really need to take a step back stop bashing this game and wait until it gets further into development(out of alpha) before you judge it.
It's more that the developers are complete liars. They told people that the game had been in development for 2 years, when it's clear that this game is a modification of War Inc. and the game website is only less than 6 months old. They told us that the in game microtransaction market would only include items we can use for simple customization, not game altering items. I can't help but feel like this is a total scam. Hell, just look at the name of their Product: War Z. Sound familiar? This game is meant to feed off the hype around Day Z.
Like I said in the previous post, there's no definite evidences. There's no way we can tell that the games was just developed. What if they just want to make sure that the game is at least close to alpha level completion before announcing it and creating a website? Or they could just develop a game using the War Inc engine (which is totally by a different company). And the store so far does not really offer a game changing items like assault rifles. The only questionable thing they have done so far is copying ToS.
You can believe what you want but I don't think we can really call them liars unless we have more definite proofs to back the claim.
If you are the one making a claim, you have the burden of proof lol
On October 17 2012 20:52 jexxto wrote: Kinda hillarious people moaning about the state of the game after the first few hours of alpha. This is an alpha of a game, not a mod. Day Z is a mod for an already complete game, there's a difference.
THe fist day was ropey, getting into a game was hard, but once in the game played much as I expected, a more user friendly Day Z. It felt similar but different. I personally will not judge a game based on the fluff gameplay things such as spawns being out of whack, sounds being weird etc. They have plenty of time to polish those things prior to a real release.
Today they released their first patch, it's fixed alot of crashes (I've yet to crash today) and it's alo easier to join a server. Generally it is a vastly improved experience from that of the first day. If they continue to be honest and open with the community, pump out updates and hotfixes regularly, this game could be better than Day Z standalone. The fact Day Z is using the Arma 2 (.5?) engine is enough to put a huge spanner in the works. They should of used the Arma 3 engine.
WarZ is a mod of WarInc, your arguments are invalid
My arguments? I'm not arguing here champ, although if we were to have a shit flinging contest I have no doubt a primitive ape such as yourself would win hands down. I'm merely saying objectively they are not taking the same design process. War-Z although on the same engine as War-Inc is built from the ground up. Even if it uses some assests from War-Inc it's still a new game. The map alone would of required extensive work to make from scratch, along with all of the unique survival mechanics. Day-Z used an existing map, existing mechanics (albeit MODDED). The only real change was survival style and zombies. If you played Day-Z from the start (like I did) you would know it wasn't all shiny and lovely. Even now there are glaring oversights and bugs, which are due in part to the engine it's built on.
I like Day-Z, and so far I like War-Z. I've no doubt War-Z was a rush job to cash in on Day-Z' success, unlike you I am not a rabid fanboy of either game, I like the genre. How War-Z came about is irrelevant to me, what matters is what happens next. Healthy competition with two very similar games can only push each game to be better. This is a good thing. I'll be playing both.
There is no argument here from my end. If you want to slander one game and put your fingers in your ears screaming lala, the there is also no dscussion to be had either.
On October 17 2012 10:11 Kamikiri wrote: I wasn't going to get this because of reading the thread with people from DayZ here bashing on this game hardcore making it sound terrible but than my friend convinced me to try it. Believe me I am glad my friend convinced me to not listen to you guys and try it. I have had a lot of fun and really enjoyed this game.
Weapons and items in general are EXTREMELY rare the survival aspect alone is a lot harder than DayZ, zombies are a lot more of a threat and weapons/ammunition are way rarer. The fact that there is something to do endgame also makes it a lot more appealing to me than DayZ. I spent 3-4 months playing DayZ and loving the game a lot but imo WarZ is just flat out better and it seems like the majority of you are just bashing on WarZ for no real reason because it is in "alpha". The game is far from finished and they have been very responsive and improving the game but so far from what I have seen with the art sounds and the general direction the game is being developed into is shaping up to be a great game even though it is still in "alpha".
You guys really need to take a step back stop bashing this game and wait until it gets further into development(out of alpha) before you judge it.
It's more that the developers are complete liars. They told people that the game had been in development for 2 years, when it's clear that this game is a modification of War Inc. and the game website is only less than 6 months old. They told us that the in game microtransaction market would only include items we can use for simple customization, not game altering items. I can't help but feel like this is a total scam.
Hell, just look at the name of their Product: War Z. Sound familiar? This game is meant to feed off the hype around Day Z.
On October 17 2012 10:11 Kamikiri wrote: I wasn't going to get this because of reading the thread with people from DayZ here bashing on this game hardcore making it sound terrible but than my friend convinced me to try it. Believe me I am glad my friend convinced me to not listen to you guys and try it. I have had a lot of fun and really enjoyed this game.
Weapons and items in general are EXTREMELY rare the survival aspect alone is a lot harder than DayZ, zombies are a lot more of a threat and weapons/ammunition are way rarer. The fact that there is something to do endgame also makes it a lot more appealing to me than DayZ. I spent 3-4 months playing DayZ and loving the game a lot but imo WarZ is just flat out better and it seems like the majority of you are just bashing on WarZ for no real reason because it is in "alpha". The game is far from finished and they have been very responsive and improving the game but so far from what I have seen with the art sounds and the general direction the game is being developed into is shaping up to be a great game even though it is still in "alpha".
You guys really need to take a step back stop bashing this game and wait until it gets further into development(out of alpha) before you judge it.
It's more that the developers are complete liars. They told people that the game had been in development for 2 years, when it's clear that this game is a modification of War Inc. and the game website is only less than 6 months old. They told us that the in game microtransaction market would only include items we can use for simple customization, not game altering items. I can't help but feel like this is a total scam. Hell, just look at the name of their Product: War Z. Sound familiar? This game is meant to feed off the hype around Day Z.
Like I said in the previous post, there's no definite evidences. There's no way we can tell that the games was just developed. What if they just want to make sure that the game is at least close to alpha level completion before announcing it and creating a website? Or they could just develop a game using the War Inc engine (which is totally by a different company). And the store so far does not really offer a game changing items like assault rifles. The only questionable thing they have done so far is copying ToS.
You can believe what you want but I don't think we can really call them liars unless we have more definite proofs to back the claim.
If you are the one making a claim, you have the burden of proof lol
On October 17 2012 20:52 jexxto wrote: Kinda hillarious people moaning about the state of the game after the first few hours of alpha. This is an alpha of a game, not a mod. Day Z is a mod for an already complete game, there's a difference.
THe fist day was ropey, getting into a game was hard, but once in the game played much as I expected, a more user friendly Day Z. It felt similar but different. I personally will not judge a game based on the fluff gameplay things such as spawns being out of whack, sounds being weird etc. They have plenty of time to polish those things prior to a real release.
Today they released their first patch, it's fixed alot of crashes (I've yet to crash today) and it's alo easier to join a server. Generally it is a vastly improved experience from that of the first day. If they continue to be honest and open with the community, pump out updates and hotfixes regularly, this game could be better than Day Z standalone. The fact Day Z is using the Arma 2 (.5?) engine is enough to put a huge spanner in the works. They should of used the Arma 3 engine.
WarZ is a mod of WarInc, your arguments are invalid
Do you really hate this game that much that you are trying to say War Z is a mod? It just uses the same engine editted for War Z. Or were you just saying something stupid in response to someone to make them seem stupid?
Anyways back on topic: The game has been really enjoyable and great for me especially with the most recent patch. A lot of bugs and glitches were fixed making the game much more enjoyable, I have found quite a bit of barricades that I have begun using to create a little base area. I was in the main city with a few friends having a pretty hefty fire fight with other players, we ended up winning and taking like 6+ guns from them it was insane. I really feel like this game has a lot of potential and I will continue playing it at least until the Day Z stand alone than I will pick which game I think I would like more with my friends and stick to it.
On October 17 2012 10:11 Kamikiri wrote: I wasn't going to get this because of reading the thread with people from DayZ here bashing on this game hardcore making it sound terrible but than my friend convinced me to try it. Believe me I am glad my friend convinced me to not listen to you guys and try it. I have had a lot of fun and really enjoyed this game.
Weapons and items in general are EXTREMELY rare the survival aspect alone is a lot harder than DayZ, zombies are a lot more of a threat and weapons/ammunition are way rarer. The fact that there is something to do endgame also makes it a lot more appealing to me than DayZ. I spent 3-4 months playing DayZ and loving the game a lot but imo WarZ is just flat out better and it seems like the majority of you are just bashing on WarZ for no real reason because it is in "alpha". The game is far from finished and they have been very responsive and improving the game but so far from what I have seen with the art sounds and the general direction the game is being developed into is shaping up to be a great game even though it is still in "alpha".
You guys really need to take a step back stop bashing this game and wait until it gets further into development(out of alpha) before you judge it.
It's more that the developers are complete liars. They told people that the game had been in development for 2 years, when it's clear that this game is a modification of War Inc. and the game website is only less than 6 months old. They told us that the in game microtransaction market would only include items we can use for simple customization, not game altering items. I can't help but feel like this is a total scam. Hell, just look at the name of their Product: War Z. Sound familiar? This game is meant to feed off the hype around Day Z.
Like I said in the previous post, there's no definite evidences. There's no way we can tell that the games was just developed. What if they just want to make sure that the game is at least close to alpha level completion before announcing it and creating a website? Or they could just develop a game using the War Inc engine (which is totally by a different company). And the store so far does not really offer a game changing items like assault rifles. The only questionable thing they have done so far is copying ToS.
You can believe what you want but I don't think we can really call them liars unless we have more definite proofs to back the claim.
If you are the one making a claim, you have the burden of proof lol
On October 17 2012 20:52 jexxto wrote: Kinda hillarious people moaning about the state of the game after the first few hours of alpha. This is an alpha of a game, not a mod. Day Z is a mod for an already complete game, there's a difference.
THe fist day was ropey, getting into a game was hard, but once in the game played much as I expected, a more user friendly Day Z. It felt similar but different. I personally will not judge a game based on the fluff gameplay things such as spawns being out of whack, sounds being weird etc. They have plenty of time to polish those things prior to a real release.
Today they released their first patch, it's fixed alot of crashes (I've yet to crash today) and it's alo easier to join a server. Generally it is a vastly improved experience from that of the first day. If they continue to be honest and open with the community, pump out updates and hotfixes regularly, this game could be better than Day Z standalone. The fact Day Z is using the Arma 2 (.5?) engine is enough to put a huge spanner in the works. They should of used the Arma 3 engine.
WarZ is a mod of WarInc, your arguments are invalid
Since when do companies have to provide proof of when the development began? That's just really dumb. If you don't buy it, you are the one that has to provide proof.
DayZ standalone is a mod of Arma 2 so your arguments are invalid.
FWIW, DayZ standalone is not a mod of Arma 2, or is not supposed to be anyway. The phrase "DayZ standalone is a mod of Arma 2" is an oxymoron in itself. The meaning of standalone contradicts it being a mod
If anyone has a key they want to toss me I'd like to try this out, played DayZ quite a bit (hop on occasionally, still). Game looks sketch, but apparently recent patches have brought it up to par. Only reason I don't just buy it is...
On October 16 2012 14:51 Risen wrote: I had really high hopes for this... I really just wanted something to hold me over until the standalone DayZ, but I'm not willing to just throw money on a fire lol
On October 18 2012 10:05 Risen wrote: If anyone has a key they want to toss me I'd like to try this out, played DayZ quite a bit (hop on occasionally, still). Game looks sketch, but apparently recent patches have brought it up to par. Only reason I don't just buy it is...
On October 16 2012 14:51 Risen wrote: I had really high hopes for this... I really just wanted something to hold me over until the standalone DayZ, but I'm not willing to just throw money on a fire lol
Would like to try it out before I buy it.
I will let you know what I think of it and if you don't decide to buy it by beta I will give you 3 beta keys to use(you can reapply one after another during the beta for time) but so far I have really enjoyed it. It isn't very buggy and I haven't died to any "random" stuff, I dislike the global inventory being accessed from anywhere but that is just for Alpha, it will be changed in beta where you must be in a city.
The dynamic lighting is amazing looking a step above DayZ and the sounds are definitely a step up from DayZ, there are random screams of zombies coming from the woods it is very immersive and enjoyable. It is very gorey when you beat the hell out of someone with a melee weapon but I kind of like that lol. Theres a lot more I can talk about but I will wait until later because I am sitting in a jail in the main city hiding writing this.
On October 17 2012 10:11 Kamikiri wrote: I wasn't going to get this because of reading the thread with people from DayZ here bashing on this game hardcore making it sound terrible but than my friend convinced me to try it. Believe me I am glad my friend convinced me to not listen to you guys and try it. I have had a lot of fun and really enjoyed this game.
Weapons and items in general are EXTREMELY rare the survival aspect alone is a lot harder than DayZ, zombies are a lot more of a threat and weapons/ammunition are way rarer. The fact that there is something to do endgame also makes it a lot more appealing to me than DayZ. I spent 3-4 months playing DayZ and loving the game a lot but imo WarZ is just flat out better and it seems like the majority of you are just bashing on WarZ for no real reason because it is in "alpha". The game is far from finished and they have been very responsive and improving the game but so far from what I have seen with the art sounds and the general direction the game is being developed into is shaping up to be a great game even though it is still in "alpha".
You guys really need to take a step back stop bashing this game and wait until it gets further into development(out of alpha) before you judge it.
It's more that the developers are complete liars. They told people that the game had been in development for 2 years, when it's clear that this game is a modification of War Inc. and the game website is only less than 6 months old. They told us that the in game microtransaction market would only include items we can use for simple customization, not game altering items. I can't help but feel like this is a total scam. Hell, just look at the name of their Product: War Z. Sound familiar? This game is meant to feed off the hype around Day Z.
Like I said in the previous post, there's no definite evidences. There's no way we can tell that the games was just developed. What if they just want to make sure that the game is at least close to alpha level completion before announcing it and creating a website? Or they could just develop a game using the War Inc engine (which is totally by a different company). And the store so far does not really offer a game changing items like assault rifles. The only questionable thing they have done so far is copying ToS.
You can believe what you want but I don't think we can really call them liars unless we have more definite proofs to back the claim.
... Look at the code. It's almost identical to War Inc. And yes they do offer game altering things in the store. You can buy food, medicine, ect. Thank god you can't buy guns, but this sort of stuff doesn't belong. (Food and medicine is almost more rare than a sniper rifle in the games current state)...
On October 17 2012 10:11 Kamikiri wrote: I wasn't going to get this because of reading the thread with people from DayZ here bashing on this game hardcore making it sound terrible but than my friend convinced me to try it. Believe me I am glad my friend convinced me to not listen to you guys and try it. I have had a lot of fun and really enjoyed this game.
Weapons and items in general are EXTREMELY rare the survival aspect alone is a lot harder than DayZ, zombies are a lot more of a threat and weapons/ammunition are way rarer. The fact that there is something to do endgame also makes it a lot more appealing to me than DayZ. I spent 3-4 months playing DayZ and loving the game a lot but imo WarZ is just flat out better and it seems like the majority of you are just bashing on WarZ for no real reason because it is in "alpha". The game is far from finished and they have been very responsive and improving the game but so far from what I have seen with the art sounds and the general direction the game is being developed into is shaping up to be a great game even though it is still in "alpha".
You guys really need to take a step back stop bashing this game and wait until it gets further into development(out of alpha) before you judge it.
It's more that the developers are complete liars. They told people that the game had been in development for 2 years, when it's clear that this game is a modification of War Inc. and the game website is only less than 6 months old. They told us that the in game microtransaction market would only include items we can use for simple customization, not game altering items. I can't help but feel like this is a total scam. Hell, just look at the name of their Product: War Z. Sound familiar? This game is meant to feed off the hype around Day Z.
Like I said in the previous post, there's no definite evidences. There's no way we can tell that the games was just developed. What if they just want to make sure that the game is at least close to alpha level completion before announcing it and creating a website? Or they could just develop a game using the War Inc engine (which is totally by a different company). And the store so far does not really offer a game changing items like assault rifles. The only questionable thing they have done so far is copying ToS.
You can believe what you want but I don't think we can really call them liars unless we have more definite proofs to back the claim.
... Look at the code. It's almost identical to War Inc. And yes they do offer game altering things in the store. You can buy food, medicine, ect. Thank god you can't buy guns, but this sort of stuff doesn't belong. (Food and medicine is almost more rare than a sniper rifle in the games current state)...
Can you stop making rash accusations just trying to bash the game? First of all food and medicine is not rare, AT ALL , not even remotely rare. It is pretty common to find food water and medicine where as Sniper rifles are extremely rare, all guns in general are. Weapons will also have nerfed drop rates after alpha as well.
WarZ and War Inc. using the same engine isn't a reason to bash on the game either, it is pretty common for games to share the same engine. It really does look like you are just searching for reasons to bash this game so please take your bullshit reasoning for hating this game and leave.
On October 18 2012 10:05 Risen wrote: If anyone has a key they want to toss me I'd like to try this out, played DayZ quite a bit (hop on occasionally, still). Game looks sketch, but apparently recent patches have brought it up to par. Only reason I don't just buy it is...
On October 16 2012 14:51 Risen wrote: I had really high hopes for this... I really just wanted something to hold me over until the standalone DayZ, but I'm not willing to just throw money on a fire lol
Would like to try it out before I buy it.
I will let you know what I think of it and if you don't decide to buy it by beta I will give you 3 beta keys to use(you can reapply one after another during the beta for time) but so far I have really enjoyed it. It isn't very buggy and I haven't died to any "random" stuff, I dislike the global inventory being accessed from anywhere but that is just for Alpha, it will be changed in beta where you must be in a city.
The dynamic lighting is amazing looking a step above DayZ and the sounds are definitely a step up from DayZ, there are random screams of zombies coming from the woods it is very immersive and enjoyable. It is very gorey when you beat the hell out of someone with a melee weapon but I kind of like that lol. Theres a lot more I can talk about but I will wait until later because I am sitting in a jail in the main city hiding writing this.
That's one thing I've actually really liked about the gameplay vids I've watched (the graphics). I love DayZ's graphics as well, don't get me wrong, but it can be hard to see things sometimes for me and WarZ seems much simpler to see things in (during the day).
Can't wait to hear more from you. With this post I'm definitely leaning towards just buying it
Edit: I don't care if it's a money grab, a copy of dayz, or a mod of something else. I'm after one thing, fun. Why would anything else matter to me? I think that discussion is useless in this thread.
Double Edit: I'm actually not too concerned about the price, I just didn't want to be throwing money away. As the game is now, do you think it's worth 30$
On October 18 2012 10:05 Risen wrote: If anyone has a key they want to toss me I'd like to try this out, played DayZ quite a bit (hop on occasionally, still). Game looks sketch, but apparently recent patches have brought it up to par. Only reason I don't just buy it is...
On October 16 2012 14:51 Risen wrote: I had really high hopes for this... I really just wanted something to hold me over until the standalone DayZ, but I'm not willing to just throw money on a fire lol
Would like to try it out before I buy it.
I will let you know what I think of it and if you don't decide to buy it by beta I will give you 3 beta keys to use(you can reapply one after another during the beta for time) but so far I have really enjoyed it. It isn't very buggy and I haven't died to any "random" stuff, I dislike the global inventory being accessed from anywhere but that is just for Alpha, it will be changed in beta where you must be in a city.
The dynamic lighting is amazing looking a step above DayZ and the sounds are definitely a step up from DayZ, there are random screams of zombies coming from the woods it is very immersive and enjoyable. It is very gorey when you beat the hell out of someone with a melee weapon but I kind of like that lol. Theres a lot more I can talk about but I will wait until later because I am sitting in a jail in the main city hiding writing this.
That's one thing I've actually really liked about the gameplay vids I've watched (the graphics). I love DayZ's graphics as well, don't get me wrong, but it can be hard to see things sometimes for me and WarZ seems much simpler to see things in (during the day).
Can't wait to hear more from you. With this post I'm definitely leaning towards just buying it
Edit: I don't care if it's a money grab, a copy of dayz, or a mod of something else. I'm after one thing, fun. Why would anything else matter to me? I think that discussion is useless in this thread.
Double Edit: I'm actually not too concerned about the price, I just didn't want to be throwing money away. As the game is now, do you think it's worth 30$
It is definitely worth 30$, I have bought this game along with 10 other people who I know and we are all enjoying it. They have been updating every day and fixing a lot of the glitches with Alpha. My tip for you if you get it, don't play alone in the dark with the sound up, it is terrifying. Oh also last thing it will be 10$ more expensive after the 20th(I believe not for sure the exact date) If you would like to play with me and some other people PM me and ill give you my skype.
Kamikiri. PM me your skype as well. ill probably buy it now. btw just purchased and received three guest keys (that will go to my RL friends that used to play dayZ with me, sorry guys). what is the process for them to play with me? do they d/l the client and put their email and guest key? Also by having bought the 30$ alpha, do i still get the full game when released? Thanx.
On October 18 2012 18:03 ffswowsucks wrote: Kamikiri. PM me your skype as well. ill probably buy it now. btw just purchased and received three guest keys (that will go to my RL friends that used to play dayZ with me, sorry guys). what is the process for them to play with me? do they d/l the client and put their email and guest key? Also by having bought the 30$ alpha, do i still get the full game when released? Thanx.
For them to use the guest keys it has to be after October 31st when the game goes into beta, until then you can join me and play with me(anyone here is welcome to join just pm me for skype). I play with a few other people who also played DayZ so we have a lot of fun going around together, anyone is welcome to join us.
To the guy posting just above me, I will give you a guest key after October 31st when it is available for the keys to be used.
Edit: Nvm ill just PM you a key Double edit: PM'ed my skype to you
i hear good and bad but im not willing to trow down money to see if its actualy that fun. the question will this be like l4d 1&2 fracturing the community, including us. we willl see
On October 17 2012 10:11 Kamikiri wrote: I wasn't going to get this because of reading the thread with people from DayZ here bashing on this game hardcore making it sound terrible but than my friend convinced me to try it. Believe me I am glad my friend convinced me to not listen to you guys and try it. I have had a lot of fun and really enjoyed this game.
Weapons and items in general are EXTREMELY rare the survival aspect alone is a lot harder than DayZ, zombies are a lot more of a threat and weapons/ammunition are way rarer. The fact that there is something to do endgame also makes it a lot more appealing to me than DayZ. I spent 3-4 months playing DayZ and loving the game a lot but imo WarZ is just flat out better and it seems like the majority of you are just bashing on WarZ for no real reason because it is in "alpha". The game is far from finished and they have been very responsive and improving the game but so far from what I have seen with the art sounds and the general direction the game is being developed into is shaping up to be a great game even though it is still in "alpha".
You guys really need to take a step back stop bashing this game and wait until it gets further into development(out of alpha) before you judge it.
It's more that the developers are complete liars. They told people that the game had been in development for 2 years, when it's clear that this game is a modification of War Inc. and the game website is only less than 6 months old. They told us that the in game microtransaction market would only include items we can use for simple customization, not game altering items. I can't help but feel like this is a total scam. Hell, just look at the name of their Product: War Z. Sound familiar? This game is meant to feed off the hype around Day Z.
Like I said in the previous post, there's no definite evidences. There's no way we can tell that the games was just developed. What if they just want to make sure that the game is at least close to alpha level completion before announcing it and creating a website? Or they could just develop a game using the War Inc engine (which is totally by a different company). And the store so far does not really offer a game changing items like assault rifles. The only questionable thing they have done so far is copying ToS.
You can believe what you want but I don't think we can really call them liars unless we have more definite proofs to back the claim.
If you are the one making a claim, you have the burden of proof lol
On October 17 2012 20:52 jexxto wrote: Kinda hillarious people moaning about the state of the game after the first few hours of alpha. This is an alpha of a game, not a mod. Day Z is a mod for an already complete game, there's a difference.
THe fist day was ropey, getting into a game was hard, but once in the game played much as I expected, a more user friendly Day Z. It felt similar but different. I personally will not judge a game based on the fluff gameplay things such as spawns being out of whack, sounds being weird etc. They have plenty of time to polish those things prior to a real release.
Today they released their first patch, it's fixed alot of crashes (I've yet to crash today) and it's alo easier to join a server. Generally it is a vastly improved experience from that of the first day. If they continue to be honest and open with the community, pump out updates and hotfixes regularly, this game could be better than Day Z standalone. The fact Day Z is using the Arma 2 (.5?) engine is enough to put a huge spanner in the works. They should of used the Arma 3 engine.
WarZ is a mod of WarInc, your arguments are invalid
Since when do companies have to provide proof of when the development began? That's just really dumb. If you don't buy it, you are the one that has to provide proof.
DayZ standalone is a mod of Arma 2 so your arguments are invalid.
Do you know how burden of proof works? I don't think you do. If you are the one who is making the claim then you have to prove that your claims to be true. The reason the studio has to prove they started development before dayz came out is to prove that they aren't greedy arseholes who are scabbing off dayz's success for money. If dayz never came out then they wouldn't need to prove themselves. Also I never mentioned anything about dayz standalone being a mod of arma 2/3 nor does it have any baring on my point.
Why does it matter if WarZ started because of DayZ's success? That being said I am not impressed so far, if someone wants to toss me one of those keys that I can use at the end of the month I would be very appreciative. I would like to get to try it since I haven't seen much gameplay, I guess it is because it is under NDA or something?
On October 19 2012 01:11 Shootemup. wrote: Why does it matter if WarZ started because of DayZ's success? That being said I am not impressed so far, if someone wants to toss me one of those keys that I can use at the end of the month I would be very appreciative. I would like to get to try it since I haven't seen much gameplay, I guess it is because it is under NDA or something?
It's under NDA until like November 2nd or something yes. (Unless that was LoL and they just forgot to remove it?
I found a riot shield and was beating the hell out of zombies with it today. So much fun lol I am really enjoying this game, also, riot shield, great defense against baseball bats!
On October 17 2012 10:11 Kamikiri wrote: I wasn't going to get this because of reading the thread with people from DayZ here bashing on this game hardcore making it sound terrible but than my friend convinced me to try it. Believe me I am glad my friend convinced me to not listen to you guys and try it. I have had a lot of fun and really enjoyed this game.
Weapons and items in general are EXTREMELY rare the survival aspect alone is a lot harder than DayZ, zombies are a lot more of a threat and weapons/ammunition are way rarer. The fact that there is something to do endgame also makes it a lot more appealing to me than DayZ. I spent 3-4 months playing DayZ and loving the game a lot but imo WarZ is just flat out better and it seems like the majority of you are just bashing on WarZ for no real reason because it is in "alpha". The game is far from finished and they have been very responsive and improving the game but so far from what I have seen with the art sounds and the general direction the game is being developed into is shaping up to be a great game even though it is still in "alpha".
You guys really need to take a step back stop bashing this game and wait until it gets further into development(out of alpha) before you judge it.
I don't bash it because its alpha, I bash it because the studio is money hungry and on principal I don't want to see them succeed.
Well, no one can prove that the game was started after DayZ became popular. They claimed that the game has been in development for a couple of years already and that might be true (or not). There's really no conclusive evidence (only circumstantial evidence, which is debatable) that the game is not developed until DayZ was out. The worst case is that they intended the game to be a single player game but changed to multiplayer after DayZ was released.
The following was posted on their facebook page and promptly deleted shortly after. However people got screenshots of it before it was taken down. Someone reposted the text on reddit(?) and here's a screenshot of it.
Been vaguely following this game. Intradasting to say the least. It has Pando Media Booster apparently, so no way in hell I'm even going to try this game and put that bloatware shit on my computer. Honestly I always kind of felt the conclusion the spoilered post made in the tl;dr was the case, but it's seeming more and more like that every day. That this is just something to cash in on DayZ's success before DayZ gets a standalone game, hoping people who can't wait will buy this instead. It seems like a quick cash grab in every way.
Now I can very well be wrong, and I'm not debating whether it's fun or not, or whether it's pay to win or not or what have you. I know very little about this game and have seen very little gameplay other than the youtube links of comparing it to the War Inc. engine and some early leaked footage of it. All I'm saying is, it's kind of sketchy from the outside of things. And I never even played DayZ for more than like a few hours. I think like I got bored around 15 in, which is weird considering how much of a huge fan of survival games I am o_o
That said, I agree with the person a few above. Who cares if a game is started because another was successful? It encourages competition. What I have a problem with is cheap, knockoff cash grabs, which this may very well be.
On October 18 2012 23:41 Scaramanga wrote: Do you know how burden of proof works? I don't think you do.
Do you ? I am not involved in any side of this argument, but you keep hammering this burden of proof thing and it's getting irritating. From my perspective, you (among others) are the one claiming they are greedy arseholes when they are just making a game. Saying they have to prove they are NOT greedy shows that somebody started claiming they were without any proof (only hints, which I agree with) in the first place.
Yup, guys above me got it right and brings proofs.
Definitely considering this. Enjoyed dayz quite a bit. All of the people crying that its a copy... So what? Risen says it best above, all that matters is if you have fun.
Its in Alpha btw if you didn't know so you shouldn't really judge a game based off of just some Alpha gameplay. As of it being a blatant ripoff, it is the same genre as Day Z does that mean that every game of the same genre is a blatant rip off? Just asking because I have played the game a lot and it is nothing like a blatant rip off trying to copy Day Z the gameplay is different, the sounds the lighting the graphics what you can do is different, you can do a lot more things as well such as Strongholds. Oh also there is actual settlements in the game, reputation the ability to level up to get slight bonuses such as sprinting longer(no extra damage things so don't try to say that) different types of zombies including super zombies and actual player interaction with the ability to give other players quests to do for you.
All of this is currently being added in and is going to be in the game before the actual "release" the majority of these things including settlements, reputation, experience and the different types of zombies will be out near the end of the alpha. You are just judging the game quickly off of some Alpha footage without looking into the actual game. It is the same Genre but isn't blatantly copying DayZ and being a rip off, I already got my moneys worth playing it and I am enjoying it A LOT.
On October 19 2012 08:27 Risen wrote: One gripe with the game. Invisible zombies that you can't hit. I don't mind invisible (annoying) as much as I mind can't hit (infuriating).
Day 4. Patch Notes 10/18/12 Today Reputation is now tracked properly. Safe settlements have been implemented. You can no longer access your global inventory anywhere except these settlements. You can not attack other players in settlements. Fixed invisible players and zombies. Fixed some zombie logic. Fixed a red pixel in HUD. Melee weapon exploit fixed.
No more invisible zombies yay! and to the person saying it is to bright at night - what settings are you playing on and what is your brightness? I can barely see sadly probably my settings.
On October 19 2012 11:24 Shootemup. wrote: I watched that gameplay video, I'm assuming that isn't representative of the game as a whole but it wasn't that impressive.
It isn't at all, also the alpha is always changing a lot and being updated.
lol some of you guys just PARROT the same thing over and over. Durp the game is in alpha, but i'm not going to play it because of how it started, and how it stands currently. It's pretty ridiculous the manner these guys started, and they totally got publicity and sales off of dayz's name.
On October 19 2012 14:52 acidstormy wrote: lol some of you guys just PARROT the same thing over and over. Durp the game is in alpha, but i'm not going to play it because of how it started, and how it stands currently. It's pretty ridiculous the manner these guys started, and they totally got publicity and sales off of dayz's name.
I hate these kind of ripoff games
What do you mean by that? A game is a game is a game. Know what matters? Fun.
Anyways, for the people who actually care about game play experience and don't want to be hipsters who only support "original ideas" (whatever that is)... just got done with a 4+ hour run which took us over quite a bit of the map searching for loot killing a few players. Had a blast, was crazy intense when we were moving through the city.
On October 19 2012 14:52 acidstormy wrote: lol some of you guys just PARROT the same thing over and over. Durp the game is in alpha, but i'm not going to play it because of how it started, and how it stands currently. It's pretty ridiculous the manner these guys started, and they totally got publicity and sales off of dayz's name.
I hate these kind of ripoff games
Do you know what a rip off is? The game Is the same genre as DayZ, okay what else is the same about it can you explain it? Or are all games of the same genre a rip off? I suppose Guild Wars 2 is a World of Warcraft rip off? Are all shooting games rip offs of other games?
The game didn't take all of DayZ's ideas and basically just make a copy of it if that is what you are trying to say, they took their own direction and made a game that is really fun with it. They came up with their own ideas and implemented them very well into the game and I have really been enjoying it.
It honestly looks like you are just jumping on the hate bandwagon and only looking for reasons to bash it. If you would like to actually discuss the game and try to make a point on what is wrong with it, feel free to PM me so this thread doesn't get cluttered with your bashing non-sense, thanks.
I got so much shit today but lost most of the good stuff.. alice rucksack, sniper, pistol, shotgun, medium backpack, and some other stuff.. only got to save 1 shotgun and 3-4 pistols but no ammo
hardcore mode isn't functional yet, everyone is softcore atm but there are differences and combined servers but there will be hardcore only servers on release or later beta.. anything can change though
Could someone please give me a review of where the game stands as of now (in alpha)? Because we're debating getting it today for 30$ so we can play (if it's worth it) or just getting the cheaper 20$ version and waiting for the 31st.
And yeah, we'd get it for fun so if the basics work: do zombies actually spawn around and try to kill you, can you see other players and kill them, etc.? Think it would be a blast, hope someone can do a short write-up!
Even with the current bugs, i'd say this game is in better shape than DayZ. DayZ has some extra features, but thsi game has some different features DayZ doesn't have either. Zombies work, though a little clunky. Not as clunky as DayZ, but a little diff. U can kill people all day long
On October 19 2012 14:52 acidstormy wrote: lol some of you guys just PARROT the same thing over and over. Durp the game is in alpha, but i'm not going to play it because of how it started, and how it stands currently. It's pretty ridiculous the manner these guys started, and they totally got publicity and sales off of dayz's name.
I hate these kind of ripoff games
Do you know what a rip off is? The game Is the same genre as DayZ, okay what else is the same about it can you explain it? Or are all games of the same genre a rip off? I suppose Guild Wars 2 is a World of Warcraft rip off? Are all shooting games rip offs of other games?
The game didn't take all of DayZ's ideas and basically just make a copy of it if that is what you are trying to say, they took their own direction and made a game that is really fun with it. They came up with their own ideas and implemented them very well into the game and I have really been enjoying it.
From looking at the videos, my very first impression was "Oh, hey, it's DayZ with better graphics and more of an arcade feel." I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who reacted like that. Of course it's a blatant DayZ rip-off. Someone previously already showed that the game was not in development before DayZ (so the WarZ devs lied. Why would they do that?), and they copy practically all the features from DayZ into their game, up to the concept of "reputation". What, are they going to implement dogs next?
As for "it's the same genre": Uh.. how many other Zombie survival MMOs are there? DayZ invented the genre. It's a bit like Dota. Before Dota there were no MOBA games, and all the other games were obvious rip-offs of Dota. Thing is, that's not inherently wrong. DayZ has its own problems at the moment, less and less people play because of hackers and other stupid stuff going on, so I actually welcome the competition of WarZ. It makes everyone work their asses of to be the best game. But please, at least be honest about it and don't go around lying that you totally had the idea years ago like the WarZ devs do. It's a rip-off. And that's perfectly fine.
to people here thinking that warZ was just put together some month before: do you even realize how long it takes to develop such a game up to alpha status? dont expect people to take you serious. and the fact that the EULA was copy&pasted from LoL does in no way support this, because the EULA is always the last thing you do when releasing a game. it furthermore costs much money to get some lawyers to write you a specialized EULA, so most EULAs are just copy&pasted from existing ones.
i love DayZ, thate because i love zombie games. and i can see a big potential in WarZ
the world is big enough for both games, the release of WarZ will not lead to the death of Day-Z. the same way call of duty or battlefield did not lead to the extinction of medal of honour.
games ilke DayZ and WarZ will work even when only some thousand people worldwide will buy and play it, there is no need for ALL people playing the same game. so sheathe your knives, nobody tries to take something from you.
Can people stop pulling the alpha card... The game is going into beta in less than 2 weeks and is without doubt not ready for it. With an alpha this short and this messed up I can't see the beta being much of a pleasant experience. Also did they not state that they wanted full release by the end of the years?
On October 19 2012 18:44 pellejohnson wrote: Can people stop pulling the alpha card... The game is going into beta in less than 2 weeks and is without doubt not ready for it. With an alpha this short and this messed up I can't see the beta being much of a pleasant experience. Also did they not state that they wanted full release by the end of the years?
What exactly about the game is "this messed up"? They fixed the majority of the bugs/glitches and are just implementing everything in atm. This game has been great in alpha and I have been having a great time with my friends playing it. It was pretty buggy but they fixed a lot of the bugs and have been rolling out updates every single day. I do believe you are mistaken with saying this alpha is a mess.
This thread reminds me of some monopoly and perfect competition markets. Do you guys really thought Day Z was gonna be the only game around being a survival zombie sandbox game;; it's just that some people grabbed onto doing something about it faster than others. I am 100% sure some major gaming company will eventually release something similar and better/bigger than the current one's. Thing is guys I am one of the people that bought War Z and till now i find it interesting. If you do not play this game why come and complain about it. just give the thread of your opinions on actually playing it or put additional info about it etc. it's true we sometimes judge a movie from it's trailer but seeing the movie and judging it after is the real thing.
On October 19 2012 14:52 acidstormy wrote: lol some of you guys just PARROT the same thing over and over. Durp the game is in alpha, but i'm not going to play it because of how it started, and how it stands currently. It's pretty ridiculous the manner these guys started, and they totally got publicity and sales off of dayz's name.
I hate these kind of ripoff games
alpha is PRE-PLAYABLE stage.
So of course there are a lot of rough spots, doesn't mean it's bad(yet).
On October 19 2012 14:52 acidstormy wrote: lol some of you guys just PARROT the same thing over and over. Durp the game is in alpha, but i'm not going to play it because of how it started, and how it stands currently. It's pretty ridiculous the manner these guys started, and they totally got publicity and sales off of dayz's name.
I hate these kind of ripoff games
alpha is PRE-PLAYABLE stage.
So of course there are a lot of rough spots, doesn't mean it's bad(yet).
To be fair, pre-alpha is pre-playable stage. Alpha is working out engine bugs, Beta is working out balance.
I'm actually shocked just how fast they are fixng the game. In 3 days the list of fixes is huge. The game is more and more playable each patch and already given me some EPIC moments.
Todays patch once again addressed alot of issues. Zombie AI is now vastly improved, the reputation system is activated and a slew of other things were rolled out.
I doubted the company, mostly due to anti-fanboys and the de-hype train. However I'm glad I took a chance on this game as it'sshaping up to not only give DayZ healthy competition, but maybe even surpass it in some areas.
Right so I just watched one of the videos after reading jexxtos post. Do you people consider castlevania to be a rip off of mario because they're both side scrollers?
Holy crap I thought people would be happy. Zombie games are usually complete shit. Now we have Day Z and TWZ. Seems pretty much like a win? But apparently having games are only ok if they're leet mods.
On October 20 2012 05:54 Probe1 wrote: Right so I just watched one of the videos after reading jexxtos post. Do you people consider castlevania to be a rip off of mario because they're both side scrollers?
Holy crap I thought people would be happy. Zombie games are usually complete shit. Now we have Day Z and TWZ. Seems pretty much like a win? But apparently having games are only ok if they're leet mods.
If mario would have been the first side scroller that ever existed, and castlevania would have been announced shortly after while their devs claimed "Oh yeah, we totally had the idea two years ago!", then.. yeah.
I think the issue here is a) the devs lied, making them rather unpopular, and b) being a ripoff is not a bad thing by definition. And especially in the case of dayz, I openly welcome competition. The dayz developers definitely can use it.
On October 20 2012 06:55 FFGenerations wrote: so what MMO aspects can we expect, since the thread called it an mmo?
From what Sergey has said all of this can be expected by release:
There is reputation for settlements so if you are a bandit the good settlements will shoot you on sight, there is still a bandit settlement you can use though and you can buy/sell/trade in these settlements.
Other players can give you quests to do and they will give you stuff in return.
You can make clans/play with friends and make strongholds or fight to hold certain parts of the world.
There is also experience which unlocks a skill tree which gives you stuff like sprint longer/faster hold your breath longer(for sniping), things like that but nothing that gives you a combat advantage against other players like you don't do more damage with your gun.
You can build fortifications in the world to hold certain areas or make great stronghold servers where you can make farms in for food/water.
[5:18:25 PM] XXX: Zack we're leaving without you [5:20:07 PM] ZZZ: ^ no we are not [5:21:14 PM] YYY: ZACK GET ON WOLFPENS BEING KILLEd [5:21:17 PM] YYY: WE NEED BACKUP [5:21:18 PM] YYY: ZACKKK [5:21:24 PM] WW: HELP [5:21:32 PM] WW: OUR STUFF IS GUNNA GET GONE [5:21:35 PM] XXX: THERES ZOMBIES! [5:21:40 PM] YYY: HURRY UP YOU SLOW ASS NUGKA [5:21:46 PM] XXX: SOMEONE KITED ZOMBIES UP HERE
rofl... I come back to my computer and see this in the warz skype conversation XD
On October 21 2012 03:00 Zorkmid wrote: The Zombies don't even move anymore.
Also my playtime is MASSIVELY inflated.
It says I have character with 7 hrs of gameplay. I've played 2 hrs TOPS TOTAL.
Zombie AI seems to keep bugging when servers have been up for several hours. They are rolling out hotfixes everyday to address the issue. It's deinfnalty remaining stable alot longer than whe alpha first went live. I'm confident zombie AI will be fixed and improved in time for beta.
In terms of the playtime, it's per character and reflects ingame hours as far as I can tell. It's almost like a "score", how many ingame hours has that survivor been alive. Not quite sure why you bring it up like it's something negative or devious haha. As if they are pretending people have played more than they have or something?
Hahaha paqman my man, do whatever you like. who knows rocket is going to fail with the standalone and this will be the better of the two. As for me ill wait and see.
Some guy on a french website had some really good points about that game and DayZ, I'll try to translate his pros and cons, my addendum in bold.
Pros : Inventory is really well done. We still have to see the one for the Dayz standalone, but it's still something. Server browser seems good aswell. The one for dayZ wasn't that bad... The safe settlements, which are really small, but which will help finding friendly people, or set up traps. I'm still not sold on that feature, but he has a good point about findind friendlies Missions (not implemented yet, but this should be madness). If I got it right, players give mission to each others ? that could indeed be interesting Stable FPS even on average config. Now THAT's really good for me and my ok-ish laptop. ARMA engine sure is powerfull, but oh so greedy... Zombies are resilient, and thus a real threat. Weapons are rare. They do listen to the community. There is a poll feature at the end of a game which defines the way the game should go, same on the forums. For exemple, some guy asked the dev to put a lot of vehicles and few gas (opposite of dayz, with few vehicle but gas everywhere), his idea was supported by the active community, and the devs will do just that. Well, if that's true, that is AWESOME. So far, daily updates and fixes. We'll see if that goes on. More realistic handling of hunger and thirst. Zeds don't hit through wall. Loots is scarce, there isn't a billion thing to loot in every house. Good handling of melee weapons. No bug that randomly break your leg/kill you. That was annoying indeed, but I hope it'll be gone for the standalone... Barricades !
Cons: Map isn't as much diversified so far. Only 30% of the map is available I believe, we'll see about that later. We can't get one-shot by zeds. Hey, that's his list, am not judging ^^ No vehicle so far, planned for november. Shooting sensations are not as good (less realistic). It's closer to left4dead right now. Hard to compete with the military simulation of Bohemia, it's fine that they are taking a different approach, but as far as I'm concerned, I loved the feeling with weapons in DayZ. Dat accuracy !
Alright, end of translation. I'll add that this guy used to be a DayZ player, and he had a negative bias when he learned and started playing WarZ.So did I, and I still haven't played it, but it's shaping to be a good game. Just like dayZ in the beginning...
I really didn't like the way guns handled in dayZ, the sound feedback from guns wasn't anything like as loud or as deep as I would like. Also close ranged combat seemed.. messy.
That's entirely opinion though, this game looks solid but I will wait until beta before I try it.
On October 21 2012 23:31 Zorkmid wrote: I got a refund, you just have to ask via support.
Can I ask why? Once NDA drops one of the people in our group has been frapsing and is going to upload a lot of footage IIRC. Been having so much fun lol
On October 21 2012 23:31 Zorkmid wrote: I got a refund, you just have to ask via support.
Can I ask why? Once NDA drops one of the people in our group has been frapsing and is going to upload a lot of footage IIRC. Been having so much fun lol
I'm not going to get into some argument here, but to me the game is clearly thrown together and terrible. I cited that they lied about the development time of the game and that was enough to get them to refund me.
On October 21 2012 23:31 Zorkmid wrote: I got a refund, you just have to ask via support.
Can I ask why? Once NDA drops one of the people in our group has been frapsing and is going to upload a lot of footage IIRC. Been having so much fun lol
I'm not going to get into some argument here, but to me the game is clearly thrown together and terrible. I cited that they lied about the development time of the game and that was enough to get them to refund me.
Alright, to each his own yo. Not everyone likes every game lol. Why did it have to be an argument? Explaining why you didn't like the game would help other people make their decision on whether they wanted to buy it or not.
On October 22 2012 03:51 PaqMan wrote: Is it worth $30??
In my opinion, very much yes. I don't think I'd enjoy it nearly as much solo, but playing with even one other person makes it an absolute blast
Looking forward to more of the map opening up this week, hopefully.
If anyone needs a group of players to team up with, we have a 500 slot teamspeak and a small but active group looking to grow in War Z. Apply @ http://www.armyofalbion.co.uk
I bought in, though I wish I didn't. I know it's an alpha, but there are definitely things to work on.
The most of which is progression. There's just no real progression in the game as it stands. I played maybe 2 hours yesterday, and found a single pistol, with a single clip in that time. I found about 20 hats, 18 of which were vanity, and a ton of water.
Searching, searching, searching. I was in some big city, with big buildings, but no matter where I entered, they were empty. No tables, no decorations, no chairs, no items, completely empty with the exception of maybe a water in the corner.
The point is, I searched for a long time finding nothing. DayZ, on the other hand, there's junk laying around. Even just tin cans, heatpacks, chemlights, more food, more drinks (different drinks). There's just more stuff. Maybe at some point you'll find a watch, maybe a compass, binoculars...
Right now, War Z just feels like a tedious search for a gun, and that's it. The map isn't big enough to ever feel "safe" on, and there's just no survival aspect to it. It just feels like a deathmatch. One in which you don't start with a weapon.
I can totally sympathize with you on that issue Felnarion. I hope they reduce hat drops, increase food drops, maybe replace some of the drink drops with food, and make it so there isn't so many blank spawns.
((How many masks were really around before the apocalypse, really ))
Was debating buying my way into this, but Zorkmid pretty much confirmed all of my suspicions.
WarZ saw the success of DayZ and tried to capitalize on someone else's idea. Although now with Rocket throwing bitch-fits on his forums and stuff... who knows if well ever get a real DayZ game lol.
But pretty much just came to say thanks to Zork, because now I am happy knowing i didnt waste money buying into this game.
Also, just purely on principal I couldnt bring myself to buy into it, because stealing someone else's idea is whack as shit. Then stealing someone's free idea and charging for their ripoff, while the original is free is just low.
Also, after reading an interview with the designers, they made it obvious that the game would be pay-to-win eventually... which I am sick of.....
So tired of gaming companies saying "its free!" but then charging 20-100x what the content would actually have costed if they sold the package as a whole.
On October 23 2012 06:17 MaestroSC wrote: Was debating buying my way into this, but Zorkmid pretty much confirmed all of my suspicions.
WarZ saw the success of DayZ and tried to capitalize on someone else's idea. Although now with Rocket throwing bitch-fits on his forums and stuff... who knows if well ever get a real DayZ game lol.
But pretty much just came to say thanks to Zork, because now I am happy knowing i didnt waste money buying into this game.
Also, just purely on principal I couldnt bring myself to buy into it, because stealing someone else's idea is whack as shit. Then stealing someone's free idea and charging for their ripoff, while the original is free is just low.
Also, after reading an interview with the designers, they made it obvious that the game would be pay-to-win eventually... which I am sick of.....
So tired of gaming companies saying "its free!" but then charging 20-100x what the content would actually have costed if they sold the package as a whole.
It's obvious you have no idea what you were talking about, and also that you never actually intended to play the game. No biggie, not everyone is going to like a game, but at least be honest about it rofl.
On October 23 2012 06:17 MaestroSC wrote: Was debating buying my way into this, but Zorkmid pretty much confirmed all of my suspicions.
WarZ saw the success of DayZ and tried to capitalize on someone else's idea. Although now with Rocket throwing bitch-fits on his forums and stuff... who knows if well ever get a real DayZ game lol.
But pretty much just came to say thanks to Zork, because now I am happy knowing i didnt waste money buying into this game.
Also, just purely on principal I couldnt bring myself to buy into it, because stealing someone else's idea is whack as shit. Then stealing someone's free idea and charging for their ripoff, while the original is free is just low.
Also, after reading an interview with the designers, they made it obvious that the game would be pay-to-win eventually... which I am sick of.....
So tired of gaming companies saying "its free!" but then charging 20-100x what the content would actually have costed if they sold the package as a whole.
No prob buddy. Hoping for a better DayZ standalone.
I don't have any trouble with stealing an idea, but this game is just a piece of shit. Played it for like 90 mins 2 nights ago. Slapped together. Zombies don't move. Boring as fuck. I'll say one good thing about it though. There is a 10 second disconnect timer.
On October 23 2012 06:17 MaestroSC wrote: Was debating buying my way into this, but Zorkmid pretty much confirmed all of my suspicions.
WarZ saw the success of DayZ and tried to capitalize on someone else's idea. Although now with Rocket throwing bitch-fits on his forums and stuff... who knows if well ever get a real DayZ game lol.
But pretty much just came to say thanks to Zork, because now I am happy knowing i didnt waste money buying into this game.
Also, just purely on principal I couldnt bring myself to buy into it, because stealing someone else's idea is whack as shit. Then stealing someone's free idea and charging for their ripoff, while the original is free is just low.
Also, after reading an interview with the designers, they made it obvious that the game would be pay-to-win eventually... which I am sick of.....
So tired of gaming companies saying "its free!" but then charging 20-100x what the content would actually have costed if they sold the package as a whole.
No prob buddy. Hoping for a better DayZ standalone.
I don't have any trouble with stealing an idea, but this game is just a piece of shit. Played it for like 90 mins 2 nights ago. Slapped together. Zombies don't move. Boring as fuck. I'll say one good thing about it though. There is a 10 second disconnect timer.
edit: Risen, you're the one who should be honest.
Bolded not true at all. Says all I need to know about your playing experience. Doubt you even bought it.
Edit: Anywho just got killed at helicopter spawn on some server. Knew it was a bad idea but there was a sniper rifle sitting on the ground. Probably dropped as bait, good kill by the bandit who got me XD No idea how he even did it, I was checking my 360 every time I'd sprint to a tree. Literally had just finished a 360 scan when bop bop bop in my back. Sad times in sad town.
On October 23 2012 06:17 MaestroSC wrote: Was debating buying my way into this, but Zorkmid pretty much confirmed all of my suspicions.
WarZ saw the success of DayZ and tried to capitalize on someone else's idea. Although now with Rocket throwing bitch-fits on his forums and stuff... who knows if well ever get a real DayZ game lol.
But pretty much just came to say thanks to Zork, because now I am happy knowing i didnt waste money buying into this game.
Also, just purely on principal I couldnt bring myself to buy into it, because stealing someone else's idea is whack as shit. Then stealing someone's free idea and charging for their ripoff, while the original is free is just low.
Also, after reading an interview with the designers, they made it obvious that the game would be pay-to-win eventually... which I am sick of.....
So tired of gaming companies saying "its free!" but then charging 20-100x what the content would actually have costed if they sold the package as a whole.
No prob buddy. Hoping for a better DayZ standalone.
I don't have any trouble with stealing an idea, but this game is just a piece of shit. Played it for like 90 mins 2 nights ago. Slapped together. Zombies don't move. Boring as fuck. I'll say one good thing about it though. There is a 10 second disconnect timer.
edit: Risen, you're the one who should be honest.
Bolded not true at all. Says all I need to know about your playing experience. Doubt you even bought it.
Ok, I lied. They do run in place, as if on treadmills. Tried several servers.
On October 23 2012 06:17 MaestroSC wrote: Was debating buying my way into this, but Zorkmid pretty much confirmed all of my suspicions.
WarZ saw the success of DayZ and tried to capitalize on someone else's idea. Although now with Rocket throwing bitch-fits on his forums and stuff... who knows if well ever get a real DayZ game lol.
But pretty much just came to say thanks to Zork, because now I am happy knowing i didnt waste money buying into this game.
Also, just purely on principal I couldnt bring myself to buy into it, because stealing someone else's idea is whack as shit. Then stealing someone's free idea and charging for their ripoff, while the original is free is just low.
Also, after reading an interview with the designers, they made it obvious that the game would be pay-to-win eventually... which I am sick of.....
So tired of gaming companies saying "its free!" but then charging 20-100x what the content would actually have costed if they sold the package as a whole.
No prob buddy. Hoping for a better DayZ standalone.
I don't have any trouble with stealing an idea, but this game is just a piece of shit. Played it for like 90 mins 2 nights ago. Slapped together. Zombies don't move. Boring as fuck. I'll say one good thing about it though. There is a 10 second disconnect timer.
edit: Risen, you're the one who should be honest.
Bolded not true at all. Says all I need to know about your playing experience. Doubt you even bought it.
Ok, I lied. They do run in place, as if on treadmills. Tried several servers.
Not helping your case at all. Pretty clear you didn't buy it at this point.
Edit: For those reading this exchange, the zombies walking in place had been fixed by two nights ago. Was patched on the 19th.
On October 23 2012 06:17 MaestroSC wrote: Was debating buying my way into this, but Zorkmid pretty much confirmed all of my suspicions.
WarZ saw the success of DayZ and tried to capitalize on someone else's idea. Although now with Rocket throwing bitch-fits on his forums and stuff... who knows if well ever get a real DayZ game lol.
But pretty much just came to say thanks to Zork, because now I am happy knowing i didnt waste money buying into this game.
Also, just purely on principal I couldnt bring myself to buy into it, because stealing someone else's idea is whack as shit. Then stealing someone's free idea and charging for their ripoff, while the original is free is just low.
Also, after reading an interview with the designers, they made it obvious that the game would be pay-to-win eventually... which I am sick of.....
So tired of gaming companies saying "its free!" but then charging 20-100x what the content would actually have costed if they sold the package as a whole.
No prob buddy. Hoping for a better DayZ standalone.
I don't have any trouble with stealing an idea, but this game is just a piece of shit. Played it for like 90 mins 2 nights ago. Slapped together. Zombies don't move. Boring as fuck. I'll say one good thing about it though. There is a 10 second disconnect timer.
edit: Risen, you're the one who should be honest.
Bolded not true at all. Says all I need to know about your playing experience. Doubt you even bought it.
Ok, I lied. They do run in place, as if on treadmills. Tried several servers.
Not helping your case at all. Pretty clear you didn't buy it at this point.
Clearly you and me both are fucking liars zork. This man knows all. I never had any interest in WarZ, and you didnt buy it despite having bought it and returned it. Clearly SHENANIGANS.
lol how ignorant and oblivious can a person be.
I love how I am a liar and clearly irrelevant, with 0 evidence to support anything you reply to anyone. Get a life lol.
On October 23 2012 06:17 MaestroSC wrote: Was debating buying my way into this, but Zorkmid pretty much confirmed all of my suspicions.
WarZ saw the success of DayZ and tried to capitalize on someone else's idea. Although now with Rocket throwing bitch-fits on his forums and stuff... who knows if well ever get a real DayZ game lol.
But pretty much just came to say thanks to Zork, because now I am happy knowing i didnt waste money buying into this game.
Also, just purely on principal I couldnt bring myself to buy into it, because stealing someone else's idea is whack as shit. Then stealing someone's free idea and charging for their ripoff, while the original is free is just low.
Also, after reading an interview with the designers, they made it obvious that the game would be pay-to-win eventually... which I am sick of.....
So tired of gaming companies saying "its free!" but then charging 20-100x what the content would actually have costed if they sold the package as a whole.
No prob buddy. Hoping for a better DayZ standalone.
I don't have any trouble with stealing an idea, but this game is just a piece of shit. Played it for like 90 mins 2 nights ago. Slapped together. Zombies don't move. Boring as fuck. I'll say one good thing about it though. There is a 10 second disconnect timer.
edit: Risen, you're the one who should be honest.
Bolded not true at all. Says all I need to know about your playing experience. Doubt you even bought it.
Ok, I lied. They do run in place, as if on treadmills. Tried several servers.
Not helping your case at all. Pretty clear you didn't buy it at this point.
Edit: For those reading this exchange, the zombies walking in place had been fixed by two nights ago. Was patched on the 19th.
On October 23 2012 06:17 MaestroSC wrote: Was debating buying my way into this, but Zorkmid pretty much confirmed all of my suspicions.
WarZ saw the success of DayZ and tried to capitalize on someone else's idea. Although now with Rocket throwing bitch-fits on his forums and stuff... who knows if well ever get a real DayZ game lol.
But pretty much just came to say thanks to Zork, because now I am happy knowing i didnt waste money buying into this game.
Also, just purely on principal I couldnt bring myself to buy into it, because stealing someone else's idea is whack as shit. Then stealing someone's free idea and charging for their ripoff, while the original is free is just low.
Also, after reading an interview with the designers, they made it obvious that the game would be pay-to-win eventually... which I am sick of.....
So tired of gaming companies saying "its free!" but then charging 20-100x what the content would actually have costed if they sold the package as a whole.
No prob buddy. Hoping for a better DayZ standalone.
I don't have any trouble with stealing an idea, but this game is just a piece of shit. Played it for like 90 mins 2 nights ago. Slapped together. Zombies don't move. Boring as fuck. I'll say one good thing about it though. There is a 10 second disconnect timer.
edit: Risen, you're the one who should be honest.
Bolded not true at all. Says all I need to know about your playing experience. Doubt you even bought it.
Edit: Anywho just got killed at helicopter spawn on some server. Knew it was a bad idea but there was a sniper rifle sitting on the ground. Probably dropped as bait, good kill by the bandit who got me XD No idea how he even did it, I was checking my 360 every time I'd sprint to a tree. Literally had just finished a 360 scan when bop bop bop in my back. Sad times in sad town.
On October 23 2012 06:17 MaestroSC wrote: Was debating buying my way into this, but Zorkmid pretty much confirmed all of my suspicions.
WarZ saw the success of DayZ and tried to capitalize on someone else's idea. Although now with Rocket throwing bitch-fits on his forums and stuff... who knows if well ever get a real DayZ game lol.
But pretty much just came to say thanks to Zork, because now I am happy knowing i didnt waste money buying into this game.
Also, just purely on principal I couldnt bring myself to buy into it, because stealing someone else's idea is whack as shit. Then stealing someone's free idea and charging for their ripoff, while the original is free is just low.
Also, after reading an interview with the designers, they made it obvious that the game would be pay-to-win eventually... which I am sick of.....
So tired of gaming companies saying "its free!" but then charging 20-100x what the content would actually have costed if they sold the package as a whole.
No prob buddy. Hoping for a better DayZ standalone.
I don't have any trouble with stealing an idea, but this game is just a piece of shit. Played it for like 90 mins 2 nights ago. Slapped together. Zombies don't move. Boring as fuck. I'll say one good thing about it though. There is a 10 second disconnect timer.
edit: Risen, you're the one who should be honest.
Bolded not true at all. Says all I need to know about your playing experience. Doubt you even bought it.
Edit: Anywho just got killed at helicopter spawn on some server. Knew it was a bad idea but there was a sniper rifle sitting on the ground. Probably dropped as bait, good kill by the bandit who got me XD No idea how he even did it, I was checking my 360 every time I'd sprint to a tree. Literally had just finished a 360 scan when bop bop bop in my back. Sad times in sad town.
Wait. They copied that, too?
Yup. Unlike most people I'm not a hipster fool who only plays "original" games. I play what's fun. Also that receipt says the 15th. How the fuck do you get two days ago from 7 days ago, Zork? Still doesn't change the fact that they fixed zombies on the 19th.
BTW, only an idiot was buying this game at that point and expecting anything other than alpha gameplay. Only an idiot would buy it right now and expect anything other than alpha gameplay. I've been honest in this thread about the gameplay and haven't pulled any punches. I'm having more fun with WarZ than DayZ b/c I don't have to worry about teleporting into the sky at any given moment. I still play both, though.
On October 23 2012 06:17 MaestroSC wrote: Was debating buying my way into this, but Zorkmid pretty much confirmed all of my suspicions.
WarZ saw the success of DayZ and tried to capitalize on someone else's idea. Although now with Rocket throwing bitch-fits on his forums and stuff... who knows if well ever get a real DayZ game lol.
But pretty much just came to say thanks to Zork, because now I am happy knowing i didnt waste money buying into this game.
Also, just purely on principal I couldnt bring myself to buy into it, because stealing someone else's idea is whack as shit. Then stealing someone's free idea and charging for their ripoff, while the original is free is just low.
Also, after reading an interview with the designers, they made it obvious that the game would be pay-to-win eventually... which I am sick of.....
So tired of gaming companies saying "its free!" but then charging 20-100x what the content would actually have costed if they sold the package as a whole.
No prob buddy. Hoping for a better DayZ standalone.
I don't have any trouble with stealing an idea, but this game is just a piece of shit. Played it for like 90 mins 2 nights ago. Slapped together. Zombies don't move. Boring as fuck. I'll say one good thing about it though. There is a 10 second disconnect timer.
edit: Risen, you're the one who should be honest.
Bolded not true at all. Says all I need to know about your playing experience. Doubt you even bought it.
Edit: Anywho just got killed at helicopter spawn on some server. Knew it was a bad idea but there was a sniper rifle sitting on the ground. Probably dropped as bait, good kill by the bandit who got me XD No idea how he even did it, I was checking my 360 every time I'd sprint to a tree. Literally had just finished a 360 scan when bop bop bop in my back. Sad times in sad town.
Wait. They copied that, too?
Yup. Unlike most people I'm not a hipster fool who only plays "original" games. I play what's fun. Also that receipt says the 15th. How the fuck do you get two days ago from 7 days ago, Zork? Still doesn't change the fact that they fixed zombies on the 19th.
BTW, only an idiot was buying this game at that point and expecting anything other than alpha gameplay. Only an idiot would buy it right now and expect anything other than alpha gameplay. I've been honest in this thread about the gameplay and haven't pulled any punches. I'm having more fun with WarZ than DayZ b/c I don't have to worry about teleporting into the sky at any given moment. I still play both, though.
I already said in a previous post that I don't actually mind rip-offs. But at least they shouldn't fucking lie about it.
Though I am rather curious what they do against hackers. I mean, I'm pretty sure there's no hackers at the moment because nobody has yet bothered to work on any hacks. But that will change soon enough. We'll see if people end up falling from the skies then.
On October 23 2012 06:17 MaestroSC wrote: Was debating buying my way into this, but Zorkmid pretty much confirmed all of my suspicions.
WarZ saw the success of DayZ and tried to capitalize on someone else's idea. Although now with Rocket throwing bitch-fits on his forums and stuff... who knows if well ever get a real DayZ game lol.
But pretty much just came to say thanks to Zork, because now I am happy knowing i didnt waste money buying into this game.
Also, just purely on principal I couldnt bring myself to buy into it, because stealing someone else's idea is whack as shit. Then stealing someone's free idea and charging for their ripoff, while the original is free is just low.
Also, after reading an interview with the designers, they made it obvious that the game would be pay-to-win eventually... which I am sick of.....
So tired of gaming companies saying "its free!" but then charging 20-100x what the content would actually have costed if they sold the package as a whole.
No prob buddy. Hoping for a better DayZ standalone.
I don't have any trouble with stealing an idea, but this game is just a piece of shit. Played it for like 90 mins 2 nights ago. Slapped together. Zombies don't move. Boring as fuck. I'll say one good thing about it though. There is a 10 second disconnect timer.
edit: Risen, you're the one who should be honest.
Bolded not true at all. Says all I need to know about your playing experience. Doubt you even bought it.
Edit: Anywho just got killed at helicopter spawn on some server. Knew it was a bad idea but there was a sniper rifle sitting on the ground. Probably dropped as bait, good kill by the bandit who got me XD No idea how he even did it, I was checking my 360 every time I'd sprint to a tree. Literally had just finished a 360 scan when bop bop bop in my back. Sad times in sad town.
Wait. They copied that, too?
Yup. Unlike most people I'm not a hipster fool who only plays "original" games. I play what's fun. Also that receipt says the 15th. How the fuck do you get two days ago from 7 days ago, Zork? Still doesn't change the fact that they fixed zombies on the 19th.
BTW, only an idiot was buying this game at that point and expecting anything other than alpha gameplay. Only an idiot would buy it right now and expect anything other than alpha gameplay. I've been honest in this thread about the gameplay and haven't pulled any punches. I'm having more fun with WarZ than DayZ b/c I don't have to worry about teleporting into the sky at any given moment. I still play both, though.
Lol... im a hipster because i have a personal belief in being original and not blindly copying and stealing ideas FOR PROFIT?
First time ive ever been accused of being a hipster.... by a total stranger... on the internet.... who called me a liar when I said I wasnt going to buy WarZ... and called Zorkmid a liar when Zork said he bought the game....
Lol... you are having quite an emotional day today arent you?
Oooh to be 13 with uncontrollable hormones/emotions. its ok, it was a rough time for all of us.
"I dont think im going to buy WarZ" "Well then SCREW YOU YOU LIEING ASSHOLE!" lol. o wait... "YOU LIEING HIPSTER ASSHOLE!"
Your alpha gameplay experience is going to be completely relatable to release, or even beta gameplay... oh wait it isn't. Stop being a dumbass. To anyone doubting the gameplay just watch videos on youtube. If it suits you, get it, if not then don't. Whatever you do don't listen to Zork, though. Dude is completely misrepresenting the state of the game as it stands.
And as for you Maestro, it's not an emotional day, but being dishonest with people in the thread, or even with yourself, is just stupid.
Edit: They really need to up food spawns in this game. Getting tired of popping pain pills to stave off the hunger.
Double Edit: Derp. Killed while alt-tabbed. Noob life.
On October 23 2012 07:06 Risen wrote: Your alpha gameplay experience is going to be completely relatable to release, or even beta gameplay... oh wait it isn't. Stop being a dumbass. To anyone doubting the gameplay just watch videos on youtube. If it suits you, get it, if not then don't. Whatever you do don't listen to Zork, though. Dude is completely misrepresenting the state of the game as it stands.
And as for you Maestro, it's not an emotional day, but being dishonest with people in the thread, or even with yourself, is just stupid.
Edit: They really need to up food spawns in this game. Getting tired of popping pain pills to stave off the hunger.
You are right, I am actually just lieing to myself... when I said Zorkmid confirmed my negative suspicions.
And I was clearly dishonest in my statement of I will not be buying this game, and am not fond of it.... wait where exactly did I lie about the game again?
enjoy your game lol. it's clearly awsome,.. one day you will be confident enough in your own opinions, that other peoples' opinions will not throw you into a fit of rage and force you to begin hurling out insults like a child throwing a temper tantrum in the cereal aisle of the grocery store.
On October 23 2012 07:03 Zorkmid wrote: I played two nights ago, I actually played this game more than once I gave it a real good chance. Zombies ran on treadmills as of that.
I'm just going to stop because this is sad. Have fun those of you who bought this game and don't want a refund. Everyone else, STEER CLEAR.
Steer clear indeed. All of you who partake in an alpha test and expect a finished product should definitely steer clear. Basic functionality is being tested right now, that's all.
On October 23 2012 07:06 Risen wrote: Your alpha gameplay experience is going to be completely relatable to release, or even beta gameplay... oh wait it isn't. Stop being a dumbass. To anyone doubting the gameplay just watch videos on youtube. If it suits you, get it, if not then don't. Whatever you do don't listen to Zork, though. Dude is completely misrepresenting the state of the game as it stands.
And as for you Maestro, it's not an emotional day, but being dishonest with people in the thread, or even with yourself, is just stupid.
Edit: They really need to up food spawns in this game. Getting tired of popping pain pills to stave off the hunger.
You are right, I am actually just lieing to myself... when I said Zorkmid confirmed my negative suspicions.
And I was clearly dishonest in my statement of I will not be buying this game, and am not fond of it.... wait where exactly did I lie about the game again?
enjoy your game lol. it's clearly awsome,.. one day you will be confident enough in your own opinions, that other peoples' opinions will not throw you into a fit of rage and force you to begin hurling out insults like a child throwing a temper tantrum in the cereal aisle of the grocery store.
I didn't even insult you, bud. I said you're lying to yourself and the thread if you ever thought you were giving thoughts to buying the game. The majority of player opinions in this thread have been positive and you say "Oh Zorkmid thanks for your opinion! I knew this game was going to be shit!" You're full of shit.
Anywho, 4 deaths in under an hour. I'm on a roll.
Edit: Oh yeah, I called you a hipster for only wanting to buy original games. Those of you who want only original games steer clear of this one. It's a zombie shooter, and not the first one ever made. Those of you who want a fun game, check out the vids and see if you'll like it.
On October 23 2012 07:06 Risen wrote: Your alpha gameplay experience is going to be completely relatable to release, or even beta gameplay... oh wait it isn't. Stop being a dumbass. To anyone doubting the gameplay just watch videos on youtube. If it suits you, get it, if not then don't. Whatever you do don't listen to Zork, though. Dude is completely misrepresenting the state of the game as it stands.
And as for you Maestro, it's not an emotional day, but being dishonest with people in the thread, or even with yourself, is just stupid.
Edit: They really need to up food spawns in this game. Getting tired of popping pain pills to stave off the hunger.
You are right, I am actually just lieing to myself... when I said Zorkmid confirmed my negative suspicions.
And I was clearly dishonest in my statement of I will not be buying this game, and am not fond of it.... wait where exactly did I lie about the game again?
enjoy your game lol. it's clearly awsome,.. one day you will be confident enough in your own opinions, that other peoples' opinions will not throw you into a fit of rage and force you to begin hurling out insults like a child throwing a temper tantrum in the cereal aisle of the grocery store.
I didn't even insult you, bud. I said you're lying to yourself and the thread if you ever thought you were giving thoughts to buying the game. The majority of player opinions in this thread have been positive and you say "Oh Zorkmid thanks for your opinion! I knew this game was going to be shit!" You're full of shit.
Anywho, 4 deaths in under an hour. I'm on a roll.
Edit: Oh yeah, I called you a hipster for only wanting to buy original games. Those of you who want only original games steer clear of this one. It's a zombie shooter, and not the first one ever made. Those of you who want a fun game, check out the vids and see if you'll like it.
Just a word of advice you're coming off as being really defensive more so than you need to be. Respect other peoples opinions because reviews are in formality an opinion, and everyone is entitled to their own. There is a huge audience for gaming now and with that comes the territory of deviating opinions, learn to differentiate that from personal attacks as not everyone will be able to relate to you. I for one will probably not buy into it at this point thanks to Zork reinforcing the idea I should be a little more conservative with my money. Does that make me a hipster? No not really, because concerns that you so easily discredit may be legitimate concerns for other people before opting in.
edit- oh and hi maestro come talk to us sometime in TS :D
On October 23 2012 07:06 Risen wrote: Your alpha gameplay experience is going to be completely relatable to release, or even beta gameplay... oh wait it isn't. Stop being a dumbass. To anyone doubting the gameplay just watch videos on youtube. If it suits you, get it, if not then don't. Whatever you do don't listen to Zork, though. Dude is completely misrepresenting the state of the game as it stands.
And as for you Maestro, it's not an emotional day, but being dishonest with people in the thread, or even with yourself, is just stupid.
Edit: They really need to up food spawns in this game. Getting tired of popping pain pills to stave off the hunger.
You are right, I am actually just lieing to myself... when I said Zorkmid confirmed my negative suspicions.
And I was clearly dishonest in my statement of I will not be buying this game, and am not fond of it.... wait where exactly did I lie about the game again?
enjoy your game lol. it's clearly awsome,.. one day you will be confident enough in your own opinions, that other peoples' opinions will not throw you into a fit of rage and force you to begin hurling out insults like a child throwing a temper tantrum in the cereal aisle of the grocery store.
I didn't even insult you, bud. I said you're lying to yourself and the thread if you ever thought you were giving thoughts to buying the game. The majority of player opinions in this thread have been positive and you say "Oh Zorkmid thanks for your opinion! I knew this game was going to be shit!" You're full of shit.
Anywho, 4 deaths in under an hour. I'm on a roll.
Edit: Oh yeah, I called you a hipster for only wanting to buy original games. Those of you who want only original games steer clear of this one. It's a zombie shooter, and not the first one ever made. Those of you who want a fun game, check out the vids and see if you'll like it.
Just a word of advice you're coming off as being really defensive more so than you need to be. Respect other peoples opinions because reviews are in formality an opinion, and everyone is entitled to their own. There is a huge audience for gaming now and with that comes the territory of deviating opinions, learn to differentiate that from personal attacks as not everyone will be able to relate to you. I for one will probably not buy into it at this point thanks to Zork reinforcing the idea I should be a little more conservative with my money. Does that make me a hipster? No not really, because concerns that you so easily discredit may be legitimate concerns for other people before opting in.
edit- oh and hi maestro come talk to us sometime in TS :D
What you said is entirely different than what Maestro said. I think you know that, though.
Edit: Shit on my life 5th dead char today. 1 to sniper, 4 to being nice to other people. I SHALL NOT KILL ON SIGHT!
On October 23 2012 07:06 Risen wrote: Your alpha gameplay experience is going to be completely relatable to release, or even beta gameplay... oh wait it isn't. Stop being a dumbass. To anyone doubting the gameplay just watch videos on youtube. If it suits you, get it, if not then don't. Whatever you do don't listen to Zork, though. Dude is completely misrepresenting the state of the game as it stands.
And as for you Maestro, it's not an emotional day, but being dishonest with people in the thread, or even with yourself, is just stupid.
Edit: They really need to up food spawns in this game. Getting tired of popping pain pills to stave off the hunger.
You are right, I am actually just lieing to myself... when I said Zorkmid confirmed my negative suspicions.
And I was clearly dishonest in my statement of I will not be buying this game, and am not fond of it.... wait where exactly did I lie about the game again?
enjoy your game lol. it's clearly awsome,.. one day you will be confident enough in your own opinions, that other peoples' opinions will not throw you into a fit of rage and force you to begin hurling out insults like a child throwing a temper tantrum in the cereal aisle of the grocery store.
I didn't even insult you, bud. I said you're lying to yourself and the thread if you ever thought you were giving thoughts to buying the game. The majority of player opinions in this thread have been positive and you say "Oh Zorkmid thanks for your opinion! I knew this game was going to be shit!" You're full of shit.
Anywho, 4 deaths in under an hour. I'm on a roll.
Edit: Oh yeah, I called you a hipster for only wanting to buy original games. Those of you who want only original games steer clear of this one. It's a zombie shooter, and not the first one ever made. Those of you who want a fun game, check out the vids and see if you'll like it.
Just a word of advice you're coming off as being really defensive more so than you need to be. Respect other peoples opinions because reviews are in formality an opinion, and everyone is entitled to their own. There is a huge audience for gaming now and with that comes the territory of deviating opinions, learn to differentiate that from personal attacks as not everyone will be able to relate to you. I for one will probably not buy into it at this point thanks to Zork reinforcing the idea I should be a little more conservative with my money. Does that make me a hipster? No not really, because concerns that you so easily discredit may be legitimate concerns for other people before opting in.
edit- oh and hi maestro come talk to us sometime in TS :D
They were both being douches.
I just laugh that a lot of people complain about the current state of dayz, then someone comes a long trying to improve on the formula and just gets shot down for being a copy. Well, you'd be hard pressed not to find copies in the game industry.
All my friends who have bought it have already played longer than say, dishonored so its not like you won't get your moneys worth in playing time and while they iron out the glitches and add the features they intend it'll be even better (please spawn on friends D: ).
Stop it guyz or do we need to start posting Day-Z kitties again. If you play the game or want to meet more people that are interested just join TL Teamspeak and go to TL DayZ Last thing I want to see is people going off to some other community to team up with them. TL people should play nice and play together Day-Z and War-Z <3
My squad and I were just in a firefight with another squad for about a hour..It was really intense and we barely came out on top. Its been awhile since a game has gotten my adrenaline rushing like that.
I'm sure you have something relevant to bring to the thread. Oh wait, you don't.
On October 23 2012 19:32 Kamikiri wrote: My squad and I were just in a firefight with another squad for about a hour..It was really intense and we barely came out on top. Its been awhile since a game has gotten my adrenaline rushing like that.
I always miss the firefights You guys able to loot the bodies? Was teaching my friend to play yesterday, he'll probably be joining us today depending on when he gets off work.
I killed another person.. I heard a guy walking into the same building as me, so I crouched next to a doorway. When he walked past me I struck from behind and bashed his head in until his loot popped out like a gory piñata :3 Such fun, such fun. I feel so satisfyingly evil. I haven't found a gun yet, but I just entered the big city. Is that where guns are more common?
Edit: Oh yeah, I don't feel like I've gotten my $30 worth yet. But I barely have any time invested into War Z so that might be why. So far I've really been enjoying it though
On October 24 2012 09:41 PaqMan wrote: I killed another person.. I heard a guy walking into the same building as me, so I crouched next to a doorway. When he walked past me I struck from behind and bashed his head in until his loot popped out like a gory piñata :3 Such fun, such fun. I feel so satisfyingly evil. I haven't found a gun yet, but I just entered the big city. Is that where guns are more common?
Edit: Oh yeah, I don't feel like I've gotten my $30 worth yet. But I barely have any time invested into War Z so that might be why. So far I've really been enjoying it though
Guns can spawn anywhere but places like Police stations have a higher chance and yes in the Big City you can find guns a tad easier due to the fact that there are more spawns and more players who have guns that you can kill and take.
On October 24 2012 09:41 PaqMan wrote: I killed another person.. I heard a guy walking into the same building as me, so I crouched next to a doorway. When he walked past me I struck from behind and bashed his head in until his loot popped out like a gory piñata :3 Such fun, such fun. I feel so satisfyingly evil. I haven't found a gun yet, but I just entered the big city. Is that where guns are more common?
Edit: Oh yeah, I don't feel like I've gotten my $30 worth yet. But I barely have any time invested into War Z so that might be why. So far I've really been enjoying it though
PaqMan! one of my favorite Dayz players.... would ruthlessly slaughter people and then apologize to their dead bodies and feel guilty.
On October 24 2012 09:41 PaqMan wrote: I killed another person.. I heard a guy walking into the same building as me, so I crouched next to a doorway. When he walked past me I struck from behind and bashed his head in until his loot popped out like a gory piñata :3 Such fun, such fun. I feel so satisfyingly evil. I haven't found a gun yet, but I just entered the big city. Is that where guns are more common?
Edit: Oh yeah, I don't feel like I've gotten my $30 worth yet. But I barely have any time invested into War Z so that might be why. So far I've really been enjoying it though
PaqMan! one of my favorite Dayz players.... would ruthlessly slaughter people and then apologize to their dead bodies and feel guilty.
So I understand its alpha and blah blah blah - though already has micro transactions??? I'm curious that not much has been said about this title since alpha released publicly How does it compare with dayz in terms of gameplay? Is it just a more arcadey version? Also how does the tone and feel of the game compare to dayz? Additionally if the micro transactions are in the game currently does it seem like its going to be pay to win or pay to be able to have fun? These devs have a history of not being particularly good with fair microtransactions from what I have heard...
The developers are extremely unprofessional and i bet there is probably 2 or 3 developers working on this title and cashing in big time on this War inc mod.
I didn't read all the comments from that link but it seems to me people are just butthurt and are looking for excuses just to shit all over the game. Also, the stuff i did read was taken out of context.
But people will always find things to bitch about, there is nothing that can be done about this. And, in the end, you will not know (for yourself) if the game is good or not unless you try it out. And for 20$, this is not much (beta access, ofc).
On October 26 2012 23:26 Dooba wrote: I didn't read all the comments from that link but it seems to me people are just butthurt and are looking for excuses just to shit all over the game. Also, the stuff i did read was taken out of context.
But people will always find things to bitch about, there is nothing that can be done about this. And, in the end, you will not know (for yourself) if the game is good or not unless you try it out. And for 20$, this is not much (beta access, ofc).
There's butthurt people on all sides bro. Plenty of fanboys in this thread freaking out over any criticism at all, and plenty of haters in this thread and other forums finding any reason to hate on this game. It's just a cycle of butthurt. I personally tried it out on a friends laptop for an hour or two as we took turns. It was pretty decent, might have some potential if they don't go balls to the wall pay2win (which I'm sure they wont). Just wish everyone would take a massive chill-pill in regards to this game on all sides:|
Then again, it's almost like the devs were asking for it when they called it "WarZ", it's just a drama-magnet considering.
On October 24 2012 09:41 PaqMan wrote: I killed another person.. I heard a guy walking into the same building as me, so I crouched next to a doorway. When he walked past me I struck from behind and bashed his head in until his loot popped out like a gory piñata :3 Such fun, such fun. I feel so satisfyingly evil. I haven't found a gun yet, but I just entered the big city. Is that where guns are more common?
Edit: Oh yeah, I don't feel like I've gotten my $30 worth yet. But I barely have any time invested into War Z so that might be why. So far I've really been enjoying it though
Words can't even begin to describe how true that is.
At first, I was reluctant to kill someone. I didn't even want to. But then I made one character to be the "bandit" and when I killed someone, I couldn't stop.
The excitement of a new prey.
The thrill of the kill.
The loot that drops like a piñata
Their cries of "fuck you" on proximity or global chat.
Too good. I killed someone and he dropped like 5 shotguns. I hit the money shot right there.
On October 24 2012 09:41 PaqMan wrote: I killed another person.. I heard a guy walking into the same building as me, so I crouched next to a doorway. When he walked past me I struck from behind and bashed his head in until his loot popped out like a gory piñata :3 Such fun, such fun. I feel so satisfyingly evil. I haven't found a gun yet, but I just entered the big city. Is that where guns are more common?
Edit: Oh yeah, I don't feel like I've gotten my $30 worth yet. But I barely have any time invested into War Z so that might be why. So far I've really been enjoying it though
Words can't even begin to describe how true that is.
At first, I was reluctant to kill someone. I didn't even want to. But then I made one character to be the "bandit" and when I killed someone, I couldn't stop.
The excitement of a new prey.
The thrill of the kill.
The loot that drops like a piñata
Their cries of "fuck you" on proximity or global chat.
Too good. I killed someone and he dropped like 5 shotguns. I hit the money shot right there.
Bought this game Friday and have played for 4-5 hours with a pal. It's definitely a game you wanna enjoy with someone else and I can't wait for clan support and a friends system.
Well, right now it's a very buggy game and there's a lot of things here and there that needs to be fixed in some way, but I still think it's fair to make a judgement on the core gameplay of the game and all I can say about it is that it's INTENSE! I died several times at the beginning because it took me a while to figure out how easily you get killed by both the zombies but, and definitely not least, other players as well - if you aren't careful! It's relatively easy to sneak around both zombies and players but if you get overzealous (which we did, when we found a shotgun lol) you'll get into serious trouble and probably be shot or overrun by hordes of zombies. We got shot by some cunt who had heard us blasting through town with out new beloved shotgun, so he hid behind a fence and waited for us... It can be very frustrating to lose all your new gear, but that's part of what makes it so adrenaline-pumping.
Is it worth the $25? It depends on what you expect. I've been wanting a game like this for a long time without it being a mod based on a game I can't stand and so far I've had tons of fun with it, and I can't wait for them to improve on it.
Started the game today, played for several hours with some friends. Was a blast, can't wait to play it more and see what else they might add in. I didn't see any game breaking bugs so far, it seems polished enough for a beta.
Game seems quite arcadeish compared to Day-Z, the guys from the vid could care less about spraying their guns, like, firing a loud sniper has little to no consequence and there's plenty of ammo around.
I'd play this if it manages to be more action packed than dayz. I played dayz with 2-3 buddys and we always were fighting in elektro/tcherno. It was the most fun when there were other teams to play against. Then they patched the bug so zombies could hear 'normal' again, and restricted the respawn, what pretty much killed that.
So I hope this game will offer possibilities to have fun (= pvp) without running around 30minutes first. E.g. fighting/raiding other gangs strongholds.
On November 01 2012 04:57 DDie wrote: Game seems quite arcadeish compared to Day-Z, the guys from the vid could care less about spraying their guns, like, firing a loud sniper has little to no consequence and there's plenty of ammo around.
Also, softcore/hardcore modes are kinda lame.
Entirely true. Where DayZ is built on a military sim engine, this is not. Firing a loud sniper won't pull zombies from extremely far away, but it will pull them, and it WILL attract other players.
Plenty of ammo around? What the fuck? Where? I have to kill people to find ammo.
Edit: It appears you haven't played the game and have made a judgement based upon an edited video. Never mind.
Double Edit: I do wish it was a little less arcadey, though. I love DayZ almost specifically b/c of how it tries to be realistic.
Im watching a vod from brotatoes stream since i couldnt find any livestreams on twitch. dayz had some running streams. Im just 5 minutes in that game but i already hate that you can spawn with weapons from the global inventory and he had like 20 weapons there already. is this call of duty? thats so boring if you start already with weapons. Wheres the fun in finding weapons then and actually surviving if you can just respawn?
On November 01 2012 05:35 SpikeStarcraft wrote: Im watching a vod from brotatoes stream since i couldnt find any livestreams on twitch. dayz had some running streams. Im just 5 minutes in that game but i already hate that you can spawn with weapons from the global inventory and he had like 20 weapons there already. is this call of duty? thats so boring if you start already with weapons. Wheres the fun in finding weapons then and actually surviving if you can just respawn?
stupid concept.
Your initial character starts with nothing. Running around with your guy you can find more weapons than you can use, so you can go to certain zones which give you access to global inventory. You can place these weapons inside the global inventory and spawn your new guy with them. How is this different than a well hidden tent except you don't have to run forever if you get a bad spawn?
Edit: WarZ is also under NDA until Nov. 4th unless you have dev permission. So there's a reason you couldn't find a stream.
^It's different from a well-hidden tent because people can still find a well-hidden tent. The fact that it's even possible to start with weapons is a complete joke.
Speaking of which, how is this game itself not a complete joke?
They charge you 30 bucks for beta access? They charge you respawn faster? They charge you for weapons? In beta? All based on the most obviously stolen idea for a game, possibly ever? How can you possibly play this game and not realize that the developers of this game are literally only trying to make a quick buck?
To those saying you can find guns/ammo easy you are sooo very wrong. It is nearly impossible to find ammo and guns are infact yes rare. That being said I have been having soo much fun playing since this update, it is AMAZING!
Risen where you been bro? Are you going to start running with us again?
Edit: Just read the poster above me, they don't charge you to respawn faster to the best of my knowledge and they don't charge you for guns...You can not buy guns in this game? The hell are you talking about lol? The game isn't a joke stop being a troll and actually research the game, thanks. You can start with weapons IF you found them on other characters and saved them, which is fine for trading because Weapons/ammunition is soo extremely rare its not even funny.
They are trying to make money, that is correct when people make games it is usually to make money off of it. That is how business works to the best of my knowledge. If you think they are just trying to scam people for money you are sadly mistaken, they update the game nearly every day constantly do content updates and bug fixes constantly making it better. It seems really obvious you know nothing of this game and you are just trying to troll so please stop.
On November 01 2012 06:31 tsuxiit wrote: ^It's different from a well-hidden tent because people can still find a well-hidden tent. The fact that it's even possible to start with weapons is a complete joke.
Speaking of which, how is this game itself not a complete joke?
They charge you 30 bucks for beta access? They charge you respawn faster? They charge you for weapons? In beta? All based on the most obviously stolen idea for a game, possibly ever? How can you possibly play this game and not realize that the developers of this game are literally only trying to make a quick buck?
It's fairly clear you have no idea what you're talking about. I never had any of my tents accessed. They charge you thirty bucks for alpha access, beta access, and then the actual game. You do know the game costs money right? And you're pretty much pre-ordering by buying it early and getting into alpha/beta. But you continue on with your ignorance. They charge you respawn faster? Wtf is that about? I have no idea what you're talking about, but I actually PLAY the game. You clearly do not. Everything you spend in beta is refunded. So again, you have NO FUCKING CLUE what you're talking about.
How can you be such a fucking idiot. It blows my mind.
Edit: I've literally had time to log on and derp around for thirty minutes at a time between work/projects and shit for like a week straight. This weekend I wasn't able to get on at all between projects/magic shenans I was doing. Trying to find time to play games isn't as easy as I wish it was Should be calming down for me come November, though.
On November 01 2012 06:31 tsuxiit wrote: ^It's different from a well-hidden tent because people can still find a well-hidden tent. The fact that it's even possible to start with weapons is a complete joke.
Speaking of which, how is this game itself not a complete joke?
They charge you 30 bucks for beta access? They charge you respawn faster? They charge you for weapons? In beta? All based on the most obviously stolen idea for a game, possibly ever? How can you possibly play this game and not realize that the developers of this game are literally only trying to make a quick buck?
It's fairly clear you have no idea what you're talking about. I never had any of my tents accessed. They charge you thirty bucks for alpha access, beta access, and then the actual game. You do know the game costs money right? And you're pretty much pre-ordering by buying it early and getting into alpha/beta. But you continue on with your ignorance. They charge you respawn faster? Wtf is that about? I have no idea what you're talking about, but I actually PLAY the game. You clearly do not. Everything you spend in beta is refunded. So again, you have NO FUCKING CLUE what you're talking about.
How can you be such a fucking idiot. It blows my mind.
Risen, where have you been? Msg me on skype when you get on.
Edit: Since they optimized the game I went from having 20 fps to my cap of 80(I had 20 on LOW and now i have 80 on ultra)
I didn't read through all the pages but I just bought this game and I received receipt in my email, but nothing indicating how to install the game. I can't find anything on my account on the site either... any help would help
New patch which not only includes a bigger map but some optimizations here and there.
What do you guys think?
And to the people arguing about whether or not the developers are scamming you: You haven't bought a alpha/beta access, you've bought the final game when it's eventually released. The rest is just bonus and since they're patching it almost daily it's not really fair to make judgements on the game in its current state. Criticism? That's another matter and the sole reason why they're having an open alpha.
Love the new patch. Just had the issues yesterday with picking up items from the top shelf. And, lookie here, they fixed it the very next day. The new map area looks nice, will visit today for sure, see what can be looted from there. Also the tweaks to melee seem good, the range was pretty long before.
And to the people arguing about whether or not the developers are scamming you: You haven't bought a alpha/beta access, you've bought the final game when it's eventually released. The rest is just bonus and since they're patching it almost daily it's not really fair to make judgements on the game in its current state. Criticism? That's another matter and the sole reason why they're having an open alpha.
Yeah but the reason why so many people are complaining is that WarZ have kinda hyped itself up by matching itself towards DayZ. I remember in early interviews they said they had the same features and more. That was kinda shocking as DayZ is based on Arma 2 engine which have been in development for 10 years by geniouses in the industry. And now devs from Big Rigs and War Inc says they can do the same ?
But I tried out the game and is nothing like DayZ, nor do I think it is intended to beat DayZ. Its just a game of its own. Its like a huge fps shooter with zombies basicly. If that will create enough interest ? Who knows. I feel they haven't got any of the features that made DayZ fun. I don't think shooting alone will be enough.
And to the people arguing about whether or not the developers are scamming you: You haven't bought a alpha/beta access, you've bought the final game when it's eventually released. The rest is just bonus and since they're patching it almost daily it's not really fair to make judgements on the game in its current state. Criticism? That's another matter and the sole reason why they're having an open alpha.
Yeah but the reason why so many people are complaining is that WarZ have kinda hyped itself up by matching itself towards DayZ. I remember in early interviews they said they had the same features and more. That was kinda shocking as DayZ is based on Arma 2 engine which have been in development for 10 years by geniouses in the industry. And now devs from Big Rigs and War Inc says they can do the same ?
But I tried out the game and is nothing like DayZ, nor do I think it is intended to beat DayZ. Its just a game of its own. Its like a huge fps shooter with zombies basicly. If that will create enough interest ? Who knows. I feel they haven't got any of the features that made DayZ fun. I don't think shooting alone will be enough.
I'm confused by you when you say you don't think shooting alone will be enough. What other features are you talking about in DayZ? I don't remember any interviews saying they were trying to match DayZ. I think they've been saying it's a different game in the same genre all along. And as has already been debunked, it wasn't a Big Rigs dev, you're saying the same things that have already been shot down. Sigh... why do I even bother.
Anyways, logged on this morning for a quick spin around and damn the game runs so much more smoothly. Can't wait to make it out into uncharted territory
Going to have a mission into the new areas of the map tonight. If anyone would like to join us head over to the link in my sig for teamspeak details and if you would like to join the clan.
And to the people arguing about whether or not the developers are scamming you: You haven't bought a alpha/beta access, you've bought the final game when it's eventually released. The rest is just bonus and since they're patching it almost daily it's not really fair to make judgements on the game in its current state. Criticism? That's another matter and the sole reason why they're having an open alpha.
Yeah but the reason why so many people are complaining is that WarZ have kinda hyped itself up by matching itself towards DayZ. I remember in early interviews they said they had the same features and more. That was kinda shocking as DayZ is based on Arma 2 engine which have been in development for 10 years by geniouses in the industry. And now devs from Big Rigs and War Inc says they can do the same ?
But I tried out the game and is nothing like DayZ, nor do I think it is intended to beat DayZ. Its just a game of its own. Its like a huge fps shooter with zombies basicly. If that will create enough interest ? Who knows. I feel they haven't got any of the features that made DayZ fun. I don't think shooting alone will be enough.
You say things that have already been proven to be wrong but you don't read the rest of the thread so you still continue to say them, perhaps to stir up trouble or bait a response? This game isn't shooting alone and at the moment it does infact have more features than Day Z but they will be the same genre just with different things for the most part. Both games will be fine, but I just ask if you are going to make blatant statements and say controversial things, at least do your best to be informed/knowledgeable on the subject. The amount of people jumping on the hate wagon while knowing nothing of the actual game is frustrating to say the least.
Edit: I went over to the giant crashed plane today and it was absolutely amazing. The plane was giant and my squad ran into a squad of 6 other people there as well. We ended up winning the firefight after a hour or so and we took all of the loot before returning home.
Kamikiri in responding to Avean you did the same exact thing he did. He said he didn't like the game and listed why but not in depth. You countered by saying why you did like the game but didn't go in depth. You spent most of your post saying that he was wrong instead of listing how he was wrong.
Look, let me use myself as an example of an average person. I come to this thread once in a while and read up on it to see if it's looking like an interesting game. So far, all I'm seeing is a DayZ knockoff. I mean it may be fun like how Warfighter may be fun if you like Call of Duty. But for someone like me that's going to buy one or the other once they're finally released, I'm absolutely unconvinced I should buy this game.
On November 02 2012 07:44 Probe1 wrote: Kamikiri in responding to Avean you did the same exact thing he did. He said he didn't like the game and listed why but not in depth. You countered by saying why you did like the game but didn't go in depth. You spent most of your post saying that he was wrong instead of listing how he was wrong.
Look, let me use myself as an example of an average person. I come to this thread once in a while and read up on it to see if it's looking like an interesting game. So far, all I'm seeing is a DayZ knockoff. I mean it may be fun like how Warfighter may be fun if you like Call of Duty. But for someone like me that's going to buy one or the other once they're finally released, I'm absolutely unconvinced I should buy this game.
I don't feel the need to keep going into depth and trying to repeat things about the game when people repeat the same stuff. Ill start off by saying you can not pay to revive, you can not buy guns with money and the developer was already proven to not have worked on big rigs. As for why there is more than DayZ already: There are strongholds(basically your own stuff you can build) multiple settlements, gun and weapon attachments you find and actually attach to your weapons, actual leveling system with skill trees that give you benefits like sprinting longer, holding your breath longer while sniping etc etc. I just don't want to keep repeating stuff already said in the thread because one person comes in to bash the game. The game is a lot of fun the graphics are great but I am not going to post a long detailed reason why the game is good every time someone chooses to come in and troll. If you are curious about the game in depth than ask but every post defending against someone blindly bashing the game isn't going to go in depth.
It really is everything I wanted from DayZ but didnt get; A good engine, a good ui, shorter day/night cycle, non-clunky combat and a way to just jump in and play without having weird client version missmatches.
Lots of potential in this game imo. Having tons of fun with my friends.
Since its Alpha im not that worried about features. Clan/friend system coming next week, increased map size and then after that vehicles towards the end of the year.
So far, this game has been great. It's pretty much akin to DayZ but better executed (ArmA II Engine is... pretty limited). More functions to add later (friend system, market, servers, blah blah blah).
Some complaints:
-I KINDA wish primary weapons have a rifle butt melee function. I hated relying on a bat or hammer as a melee when that could've been a sidearm I could use. A PISTOL WHIP WOULD BE NICE TOO.
-Zombies are... really easy. They aren't hard once you know how to deal with them but the recent patches made them really... brain dead (no pun intended). Of course, they can always change this later. Right now they're only useful to help me find out if there is someone nearby.
-No easy way to go from left side to right side and vice versa in third person view. That really annoys me. you gotta go into TPS, zoom in with whatever you have and press F. Why can't I hit Q or something?
-Gunshots doesn't attract zombies from a certain distance. Nor do flashlights.
-Zombies can see you running even if there backs are turned towards you from a distance.
-Again, zombies being able to detect you if you're too close. If you run near a wall and theres a zombie on the other side of the wall, the zombie WILL hunt for you.
-The server browser isn't... that great. Good but needs improvements
-Even if the server says 37/40, 6/40 and you try to join, it will say its full. Sometimes you get randomly kicked out of a server.
Other then that, the game is fantastic. Add a party system, fix server browsers, friends list and we're golden!
After playing the game for a good 35+ hours I gotta say that I'm quite surprised at how good and fun this game was. This game has that arcade feel to it kinda. . .
My only real annoyance with the game, besides the hackers, is the animations of how your character moves and how the zombies move. Hopefully, they are working on better animations. Yes, I understand its Alpha . Very fun game and a pretty good time waster too. The game is hella fun with a group of friends.
On November 05 2012 06:40 Disengaged wrote: After playing the game for a good 35+ hours I gotta say that I'm quite surprised at how good and fun this game was. This game has that arcade feel to it kinda. . .
My only real annoyance with the game, besides the hackers, is the animations of how your character moves and how the zombies move. Hopefully, they are working on better animations. Yes, I understand its Alpha . Very fun game and a pretty good time waster too. The game is hella fun with a group of friends.
Any chance I could get another buddy key
I have a buddy key but im not sure which one it is - if you want to add me on skype Ill give you the keys and you can figure out which is which. I do agree with what you said about the animations, running just seems a little strange I can't quite put my finger on it. They did say they will be updating the animations though so that is good.
On November 04 2012 13:26 MiyaviTeddy wrote: So far, this game has been great. It's pretty much akin to DayZ but better executed (ArmA II Engine is... pretty limited). More functions to add later (friend system, market, servers, blah blah blah).
Some complaints:
-I KINDA wish primary weapons have a rifle butt melee function. I hated relying on a bat or hammer as a melee when that could've been a sidearm I could use. A PISTOL WHIP WOULD BE NICE TOO.
-Zombies are... really easy. They aren't hard once you know how to deal with them but the recent patches made them really... brain dead (no pun intended). Of course, they can always change this later. Right now they're only useful to help me find out if there is someone nearby.
-No easy way to go from left side to right side and vice versa in third person view. That really annoys me. you gotta go into TPS, zoom in with whatever you have and press F. Why can't I hit Q or something?
-Gunshots doesn't attract zombies from a certain distance. Nor do flashlights.
-Zombies can see you running even if there backs are turned towards you from a distance.
-Again, zombies being able to detect you if you're too close. If you run near a wall and theres a zombie on the other side of the wall, the zombie WILL hunt for you.
-The server browser isn't... that great. Good but needs improvements
-Even if the server says 37/40, 6/40 and you try to join, it will say its full. Sometimes you get randomly kicked out of a server.
Other then that, the game is fantastic. Add a party system, fix server browsers, friends list and we're golden!
How is WarZ better executed ? Have you really played DayZ ? For me I find WarZ to be awful and cant find anything that is done properly. I can post a list of stuff I find bad about WarZ, just some quick comments about DayZ. Yes DayZ has some issues with bad zombies and a difficult interface for beginners. But its a hella fun game that is running on an extremely advanced engine meant for military simulation. So combat and tactics in DayZ are unmatched at this point.
Now to WarZ:
- Movement is very bad. Sprinting requires stamina but its really jogging at best so movement are extremely slow here and non-realistic at all. - Animations are really bad all over, the only animation I can say is ok is prone position. The rest gets the player model twisted at torso. There is also no animation between changing weapons. - Inventory is very arcadeish, you can carry with you a lot of weapons. While in DayZ you can only carry stuff that actually FITS on you or in the backpack. And also in DayZ you actually see your stuff on the character that you have. - Instant heals..... that's a bad one. While in DayZ you are in world of hurt if you get damaged, here you can instant heal up with a Medkit or bandages. They actually HEAL you completely. Gone are the days while you are struggling to find matches and an axe and a animal to gut for meat so u can get some blood in your body again. - Combat...... players can endure a lot of hits and the shooting is very much just as an FPS shooter while in DayZ you have to be really smooth with your aiming and breathing.
DayZ is better than WarZ in every way. Also the map in WarZ is extremely small and narrow. In DayZ you really feel you have a 360 degree freedom which enables you to get past bandits easily. In WarZ ? Nope. There are already tons of bandits camping out safe areas which is so narrow in size that its impossible to escape.
Maybe WarZ will get better, but I have high doubts as it comes from the same guys that made War inc.
I've been really enjoying WarZ. Played it all day today and it's just been a lot of fun. I've finally started turning into a pro-survivor and I have enough weapons and ammo to last me. I've been playing like a bandit and killing everyone except one person that I've met. And for some reason WarZ reminds me of The Walking Dead, lol. That'd be cool to get a couple TLers together and commit some banditry across Colorado
Lol I fucking SUCK. The group was rolling around near the airplane and I got lit up along the side of the plane. I'm screaming, "Northern side of the fuselage!" but alas... a single dude takes out the guy behind me who walks right into his line of fire, and the other two who are looking around towards the road lol. We proceed to respawn and run into him like lemmings as our snipers sit on the hillside unable to do anything b/c they can't see him. Eventually he jumps into sight of one of the snipers and gets bopped. Pretty sure the guy had esp hacks since he knew where we were running in from every time and even managed to shoot us when we were in the burned woods area. Regardless, I should l2p or something.
Still a blast, even if he did use almost all my ammo he picked up off my/my teammates bodies to kill us over and over.
On November 05 2012 12:05 PaqMan wrote: I've been really enjoying WarZ. Played it all day today and it's just been a lot of fun. I've finally started turning into a pro-survivor and I have enough weapons and ammo to last me. I've been playing like a bandit and killing everyone except one person that I've met. And for some reason WarZ reminds me of The Walking Dead, lol. That'd be cool to get a couple TLers together and commit some banditry across Colorado
On November 04 2012 13:26 MiyaviTeddy wrote: ... a animal to gut for meat so u can get some blood in your body again.
Because this makes perfect sense...
As people have stated, this game is more arcade-ish than ARMA and then you come barging in saying the exact same things bother you and this is why the game sucks... but it's a different game with a different feel on a different engine. It isn't worse, it's different. No need to spew "facts" on why it sucks. I have complaints about it too, i just choose to look past them. Im pretty sure i would find lots i had against DayZ too if i played it, but if it was fun, i wouldn't care. Haters gonna hate.
Hey guys i'm tempted to try this, just have a few questions.
What does softcore means in this game? When you die you can respawn with all your stuff or you just kept your name?
How does the global inventory feels for a veteran of dayz? I loved having a camp with tents and the possibilty of loosing everything if someone found it. Global inventory feels very arcade and i don't like the idea of being capable to respawn full stuff if you have a squad running filling this inventory. No judgement here, just your opinion.
Alpha comes out, everyone bitches about it not functioning correctly... "facepalm" I have no idea why people release alphas or betas... It's such a ridiculous shitstorm of users crying over functionality... Grrr that frustrates me to the ends of earth itself.
On November 05 2012 21:03 esfr`Netsky wrote: Hey guys i'm tempted to try this, just have a few questions.
What does softcore means in this game? When you die you can respawn with all your stuff or you just kept your name?
How does the global inventory feels for a veteran of dayz? I loved having a camp with tents and the possibilty of loosing everything if someone found it. Global inventory feels very arcade and i don't like the idea of being capable to respawn full stuff if you have a squad running filling this inventory. No judgement here, just your opinion.
Softcore means when your character dies you don't have to remake him. You still lose all the stuff you had on him. Hardcore just means when you die you lose the character (there's going to be a system where you get skills in this game, so permadeath will have relevance)
The global inventory is arcadey. I describe it as having a tent that no one can find. When you respawn you can deck yourself out in stuff you have found.
This game is very different from DayZ, while being in the same genre. I still play both games, and I love both games. The animations aren't where they should be in this game, and honestly that's my only gripe with it at this point in time. Every week things have been changing and getting better and better. (Oh, and the map is so fucking huge that without cars in the game it takes hours to cross the map and it isn't fully released yet, so I can't wait for them to implement cars)
Like others have said, it's in alpha until the 30th, so continue to expect major changes. It's up to you if you want to buy it. I liken DayZ to as realistic a zombie horror game as you're likely to have (as someone pointed out gutting an animal doesn't emulate real life, morphine doesn't heal broken legs, etc) and WarZ takes the genre in a more arcade style direction (global inventory that can only be accessed from safe zones, so it's like a tent in that manner; zombies are more dangerous in WarZ, but not by much)
Pros and cons to both games. I like having access to both, and while I was just hoping this game would be something to hold me over until DayZ standalone, I've been having an absolute blast playing and will play BOTH when the standalone comes out.
My friends and I had a blast last night playing this game. I underestimated how much fun I was going to have with the game. Maybe it's because I've never played this genre of the game before. Our FPS skills definitely helped out a lot, just takes good communications and a fast reaction speed.
We went down to a compound, scavenged around and then all of the sudden we came down under fire from a group of 3. Right after the first shot I whipped around, saw their faces and outfits, once it clicked in my head they weren't friend- BAM, rained down on em like a crazy guy in a FFA DM CS server.
But then in Campos City (or w/e its called) we met one guy who "said" he was a friendly but then proceeded to gun him down heartlessly. That made me feel guilty ;_;
On November 04 2012 13:26 MiyaviTeddy wrote: So far, this game has been great. It's pretty much akin to DayZ but better executed (ArmA II Engine is... pretty limited). More functions to add later (friend system, market, servers, blah blah blah).
Some complaints:
-I KINDA wish primary weapons have a rifle butt melee function. I hated relying on a bat or hammer as a melee when that could've been a sidearm I could use. A PISTOL WHIP WOULD BE NICE TOO.
-Zombies are... really easy. They aren't hard once you know how to deal with them but the recent patches made them really... brain dead (no pun intended). Of course, they can always change this later. Right now they're only useful to help me find out if there is someone nearby.
-No easy way to go from left side to right side and vice versa in third person view. That really annoys me. you gotta go into TPS, zoom in with whatever you have and press F. Why can't I hit Q or something?
-Gunshots doesn't attract zombies from a certain distance. Nor do flashlights.
-Zombies can see you running even if there backs are turned towards you from a distance.
-Again, zombies being able to detect you if you're too close. If you run near a wall and theres a zombie on the other side of the wall, the zombie WILL hunt for you.
-The server browser isn't... that great. Good but needs improvements
-Even if the server says 37/40, 6/40 and you try to join, it will say its full. Sometimes you get randomly kicked out of a server.
Other then that, the game is fantastic. Add a party system, fix server browsers, friends list and we're golden!
How is WarZ better executed ? Have you really played DayZ ? For me I find WarZ to be awful and cant find anything that is done properly. I can post a list of stuff I find bad about WarZ, just some quick comments about DayZ. Yes DayZ has some issues with bad zombies and a difficult interface for beginners. But its a hella fun game that is running on an extremely advanced engine meant for military simulation. So combat and tactics in DayZ are unmatched at this point.
Now to WarZ:
- Movement is very bad. Sprinting requires stamina but its really jogging at best so movement are extremely slow here and non-realistic at all.
Actually, if you look at how fast your character moves, it's very close to how fast you'd move in real life. And stamina is actually a thing in real life so....
- Animations are really bad all over, the only animation I can say is ok is prone position. The rest gets the player model twisted at torso. There is also no animation between changing weapons.
No complaints here. The animations really need work, but thankfully I play in first person most of the time so it isn't an issue for me.
- Inventory is very arcadeish, you can carry with you a lot of weapons. While in DayZ you can only carry stuff that actually FITS on you or in the backpack. And also in DayZ you actually see your stuff on the character that you have.
100% correct. It's more arcadey than DayZ, but you seem to imply that this automatically makes it worse. I disagree. I like being able to carry a nice amount of stuff on me. I think this is in WarZ's favor, but you disagree and that's fine.
- Instant heals..... that's a bad one. While in DayZ you are in world of hurt if you get damaged, here you can instant heal up with a Medkit or bandages. They actually HEAL you completely. Gone are the days while you are struggling to find matches and an axe and a animal to gut for meat so u can get some blood in your body again.
As was pointed out I like how your example of realism is actually arcadey, but the majority point stands. DayZ is more realistic than WarZ. You make it sound like that's a bad thing, I disagree again. It didn't feel very realistic to me to be sitting there bandaging while zombies were wailing on me, and it doesn't feel realistic to me popping some pain pills in WarZ and having it heal me for a small amount instantly (scaling up to medkit which is a full heal). There's a pretty big difference between the games you ignore, though. In DayZ you can take a million hits from zombies and survive, in WarZ it's more like4-5 hits and you die. So you can't sit there bandaging yourself while zombies wail on you. Anyone shooting you in WarZ is going to kill you almost instantaneously. I like that in WarZ you are able to use your items to heal yourself immediately. So gone are the days when you had to search for matches and walk uphill through the snow both ways. Why is this bad, again? You still have to search for food very often, b/c food drains FAST and it isn't that common of a spawn. It's actually kind of rare and you have to put yourself in very risky situations to go and find more.
- Combat...... players can endure a lot of hits and the shooting is very much just as an FPS shooter while in DayZ you have to be really smooth with your aiming and breathing.
I disagree here very much. Skill with aiming in WarZ plays a very large factor. Sniping in DayZ is slightly more difficult in my opinion than in warz, but WarZ's aiming with the assault rifles are harder than anything in DayZ for me. Also, how many times does it take for you to hit someone and kill them in WarZ? It takes 3-4 bullets from an m4 to kill for me, and usually 1 from a sniper unless I'm bad and clip their foot or something (this doesn't take into account that if they're wearing body armor I have to shoot them more or not hit them directly in the body in WarZ). Maybe you need to work on your aim a little and stop blaming the game?
DayZ is better than WarZ in every way.
They're entirely different games, and you're being biased. If you're looking for a realistic game that leaves out anything arcadey in any feasible way, DayZ is the game for you. If you're looking for something a little more relaxed (more difficult in some ways, less difficult in others, I say more relaxed b/c having a tent no one can steal from is awesome, but definitely less stressful) then WarZ might be the game for you instead. Different games, same genre.
Also the map in WarZ is extremely small and narrow.
I like how you say this in an alpha when like 50% of the map has been released thus far and it still takes hours to cross the map. I have no idea why you think the map is extremely small and narrow. Maybe you're judging the game from when it had only released 20-30% of it's map? Yeah, you right man. This is one of the dumbest things in your post and is just plain wrong. Everything else I've been able to brush off as opinion, but don't listen to him on this. Just wrong.
In DayZ you really feel you have a 360 degree freedom which enables you to get past bandits easily. In WarZ ? Nope. There are already tons of bandits camping out safe areas which is so narrow in size that its impossible to escape.
I have yet to be camped in a safe zone or killed entering/leaving a safe zone. Again, get better? Also, I like how someone who's played DayZ and HAS to have experience what Cherno/Elektro can be like complains about any form of camping lol.
Maybe WarZ will get better, but I have high doubts as it comes from the same guys that made War inc.
An opinion you're entitled to. I've been playing this game for some time now and if you look at the post I made right off the bat to when I bought and started playing the game you can see a huge difference. I've watched the game become something that, if released right now, I would have no problem playing and is well worth the 30 I dropped on it.[/QUOTE]
On November 06 2012 00:08 Snuggles wrote: My friends and I had a blast last night playing this game. I underestimated how much fun I was going to have with the game. Maybe it's because I've never played this genre of the game before. Our FPS skills definitely helped out a lot, just takes good communications and a fast reaction speed.
We went down to a compound, scavenged around and then all of the sudden we came down under fire from a group of 3. Right after the first shot I whipped around, saw their faces and outfits, once it clicked in my head they weren't friend- BAM, rained down on em like a crazy guy in a FFA DM CS server.
But then in Campos City (or w/e its called) we met one guy who "said" he was a friendly but then proceeded to gun him down heartlessly. That made me feel guilty ;_;
When in a group you can trust no one. Anyone smart will run if they see a group. I play very differently when I'm solo, though. I don't mind trusting people when I'm solo, and I'd say 4 out of 5 times the person stabs me in the back, but I AM NOT A BANDIT SOLOOOOOOOOO. Yeah, guilt sucks T_T
I'M SORRY GUY I UNLOADED INTO WHEN I TURNED THE CORNER I THOUGHT YOU WERE A ZOMBIE FORGIVE MEEEEEEEEEE :'(
I'm not sure if this is allowed, my apologies if it isn't , but I really REALLY want to try this game, if anyone has a buddy key they would like to trade for a HOTS key or SC2, please PM me, thanks!
On November 06 2012 00:29 GGzerG wrote: I'm not sure if this is allowed, my apologies if it isn't , but I really REALLY want to try this game, if anyone has a buddy key they would like to trade for a HOTS key or SC2, please PM me, thanks!
No need for the HotS key, I won't play, for some reason it didn't click when you PMd me. Sent you a guest key.
On November 06 2012 00:29 GGzerG wrote: I'm not sure if this is allowed, my apologies if it isn't , but I really REALLY want to try this game, if anyone has a buddy key they would like to trade for a HOTS key or SC2, please PM me, thanks!
No need for the HotS key, I won't play, for some reason it didn't click when you PMd me. Sent you a guest key.
Thank you so much!!! I can't figure out where to enter a key to DL and play though.. so confused. :-P
On November 04 2012 13:26 MiyaviTeddy wrote: So far, this game has been great. It's pretty much akin to DayZ but better executed (ArmA II Engine is... pretty limited). More functions to add later (friend system, market, servers, blah blah blah).
Some complaints:
-I KINDA wish primary weapons have a rifle butt melee function. I hated relying on a bat or hammer as a melee when that could've been a sidearm I could use. A PISTOL WHIP WOULD BE NICE TOO.
-Zombies are... really easy. They aren't hard once you know how to deal with them but the recent patches made them really... brain dead (no pun intended). Of course, they can always change this later. Right now they're only useful to help me find out if there is someone nearby.
-No easy way to go from left side to right side and vice versa in third person view. That really annoys me. you gotta go into TPS, zoom in with whatever you have and press F. Why can't I hit Q or something?
-Gunshots doesn't attract zombies from a certain distance. Nor do flashlights.
-Zombies can see you running even if there backs are turned towards you from a distance.
-Again, zombies being able to detect you if you're too close. If you run near a wall and theres a zombie on the other side of the wall, the zombie WILL hunt for you.
-The server browser isn't... that great. Good but needs improvements
-Even if the server says 37/40, 6/40 and you try to join, it will say its full. Sometimes you get randomly kicked out of a server.
Other then that, the game is fantastic. Add a party system, fix server browsers, friends list and we're golden!
How is WarZ better executed ? Have you really played DayZ ? For me I find WarZ to be awful and cant find anything that is done properly. I can post a list of stuff I find bad about WarZ, just some quick comments about DayZ. Yes DayZ has some issues with bad zombies and a difficult interface for beginners. But its a hella fun game that is running on an extremely advanced engine meant for military simulation. So combat and tactics in DayZ are unmatched at this point.
Now to WarZ:
- Movement is very bad. Sprinting requires stamina but its really jogging at best so movement are extremely slow here and non-realistic at all. - Animations are really bad all over, the only animation I can say is ok is prone position. The rest gets the player model twisted at torso. There is also no animation between changing weapons. - Inventory is very arcadeish, you can carry with you a lot of weapons. While in DayZ you can only carry stuff that actually FITS on you or in the backpack. And also in DayZ you actually see your stuff on the character that you have. - Instant heals..... that's a bad one. While in DayZ you are in world of hurt if you get damaged, here you can instant heal up with a Medkit or bandages. They actually HEAL you completely. Gone are the days while you are struggling to find matches and an axe and a animal to gut for meat so u can get some blood in your body again. - Combat...... players can endure a lot of hits and the shooting is very much just as an FPS shooter while in DayZ you have to be really smooth with your aiming and breathing.
DayZ is better than WarZ in every way. Also the map in WarZ is extremely small and narrow. In DayZ you really feel you have a 360 degree freedom which enables you to get past bandits easily. In WarZ ? Nope. There are already tons of bandits camping out safe areas which is so narrow in size that its impossible to escape.
Maybe WarZ will get better, but I have high doubts as it comes from the same guys that made War inc.
Players can't endure alot of hits, they die incredibly fast but there is body armor that makes you slightly more tanky, so that is half true.
Rest of your points is just subjective. I find it highly amusing that you complain about animations when comparing it to dayZ which is a complete joke in that department. I don't really agree that just because its realistic = good gameplay, like your backpack/inventory point.
Then again WarZ isn't trying to be a survival simulator like DayZ, its trying to be a survivor game, so they're designing it with good/non-frustrating gameplay in mind, not purely realistic gameplay.
Hi if you are interested in grouping up and working together with me and some others in this game send me a skype request at " TelecomRG " , We should get a TL server set up or something so people can play / work together without being mass killed by these bandits ! gl hf thanks
I have no idea why people would hack on regular accounts. The buddy accounts, sure, but they're banning hackers and you aren't getting your account back come release.
Edit: Also lirik has been streaming the game for a bit now. I find him to be pretty funny
Had an epic night tonight, got in a firefight with a squad of 9 people(my squad has 8) and we ended up killing all of them and coming out ahead with a TON of military grade weapons, rangefinders, NVG's and a lot of ammunition. Also got two of the rarest guns in the games, Masada and a imi-tar21.
On November 09 2012 21:47 ROOTdrewbie wrote: owning it up like no one else, Kamikiri we challenge u and your 7 friends to a duel
If you are down, before they do the wipe we will supply you and whoever you're with, with guns and we can have a massive ffa deathmatch. We have plenty of guns, supplies, ammunition and body armor for everyone.
Also until then if you need anything let me know, we have extra stuff you can take.
wow this is pointless playing alone, i just finally found a gun and almsot made it back to safe zone when some guy comes out of nowhere and kills me in 2 seconds.
I kill people on sight with all my chars except one. I made a rule for myself that whenever I play with that character I cannot kill another human without good reason. lol.It's pretty fun and I haven't died so far.
On November 11 2012 08:40 Xiron wrote: Guys, buy or no buy?
how does this game compare to day z? i mean it srsly look like a complete copy of the game with a few changes and better weapon sounds. (really love the sniper fire in a empty town. the echoe of it is so realistic.)
i might consider buying it just to keep me interested untill day z standalone comes out. is the game still in alpha or beta?
On November 11 2012 08:26 TuckFexas wrote: is it me, or is the playerbase or warz 98% assholes who kill you on sight?
thats the purpose of the game, isn't it?
well, thats the purpose of any FPS game you play regardless of how team based it is. if there not on ur team there your enemy. if there your enemy kill on sight.
On November 11 2012 10:03 Meatex wrote: wait for dayz standalone micro transactions totally ruin things imo
Have you played the game? The stuff you buy with GC are thing like bats, food, masks. Is it giving you an advantage over people who pay nothing? Yeah. For all of 5 minutes it takes to find those things in game.
On November 11 2012 08:40 Xiron wrote: Guys, buy or no buy?
I'd buy for sure. What you mostly have in this thread are the very few who played it and didn't find it to their liking (read their reviews and see if their criticisms resonate with you), the more who haven't played it and don't know what they're talking about, and the many who play it and enjoy it.
At this point I find it much more enjoyable than DayZ. I'll be buying DayZ standalone when it comes out, anyways, though. Both games are very much worth the money to me.
massive potential in this game, definite buy. I've been mostly solo so far and its tough shit when i run into 3+ guys. The game at this stage forces you to be a bandit (they haven't added like 70% of features yet) since there aren't any consequences so far for banditry, so player interactions come down to run away, shoot or get shot on sight. Still, game's been a blast. Skype btan887 if anyone here wants to team up!
On November 11 2012 19:55 DBHErazor wrote: Don´t waste ur money on this trash. It´s so damn poor it´s not even funny. It has nothing of the suspense and intense action that DayZ brings tbh
give reasons. u cant just trash on a game without giving legit/valid reasons. from what ive seen it is pretty much the same as day z minus the vehicles and with a better physics/graphics engine. i can see better improvements over day z with the back pack machanics and the way loot drops alone. altho day z is admittedly held back ALOT by the arma 2 engine.
On November 11 2012 19:55 DBHErazor wrote: Don´t waste ur money on this trash. It´s so damn poor it´s not even funny. It has nothing of the suspense and intense action that DayZ brings tbh
I've had plenty suspenseful and intense action moments in WarZ.
Well I have to agree with Erazor on this one. If you have DayZ then I really see no reason to buy this. Its a more simplified and smaller arcade version of DayZ. Both have persistent worlds where youre goals are to survive against zombies and players. But WarZ lack VOIP which made DayZ hilarious fun and exciting, it also lacks vehicles and aircrafts. With the state of the game now with really ackward animations and sound many places I really doubt they will rease that anytime soon, and what about part and repair system ? Or even health system ? Right now u use bandages and medpacks to heal instantly ........ ive not seen that since old Doom and Quake in the 90's. No broken bones, getting a cold or just in general. WarZ is lacking TONS of features.
Also theyre world right now is kinda small and not the 360 degree freedom as DayZ right now. For me I thought WarZ was just terrible..... its base mechanics is from a really bad shooter (War Inc) and some say these are the same guys behind Big Rigs game (Another terrible game). So to expect these guys to make something like DayZ which is based upon Arma engine which is extremely good and advanced ..... well that's pretty far fetched.
DayZ has its bugs and stupid stuff but WarZ takes the cake easily .........
Ive played DayZ since it's old days, and in the last weekend I've got myself a beta guest key (48h only). I have to say, I had no fun at all playing WarZ. Some minor good points can be taken from this Alpha state, but man, It's not worth the money (for its current state at least).
(WarZ) Pros: - Nice environment, with two big cities worth exploring. - Nice Inventory system
Cons: - Lamed Zombies, easily dodged - No Health System - Weird camera settings, no 360º view - No vehicles - No Ingame Voice chat - New characthers start with map - Some major bugs..
I really loved dayz, and I'm really anxious for Standalone. If you are new to this gendre, go play WarZ you will enjoy it. If are "old-school" and a former, current DayZ player, it's not worth it.. At all
On November 12 2012 12:47 HyDrA_solic wrote: Ive played DayZ since it's old days, and in the last weekend I've got myself a beta guest key (48h only). I have to say, I had no fun at all playing WarZ. Some minor good points can be taken from this Alpha state, but man, It's not worth the money (for its current state at least).
(WarZ) Pros: - Nice environment, with two big cities worth exploring. - Nice Inventory system
Cons: - Lamed Zombies, easily dodged - No Health System - Weird camera settings, no 360º view - No vehicles - No Ingame Voice chat - New characthers start with map - Some major bugs..
I really loved dayz, and I'm really anxious for Standalone. If you are new to this gendre, go play WarZ you will enjoy it. If are "old-school" and a former, current DayZ player, it's not worth it.. At all
I play both. I've played DayZ for quite a while (actually only about 6 months, but for DayZ that seems like a while to me). I disagree, but at least you listed pros and cons unlike many.
On November 12 2012 05:17 Avean wrote: Well I have to agree with Erazor on this one. If you have DayZ then I really see no reason to buy this. Its a more simplified and smaller arcade version of DayZ. Both have persistent worlds where youre goals are to survive against zombies and players. But WarZ lack VOIP which made DayZ hilarious fun and exciting, it also lacks vehicles and aircrafts. With the state of the game now with really ackward animations and sound many places I really doubt they will rease that anytime soon, and what about part and repair system ? Or even health system ? Right now u use bandages and medpacks to heal instantly ........ ive not seen that since old Doom and Quake in the 90's. No broken bones, getting a cold or just in general. WarZ is lacking TONS of features.
Also theyre world right now is kinda small and not the 360 degree freedom as DayZ right now. For me I thought WarZ was just terrible..... its base mechanics is from a really bad shooter (War Inc) and some say these are the same guys behind Big Rigs game (Another terrible game). So to expect these guys to make something like DayZ which is based upon Arma engine which is extremely good and advanced ..... well that's pretty far fetched.
DayZ has its bugs and stupid stuff but WarZ takes the cake easily .........
DayZ wasn't perfect when it first came out and yet its still in Alpha with the standalone not too far away. Maybe. WarZ has done better in Alpha for the short amount of time that its been released to get the point across. All thats holding it back is the time to get stuff implemented, changed, etc.
Both games are fun in their own right.
I will comment on one of Hydra's cons. That is "no 360 degree view", I feel not having that is better and leads to more suspenseful moments because you actually have slow down to turn around to look behind you and scan your surroundings to see if your being followed instead of just doing the 360 degree view while running with almost no danger at all.
On November 12 2012 05:17 Avean wrote: Well I have to agree with Erazor on this one. If you have DayZ then I really see no reason to buy this. Its a more simplified and smaller arcade version of DayZ. Both have persistent worlds where youre goals are to survive against zombies and players. But WarZ lack VOIP which made DayZ hilarious fun and exciting, it also lacks vehicles and aircrafts. With the state of the game now with really ackward animations and sound many places I really doubt they will rease that anytime soon, and what about part and repair system ? Or even health system ? Right now u use bandages and medpacks to heal instantly ........ ive not seen that since old Doom and Quake in the 90's. No broken bones, getting a cold or just in general. WarZ is lacking TONS of features.
Also theyre world right now is kinda small and not the 360 degree freedom as DayZ right now. For me I thought WarZ was just terrible..... its base mechanics is from a really bad shooter (War Inc) and some say these are the same guys behind Big Rigs game (Another terrible game). So to expect these guys to make something like DayZ which is based upon Arma engine which is extremely good and advanced ..... well that's pretty far fetched.
DayZ has its bugs and stupid stuff but WarZ takes the cake easily .........
in other words one is a game and one is a survivor sim? idk guys. i have played day z but only seen vods/streams of war z and i dont see any reason to not buy it. all of the reasons u mentioned for example are all features that will more than likely be implemented at official release like the vehicles and aircraft.
as for the bandages/broken bones. those could also be released at launch or it could just be the fact that war z is not trying to be a realistic survival simulator like day z is. i just cannot deal with bugged zombies and hackers in day z anymore. its literally killing the game atm.
i might just suck it up and buy the game, but i really dont want to waste money again...
IMO from what i HAVE seen tho the game looks to be in alot better shape as a alpha game then day z ever was as alpha. but again that is mainly because of arma 2s trash engine.
Man this game is so wild. Just ran around in Campos city with 7 friends going yolo mode. in the end 5 of us died, but we killed about 13 ppl. so much loot.
Number of places, really. Most of em can be found around the hill in Clearview. Me and a bunch of friends were using this one spot on the hill (the rocky area) to pool our items together, then I just walk off to the side (the slit area) and instantly die. My friends tried to salvage my gear, and one of them died also. lol.
On another note. I felt like this game wasnt worth 20bucks. Congrats to the game devs though. They managed to squeeze that money on me thanks to the Day Z hype. Gonna have to wait for the stand alone.
On November 13 2012 16:14 Emnjay808 wrote: Number of places, really. Most of em can be found around the hill in Clearview. Me and a bunch of friends were using this one spot on the hill (the rocky area) to pool our items together, then I just walk off to the side (the slit area) and instantly die. My friends tried to salvage my gear, and one of them died also. lol.
On another note. I felt like this game wasnt worth 20bucks. Congrats to the game devs though. They managed to squeeze that money on me thanks to the Day Z hype. Gonna have to wait for the stand alone.
I feel like the game was definitely worth the money I spent on it. I have had a lot of fun with it, I did with Day Z as well but atm I enjoy War Z a lot more. It is still in Alpha though so a lot of these bugs will be fixed so I am not too worried about it.
DayZ is way too simmy for me. War Z is very unforgiving compared to all other FPS games, but Day Z is so unforgiving, its actually not enjoyable. The CONCEPT of DayZ is enjoyable - but I never had any fun playing it.
WarZ on the other hand is a bit easier to get into, not as frustrating, and still packs all the "OH SHIT" moments. I've been loving it since I got it, and knowing it is only an Alpha - I can't wait for more
Those weird random noises that come up.. do those mean there is another player neaby? Or are they just to scare me?
On a sidenote.. Today I walked into Clearview for the very first time.. being very carefull, I managed to get in the middle of the town, pissing myself when hearing shots.. Then after half an hour or so.... I look at the stream on the other monitor for like 10 seconds, meanwhile I'm getting shot by a sniper
On another note. I felt like this game wasnt worth 20bucks. Congrats to the game devs though. They managed to squeeze that money on me thanks to the Day Z hype. Gonna have to wait for the stand alone.
War Z isnt even near finished so how can you evaluate if the 20$ were worth it?
I was under the impression this game is in the beta phase right now, but people are saying it's still in alpha phase? And IGN doesn't even have this listed as an upcoming game anymore, it has a release date of 10/31/2012... Which means the game has already been released...? I am a bit confused. Can someone clarify? I loved the concept of Day-Z but I couldn't stand the bugginess and glitches, so I don't want to start playing another game in it's alpha stage. I'll just wait for the final product.
I just got the game and its ton of fun I helped like 10 people in EU 198 server got them shotguns,binocs,packs etc. Is there any way to add friends in this game ?
To you guys who aren't happy with paying $20 for this game:
If you actually paid $20 for the game as it is I would understand you, but you haven't got the actual game you've paid for yet, and you knew that when you signed up for this. You've paid $20 for the finished product some where down the line, and privileges to be in the alpha and beta.
On November 14 2012 20:01 Severus_ wrote: I just got the game and its ton of fun I helped like 10 people in EU 198 server got them shotguns,binocs,packs etc. Is there any way to add friends in this game ?
just a fair warning to anyone looking to buy, the game is GREAT, it's mad fun, but unfortunately it is INFESTED with hackers. Try a simple wallhack and go hide somewhere in clearview... half the players will look at you straight thru walls, noclip thru floors and walls, tons of aimbots...
not sure how they can fight this but it's getting out of control at the moment, it doesnt seem bad when youre playing legit, but turn on some walls (easily googled) and you realize that about half the players are cheating
On November 15 2012 13:59 pb.fcnz wrote: just a fair warning to anyone looking to buy, the game is GREAT, it's mad fun, but unfortunately it is INFESTED with hackers. Try a simple wallhack and go hide somewhere in clearview... half the players will look at you straight thru walls, noclip thru floors and walls, tons of aimbots...
not sure how they can fight this but it's getting out of control at the moment, it doesnt seem bad when youre playing legit, but turn on some walls (easily googled) and you realize that about half the players are cheating
Yeah, hackers are kind of a pain in the ass atm. Luckily the Devs are doing something about it - they said by the time beta is released they hope to have dealt with a majority of the hacks.
It's a good thing every credible game hits their timeframe for going between testing phases and release. What kind of scamming dev team ever postpones deadlines?
Yah I've been to Norad and the weather station. Norad looks really cool, but not much there in regards to spawns... I still feel people will camp Echo Compound.
Heading to the town south west of the weather station now
On November 28 2012 20:34 liberate71 wrote: Yah I've been to Norad and the weather station. Norad looks really cool, but not much there in regards to spawns... I still feel people will camp Echo Compound.
Heading to the town south west of the weather station now
The anti-cheat system didn't last very long...Hackers are back again sadly.
My squad and I lost 4 Nightstalkers, 1 Scar, 1 Masada, 1 Honey badger, 2 AWM magnums and 3 m107's Along with a ton of ammo, MANY MANY attachments, 4 NVGs and 2 military rucks.
This is the best of the best we have saved up over a month and a half of playing and just stashing the valuable shit. The Devs said on the forums they were rolling out an Anti-Cheat so there wouldn't be hackers after the patch, we believed them and just lost everything we've been saving up, for this moment. Atleast we did get into 2 squad fights and killed them before we met hackers.
Scam Z paid off. The hit and run was Super Effective.
I feel like a mad sucker for buying this game. At the start I didnt want to, just by reading circulating rumors about the game developement, or lack thereof. But my friends all bought it and said they loved it, so I got pulled in too. Only took me a couple of days before I realized it was shit.
IMO this game is more like a Survival MMO rather than a Survival Simulator that Day Z is. Its best to not even compare the two games. Idk how the developers can think they can take a completely different game and try to pull off what Day Z has done.
What a horrible bunch of people the guys behind WarZ are, makes me want to see what Rocket does in standalone all the more.
This guy is just a childish mod spouting bullshit. I am kinda mad at WarZ due to the fact that they haven't fixed hackers yet but i'm not going to believe every little bit of bullshit that is said against the game. Why would a simple volunteer forum mod have that kind of information? He wouldn't, it is pretty clear he is just angry and childish making shit up. Their reputation as a company and their other game War Inc. would die off if they actually did something like that. Believing that post is just looking for reasons to bash the game IMO.
What a horrible bunch of people the guys behind WarZ are, makes me want to see what Rocket does in standalone all the more.
This guy is just a childish mod spouting bullshit. I am kinda mad at WarZ due to the fact that they haven't fixed hackers yet but i'm not going to believe every little bit of bullshit that is said against the game. Why would a simple volunteer forum mod have that kind of information? He wouldn't, it is pretty clear he is just angry and childish making shit up. Their reputation as a company and their other game War Inc. would die off if they actually did something like that. Believing that post is just looking for reasons to bash the game IMO.
And if you keep reading that thread it's the same stuff that's posted everywhere else. The game itself is a pile of shit and a massive scam. Keep defending it if you'd like but there's no way there's this many people that are just "childish mods".
What a horrible bunch of people the guys behind WarZ are, makes me want to see what Rocket does in standalone all the more.
This guy is just a childish mod spouting bullshit. I am kinda mad at WarZ due to the fact that they haven't fixed hackers yet but i'm not going to believe every little bit of bullshit that is said against the game. Why would a simple volunteer forum mod have that kind of information? He wouldn't, it is pretty clear he is just angry and childish making shit up. Their reputation as a company and their other game War Inc. would die off if they actually did something like that. Believing that post is just looking for reasons to bash the game IMO.
And if you keep reading that thread it's the same stuff that's posted everywhere else. The game itself is a pile of shit and a massive scam. Keep defending it if you'd like but there's no way there's this many people that are just "childish mods".
Actually, I am not defending the game, I don't play the game nor do I plan on continuing to play the game at least until some changes are made. I just don't think it is entirely fair to grasp on to something that is obviously not true and use it as an attempt to continuously bash the game. I don't like the Dev's and I am upset with the current state of the game but because of that I am not going to be completely biased and believe every negative word said about the game.
Also when and where did I say anyone who bashes the game is a childish mod? I was referring to the stuff said by the guy who was a volunteer mod and was demodded.
On November 29 2012 10:04 acker wrote: Any thoughts on the new clan system?
I enjoy the clan System, its something I felt that DayZ should have had when I was playing it with my squad. Even with the realism of DayZ because if you look at your friend you can tell who they are, in games it isn't the same.
It puts a blue marker over your clan members heads making it very easy to communicate and coordinate things. That being said I am not playing the game atm due to how rampant hackers are. We earned some AMAZING guns that are extremely rare playing completely legit and we lost everything to one hacker.
I realize a wipe is happening soon and we would lose it anyways, but we saved up the rarest stuff we could find so we could go out with it when hackers were suppose to be "fixed" atleast temporarily. The moment we went out, after a couple actual squad engagements a single player who was flying and hacking killed us all within 1.5 seconds. I lost all urge to play this game until they do something about it.
That being said, hackers are my biggest complaint. Overall I find the game to be very fun and immersing.
What a horrible bunch of people the guys behind WarZ are, makes me want to see what Rocket does in standalone all the more.
This guy has a website?
Lolwat.
The amount of bullshit thats just spewing out from him is laughable. This guy tried coming into a very popular wow stream, a guy named Towellie, and he was playing WarZ at the time. This guy was just spouting nonsense after nonsense, bashing the game and kept on repeating the same stuff over and over. Towellie destroyed him. Destroyed him so much in the "WarZ scam" arguement that the guy had to resort to "meet me in real life and ill beat ur ass" and "LOLUMAD?," when it was clear that he was the one that was mad and Towellie just kept his cool.
I wouldn't believe a guy whose a keyboard warrior. Resorting to the "meet me and ill beat ur ass" and couldn't state more "facts" in Towellies channel about the "WarZ scam,". He kept repeating the same "facts" over and over"
I had so much fun playing during the last hour before the wipe. We were held down inside of the firestation at clearview, we must have killed atleast 30 people lol. It was insane, rocket launchers going off everywhere, snipers shooting at us from all directions. We finally got naded and rushed by a few people and killed it was such an adrenaline rush.
What a horrible bunch of people the guys behind WarZ are, makes me want to see what Rocket does in standalone all the more.
This guy has a website?
Lolwat.
The amount of bullshit thats just spewing out from him is laughable. This guy tried coming into a very popular wow stream, a guy named Towellie, and he was playing WarZ at the time. This guy was just spouting nonsense after nonsense, bashing the game and kept on repeating the same stuff over and over. Towellie destroyed him. Destroyed him so much in the "WarZ scam" arguement that the guy had to resort to "meet me in real life and ill beat ur ass" and "LOLUMAD?," when it was clear that he was the one that was mad and Towellie just kept his cool.
I wouldn't believe a guy whose a keyboard warrior. Resorting to the "meet me and ill beat ur ass" and couldn't state more "facts" in Towellies channel about the "WarZ scam,". He kept repeating the same "facts" over and over"
If you had read what was posted, it's an ex-WarZ mod not Rhinocrunch. The same thing was posted on Reddit about half a week ago too, and the person was validated as one.
What a horrible bunch of people the guys behind WarZ are, makes me want to see what Rocket does in standalone all the more.
This guy has a website?
Lolwat.
The amount of bullshit thats just spewing out from him is laughable. This guy tried coming into a very popular wow stream, a guy named Towellie, and he was playing WarZ at the time. This guy was just spouting nonsense after nonsense, bashing the game and kept on repeating the same stuff over and over. Towellie destroyed him. Destroyed him so much in the "WarZ scam" arguement that the guy had to resort to "meet me in real life and ill beat ur ass" and "LOLUMAD?," when it was clear that he was the one that was mad and Towellie just kept his cool.
I wouldn't believe a guy whose a keyboard warrior. Resorting to the "meet me and ill beat ur ass" and couldn't state more "facts" in Towellies channel about the "WarZ scam,". He kept repeating the same "facts" over and over"
If you had read what was posted, it's an ex-WarZ mod not Rhinocrunch. The same thing was posted on Reddit about half a week ago too, and the person was validated as one.
The stuff he was saying was complete and utter bullshit though and very few people who actually looked into it believe it. Why would a forum mod have any of the information this guy had? Also the devs have been proving that they are working to make the game better, have been communicating with us letting us know their plans and whats going on. Honestly it just seems like some mad guy trying to bash the reputation of a game already suffering from massive amounts of hate.
The post-threatening legal sounding letter truth probably.
Also, the WarZ subreddit even stole the style and formatting from the dayZ subreddit! (WarZ peeps run the subreddit).
Does it really matter if the subreddits style and formatting is similar? Both games are fun and I will be playing both but I think WarZ is a fun game and the devs have been improving the game a lot.
Edit: The same person designed both subreddits apparently from what I found looking it up.
The post-threatening legal sounding letter truth probably.
Also, the WarZ subreddit even stole the style and formatting from the dayZ subreddit! (WarZ peeps run the subreddit).
Does it really matter if the subreddits style and formatting is similar? Both games are fun and I will be playing both but I think WarZ is a fun game and the devs have been improving the game a lot.
Edit: The same person designed both subreddits apparently from what I found looking it up.
Doesn't matter. It's just hilarious given the history of WarZ, that's all.
From DayZ Reddit. I'm pretty sure "December 4, 2012" is not a patch note, though I might be mistaken. From artist notes, looks like it was a rushed job...though I don't understand why he'd do something like this.
Last edit: I see what he did there. Look at top right corner of each subreddit.
It is silly that when you search for servers on WarZ, there is a section in the bottom right identical in wording to DayZ Commander (Nameplate, Tracers, Crosshair). There is not even refresh server list option (you'd have to click on servers again to get it to refresh)! There is so much broken in this game. I got it for free last week (which i'm actually not complaining about), logged in about 5-10 hours and I must say..... PRETTY SHITTY. On the bright side, if the game does turn out decent i'll still have an account. That is if it doesn't get banned or hacked or whatever.
Out of ALL the aggravating shit in this game is the map. The majority of towns are terribly good for pvf (player vs fresh spawn). You can't go around some areas and entrances to areas are funneled which is perfect for camping. Zombie agro was terrible too. They can see you so good at night, and they fucking walk and BREATHE retarded. This game makes me rage like I did for MW2 -__- They also missed beta release by few days with no announcement in change of schedule, buwahhaha. Other games miss their deadlines, but atleast there is some communication going on.
In the meantime... i'm playing wasteland on arma2, pretty fun!
On December 05 2012 14:36 acidstormy wrote: It is silly that when you search for servers on WarZ, there is a section in the bottom right identical in wording to DayZ Commander (Nameplate, Tracers, Crosshair). There is not even refresh server list option (you'd have to click on servers again to get it to refresh)! There is so much broken in this game. I got it for free last week (which i'm actually not complaining about), logged in about 5-10 hours and I must say..... PRETTY SHITTY. On the bright side, if the game does turn out decent i'll still have an account. That is if it doesn't get banned or hacked or whatever.
Out of ALL the aggravating shit in this game is the map. The majority of towns are terribly good for pvf (player vs fresh spawn). You can't go around some areas and entrances to areas are funneled which is perfect for camping. Zombie agro was terrible too. They can see you so good at night, and they fucking walk and BREATHE retarded. This game makes me rage like I did for MW2 -__- They also missed beta release by few days with no announcement in change of schedule, buwahhaha. Other games miss their deadlines, but atleast there is some communication going on.
In the meantime... i'm playing wasteland on arma2, pretty fun!
Thats what really shitty about War Z, the map funnels you into these pathways/entrances. I preferred it in Day Z when you would decide to cut through the forest (away from the main path) and accidentally run into a camp full of tents, JACKPOT.
But comparing Day Z to War Z is not even fair. How my friends can even defend this game, when weve played Day Z before, is beyond me.
On December 05 2012 14:36 acidstormy wrote: It is silly that when you search for servers on WarZ, there is a section in the bottom right identical in wording to DayZ Commander (Nameplate, Tracers, Crosshair). There is not even refresh server list option (you'd have to click on servers again to get it to refresh)! There is so much broken in this game. I got it for free last week (which i'm actually not complaining about), logged in about 5-10 hours and I must say..... PRETTY SHITTY. On the bright side, if the game does turn out decent i'll still have an account. That is if it doesn't get banned or hacked or whatever.
Out of ALL the aggravating shit in this game is the map. The majority of towns are terribly good for pvf (player vs fresh spawn). You can't go around some areas and entrances to areas are funneled which is perfect for camping. Zombie agro was terrible too. They can see you so good at night, and they fucking walk and BREATHE retarded. This game makes me rage like I did for MW2 -__- They also missed beta release by few days with no announcement in change of schedule, buwahhaha. Other games miss their deadlines, but atleast there is some communication going on.
In the meantime... i'm playing wasteland on arma2, pretty fun!
Thats what really shitty about War Z, the map funnels you into these pathways/entrances. I preferred it in Day Z when you would decide to cut through the forest (away from the main path) and accidentally run into a camp full of tents, JACKPOT.
But comparing Day Z to War Z is not even fair. How my friends can even defend this game, when weve played Day Z before, is beyond me.
Maybe you haven't given the game a fair chance?? I played DayZ with a squad of about 9 people, some streamers and we were all really good at DayZ consistently coming out on top during squad fights. All of us have switched to WarZ and are still trying to decide between WarZ and DayZ. We will be deciding once we play the standalone for DayZ but honestly I think both games are great.
DayZ is by far more realistic and less forgiving. What i mean by my previous statement is this, in WarZ you can stash stuff in a global inventory and trade with other people easily, so if you die it isn't like you are completely naked. Some people like that because in WarZ it feels like you have a long time goal and a real reason for finding this stuff as you are taking it back somewhere and can perhaps put it in a clan stronghold when it is implemented.
WarZ has an arcade feeling to it and DayZ feels more realistic. It really is just personal preference at this point IMO and WarZ doesn't deserve all the hate it gets.
On December 05 2012 19:36 Kamikiri wrote: WarZ has an arcade feeling to it and DayZ feels more realistic. It really is just personal preference at this point IMO and WarZ doesn't deserve all the hate it gets.
WarZ would have an arcade feeling to it if it wasn't so slow paced. That's the reason I tried it.
If it's not one thing it's another. People like Zorkmid won't be happy until they find something that sticks. The forum post turned out to be bullshit so it's onto another thing. Some people just want to hold onto their opinions no matter what... it happens.
Why do you even come in this thread Zork? Just stick to DayZ. I personally can't wait for the standalone, I know you can't wait for it, just stay away from here. You've already said in this thread you didn't like it and what you didn't like about it. I disagreed with your post and a lot has changed since you got your refund as the game was in ALPHA, but the point is everyone knows you don't like it.
it's pretty clear this game was terribly developed (even when compared to buggy DayZ) no matter how much you want to defend it, and it seems the only people having fun with the game are the people who bought it to play with a decent sized group of friends which makes sense because of the investment made
On December 06 2012 04:26 NEXUS6 wrote: it's pretty clear this game was terribly developed (even when compared to buggy DayZ) no matter how much you want to defend it, and it seems the only people having fun with the game are the people who bought it to play with a decent sized group of friends which makes sense because of the investment made
You want to give examples or are you just another scrub in here spouting things you've "heard"? I'm guessing the second since that's all you've shown. Also, I'm not rich by any stretch of the imagination, but I'd have to be in some dire straits to call 30 bucks an investment. It's funny to me that you tried to make some psychological justification for people actually enjoying the game.
I play the game solo ALL the time. I haven't played with Kami in a good month I think. I play DayZ solo, too. Both games are more enjoyable to me in a group, but I find a lot of enjoyment solo, too. This isn't a game like Planetside 2 where I love playing with my outfit but absolutely hate playing solo (though I can at least understand why some would find enjoyment solo and not try to justify reasons for them to find enjoyment out of it)
Different people like different things. You shouldn't talk about shit you know nothing about. Zork at least bought the game and played it before deciding to hate it with a passion (even though he hated it for reasons that I disagreed with)
For a guy who is all about opinions and stuff you should calm down a bit. Why are you so adamantly defending it? If you can't see all the bad in this game, then it's on you. Whether or not people bought this game is entirely up to them and they can judge based on what they have seen.
What was so intriguing to me about this game was how it was marketed... ABSOLUTELY NONE. There were no solid gameplay videos, a handful of photos, and just walls of text. What bothers me most about WarZ the most is that they are carrying their agenda out in shady ways. How do you expect to sell 250k+ units when you've never seen an advertisement, heard word of mouth, seen gameplay, read amazing reviews on it? That you can't deny was a factor driven by other things such as zombie craze, zombie movies, the walking dead, day z. I'm always lurking around on WarZ mainly because it's so hard to grasp how much they copy, and fail to put out a superior product. For instance, why would you copy the secondary inventory slot as in day z? Flashlight, melee weapons takes up the slot of pistols? Come on.... You gotta be blind as a bat. There are heaps of things terribly developed about this game and NEXUS6 is right. He doesn't need to name them for anything, you should have already seen those things for yourself
On December 06 2012 05:17 acidstormy wrote: Dude Risen,
For a guy who is all about opinions and stuff you should calm down a bit. Why are you so adamantly defending it? If you can't see all the bad in this game, then it's on you. Whether or not people bought this game is entirely up to them and they can judge based on what they have seen.
What was so intriguing to me about this game was how it was marketed... ABSOLUTELY NONE. There were no solid gameplay videos, a handful of photos, and just walls of text. What bothers me most about WarZ the most is that they are carrying their agenda out in shady ways. How do you expect to sell 250k+ units when you've never seen an advertisement, heard word of mouth, seen gameplay, read amazing reviews on it? That you can't deny was a factor driven by other things such as zombie craze, zombie movies, the walking dead, day z. I'm always lurking around on WarZ mainly because it's so hard to grasp how much they copy, and fail to put out a superior product. For instance, why would you copy the secondary inventory slot as in day z? Flashlight, melee weapons takes up the slot of pistols? Come on.... You gotta be blind as a bat. There are heaps of things terribly developed about this game and NEXUS6 is right. He doesn't need to name them for anything, you should have already seen those things for yourself
I have seen mostly positive reviews about this game and people saying how much they enjoy this game as of late, since the last major update. The game has been in Alpha so some stuff was missing but overall they update a lot and constantly try to improve the game. The point Risen is trying to make is that people come into the thread bashing the game without evidence. Every SINGLE time someone comes in here bashing the game without giving a good reason or factual evidence it gets frustrating having to write out a bunch of text explaining why they are wrong. IF you don't enjoy the game stay out of the thread instead of making half assed comments bashing the game when you are more than likely wrong. Also, yes I do see a lot of gameplay videos, amazing reviews and I have seen quite a few awesome streamers playing this game.
Edit: Also how can you say its a copy because it is the game genre? They have done SO much different from DayZ and it is not a blatant copy. You can actually get experience in this game now, there are safe settlements, GI's, mutated zombies, different variables as to how loot spawns and a lot of other stuff. This game is more arcadey and MMOish while still having the fear of losing everything you would normally have in DayZ. I like both games but people like you coming in here pretty uninformed while making comments to bash one game or the other is kind of silly.
Meh, it's just like the politics threads for me. Back up your statements with evidence or else you're just some dumbass troll.
I stand by my statements on the matter.
Edit: I also like how your example of terrible gameplat design is flashlights taking up the secondary slot along with pistols. That's good gameplay design, imo, but I'm glad you at least articulated a reason you hated the game. I think hating a game b/c they have flashlights in the secondary slot is stupid, but whatever. Know another game that did that and I loved? DOOM 3. But you probably hated that one, too. Not being able to have a flashlight and regular gun out at the same time? Shitty game.
Don't really care. It's ammo. Just don't be bad and don't get shot in the first place. They still have to find guns. I care more about selling the scopes for money. But even with that I still don't really care. I'm not in a competition, this isn't sc2.
I can see being allowed to buy ammo turning some people off, though. It's pay 2 win, even if it's a small advantage.
how is it i am so uninformed? What makes all your points better than mine? Why do you guys think you are so much better than people who give a counter-argument?
Because opinion.
Risen, Doom3 is totally different from Warz. Even they released the BFG edition with "armor-mounted flashlights" (secondary with flashlights!!!!!!!!!!!!! zomg). WarZ is a survival mmo zombie game, why would you think certain item restrictions are good? It's hypocritical to have the option for your primary to be loaded with tons of attachments. Maybe they can play this design copy off in the future with a skill in their skill tree. You could probably learn how to carry a flashlight and gun at the same time, who knows?
I do however agree with you Kamikiri on how they brought new things to their game. Skill tree and such do attempt to help them branch off away from day z. I'm just not sure if they want to branch off or stay on the same boat? Seems like their marketing intentions were taken care of because of being on that same boat. However, i disagree totally on the gameplay/streams and reviews i saw. They are definitely abundant now, but as a curious person i really wanted to see the game before i bought it (i didn't buy it because of the lack thereof). At the time of their initial sales, all there were was the screenshots warz mainpage. The only gameplay i saw before release was that nighttime PVP from FPS general and day time PVP around the rocks on the road during day time(both suspiciously scripted).
Terrible gameplay design? Taking DMG running down a mountain, zombie agro in general, stacking "x"+ "item" in a limited slot backpack, can't turn off flashlight, zombies take make hits to the body (in the process looking stupid as shit), Cities that have one-3 entrances, cities that have sniper vantage points over them, finding chocolate bars in a nonsensical place (next to a burned out car), buildings that are enter able but have nothing inside except some tables and chairs, sprinting in first person makes your character run with the gun slanted down around the chin level giving only partial view (who the fuck runs like that? Check out how other FPS games have their guns in sprint, should copy that because it works), laser dots don't follow laser trail, map zoom doesn't work, map is so much smaller than it really looks, being defenseless(no ranged weapon) vs groups with guns, server hopping, scaling things by jumping, low graphics settings are an advantage, multi-character attempts (after getting killed, trying to run back on a different character to salvage loot) . These are some examples i've experienced.
Good gameplay design? Team/squad play, some food replenishes sprint, nighttime is wonderful (dayz night was way to harsh), attachments (although the same template was used first in crysis....).
I'm sure i am forgetting things for both lists and i won't even list annoying things. Those will probably get fixed (eventually) and if they don't it will be hard to try and enjoy the game.
One of my most memorable experiences in this game was stalking 2 well geared people moving to the top of a mountain overlooking echo, killing them both bymyself with m4 30rounds. the most notable loot was a m107 and one had an alice bag. Unfortunately for yalls, i still stand by my statements. I do follow this game closely because of how similar it is to day z.
On December 06 2012 16:21 acidstormy wrote: how is it i am so uninformed? What makes all your points better than mine? Why do you guys think you are so much better than people who give a counter-argument?
Because opinion.
Risen, Doom3 is totally different from Warz. Even they released the BFG edition with "armor-mounted flashlights" (secondary with flashlights!!!!!!!!!!!!! zomg). WarZ is a survival mmo zombie game, why would you think certain item restrictions are good? It's hypocritical to have the option for your primary to be loaded with tons of attachments. Maybe they can play this design copy off in the future with a skill in their skill tree. You could probably learn how to carry a flashlight and gun at the same time, who knows?
I do however agree with you Kamikiri on how they brought new things to their game. Skill tree and such do attempt to help them branch off away from day z. I'm just not sure if they want to branch off or stay on the same boat? Seems like their marketing intentions were taken care of because of being on that same boat. However, i disagree totally on the gameplay/streams and reviews i saw. They are definitely abundant now, but as a curious person i really wanted to see the game before i bought it (i didn't buy it because of the lack thereof). At the time of their initial sales, all there were was the screenshots warz mainpage. The only gameplay i saw before release was that nighttime PVP from FPS general and day time PVP around the rocks on the road during day time(both suspiciously scripted).
Terrible gameplay design? Taking DMG running down a mountain, zombie agro in general, stacking "x"+ "item" in a limited slot backpack, can't turn off flashlight, zombies take make hits to the body (in the process looking stupid as shit), Cities that have one-3 entrances, cities that have sniper vantage points over them, finding chocolate bars in a nonsensical place (next to a burned out car), buildings that are enter able but have nothing inside except some tables and chairs, sprinting in first person makes your character run with the gun slanted down around the chin level giving only partial view (who the fuck runs like that? Check out how other FPS games have their guns in sprint, should copy that because it works), laser dots don't follow laser trail, map zoom doesn't work, map is so much smaller than it really looks, being defenseless(no ranged weapon) vs groups with guns, server hopping, scaling things by jumping, low graphics settings are an advantage, multi-character attempts (after getting killed, trying to run back on a different character to salvage loot) . These are some examples i've experienced.
Good gameplay design? Team/squad play, some food replenishes sprint, nighttime is wonderful (dayz night was way to harsh), attachments (although the same template was used first in crysis....).
I'm sure i am forgetting things for both lists and i won't even list annoying things. Those will probably get fixed (eventually) and if they don't it will be hard to try and enjoy the game.
One of my most memorable experiences in this game was stalking 2 well geared people moving to the top of a mountain overlooking echo, killing them both bymyself with m4 30rounds. the most notable loot was a m107 and one had an alice bag. Unfortunately for yalls, i still stand by my statements. I do follow this game closely because of how similar it is to day z.
Taking damage running down mountains, Zombie agro(not agroing from gunshots) will be fixed and stacking items is fine.. Animations are being changed and loot spawns are being changed. These things have ALL already been confirmed by devs and they said they will. Oh, also next patch will have a fix for server hopping which also includes logging in on new chars to run back to an area. There are a lot of problems and they need to be fixed but the devs openly said this and said they will be fixing it. The game is in Alpha and I have a hell of a lot of fun playing it during alpha. Also, in the last patch you have become able to turn off flashlights.
Edit: Also my frustration comes from people not updated with the game making rash decisions about it based on the way things "use" to be.
Fair enough, i can't really argue with what you just said. From last time i played, these problems were apparent, maybe i'll try playing for a few hours when these changes are implemented.
Technically beta*.'
Edit: BTW, what button is it to turn off and on flashlights?? i can't find it on the controls atm
On December 06 2012 17:20 acidstormy wrote: Fair enough, i can't really argue with what you just said. From last time i played, these problems were apparent, maybe i'll try playing for a few hours when these changes are implemented.
Technically beta*.'
Edit: BTW, what button is it to turn off and on flashlights?? i can't find it on the controls atm
If you click backspace with your flashlight out it hides it (you cant have it out and turn it off) but for weapon attachment flashlights the hotkey is X(i rebinded mine to tilde).
Also as for the changes to the GC shop, I don't like that you can buy high caliber weapon ammunition for GC. I feel that is something that should be bought with the ingame dollars or traded with other players. That being said - with people complaining about it the devs said it was just temporary and they are experimenting with items in the shop. So I am hoping they change it.
What a horrible bunch of people the guys behind WarZ are, makes me want to see what Rocket does in standalone all the more.
This guy has a website?
Lolwat.
The amount of bullshit thats just spewing out from him is laughable. This guy tried coming into a very popular wow stream, a guy named Towellie, and he was playing WarZ at the time. This guy was just spouting nonsense after nonsense, bashing the game and kept on repeating the same stuff over and over. Towellie destroyed him. Destroyed him so much in the "WarZ scam" arguement that the guy had to resort to "meet me in real life and ill beat ur ass" and "LOLUMAD?," when it was clear that he was the one that was mad and Towellie just kept his cool.
I wouldn't believe a guy whose a keyboard warrior. Resorting to the "meet me and ill beat ur ass" and couldn't state more "facts" in Towellies channel about the "WarZ scam,". He kept repeating the same "facts" over and over"
If you had read what was posted, it's an ex-WarZ mod not Rhinocrunch. The same thing was posted on Reddit about half a week ago too, and the person was validated as one.
An ex volunteer forum moderator. I was right when I told other people in livestreams and whatnot that he was just pissed off for what had happened to him. As the guy said in that video.
Developers wouldnt tell a volunteer forum moderator shit THAT important and THAT damaging.
On December 06 2012 17:20 acidstormy wrote: Fair enough, i can't really argue with what you just said. From last time i played, these problems were apparent, maybe i'll try playing for a few hours when these changes are implemented.
Technically beta*.'
Edit: BTW, what button is it to turn off and on flashlights?? i can't find it on the controls atm
If you click backspace with your flashlight out it hides it (you cant have it out and turn it off) but for weapon attachment flashlights the hotkey is X(i rebinded mine to tilde).
Also as for the changes to the GC shop, I don't like that you can buy high caliber weapon ammunition for GC. I feel that is something that should be bought with the ingame dollars or traded with other players. That being said - with people complaining about it the devs said it was just temporary and they are experimenting with items in the shop. So I am hoping they change it.
ah, i was using that method before, i think they will be adding an actual hotkey for when the flashlight is equipped
this isn't about whether they should or shouldn't give out refunds, this is about the way they handled it.
please read entire post before saying things like this "shoulda read TOS" or "it's in alpha what do you expect" or "who cares you bought a shitty game" all of those points are IRRELEVANT if you read my entire post
So, I bought Warz and after numerous problems and even being unable to play for large amounts of time, I e-mailed the company hoping to maybe get a refund, if i don't oh well I bought a shitty game, it happens. I sent in a ticket, and they responded saying to think it over, the game is still in development and if after giving it some thought I still wanted a refund they would grant one.
Okay cool right, seems pretty fair, after a few days of the same BS problems I replied to them again saying I thought it over and i would like a refund. About a day later they send a reply quoting the EULA saying that no refunds on the product are eligible. Now if they had said this from the get go fine, but the EULA hadn't changed at all between me sending in the ticket and me finalizing my refund request.
To me that is an incredibly disgusting thing to do, try to get me to stay with the game on good terms, and when that fails, refuse to refund me.
Like I said I don't care i wasted money on a terrible game, I care how unprofessional and scummy the company acted, anyways here are the back and forth e-mails if any one is interested.
scott lago Dec 03 08:10 am (YEKT)
Hey guys,
I've been trying to play your game but with constant server issues, updater problems, and general ability to even get into the game I would really love it if you could refund me the game and just delete my account. I have no desire to play as when I try there is some problem preventing me from doing so, and even when i get into the game there are so many bug issues and lag problems that make it unenjoyable for me. I may be willing to purchase it in the future if all the bugs are sorted, but me paying extra money for early access that didn't work, having to use third party to software to run the game, the updater not working, I really am fed up and done with the game at the moment, you really shouldn't sell a product that doesn't work at all, and if you decide to anyways I should hope you give out refunds, if you could give me a refund that would be very much appreciated.
Thanks, Scott
Viva (Xsolla) Dec 04 06:20 am (YEKT)
Hello,
First think it over: You were aware that what you bought was not a final version and not even beta-version and thus had numerous drawbacks. You bought the full version of the game and on sale. You got the access to the start of the game and can watch it develop and expand. Every day there is twice as less bugs and crushes. The game added several servers so you can play with no wait if you press «Quick Join»
So we advise you to stay in the game at least untill the Beta starts so you will not have to buy it again for the full price. If you still want a refund by the said date we will return the money.
scott lago Dec 06 09:09 am (YEKT)
yeah I have thought it over, I do want a refund, so if you could do that it would be great.
thanks, Scott
Viva (Xsolla) Dec 06 01:13 pm (YEKT)
Hello!
Subject to the terms of the War Z Terms of Service (the “TOS”) and the End User License Agreement (the “EULA”), governing your purchases on War Z website www.thewarz.com and affiliated sites (the "Websites"), ALL PAYMENTS ARE FINAL, THERE ARE NO REFUNDS OR RETURNS FOR PRODUCTS OR SERVICES PURCHASED on the Websites except, in War Z’s sole and absolute discretion or where required by law. War Z reserves the right to terminate your account and to prevent your use of any and all services if your account is used to engage in illegal activity or to violate the TOS or EULA. http://www.thewarz.com/tos.html So there is no way to make a refund.
They are pretty shady. I don't agree with how they responded to you that you were "aware that what you bought was not a final version and not even beta-version and thus had numerous drawbacks." No where on their website says this game is under development and you are buying in on a non-refundable early access. They've got SOME information under their FAQ which is totally bleak. They speak of closed beta and registration for it, and I would assume it is free since its only a small group of people being accepted. However, at the bottom of each page on their website, I can actually BUY THE WHOLE GAME?!?!? Inconsistent.
The number of inconsistencies with their ability to follow through on their promises really hurt their image so much. In my eyes, they have gone way past acceptable unethical practice (which is why i follow war-z so closely!). Consumers who are generally business minded (people who believe quotas & statements carry weight) are a small minority of buyers in my opinion. They've gotten the majority of their sales on impulses (Zombies, DayZ appeal, MMO appeal, etc.), once again, my opinion.
I love how with any email douchebaggery like that they end it with a "We apologize for inconveniences."
As in they apologise for the inconvenience of saying one thing and doing another?
Pretty poor form. You should take it to some major gaming sites that are running coverage of the game. Once they get a whiff of the bad press from what has happened to you, they'll backflip (again).
Scam or not, the game was moderately fun until they merged servers. Now, they are so crowded that you can't walk 10 feet without getting murdered immediately. They said they would implement a kind of questing system, skill trees, and other distractions, but so far it's just a giant PvP murderfest. Sigh.....
On December 09 2012 23:13 ayaz2810 wrote: Scam or not, the game was moderately fun until they merged servers. Now, they are so crowded that you can't walk 10 feet without getting murdered immediately. They said they would implement a kind of questing system, skill trees, and other distractions, but so far it's just a giant PvP murderfest. Sigh.....
On December 10 2012 23:38 Skilledblob wrote: it's a fun game but the hackers are killing the game now that the servers merged and your chances to meet a hacker are much bigger now.
Yeah, they said on the second week of December they will have an anti-cheat coming out that will stop hackers for the long-term but we will have to see.
On December 06 2012 04:06 Risen wrote: If it's not one thing it's another. People like Zorkmid won't be happy until they find something that sticks. The forum post turned out to be bullshit so it's onto another thing. Some people just want to hold onto their opinions no matter what... it happens.
Why do you even come in this thread Zork? Just stick to DayZ. I personally can't wait for the standalone, I know you can't wait for it, just stay away from here. You've already said in this thread you didn't like it and what you didn't like about it. I disagreed with your post and a lot has changed since you got your refund as the game was in ALPHA, but the point is everyone knows you don't like it.
I need to make sure that TLers on the fence don't buy this game. Apparently they won't be able to get their refund anymore.
On December 10 2012 23:38 Skilledblob wrote: it's a fun game but the hackers are killing the game now that the servers merged and your chances to meet a hacker are much bigger now.
On December 10 2012 23:38 Skilledblob wrote: it's a fun game but the hackers are killing the game now that the servers merged and your chances to meet a hacker are much bigger now.
so even war z is Hacker infested? god damnit :<
they seem to be working on anti cheat solutions but it takes a while :/
On December 10 2012 23:38 Skilledblob wrote: it's a fun game but the hackers are killing the game now that the servers merged and your chances to meet a hacker are much bigger now.
so even war z is Hacker infested? god damnit :<
they seem to be working on anti cheat solutions but it takes a while :/
Second to third week of December is when the anti-cheat is suppose to be implemented. Heres to hoping it works because this is such a fun game besides the hackers.
some of the new changes are pretty cool. I really really do not like the sound effects though. I'm sure they will be removing those since everyone seems to think they don't belong in the game
This is where i have such a HUGE problem with the way these guys are selling the game. Their words and screen shots are so misleading.
Taken from their description of the game on Steam...
"A Huge Persistent World: The War Z is an open world game. Each world has areas between 100 to 400 square kilometers." So.... are there more than one world or what? Is it in planning? 100-400 sqkm? does that mean one world is exactly 100 sqkm?
"Up to 100 Players per Game Server" What????????????????
One of the most important of all imo, "Single Purchase, Downloadable Client with ability to play the full game without subscriptions or requiring in-game transactions" There are plenty of people on the WarZ facebook fanpage shit-talking "fanboys" and people disgruntled with their warZ experience. One of the common thing these bashers say is (paraphrasing) "you BOUGHT the alpha and beta, NOT THE GAME, you knew what you were buying". I'll just copy and paste a post from a fan straight from facebook.
"Damon Wolf Always the fucking same with these idiots, because your post shopping experience didn't blow your tiny little mind you moan. You were told, you would be stress testing a game in a near state of completion. You were not made to buy early access, you were given an opportunity to help the dev team fix stuff while it's being played, and happen to have bought the full game already. Why didn't you wait? Wait until all this was dealt with, then buy your copy, and play the full thing? YOU failed to research, YOU thought you would be getting a head start in the game, YOU are to blame. The only scam here is that the dev's should point out you may be entering games full of plebs who do not like being shot, and often say hacker like it's a rape alarm!"
I totally disagree with these people, because it is not advertising early access or anything. It advertises the full game, with updating patches. "No Classes, No Levels, No Caps: Create your own survival campaign, gain experience points and spend it to learn dozen of available skills" There are definitely no ways to allocate your experience points atm. Sure it COULD be implemented in the future, but it's false advertising.
WarZ Steam Here it is for yalls to take a good look for yourself. At this point I'm not even bashing the game itself, i'm bashing how shady its makers are.
Edit: I just took a look on reddit, and it seems everyone was already on this before me. At least people are wising up a bit!
Agh... according to this interview the game has been fully released today. This is no longer a matter of alpha/beta discussion, they released it today.
It is clearly stated in the last answer of the interview if you don't want to read it all
I don't see how any consumer would not value business ethics, it is all relative. I also think this whole thing is pretty funny. Constant wars and name-calling from everyone and everywhere
WarZ just posted on their website for fans to take a feedback survey to see how they are doing. Someone in the comments caught this..
On December 18 2012 09:30 acidstormy wrote: I don't see how any consumer would not value business ethics, it is all relative. I also think this whole thing is pretty funny. Constant wars and name-calling from everyone and everywhere
WarZ just posted on their website for fans to take a feedback survey to see how they are doing. Someone in the comments caught this..
ofc i don't, but i still play it from time to time. I would LIKE to like the game. I'm just waiting for it to be a more refined product before i really get into it.
I wish the people in charge of WarZ would stop purposely pissing in peoples cornflakes. I enjoy playing the game but some of the stuff they are doing is completely ridiculous. It is almost like they are trying to piss everyone off, either that or they have some extremely stupid people working for them.
I would advice anyone who wants to buy the game to wait for a few weeks before doing so, this will allow time for all the new buyers to write their review and reflect their opinions on forums.
Take my advice as a pinch of salt, because I have never played day-z or war-z, but people like you can still make objective decisions.
I am a fan of coop, so I have been following these games for quite some times, I've heard many reports about war-z, mostly bad, but ignoring most of these reports, just look at statistics and history of the company.
The amount of people complaining are staggering, sure we have people complaining about dustin browder here and there, but the accusation and unhappiness being throw around seems to be totally different level. It is normal that certain business decision will piss off some people, but when so many are complaining, it's easier to tell whose in the wrong.
Before they were working on war-z, they made another game called war inc. they've pretty much ceased support to that game and devote all their attention to war-z, it does make me worry to buy an incomplete game. If the company has bad support history, I doubt they'll change over night.
If you check their official forums, everything you see is positive, all the comments, discussion. It's pretty obvious something dodgy is going on. It is norm people complaints, people do it here on TL too, it is perfectly normal. But when they remove all the complaints, the feedback people gave to their games, you know they aren't taking gamer's suggestion seriously. That is often a sign for bad game.
Based on these observation I would refrain myself from buying this game at the moment. It's best to wait and see.
I don't get how this game has such a horrible reputation on every forum I read, yet so many people watch this game on Twitch.tv and it's a top seller on Steam right now.
I'm not even basing this on my general opinion of the gameplay itself (haven't played it), like I said, it's the general consensus of this game.
It make sense, people watching Twitch.tv probably just informative buyers wanting to find out what they getting in, or people interested what the fuss all about.
Any games that are looked interesting appeared on Stream always become top seller automatically, unfortunately those are the people who doesn't do research.
I'll copy and paste something I said responding to a person complaining about the screenshots of War Z up on steam.
I bought and play the game for about 2 months now and while I enjoyed my time playing it I do have to agree that some screenshots are definately fake. Staged to make the game look better then it is. There are no zombies crawling, zombies dont grab on to you trying to bite you. While some screenshots are faked, some aren't. You can get a horde of zombies on you if your not careful. While it is still in Alpha now, whose to say that some of the stuff they showed wont be implemented in the future? None of us can actually. All any of us can do is wait and see how the game develops and when or if it does. In the future if things people have been saying about the game becomes "Fact" then you can call it a scam. For now, make your own decision on what you want to do.
All I know is that I bought and played the game for some time and that I enjoyed my time playing it and will continue to play it as they continue to update and add in things. If they don't then well thats 20 bucks I can't get back but its only 20 bucks. Oh well.
i was suprised to see warz being the top seller on steam. So funny that they are now on steam after dayz said they wanted to launch their standalone on steam too. u dont have to make it that obvious!^^
i guess its because its really cheap. only 11€. You can barely do something wrong then. but i still enjoy dayz from time to time and i dont feel like its necessary to buy warz. they might have some more content already and are more arcady but i dont need two games about the same thing especially because both of them are still super unfinished products.
not saying tb is always right, but the video seems quite convincing. also what is up with the stamina system? this is too funny. i think most mcdonalds fatties can run longer and faster than that.
Question, I haven't played since early alpha (or whatever the fuck), is TB's video representative of what this game looks like today? If so, what in the fuck are the supporters of this game thinking?
The game is actually good. And its still in beta, they're improving on the game and still optimizing the game. It's both fun with a group and its fun soloing if you know what you're doing, if you don't know whats going on, youll be complaining how stupid the game is and how you wasted 15$ for a game that's not even full released.
What I find alarming is that I don't think it was staged or anything. It was just 40 straight minutes of awful gameplay with several major flaws shown on screen. I don't get how anyone could side with the devs. The game is NOT in alpha or beta or whatever anymore, and it still looks pretty unplayable.
On December 19 2012 11:08 tyr wrote: What I find alarming is that I don't think it was staged or anything. It was just 40 straight minutes of awful gameplay with several major flaws shown on screen. I don't get how anyone could side with the devs. The game is NOT in alpha or beta or whatever anymore, and it still looks pretty unplayable.
The game is in Beta, and are you kidding me? It's totally playable which is why thousands of people are playing each minute, how else are they supposed to fix bugs? By letting people play the game and reporting the bugs in. The developers have done a lot so far, but need to do so much more before it's ready for a release. If you haven't tried the game out for yourself, don't even go flame about it.
On December 18 2012 06:29 acidstormy wrote: WarZ just got released onto Steam today.
This is where i have such a HUGE problem with the way these guys are selling the game. Their words and screen shots are so misleading.
Taken from their description of the game on Steam...
"A Huge Persistent World: The War Z is an open world game. Each world has areas between 100 to 400 square kilometers." So.... are there more than one world or what? Is it in planning? 100-400 sqkm? does that mean one world is exactly 100 sqkm?
"Up to 100 Players per Game Server" What????????????????
One of the most important of all imo, "Single Purchase, Downloadable Client with ability to play the full game without subscriptions or requiring in-game transactions" There are plenty of people on the WarZ facebook fanpage shit-talking "fanboys" and people disgruntled with their warZ experience. One of the common thing these bashers say is (paraphrasing) "you BOUGHT the alpha and beta, NOT THE GAME, you knew what you were buying". I'll just copy and paste a post from a fan straight from facebook.
"Damon Wolf Always the fucking same with these idiots, because your post shopping experience didn't blow your tiny little mind you moan. You were told, you would be stress testing a game in a near state of completion. You were not made to buy early access, you were given an opportunity to help the dev team fix stuff while it's being played, and happen to have bought the full game already. Why didn't you wait? Wait until all this was dealt with, then buy your copy, and play the full thing? YOU failed to research, YOU thought you would be getting a head start in the game, YOU are to blame. The only scam here is that the dev's should point out you may be entering games full of plebs who do not like being shot, and often say hacker like it's a rape alarm!"
I totally disagree with these people, because it is not advertising early access or anything. It advertises the full game, with updating patches. "No Classes, No Levels, No Caps: Create your own survival campaign, gain experience points and spend it to learn dozen of available skills" There are definitely no ways to allocate your experience points atm. Sure it COULD be implemented in the future, but it's false advertising.
WarZ Steam Here it is for yalls to take a good look for yourself. At this point I'm not even bashing the game itself, i'm bashing how shady its makers are.
Edit: I just took a look on reddit, and it seems everyone was already on this before me. At least people are wising up a bit!
I agree that the marketing techniques from this business is shady and unacceptable. You do gain experience from killing zombies though which isn't hard, they'll get around to it.
On December 19 2012 11:08 tyr wrote: What I find alarming is that I don't think it was staged or anything. It was just 40 straight minutes of awful gameplay with several major flaws shown on screen. I don't get how anyone could side with the devs. The game is NOT in alpha or beta or whatever anymore, and it still looks pretty unplayable.
The game is in Beta, and are you kidding me? It's totally playable which is why thousands of people are playing each minute, how else are they supposed to fix bugs? By letting people play the game and reporting the bugs in. The developers have done a lot so far, but need to do so much more before it's ready for a release. If you haven't tried the game out for yourself, don't even go flame about it.
I don't see a word beta or alpha written anywhere. Do you ? The game is in fact released, this is a fact, and half the features they're advertising for are not in the game. This by itself is unacceptable.
If this is actually the release version, it appears to be the buggiest, glitchiest, ugliest release I've seen since Dead Island. And the Dead Island people accidentally uploaded their dev alpha, not their final product.
Someone's BSing about the state of the game: the devs, or the fans.
On December 19 2012 11:05 LiLSighKoh wrote: The game is actually good. And its still in beta, they're improving on the game and still optimizing the game. It's both fun with a group and its fun soloing if you know what you're doing, if you don't know whats going on, youll be complaining how stupid the game is and how you wasted 15$ for a game that's not even full released.
not saying tb is always right, but the video seems quite convincing. also what is up with the stamina system? this is too funny. i think most mcdonalds fatties can run longer and faster than that.
So when his character died, he lost the bat that he paid with real money? He lost it forever, like there's no way it will reappear once the character has revived or something? I mean, if there was Perma-death then losing the item would be understandable but here I dont get it. I don't mean to badmouth the game or anything but I pretty much agree with everything TB said there, including what he said about Valve's stance.
not saying tb is always right, but the video seems quite convincing. also what is up with the stamina system? this is too funny. i think most mcdonalds fatties can run longer and faster than that.
So when his character died, he lost the bat that he paid with real money? He lost it forever, like there's no way it will reappear once the character has revived or something? I mean, if there was Perma-death then losing the item would be understandable but here I dont get it. I don't mean to badmouth the game or anything but I pretty much agree with everything TB said there, including what he said about Valve's stance.
That's the consequences of the game. If you die you lose everything, why would you end up retaining it? You can't just have an infinite # of characters that you can just hop to once you die, you have a limit of 5. I don't see what's wrong with dying and losing your stuff, and going on another character and playing on it for an hour and then once that dies you go back on that other character and spawn and start all over.
This is crazy! They release a game so messed up as a full game.
Shame on steam allowing them to scam people.
I feel like something needs to be said or done..
Is this the first time steam allows stuff like this to go on?
I wouldnt be as bothered by this if it wasn't on steam but I feel as if steam is giving them a bigger platform for them to deceive people rather than if they just sold it with out them.
not saying tb is always right, but the video seems quite convincing. also what is up with the stamina system? this is too funny. i think most mcdonalds fatties can run longer and faster than that.
So when his character died, he lost the bat that he paid with real money? He lost it forever, like there's no way it will reappear once the character has revived or something? I mean, if there was Perma-death then losing the item would be understandable but here I dont get it. I don't mean to badmouth the game or anything but I pretty much agree with everything TB said there, including what he said about Valve's stance.
That's the consequences of the game. If you die you lose everything, why would you end up retaining it? You can't just have an infinite # of characters that you can just hop to once you die, you have a limit of 5. I don't see what's wrong with dying and losing your stuff, and going on another character and playing on it for an hour and then once that dies you go back on that other character and spawn and start all over.
try the part where the devs have a legitimate expectation that people are supposed to want to pay real money for items that will inevitably be taken from you. I've played a lot of warz (I bought in at the cheapest price before all this steam ridiculousness), I am reasonably good at it and yet there is absolutely no way to out-skill your eventual death, much as in dayz. the microtransactional model has zero place in this game, which is his point, not the general impermanency of items.
not saying tb is always right, but the video seems quite convincing. also what is up with the stamina system? this is too funny. i think most mcdonalds fatties can run longer and faster than that.
So when his character died, he lost the bat that he paid with real money? He lost it forever, like there's no way it will reappear once the character has revived or something? I mean, if there was Perma-death then losing the item would be understandable but here I dont get it. I don't mean to badmouth the game or anything but I pretty much agree with everything TB said there, including what he said about Valve's stance.
That's the consequences of the game. If you die you lose everything, why would you end up retaining it? You can't just have an infinite # of characters that you can just hop to once you die, you have a limit of 5. I don't see what's wrong with dying and losing your stuff, and going on another character and playing on it for an hour and then once that dies you go back on that other character and spawn and start all over.
There is nothing wrong with that indeed. If I understand this correctly, if you buy a bat and die, other players can loot it. So if you make a new character you can run to the one that's dead, and salvage the bat.
not saying tb is always right, but the video seems quite convincing. also what is up with the stamina system? this is too funny. i think most mcdonalds fatties can run longer and faster than that.
So when his character died, he lost the bat that he paid with real money? He lost it forever, like there's no way it will reappear once the character has revived or something? I mean, if there was Perma-death then losing the item would be understandable but here I dont get it. I don't mean to badmouth the game or anything but I pretty much agree with everything TB said there, including what he said about Valve's stance.
That's the consequences of the game. If you die you lose everything, why would you end up retaining it? You can't just have an infinite # of characters that you can just hop to once you die, you have a limit of 5. I don't see what's wrong with dying and losing your stuff, and going on another character and playing on it for an hour and then once that dies you go back on that other character and spawn and start all over.
There is nothing wrong with that indeed. If I understand this correctly, if you buy a bat and die, other players can loot it. So if you make a new character you can run to the one that's dead, and salvage the bat.
what
every single death in this game past the first day you play it comes from other players who will 99% of the time run over and loot everything you have. the only chance you have to see that bat again is if you manage to spawn incredibly close and catch your murderer (not likely, bandits will server hop away) or that you have a friend who then kills your murderer and safeguards your stuff while you come back. otherwise, it's essentially wasted money.
none of this has anything to do with the essential wrongness of it, these are just realistic adaptive strategies for people who would apparently be interested in paying for these items. my assumption is that this "quick revive" absurdity (where you pay 50 GC, or the in-game real money equiv to revive your character early and avoid the new, awful 4 hour respawn) is meant to jumpstart a sluggish in-game real money economy that even the dumbest zombie game lover won't buy into.
not saying tb is always right, but the video seems quite convincing. also what is up with the stamina system? this is too funny. i think most mcdonalds fatties can run longer and faster than that.
So when his character died, he lost the bat that he paid with real money? He lost it forever, like there's no way it will reappear once the character has revived or something? I mean, if there was Perma-death then losing the item would be understandable but here I dont get it. I don't mean to badmouth the game or anything but I pretty much agree with everything TB said there, including what he said about Valve's stance.
That's the consequences of the game. If you die you lose everything, why would you end up retaining it? You can't just have an infinite # of characters that you can just hop to once you die, you have a limit of 5. I don't see what's wrong with dying and losing your stuff, and going on another character and playing on it for an hour and then once that dies you go back on that other character and spawn and start all over.
There is nothing wrong with that indeed. If I understand this correctly, if you buy a bat and die, other players can loot it. So if you make a new character you can run to the one that's dead, and salvage the bat.
what
every single death in this game past the first day you play it comes from other players who will 99% of the time run over and loot everything you have. the only chance you have to see that bat again is if you manage to spawn incredibly close and catch your murderer (not likely, bandits will server hop away) or that you have a friend who then kills your murderer and safeguards your stuff while you come back. otherwise, it's essentially wasted money.
none of this has anything to do with the essential wrongness of it, these are just realistic adaptive strategies for people who would apparently be interested in paying for these items. my assumption is that this "quick revive" absurdity (where you pay 50 GC, or the in-game real money equiv to revive your character early and avoid the new, awful 4 hour respawn) is meant to jumpstart a sluggish in-game real money economy that even the dumbest zombie game lover won't buy into.
Yeah sorry, I should have specified that was assuming no one loots the corpse before you get to it.
not saying tb is always right, but the video seems quite convincing. also what is up with the stamina system? this is too funny. i think most mcdonalds fatties can run longer and faster than that.
So when his character died, he lost the bat that he paid with real money? He lost it forever, like there's no way it will reappear once the character has revived or something? I mean, if there was Perma-death then losing the item would be understandable but here I dont get it. I don't mean to badmouth the game or anything but I pretty much agree with everything TB said there, including what he said about Valve's stance.
That's the consequences of the game. If you die you lose everything, why would you end up retaining it? You can't just have an infinite # of characters that you can just hop to once you die, you have a limit of 5. I don't see what's wrong with dying and losing your stuff, and going on another character and playing on it for an hour and then once that dies you go back on that other character and spawn and start all over.
There is nothing wrong with that indeed. If I understand this correctly, if you buy a bat and die, other players can loot it. So if you make a new character you can run to the one that's dead, and salvage the bat.
what
every single death in this game past the first day you play it comes from other players who will 99% of the time run over and loot everything you have. the only chance you have to see that bat again is if you manage to spawn incredibly close and catch your murderer (not likely, bandits will server hop away) or that you have a friend who then kills your murderer and safeguards your stuff while you come back. otherwise, it's essentially wasted money.
none of this has anything to do with the essential wrongness of it, these are just realistic adaptive strategies for people who would apparently be interested in paying for these items. my assumption is that this "quick revive" absurdity (where you pay 50 GC, or the in-game real money equiv to revive your character early and avoid the new, awful 4 hour respawn) is meant to jumpstart a sluggish in-game real money economy that even the dumbest zombie game lover won't buy into.
Yeah sorry, I should have specified that was assuming no one loots the corpse before you get to it.
fair enough, unfortunately the microscopic map and centralized looting pretty much makes getting your corpse back impossible. also, unlike dayz, warz is basically a game for hoarders as you desperately loot everything you can find and murder, then sprint back to safe zones where you can log out and store all of it in your global inventory to gear your freshly respawned characters with. naturally this makes actually finding your gear impossible when people will pick it up just because, unlike dayz where a guy with a FAL won't bother looting your m16 and probably has most of the same gear you do, so you have a reasonable shot at doing a corpse run.
the official forums for this game are in hysterics right now, please feel free to drop on by. I've never seen the like.
not saying tb is always right, but the video seems quite convincing. also what is up with the stamina system? this is too funny. i think most mcdonalds fatties can run longer and faster than that.
So when his character died, he lost the bat that he paid with real money? He lost it forever, like there's no way it will reappear once the character has revived or something? I mean, if there was Perma-death then losing the item would be understandable but here I dont get it. I don't mean to badmouth the game or anything but I pretty much agree with everything TB said there, including what he said about Valve's stance.
That's the consequences of the game. If you die you lose everything, why would you end up retaining it? You can't just have an infinite # of characters that you can just hop to once you die, you have a limit of 5. I don't see what's wrong with dying and losing your stuff, and going on another character and playing on it for an hour and then once that dies you go back on that other character and spawn and start all over.
There is nothing wrong with that indeed. If I understand this correctly, if you buy a bat and die, other players can loot it. So if you make a new character you can run to the one that's dead, and salvage the bat.
what
every single death in this game past the first day you play it comes from other players who will 99% of the time run over and loot everything you have. the only chance you have to see that bat again is if you manage to spawn incredibly close and catch your murderer (not likely, bandits will server hop away) or that you have a friend who then kills your murderer and safeguards your stuff while you come back. otherwise, it's essentially wasted money.
none of this has anything to do with the essential wrongness of it, these are just realistic adaptive strategies for people who would apparently be interested in paying for these items. my assumption is that this "quick revive" absurdity (where you pay 50 GC, or the in-game real money equiv to revive your character early and avoid the new, awful 4 hour respawn) is meant to jumpstart a sluggish in-game real money economy that even the dumbest zombie game lover won't buy into.
Yeah sorry, I should have specified that was assuming no one loots the corpse before you get to it.
fair enough, unfortunately the microscopic map and centralized looting pretty much makes getting your corpse back impossible. also, unlike dayz, warz is basically a game for hoarders as you desperately loot everything you can find and murder, then sprint back to safe zones where you can log out and store all of it in your global inventory to gear your freshly respawned characters with. naturally this makes actually finding your gear impossible when people will pick it up just because, unlike dayz where a guy with a FAL won't bother looting your m16 and probably has most of the same gear you do, so you have a reasonable shot at doing a corpse run.
the official forums for this game are in hysterics right now, please feel free to drop on by. I've never seen the like.
not saying tb is always right, but the video seems quite convincing. also what is up with the stamina system? this is too funny. i think most mcdonalds fatties can run longer and faster than that.
What do you mean whats up with the stamina system? Real people cannot run for like hours upon hours like you can in DayZ. At least WarZ has a stamina system to where you cannot run forever. It is an easy fix if they wish to increase the stamina.
Wow. Shit has really hit the fan for The War Z, and rightfully so. I hope their sales did not cover the cost of making this godawful game, especially since they tried to prop it up with false advertising.
The gameplay its self is fun and I really enjoy playing the game. Some features need to be added but people, including TB make it sound worse than it really is. The game is somewhat buggy but its nothing that will just straight out kill you, just kinda glitchy funny things besides the weird fall damage bugs. Overall i've played the game awhile and I have a lot of fun with it and I think it has a lot of potential to be really good.
All of that being said, I feel that Sergey is a complete total idiot. The way he handled that interview was pathetic, some of the decisions he has made is pathetic and blatantly lying on the steam page is stupid. I really like the game and I want it to do well but I am starting to feel that the people in charge might actually be complete idiots.
not saying tb is always right, but the video seems quite convincing. also what is up with the stamina system? this is too funny. i think most mcdonalds fatties can run longer and faster than that.
What do you mean whats up with the stamina system? Real people cannot run for like hours upon hours like you can in DayZ. At least WarZ has a stamina system to where you cannot run forever. It is an easy fix if they wish to increase the stamina.
In Day Z you can only "sprint" for a limited time, Id say 30 seconds or so, then you slow to a "jog". And jogging, irl, can be done for hours at a time.
On December 19 2012 12:47 taLbuk wrote: this game is literally a cash grab, i doubt they will do a single update after their "release"
They did add a patch today. Increased revive timer to four hours but you can now spend real money to revive your character.
Haha, fucking joke of a game.
If you think that's bad, wait until you hear about their anti-cheat system.
Basically the way they flag hackers is, I shit you not, by placing weapons in certain out of reach areas. These weapons are flagged as being for hackers, since the idea is you'd need no clip to pick them up. So if you have it in your inventory, it bans you after a certain amount of time. Now the weapons aren't out of the ordinary and theres no way to tell if its flagged or not.
The problem occurs, in that everyone can reach the no clip areas because the game is so damn glitchy. So you play, accidentally get to a spot your not supposed to pick, pick up a weapon, and then get banned.
Or someone else got it, they got banned, and then you picked up the weapon that banned them and then you get banned.
Its basically the only anti-cheat worse than punkbuster I think I've ever seen.
Glad I didn't pick this one up. On the bright side maybe we'll end up finding out how Valve handles their store page content, I've always been curious about how that's done myself
Question, I haven't played since early alpha (or whatever the fuck), is TB's video representative of what this game looks like today? If so, what in the fuck are the supporters of this game thinking?
On December 19 2012 12:47 taLbuk wrote: this game is literally a cash grab, i doubt they will do a single update after their "release"
They did add a patch today. Increased revive timer to four hours but you can now spend real money to revive your character.
Haha, fucking joke of a game.
If you think that's bad, wait until you hear about their anti-cheat system.
Basically the way they flag hackers is, I shit you not, by placing weapons in certain out of reach areas. These weapons are flagged as being for hackers, since the idea is you'd need no clip to pick them up. So if you have it in your inventory, it bans you after a certain amount of time. Now the weapons aren't out of the ordinary and theres no way to tell if its flagged or not.
The problem occurs, in that everyone can reach the no clip areas because the game is so damn glitchy. So you play, accidentally get to a spot your not supposed to pick, pick up a weapon, and then get banned.
Or someone else got it, they got banned, and then you picked up the weapon that banned them and then you get banned.
Its basically the only anti-cheat worse than punkbuster I think I've ever seen.
That isn't their anti-cheat system that is suppose to fix hackers. Also you can not get banned if you pick one of these weapons up from someone who picked it up. The way it works is if someone picks it up they get flagged and manually watched by a dev/admin than they get banned if found to be hacking. It is a good idea and it worked great, not sure why you would bash this? You are basically making things up saying you get banned for having it even if you don't hack, the devs confirmed this multiple times.
On December 19 2012 12:47 taLbuk wrote: this game is literally a cash grab, i doubt they will do a single update after their "release"
They did add a patch today. Increased revive timer to four hours but you can now spend real money to revive your character.
Haha, fucking joke of a game.
If you think that's bad, wait until you hear about their anti-cheat system.
Basically the way they flag hackers is, I shit you not, by placing weapons in certain out of reach areas. These weapons are flagged as being for hackers, since the idea is you'd need no clip to pick them up. So if you have it in your inventory, it bans you after a certain amount of time. Now the weapons aren't out of the ordinary and theres no way to tell if its flagged or not.
The problem occurs, in that everyone can reach the no clip areas because the game is so damn glitchy. So you play, accidentally get to a spot your not supposed to pick, pick up a weapon, and then get banned.
Or someone else got it, they got banned, and then you picked up the weapon that banned them and then you get banned.
Its basically the only anti-cheat worse than punkbuster I think I've ever seen.
That isn't their anti-cheat system that is suppose to fix hackers. Also you can not get banned if you pick one of these weapons up from someone who picked it up. The way it works is if someone picks it up they get flagged and manually watched by a dev/admin than they get banned if found to be hacking. It is a good idea and it worked great, not sure why you would bash this? You are basically making things up saying you get banned for having it even if you don't hack, the devs confirmed this multiple times.
Well due to the current track record of the game and it's developers, should we really believe what the dev's say?
On December 19 2012 12:47 taLbuk wrote: this game is literally a cash grab, i doubt they will do a single update after their "release"
They did add a patch today. Increased revive timer to four hours but you can now spend real money to revive your character.
Haha, fucking joke of a game.
If you think that's bad, wait until you hear about their anti-cheat system.
Basically the way they flag hackers is, I shit you not, by placing weapons in certain out of reach areas. These weapons are flagged as being for hackers, since the idea is you'd need no clip to pick them up. So if you have it in your inventory, it bans you after a certain amount of time. Now the weapons aren't out of the ordinary and theres no way to tell if its flagged or not.
The problem occurs, in that everyone can reach the no clip areas because the game is so damn glitchy. So you play, accidentally get to a spot your not supposed to pick, pick up a weapon, and then get banned.
Or someone else got it, they got banned, and then you picked up the weapon that banned them and then you get banned.
Its basically the only anti-cheat worse than punkbuster I think I've ever seen.
That isn't their anti-cheat system that is suppose to fix hackers. Also you can not get banned if you pick one of these weapons up from someone who picked it up. The way it works is if someone picks it up they get flagged and manually watched by a dev/admin than they get banned if found to be hacking. It is a good idea and it worked great, not sure why you would bash this? You are basically making things up saying you get banned for having it even if you don't hack, the devs confirmed this multiple times.
Well due to the current track record of the game and it's developers, should we really believe what the dev's say?
They have been shady on some things selling the game but overall they communicate really well with the community and lay out time frames for what will be released and when. So yes when they say something about their game I will believe it. Saying that I still think the way they sold the game on steam was stupid as hell. People think they have been half-assed and not working on their game which is complete bs. They have been updating a lot and keeping the community updated and asking them what they want next.
On December 19 2012 12:47 taLbuk wrote: this game is literally a cash grab, i doubt they will do a single update after their "release"
They did add a patch today. Increased revive timer to four hours but you can now spend real money to revive your character.
Haha, fucking joke of a game.
If you think that's bad, wait until you hear about their anti-cheat system.
Basically the way they flag hackers is, I shit you not, by placing weapons in certain out of reach areas. These weapons are flagged as being for hackers, since the idea is you'd need no clip to pick them up. So if you have it in your inventory, it bans you after a certain amount of time. Now the weapons aren't out of the ordinary and theres no way to tell if its flagged or not.
The problem occurs, in that everyone can reach the no clip areas because the game is so damn glitchy. So you play, accidentally get to a spot your not supposed to pick, pick up a weapon, and then get banned.
Or someone else got it, they got banned, and then you picked up the weapon that banned them and then you get banned.
Its basically the only anti-cheat worse than punkbuster I think I've ever seen.
That isn't their anti-cheat system that is suppose to fix hackers. Also you can not get banned if you pick one of these weapons up from someone who picked it up. The way it works is if someone picks it up they get flagged and manually watched by a dev/admin than they get banned if found to be hacking. It is a good idea and it worked great, not sure why you would bash this? You are basically making things up saying you get banned for having it even if you don't hack, the devs confirmed this multiple times.
Well due to the current track record of the game and it's developers, should we really believe what the dev's say?
They have been shady on some things selling the game but overall they communicate really well with the community and lay out time frames for what will be released and when. So yes when they say something about their game I will believe it. Saying that I still think the way they sold the game on steam was stupid as hell. People think they have been half-assed and not working on their game which is complete bs. They have been updating a lot and keeping the community updated and asking them what they want next.
On December 19 2012 12:47 taLbuk wrote: this game is literally a cash grab, i doubt they will do a single update after their "release"
They did add a patch today. Increased revive timer to four hours but you can now spend real money to revive your character.
Haha, fucking joke of a game.
If you think that's bad, wait until you hear about their anti-cheat system.
Basically the way they flag hackers is, I shit you not, by placing weapons in certain out of reach areas. These weapons are flagged as being for hackers, since the idea is you'd need no clip to pick them up. So if you have it in your inventory, it bans you after a certain amount of time. Now the weapons aren't out of the ordinary and theres no way to tell if its flagged or not.
The problem occurs, in that everyone can reach the no clip areas because the game is so damn glitchy. So you play, accidentally get to a spot your not supposed to pick, pick up a weapon, and then get banned.
Or someone else got it, they got banned, and then you picked up the weapon that banned them and then you get banned.
Its basically the only anti-cheat worse than punkbuster I think I've ever seen.
That isn't their anti-cheat system that is suppose to fix hackers. Also you can not get banned if you pick one of these weapons up from someone who picked it up. The way it works is if someone picks it up they get flagged and manually watched by a dev/admin than they get banned if found to be hacking. It is a good idea and it worked great, not sure why you would bash this? You are basically making things up saying you get banned for having it even if you don't hack, the devs confirmed this multiple times.
Well due to the current track record of the game and it's developers, should we really believe what the dev's say?
They have been shady on some things selling the game but overall they communicate really well with the community and lay out time frames for what will be released and when. So yes when they say something about their game I will believe it. Saying that I still think the way they sold the game on steam was stupid as hell. People think they have been half-assed and not working on their game which is complete bs. They have been updating a lot and keeping the community updated and asking them what they want next.
Do you believe your own lies?
Do you know anything of the game? Have you even played the game more than a bit before bashing it? Have you even read the forums and kept updated with what the devs do? If you do any of this you would see on the forums them talking about their plans, asking the community what they want and actually updating the game and keeping the community updated with what their progress is. Don't call me a liar if you are clueless and blindly jumping on a bashing bandwagon.
First of all, the WarZ devs deserve all the shit they're getting currently. Blatantly lying on Steam, claiming the game is out of alpha/beta without changing anything, that interview, buying stuff for real money that vanishes with the next in-game death. Geez.. Not gonna see my money any time soon.
Having said that, the TB-video seems a tad bit unfair. It's not that all the negative points he points out are wrong. They're all quite valid. But half of them are just as valid for DayZ. Not having a weapon and getting killed for every wrong move you do? Check. Random falling damage from terrain? Check. Running around in the middle of nowhere for minutes on end? Check.
Yet TB's DayZ video involved him being led around by Rocket and having everything explained to him. First impressions really do matter, I suppose.
Then again, WarZ is even worse when it comes to random bugs (and since we're comparing this to DayZ, that is saying a whole lot). Player models not loading after they killed you, impossible reflections, all that micro transaction bullshit.. And TB rightly points out that one game is a game you pay money for, the other is a free mod. So he certainly has a point there.
On December 19 2012 22:23 Conti wrote: First of all, the WarZ devs deserve all the shit they're getting currently. Blatantly lying on Steam, claiming the game is out of alpha/beta without changing anything, that interview, buying stuff for real money that vanishes with the next in-game death. Geez.. Not gonna see my money any time soon.
Having said that, the TB-video seems a tad bit unfair. It's not that all the negative points he points out are wrong. They're all quite valid. But half of them are just as valid for DayZ. Not having a weapon and getting killed for every wrong move you do? Check. Random falling damage from terrain? Check. Running around in the middle of nowhere for minutes on end? Check.
Yet TB's DayZ video involved him being led around by Rocket and having everything explained to him. First impressions really do matter, I suppose.
Then again, WarZ is even worse when it comes to random bugs (and since we're comparing this to DayZ, that is saying a whole lot). Player models not loading after they killed you, impossible reflections, all that micro transaction bullshit.. And TB rightly points out that one game is a game you pay money for, the other is a free mod. So he certainly has a point there.
Player models were fixed in the last patch, also no random bugs are not worse. Never have I logged into WarZ and been stuck in debug zone unable to get out while I had an as50 and m4a1 cco sd. Nor have i bumped a door broke both my legs and died in WarZ. That being said I do agree with what you said that the WarZ Devs have made a lot of mistakes including the one with steam being a major one.
I do like that if you die you lose what you spent ingame money on. Why? Because it would give you an unfair advantage to permanently keep these items you would purchase.
On December 19 2012 22:31 Kamikiri wrote: I do like that if you die you lose what you spent ingame money on. Why? Because it would give you an unfair advantage to permanently keep these items you would purchase.
Thank you for explaining why microtransactions are bad no matter how you look at them. That's another of TB's points, and I totally agree: Charging for a game and then charging for in-game items on top of that is just a really, really, really bad thing.
On December 19 2012 22:31 Kamikiri wrote: I do like that if you die you lose what you spent ingame money on. Why? Because it would give you an unfair advantage to permanently keep these items you would purchase.
Thank you for explaining why microtransactions are bad no matter how you look at them. That's another of TB's points, and I totally agree: Charging for a game and then charging for in-game items on top of that is just a really, really, really bad thing.
I can agree with that - there really is no upside to it IMO. I have said that before on reddit that I feel like the microtransactions shouldn't be a part of the game. Some people on reddit though had some good points to having it though and I guess what it really comes down to is that if you don't want to buy the items than just don't, it won't give you a disadvantage so let those who want to do it.
On December 19 2012 22:23 Conti wrote: First of all, the WarZ devs deserve all the shit they're getting currently. Blatantly lying on Steam, claiming the game is out of alpha/beta without changing anything, that interview, buying stuff for real money that vanishes with the next in-game death. Geez.. Not gonna see my money any time soon.
Having said that, the TB-video seems a tad bit unfair. It's not that all the negative points he points out are wrong. They're all quite valid. But half of them are just as valid for DayZ. Not having a weapon and getting killed for every wrong move you do? Check. Random falling damage from terrain? Check. Running around in the middle of nowhere for minutes on end? Check.
Yet TB's DayZ video involved him being led around by Rocket and having everything explained to him. First impressions really do matter, I suppose.
Then again, WarZ is even worse when it comes to random bugs (and since we're comparing this to DayZ, that is saying a whole lot). Player models not loading after they killed you, impossible reflections, all that micro transaction bullshit.. And TB rightly points out that one game is a game you pay money for, the other is a free mod. So he certainly has a point there.
Yea except DayZ is an alpha version, while the WarZ is being put on steam as its own game.
On December 19 2012 22:31 Kamikiri wrote: I do like that if you die you lose what you spent ingame money on. Why? Because it would give you an unfair advantage to permanently keep these items you would purchase.
Thank you for explaining why microtransactions are bad no matter how you look at them. That's another of TB's points, and I totally agree: Charging for a game and then charging for in-game items on top of that is just a really, really, really bad thing.
it simply doesnt matter if they have a cash shop because you will lose those items anyway and the items you can buy are not really helpfull anyway. TB's video is pure bullshit and the worst I have seen so far from him. He had his premade opinion about WarZ before even starting the game and just ran around to find things which he thinks support his premade opinion.
WarZ has bugs and things that need to be addressed but all of those are avoidable to some degree like the fall damage. But TB blatantly didnt even bother to check the key layout when he started the game nor did he bother to actually try to be good. I mean come on he said "lets sneak a bit" and runs head on into 3 zombies? I mean what the fuck is wrong with people defending this shit?
I am not defending the obvious misinformation the devs published on the steam page but I wont tolerate retarded behavior in order to trash a game. TB could have made a perfectly fine video showing the bugs and problems without additionally acting like an asshole.
I know it's youtube and people want to see shit like that but so far I always was of the opinion that TB was above such behavior, guess I'll have to adjust my opinion of him.
And stop with this bullshit that DayZ is free. It freaking isnt free it's a mod to a game that you have to buy first. I mean come on how many people had ArmA2 before DayZ came out? I bet it was less then 20% of the people that play DayZ now.
On December 19 2012 22:31 Kamikiri wrote: I do like that if you die you lose what you spent ingame money on. Why? Because it would give you an unfair advantage to permanently keep these items you would purchase.
Thank you for explaining why microtransactions are bad no matter how you look at them. That's another of TB's points, and I totally agree: Charging for a game and then charging for in-game items on top of that is just a really, really, really bad thing.
it simply doesnt matter if they have a cash shop because you will lose those items anyway and the items you can buy are not really helpfull anyway. TB's video is pure bullshit and the worst I have seen so far from him. He had his premade opinion about WarZ before even starting the game and just ran around to find things which he thinks support his premade opinion.
WarZ has bugs and things that need to be addressed but all of those are avoidable to some degree like the fall damage. But TB blatantly didnt even bother to check the key layout when he started the game nor did he bother to actually try to be good. I mean come on he said "lets sneak a bit" and runs head on into 3 zombies? I mean what the fuck is wrong with people defending this shit?
I am not defending the obvious misinformation the devs published on the steam page but I wont tolerate retarded behavior in order to trash a game. TB could have made a perfectly fine video showing the bugs and problems without additionally acting like an asshole.
I know it's youtube and people want to see shit like that but so far I always was of the opinion that TB was above such behavior, guess I'll have to adjust my opinion of him.
And stop with this bullshit that DayZ is free. It freaking isnt free it's a mod to a game that you have to buy first. I mean come on how many people had ArmA2 before DayZ came out? I bet it was less then 20% of the people that play DayZ now.
Except for the part he did try to really sneak into somewhere, and had to speed it up, because it was boring as fuck. And in the end the zombies detected him anyway and he didn't find any loot.
On December 19 2012 22:31 Kamikiri wrote: I do like that if you die you lose what you spent ingame money on. Why? Because it would give you an unfair advantage to permanently keep these items you would purchase.
Thank you for explaining why microtransactions are bad no matter how you look at them. That's another of TB's points, and I totally agree: Charging for a game and then charging for in-game items on top of that is just a really, really, really bad thing.
it simply doesnt matter if they have a cash shop because you will lose those items anyway and the items you can buy are not really helpfull anyway. TB's video is pure bullshit and the worst I have seen so far from him. He had his premade opinion about WarZ before even starting the game and just ran around to find things which he thinks support his premade opinion.
WarZ has bugs and things that need to be addressed but all of those are avoidable to some degree like the fall damage. But TB blatantly didnt even bother to check the key layout when he started the game nor did he bother to actually try to be good. I mean come on he said "lets sneak a bit" and runs head on into 3 zombies? I mean what the fuck is wrong with people defending this shit?
I am not defending the obvious misinformation the devs published on the steam page but I wont tolerate retarded behavior in order to trash a game. TB could have made a perfectly fine video showing the bugs and problems without additionally acting like an asshole.
I know it's youtube and people want to see shit like that but so far I always was of the opinion that TB was above such behavior, guess I'll have to adjust my opinion of him.
And stop with this bullshit that DayZ is free. It freaking isnt free it's a mod to a game that you have to buy first. I mean come on how many people had ArmA2 before DayZ came out? I bet it was less then 20% of the people that play DayZ now.
Except for the part he did try to really sneak into somewhere, and had to speed it up, because it was boring as fuck. And in the end the zombies detected him anyway and he didn't find any loot.
so apparently they completely abandoned supporting "war inc." (basically same game) after a couple of months. WOnder how long they'll cling to this one.
On December 19 2012 23:08 Zorkmid wrote: so apparently they completely abandoned supporting "war inc." (basically same game) after a couple of months. WOnder how long they'll cling to this one.
as long as it makes money. Like any reasonable company would.
On December 19 2012 23:08 Zorkmid wrote: so apparently they completely abandoned supporting "war inc." (basically same game) after a couple of months. WOnder how long they'll cling to this one.
Are you really saying that War inc and WarZ are the same game? They use the same engine... Also they already did a roadmap showing their plans for WarZ, if you care(besides bashing the game) go check it out.
Glad I didn't pick this one up. On the bright side maybe we'll end up finding out how Valve handles their store page content, I've always been curious about how that's done myself
On December 19 2012 23:08 Zorkmid wrote: so apparently they completely abandoned supporting "war inc." (basically same game) after a couple of months. WOnder how long they'll cling to this one.
Are you really saying that War inc and WarZ are the same game? They use the same engine... Also they already did a roadmap showing their plans for WarZ, if you care(besides bashing the game) go check it out.
Why would I believe a roadmap when they sell the game advertising features that they don't have. Like not mentioning that the game isn't even finished.
↑ For every 1 responsible consumer who tries to be informed and to buy quality products, there are 10 sheep who are willing to waste their time AND money on shitty products, and are willing to defend them. This is why we can't have nice things. And this is why the video game industry is such a mess. Shame on you guys, shame on you for buying crap and supporting thieves & scammers.
Meh, I don't care if every dev in the world does shit like this. Game is fun, I enjoy it and have enjoyed it from the time I bought it. Well worth the 30 I spent on it. I think I've played something like 100 hours of warz. Super cheap entertainment at that price.
And as I said earlier, at the price it is on steam it's a steal. Great price to fun ratio.
Edit: I love how entitled everyone is, though. Keep on holding to those principles. You guys make me laugh with all your business ethics noise. Every company will attempt to maximize profit. The end. I have realized this. So I just buy games I think will be fun for me.
This game is fun if you're looking for a less realistic dayz with better graphics and less bugs (in my experience). At $13 on steam you won't find a game that accomplishes this better. Listen to those who have given valid disagreements and determine for yourself if the cons raised matter to you. Go on twitch and watch people play the game. If it looks fun to you, go for it.
Is there a way to try out the game for free or something so I don't have to buy it? I played DayZ a lot so I'd like to see what all the fuss is about but I'm not supporting this developer so I won't be paying for it.
On December 20 2012 02:35 Risen wrote: Meh, I don't care if every dev in the world does shit like this. Game is fun, I enjoy it and have enjoyed it from the time I bought it. Well worth the 30 I spent on it. I think I've played something like 100 hours of warz. Super cheap entertainment at that price.
And as I said earlier, at the price it is on steam it's a steal. Great price to fun ratio.
Edit: I love how entitled everyone is, though. Keep on holding to those principles. You guys make me laugh with all your business ethics noise. Every company will attempt to maximize profit. The end. I have realized this. So I just buy games I think will be fun for me.
This game is fun if you're looking for a less realistic dayz with better graphics and less bugs (in my experience). At $13 on steam you won't find a game that accomplishes this better. Listen to those who have given valid disagreements and determine for yourself if the cons raised matter to you. Go on twitch and watch people play the game. If it looks fun to you, go for it.
I'll quote myself since I made a substantial edit. Features? Honestly I don't even read the box when I buy games and I doubt anyone else really does, either. I simply want fun games. This game is fun and enjoyable, especially at such a low price.
Risen, you have low standards and expectations when it comes to video games, and that's ok, to each his own. The problem is that you're not the only one, far from it. You all are the reason why micro-transactions, overpriced DLCs, and unfinished games have been flooding the market for the past few years.
On December 20 2012 02:53 LaNague wrote: i didnt realize that the producer of this game is also responsible for big rigs racing. This is hilarious.
He didn't make big rigs racing, he just sold the engine to the people who made it...
Nope, he was both a programmer and producer of the game (Sergei Titov). You can look at the Wikipedia page for it.
edit: I'm wrong, sorry. You keep saying that you actually did more research than Wikipedia so I believe you, because I have not done equivalent research.
Update: In response to Kotaku's request for comment, Valve issued the following statement:
From time to time a mistake can be made and one was made by prematurely issuing a copy of War Z for sale via Steam. We apologize for this and have temporary removed the sale offering of the title until we have time to work with the developer and have confidence in a new build. Those who purchase the game and wish to continue playing it via Steam may do so. Those who purchased the title via Steam and are unhappy with what they received may seek a refund by creating a ticket at our support site here.
On December 20 2012 02:53 LaNague wrote: i didnt realize that the producer of this game is also responsible for big rigs racing. This is hilarious.
He didn't make big rigs racing, he just sold the engine to the people who made it...
Nope, he was both a programmer and producer of the game (Sergei Titov). You can look at the Wikipedia page for it.
Holy shit. This has been posted a million times. No he did not develop big rigs racing.
He did. He developed the game engine that big rigs was using, and the same faulty amateur work you can see on War inc engine as well which he also worked on.
Update: In response to Kotaku's request for comment, Valve issued the following statement:
From time to time a mistake can be made and one was made by prematurely issuing a copy of War Z for sale via Steam. We apologize for this and have temporary removed the sale offering of the title until we have time to work with the developer and have confidence in a new build. Those who purchase the game and wish to continue playing it via Steam may do so. Those who purchased the title via Steam and are unhappy with what they received may seek a refund by creating a ticket at our support site here.
On December 20 2012 02:56 Al Bundy wrote: Risen, you have low standards and expectations when it comes to video games, and that's ok, to each his own. The problem is that you're not the only one, far from it. You all are the reason why micro-transactions, overpriced DLCs, and unfinished games have been flooding the market for the past few years.
I actually think I have high standards. For games. I just don't have high standards for companies.
Update: In response to Kotaku's request for comment, Valve issued the following statement:
From time to time a mistake can be made and one was made by prematurely issuing a copy of War Z for sale via Steam. We apologize for this and have temporary removed the sale offering of the title until we have time to work with the developer and have confidence in a new build. Those who purchase the game and wish to continue playing it via Steam may do so. Those who purchased the title via Steam and are unhappy with what they received may seek a refund by creating a ticket at our support site here.
Its not crazy at all as the game has been a scam since the start. That some people have actually found something to enjoy with the game is pretty much crazy. This is not about different tastes, the games quality is extremely bad in every field of game design. They have rushed to modify War inc to a zombie survival game after seeing the big success of DayZ but failing to match it, which is no surprise as DayZ is based on an engine thats been worked on by professionals for 10 years.
Rocket is the only guy in the industry that can successfully do a zombie Survivor as he dont care about money, he wanted to create something unique and interesting which he did.
The game itself is bad, yes, but, frankly, so is DayZ. DayZ still has tons of bugs that would never be acceptable in a finished product, and yet a million people played it at one point. I can absolutely understand why people still enjoy playing WarZ. I just can't understand why anyone would still want to throw money at money hungry liars, though.
On December 19 2012 22:23 Conti wrote: First of all, the WarZ devs deserve all the shit they're getting currently. Blatantly lying on Steam, claiming the game is out of alpha/beta without changing anything, that interview, buying stuff for real money that vanishes with the next in-game death. Geez.. Not gonna see my money any time soon.
Having said that, the TB-video seems a tad bit unfair. It's not that all the negative points he points out are wrong. They're all quite valid. But half of them are just as valid for DayZ. Not having a weapon and getting killed for every wrong move you do? Check. Random falling damage from terrain? Check. Running around in the middle of nowhere for minutes on end? Check.
Yet TB's DayZ video involved him being led around by Rocket and having everything explained to him. First impressions really do matter, I suppose.
Then again, WarZ is even worse when it comes to random bugs (and since we're comparing this to DayZ, that is saying a whole lot). Player models not loading after they killed you, impossible reflections, all that micro transaction bullshit.. And TB rightly points out that one game is a game you pay money for, the other is a free mod. So he certainly has a point there.
The difference is DayZ is a free mod for a game and is in ALPHA. WarZ on the other hand requires you to pay $15 dollars up front, has a lot of BS microtransactions and is advertised as a full release. Also, lots and lots of false advertising, if you don't like businesses going full retard and blatantly performing amoral and illegal practices right in front of our faces.
On December 20 2012 05:14 Conti wrote: The game itself is bad, yes, but, frankly, so is DayZ. DayZ still has tons of bugs that would never be acceptable in a finished product, and yet a million people played it at one point. I can absolutely understand why people still enjoy playing WarZ. I just can't understand why anyone would still want to throw money at money hungry liars, though.
Dayz is in alpha. War z was a full release at this point. Despite the fact that people have found numerous incidents of the company having no backbone nor any desire to keep the game running once they felt they had made maximum profits off of it. I wouldn't be surprised to see the game completely disappear after this.
I know all that. My point is that this is not a gameplay problem (unless you count the microtransaction issue), as TB implied. It's a problem of the dev's general attitude that causes all the hugely negative (and deservedly so) reactions.
On December 20 2012 05:28 Conti wrote: I know all that. My point is that this is not a gameplay problem (unless you count the microtransaction issue), as TB implied. It's a problem of the dev's general attitude that causes all the hugely negative (and deservedly so) reactions.
It is a gameplay problem when you are selling your release version (NOT the beta or alpha) with so many egregious errors.
Some of the errors of marketing cross the line into gameplay as well. For example, increasing spawn times from one to four hours and implementing "real money=instant respawn" is a marketing ploy that drastically affects gameplay.
On December 20 2012 05:28 Conti wrote: I know all that. My point is that this is not a gameplay problem (unless you count the microtransaction issue), as TB implied. It's a problem of the dev's general attitude that causes all the hugely negative (and deservedly so) reactions.
It is a gameplay problem when you are selling your release version (NOT the beta or alpha) with so many egregious errors.
Some of the errors of marketing cross the line into gameplay as well. For example, increasing spawn times from one to four hours and implementing "real money=instant respawn" is a marketing ploy that drastically affects gameplay.
It was already planned for respawns to be 4+ hours since the start. But what they didn't tell us was you can pay 50 GC to revive(less than a dollar) its not a lot of money shouldn't be a big deal right? Wrong. The problem is this, you stack your global with guns than you die and you insta revive spawn in with guns and come right back. So if you die with GC, you basically insta revive, come back completely geared knowing where your opponent is and just start killing them. So IMO respawns should be random areas, not in the area you died if this is the case. Overall I think this is complete bullshit.
I really liked this game starting off and I had a lot of fun, the problem is for me is that the devs are doing stupid things and the game is still rampant with hackers. It is like the devs are really just out of touch with reality. Those of you bashing the gameplay, I disagree as I found the gameplay really fun before, atleast for waiting for the DayZ standalone. I am just mad with the way things are turning out now.
^Sounds to me like there was a shift in management at the company. Usually the case when things start taking a more money making approach. Kind of bummed about the recent development as well.
On December 20 2012 02:35 Risen wrote: Meh, I don't care if every dev in the world does shit like this. Game is fun, I enjoy it and have enjoyed it from the time I bought it. Well worth the 30 I spent on it. I think I've played something like 100 hours of warz. Super cheap entertainment at that price.
And as I said earlier, at the price it is on steam it's a steal. Great price to fun ratio.
Edit: I love how entitled everyone is, though. Keep on holding to those principles. You guys make me laugh with all your business ethics noise. Every company will attempt to maximize profit. The end. I have realized this. So I just buy games I think will be fun for me.
This game is fun if you're looking for a less realistic dayz with better graphics and less bugs (in my experience). At $13 on steam you won't find a game that accomplishes this better. Listen to those who have given valid disagreements and determine for yourself if the cons raised matter to you. Go on twitch and watch people play the game. If it looks fun to you, go for it.
Having standards and not wanting companies to outright lie to you about features in the game is being entitled.
Shit man, guess I'm entitled.
Funny how people always revert to "BUT IT'S FUN I PLAY GAMES FOR FUN LOL JUST HAVE FUN" when companies get called out like this. Having to pay more money to temporarily enjoy the game more until I die and have to spend more money to revive in a timely manner in a game I already purchased isn't my idea of fun. You can take the most fun game in the world and ruin it with a cash shop and shitty devs.
That said, I do mean fully and honestly that if this game didn't have such trash devs and such a horrendously made cash shop it would be a great competitor to DayZ -- much needed competition so that Rocket speeds his shit up.
This is far from the worst game I ever played but by in large I can't recommend it to anyone from both a qualitative standpoint and the fact that hackers right now are plaguing the fun out of the game.
Yes the developers are shady as all hell and their cover up in trying to actually defend themselves from lying in the steam page is hilarious to me but War Z at the very least does a decent job at executing the premise that it drew inspiration from (I know WAR Z was in development before DAY Z). Day Z's problem arose because it was held back from the ARMA 2 engine the mod was built upon and sometimes the basic functionality of shooting (hitscans on zombies, animation framework and so on) held back what a game that stood out conceptually that people overlooked the former in favor of what the game did in surrounding yourself in a world where it gives off a wild wild west vibe of every man for himself. War Z has the same appeal but the same functionality issue where it might slightly improved in the ways zombies animate and basic hitscan but doesn't feel good on it's own ground if you stripped the whole "zombie mmo" aspect away from it.
So strip the fact that the developers behind War Z is acting very amateurish, War Z as a game on it's own merit can actually do a decent job at giving you a game where you spend around half a week at most in wonder and leave it behind for you to maybe or maybe not pick it up in the future. Even still, you better LIKE the hell out of the game from a conceptual level because the quality of everything aside from it is poorly done even when given the only direct comparison you can make is with a mod (Day Z). I can't recommend anyone checking this game out even for it's low starting fee otherwise.
I watched the first 20 mins on TB's video on this and honestly I had to turn off as I didn't feel he was approaching the game objectively, seemed his judgement was already predetermined. He also seemed to be doing stupid stuff like running into hordes of zombies and then berating the game when he died.
The whole thing with being removed from Steam has probably doomed this game, livelihoods have been ruined here for certain, regardless of what you think of the game.
I really don't like this game, not on gameplay standards, and cmon guys, its fairly obvious that the development for the game started after dayz blew up, whatever the devs say, i mean really, its basically dayz with some monetization features.
that being said the gameplay is still fun, and it has a layer of polish that dayz currently lacks.
standalone dayz is going to be the best for sure, but this IS better than the dayz mod
On December 20 2012 08:24 3Form wrote: The whole thing with being removed from Steam has probably doomed this game, livelihoods have been ruined here for certain, regardless of what you think of the game.
Very unlikely. The game has been bought already and made quite some money, and people will have to ask steam for a refund to get one. Only a small percentage will do so, so most money will remain with the devs.
On December 20 2012 08:24 3Form wrote: I watched the first 20 mins on TB's video on this and honestly I had to turn off as I didn't feel he was approaching the game objectively, seemed his judgement was already predetermined. He also seemed to be doing stupid stuff like running into hordes of zombies and then berating the game when he died.
I agree. He even outright admitted he went into it expecting it to be bad. The thing I disliked most is how he missed really obvious stuff, and complained about things not even worth complaining about.
I mean, at one point he goes "you'd think there'd be thirst or hunger mechanics in a survival game, but nope", meanwhile I noticed the hunger and thirst bars, right beside the health bar, moments after looking at the UI.
At the end of the day the devs have them selves to blame for this. Games aren't removed from steam just because people think they are bad and get trashed in youtube videos.
TB could have trashed the game to bits without it having any effect if what was actually on the steam page was accurate and the game didn't have many blatant flaws. The devs attitude towards criticism didn't do them any favours either.
On December 20 2012 08:24 3Form wrote: I watched the first 20 mins on TB's video on this and honestly I had to turn off as I didn't feel he was approaching the game objectively, seemed his judgement was already predetermined. He also seemed to be doing stupid stuff like running into hordes of zombies and then berating the game when he died.
I agree. He even outright admitted he went into it expecting it to be bad. The thing I disliked most is how he missed really obvious stuff, and complained about things not even worth complaining about.
I mean, at one point he goes "you'd think there'd be thirst or hunger mechanics in a survival game, but nope", meanwhile I noticed the hunger and thirst bars, right beside the health bar, moments after looking at the UI.
K, good job noticing something as a spectator rather than as a player, but not noticing the correction soon after.
The game fucking sucks. A technical mess dishonestly represented by the developers and sold far too early. You can split hairs over the issue of "objectivity" til the end of time but the fact remains, it's not a finished game and many aspects of it are objectively awful.
Their only mistake was putting it up on Steam and basically "releasing" it (with a wrong feature list). Changing a feature (respawn timer) from Beta to Release is something normal. Their design doc (lol^^) probably had 4 hours all along. That's also a reason why you should listen to reviews from someone who played the released game - not from an (early) beta version.
Also you're an idiot if you pay for an Alpha/Beta game and complain. The same is true for Kickstarter and other crowdfunding stuff. I hope a lot of people learned from their mistake, but probably not.
Basically to quote Al Bundy (with some changes in []):
On December 20 2012 02:29 Al Bundy wrote: For every 1 responsible consumer who tries to be informed and to buy quality products, there are 10 sheep who are willing to waste their time AND money on shitty products [...] And this is why the video game industry is such a mess. Shame on you guys, shame on you for buying crap [in the first place]
On December 20 2012 10:22 Zocat wrote: Their only mistake was putting it up on Steam and basically "releasing" it (with a wrong feature list). Changing a feature (respawn timer) from Beta to Release is something normal. Their design doc (lol^^) probably had 4 hours all along. That's also a reason why you should listen to reviews from someone who played the released game - not from an (early) beta version.
Also you're an idiot if you pay for an Alpha/Beta game and complain. The same is true for Kickstarter and other crowdfunding stuff. I hope a lot of people learned from their mistake, but probably not.
Basically to quote Al Bundy (with some changes in []):
On December 20 2012 02:29 Al Bundy wrote: For every 1 responsible consumer who tries to be informed and to buy quality products, there are 10 sheep who are willing to waste their time AND money on shitty products [...] And this is why the video game industry is such a mess. Shame on you guys, shame on you for buying crap [in the first place]
Agreed with the quote. The fact that the game is number 1 on steam right now is fucking embarrassing. It's a horrible, shambled mess. I don't understand how people can buy a game forged by a company that's done nothing but lie, nor enjoy this particular game.
Everyone kept saying that sergey said the vehicles would be coming in January or something. That is pretty important, so how come he didn't list that in the next 3 month agenda?? -_____________-
"It’s definitely a very fun game, though it lacks the polish of titles like COD, Far Cry, PlanetSide 2, etc.—but it’s very solid, stable and fun game."
I agree 100%.
Edit: I didn't even notice the no vehicles thing. That's lame :/ The thing that takes the fun away for me in this game is having to hoof it everywhere and how long that can take. I want the option to take a risk by driving a car so I can get there faster (the reward)
"It’s definitely a very fun game, though it lacks the polish of titles like COD, Far Cry, PlanetSide 2, etc.—but it’s very solid, stable and fun game."
I agree 100%.
Edit: I didn't even notice the no vehicles thing. That's lame :/ The thing that takes the fun away for me in this game is having to hoof it everywhere and how long that can take. I want the option to take a risk by driving a car so I can get there faster (the reward)
He responded to a post on the forums and he said Vehicles will be out early January.
"It’s definitely a very fun game, though it lacks the polish of titles like COD, Far Cry, PlanetSide 2, etc.—but it’s very solid, stable and fun game."
I agree 100%.
Edit: I didn't even notice the no vehicles thing. That's lame :/ The thing that takes the fun away for me in this game is having to hoof it everywhere and how long that can take. I want the option to take a risk by driving a car so I can get there faster (the reward)
He responded to a post on the forums and he said Vehicles will be out early January.
Hopefully by the end of 2015 then, and surely not for more than a million in-game money-stuffs.
i really wonder how the vehicles would work. I doubt i'd be able to stash my car in a bush somewhere T_T. I'm definitely going to try and join servers to GTA fools when cars come in the game
Lolololol, this game is such a hilarious trainwreck, all brought to you by the lead programmer of Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing.
Also, for the record @everyone who's calling out TB for being bad at the game: at what point does the game tell you, mechanically or textually, ANYTHING about what you're supposed to be doing, what crap is, etc? For instance: how are you supposed to know that Zombies ONLY die from headshots with actual guns and can 1 shot you? It's impossible to figure out the former without some sort of strategy guide or great luck and the latter until you actually get killed. Not to mention spawning multiple people in a PvP FFA game in the exact same place, the graphics looking like a PS2 game, and the useless microtransaction model and you can't really defend the game on any merit.
Lolololol, this game is such a hilarious trainwreck, all brought to you by the lead programmer of Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing.
Also, for the record @everyone who's calling out TB for being bad at the game: at what point does the game tell you, mechanically or textually, ANYTHING about what you're supposed to be doing, what crap is, etc? For instance: how are you supposed to know that Zombies ONLY die from headshots with actual guns and can 1 shot you? It's impossible to figure out the former without some sort of strategy guide or great luck and the latter until you actually get killed. Not to mention spawning multiple people in a PvP FFA game in the exact same place, the graphics looking like a PS2 game, and the useless microtransaction model and you can't really defend the game on any merit.
Hes not the league programmer of big rigs..Why do you people keep saying this shit it was proven not to be true. Just get out of here also since when can zombies one shot you wtf? My god you people are just bitching to bitch, the devs made a mistake and did a really stupid thing. The game its self is fun and I enjoy it along with the other MASSIVE amount of people playing it.
Lolololol, this game is such a hilarious trainwreck, all brought to you by the lead programmer of Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing.
Also, for the record @everyone who's calling out TB for being bad at the game: at what point does the game tell you, mechanically or textually, ANYTHING about what you're supposed to be doing, what crap is, etc? For instance: how are you supposed to know that Zombies ONLY die from headshots with actual guns and can 1 shot you? It's impossible to figure out the former without some sort of strategy guide or great luck and the latter until you actually get killed. Not to mention spawning multiple people in a PvP FFA game in the exact same place, the graphics looking like a PS2 game, and the useless microtransaction model and you can't really defend the game on any merit.
Hes not the league programmer of big rigs..Why do you people keep saying this shit it was proven not to be true. Just get out of here also since when can zombies one shot you wtf? My god you people are just bitching to bitch, the devs made a mistake and did a really stupid thing. The game its self is fun and I enjoy it along with the other MASSIVE amount of people playing it.
You enjoy supporting a company that has done nothing but copy/paste the entire game and music from other things? A company that has done nothing but lie to it's community and break promises? A company that will turn tail and leave the game the second it sees quarterly sales drop? It's people like you that have destroyed the video game community. Shitty remakes and horrible business and yet you still support them. And people wonder why CoD is still successfull.
Lolololol, this game is such a hilarious trainwreck, all brought to you by the lead programmer of Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing.
Also, for the record @everyone who's calling out TB for being bad at the game: at what point does the game tell you, mechanically or textually, ANYTHING about what you're supposed to be doing, what crap is, etc? For instance: how are you supposed to know that Zombies ONLY die from headshots with actual guns and can 1 shot you? It's impossible to figure out the former without some sort of strategy guide or great luck and the latter until you actually get killed. Not to mention spawning multiple people in a PvP FFA game in the exact same place, the graphics looking like a PS2 game, and the useless microtransaction model and you can't really defend the game on any merit.
Hes not the league programmer of big rigs..Why do you people keep saying this shit it was proven not to be true. Just get out of here also since when can zombies one shot you wtf? My god you people are just bitching to bitch, the devs made a mistake and did a really stupid thing. The game its self is fun and I enjoy it along with the other MASSIVE amount of people playing it.
You enjoy supporting a company that has done nothing but copy/paste the entire game and music from other things? A company that has done nothing but lie to it's community and break promises? A company that will turn tail and leave the game the second it sees quarterly sales drop? It's people like you that have destroyed the video game community. Shitty remakes and horrible business and yet you still support them. And people wonder why CoD is still successfull.
This company and this game literally impersonate everything that is bad about gaming today. The companies morals are highly questionable, and the game itself couldn't be a more obvious blatant cash-grab made by low-quality developers. It needs to die in a fire. People who actually enjoy those kinds of games and glance over anything the company does significantly add to the detrimental values of our current gaming economy, encouraging other developers to walk along the same path.
On December 20 2012 05:28 Conti wrote: I know all that. My point is that this is not a gameplay problem (unless you count the microtransaction issue), as TB implied. It's a problem of the dev's general attitude that causes all the hugely negative (and deservedly so) reactions.
It is a gameplay problem when you are selling your release version (NOT the beta or alpha) with so many egregious errors.
Some of the errors of marketing cross the line into gameplay as well. For example, increasing spawn times from one to four hours and implementing "real money=instant respawn" is a marketing ploy that drastically affects gameplay.
It was already planned for respawns to be 4+ hours since the start. But what they didn't tell us was you can pay 50 GC to revive(less than a dollar) its not a lot of money shouldn't be a big deal right? Wrong. The problem is this, you stack your global with guns than you die and you insta revive spawn in with guns and come right back. So if you die with GC, you basically insta revive, come back completely geared knowing where your opponent is and just start killing them. So IMO respawns should be random areas, not in the area you died if this is the case. Overall I think this is complete bullshit.
I really liked this game starting off and I had a lot of fun, the problem is for me is that the devs are doing stupid things and the game is still rampant with hackers. It is like the devs are really just out of touch with reality. Those of you bashing the gameplay, I disagree as I found the gameplay really fun before, atleast for waiting for the DayZ standalone. I am just mad with the way things are turning out now.
if i hack does that mean i can avoid the 4+ hour respawn? it's not like they're going to ban for it. seems they ban pretty randomly no matter if you hack or not.
this game is just the lulz at this point. FFA clusterfuck in what is so clearly a scam.
Can you guys just stop coming in here spewing bullshit and bashing the game? Most of what you are saying is exaggerated bullshit that isn't true. Just leave unless you know what you are talking about please.
On December 20 2012 18:07 Kamikiri wrote: Can you guys just stop coming in here spewing bullshit and bashing the game? Most of what you are saying is exaggerated bullshit that isn't true. Just leave unless you know what you are talking about please.
it's actually not. the talk of him being a scammer is 100% true if you just take the time to do a bit of research on the guy.
research big rig racing. this guy is a con man. and everyone who bought the warz got taken.
An article on WarZ map size. ESP users are claiming ~30 square kilometers, using developer numbers. Measuring using the WarZ human model as a reference is getting ~10 square kilometers.
On December 20 2012 18:07 Kamikiri wrote: Can you guys just stop coming in here spewing bullshit and bashing the game? Most of what you are saying is exaggerated bullshit that isn't true. Just leave unless you know what you are talking about please.
Well, from what I have seen, it seems this game is very quickly hacked together in a way you'd make a game when you want to make something in as little amount of time as possible. Look at the way reflections on water work, that's probably the dirtiest but quickest way you can implement that. They just mirrow what is drawn on the screen above the water onto the water, no matter of it's position in 3d space. They don't even bother to exclude the viewmodel from that.
I mean, I don't have experience making games, but I am a software developer. Their roadmap from this interview looks implausible, mainly because he keeps talking about stronghold maps in plural. Although I'm not sure what exactly he means, a whole new game mode with multiple maps takes time and they also promised a new bigger map and they also haven't implemented a lot of the features they actualyl promise. He doesn't seem to value truth very much anyway, I mean when you write 100 players, who really expect there to actually be 99 other players? So when he talks about stronghold maps, he probably just means one map in a barely working game mode, I can see them getting that done actually.
It must be annoying when everyone bashes a game you actually like for some reason. I'm not interested in the genre (army fpss are too large and slow, putting in zombies doesn't save them) either way, but this game does looks like it deserves a lot of the flak its getting.
Also, for the record @everyone who's calling out TB for being bad at the game: at what point does the game tell you, mechanically or textually, ANYTHING about what you're supposed to be doing, what crap is, etc? For instance: how are you supposed to know that Zombies ONLY die from headshots with actual guns and can 1 shot you? It's impossible to figure out the former without some sort of strategy guide or great luck and the latter until you actually get killed. Not to mention spawning multiple people in a PvP FFA game in the exact same place, the graphics looking like a PS2 game, and the useless microtransaction model and you can't really defend the game on any merit.
I assume that's directed at me, I'm not calling him out on being bad at the game, please reread what I posted. It's just the video felt more like an execution than any attempt at a review. I was actually genuinely interested in seeing how the game played. Like I said, I have no intention of playing this game as it does indeed seem to be completely unfinished. But the pitchforks appear to be out, even amongst hordes of cretins that haven't even played the damn game. Have you played it?
On December 20 2012 18:07 Kamikiri wrote: Can you guys just stop coming in here spewing bullshit and bashing the game? Most of what you are saying is exaggerated bullshit that isn't true. Just leave unless you know what you are talking about please.
it's actually not. the talk of him being a scammer is 100% true if you just take the time to do a bit of research on the guy.
research big rig racing. this guy is a con man. and everyone who bought the warz got taken.
I did research big rig racing and it CLEARLY states that sergey was improperly titled Lead programmer for the game when all he did was sell the engine to the company.
On December 20 2012 18:07 Kamikiri wrote: Can you guys just stop coming in here spewing bullshit and bashing the game? Most of what you are saying is exaggerated bullshit that isn't true. Just leave unless you know what you are talking about please.
it's actually not. the talk of him being a scammer is 100% true if you just take the time to do a bit of research on the guy.
research big rig racing. this guy is a con man. and everyone who bought the warz got taken.
I did research big rig racing and it CLEARLY states that sergey was improperly titled Lead programmer for the game when all he did was sell the engine to the company.
I heard that he tried editing the Wikipedia page in order to try and remove that particular credit. What research did you do? Occam seems to imply that he was in charge of Big Rigs
On December 20 2012 23:28 Zorkmid wrote: Did someone hack the subreddit? Big orange screen that suggests donating "refund for this crap to charity".
Not sure, just on an ipad that I've never used, unsure
I just took a quick look, it appears the mod shut it down himself. The orange page links to a thread where it recommends sending your refund money to a charity.
Also, for the record @everyone who's calling out TB for being bad at the game: at what point does the game tell you, mechanically or textually, ANYTHING about what you're supposed to be doing, what crap is, etc? For instance: how are you supposed to know that Zombies ONLY die from headshots with actual guns and can 1 shot you? It's impossible to figure out the former without some sort of strategy guide or great luck and the latter until you actually get killed. Not to mention spawning multiple people in a PvP FFA game in the exact same place, the graphics looking like a PS2 game, and the useless microtransaction model and you can't really defend the game on any merit.
I assume that's directed at me, I'm not calling him out on being bad at the game, please reread what I posted. It's just the video felt more like an execution than any attempt at a review. I was actually genuinely interested in seeing how the game played. Like I said, I have no intention of playing this game as it does indeed seem to be completely unfinished. But the pitchforks appear to be out, even amongst hordes of cretins that haven't even played the damn game. Have you played it?
It's because the video isn't a review at all. his WTF videos are videos where he picks up a game, depending on the genre/type of game he either plays a bit so he's past tutorial stuff and then plays the game and tells what he likes and doesn't like of what he comes across. It's more of a first impressions video then a very throughout review after finishing up a game.
On December 20 2012 02:35 Risen wrote: Meh, I don't care if every dev in the world does shit like this. Game is fun, I enjoy it and have enjoyed it from the time I bought it. Well worth the 30 I spent on it. I think I've played something like 100 hours of warz. Super cheap entertainment at that price.
And as I said earlier, at the price it is on steam it's a steal. Great price to fun ratio.
Edit: I love how entitled everyone is, though. Keep on holding to those principles. You guys make me laugh with all your business ethics noise. Every company will attempt to maximize profit. The end. I have realized this. So I just buy games I think will be fun for me.
This game is fun if you're looking for a less realistic dayz with better graphics and less bugs (in my experience). At $13 on steam you won't find a game that accomplishes this better. Listen to those who have given valid disagreements and determine for yourself if the cons raised matter to you. Go on twitch and watch people play the game. If it looks fun to you, go for it.
I'd like to state this isn't really a direct attack at you, but it's a general statement that you will probably find offensive.
This is the mentality that allows developers to produce poor quality games in this day and age. Imagine if the NES game Action 52 was released today, or E.T on Atari. People would eat that garbage up and the only argument they can bring to the table in favour of the game would be "ITS FUN". When did the standard of games drop so sharply? Being a kid growing up in the full spectrum of the 90's I can personally attest that bad games died out very quickly. Maybe people were more frugal with their money? I don't know the exact cause. But the common (casual) gamer seems to be happy with mediocrity.
Just because something is "fun" to you doesn't mean it applies to everyone. I always hear the same dumb crap being thrown around like "entitlement" and "vocal minority". You can't even deny that the business ethics this company is using is extremely shady.
The bottom line this game is a scam in it's current state. Mainly because of the features that the game promised to have, and to a lesser extent the micro-transactions.
Side note: Companies should not be allowed to release half-assed games. It's like virtually every company out there rushes their games out the door and they get backlash from the community for it. I'm getting tired of it. Like no other company in any other field of production and sales could do this. Imagine if car companies sold you half finished cars and you just had to wait 3 months until they'd send you car seats. Or a fast food place sells you a hamburger but it's only the bun and condiments. You just have to wait a couple weeks for the burger.
On December 21 2012 00:29 Krohm wrote: Side note: Companies should not be allowed to release half-assed games. It's like virtually every company out there rushes their games out the door and they get backlash from the community for it. I'm getting tired of it. Like no other company in any other field of production and sales could do this. Imagine if car companies sold you half finished cars and you just had to wait 3 months until they'd send you car seats. Or a fast food place sells you a hamburger but it's only the bun and condiments. You just have to wait a couple weeks for the burger.
The cause for this is actually really easy to ping down. The internet. Now that everyone has a connection at some point and companies can update there game on the fly there is less of a "need" for them to perform.
Back in the (god that makes me sound old) you went to a store to buy a game and the state you bought it in would be how the game would be for all time so developers made much more effort to make sure there games were finished and bug free because anything that was wrong would be wrong forever.
Yet today it seems like half the games on the market aren't even completed until several months after release and multiple patches later.
Also, for the record @everyone who's calling out TB for being bad at the game: at what point does the game tell you, mechanically or textually, ANYTHING about what you're supposed to be doing, what crap is, etc? For instance: how are you supposed to know that Zombies ONLY die from headshots with actual guns and can 1 shot you? It's impossible to figure out the former without some sort of strategy guide or great luck and the latter until you actually get killed. Not to mention spawning multiple people in a PvP FFA game in the exact same place, the graphics looking like a PS2 game, and the useless microtransaction model and you can't really defend the game on any merit.
I assume that's directed at me, I'm not calling him out on being bad at the game, please reread what I posted. It's just the video felt more like an execution than any attempt at a review. I was actually genuinely interested in seeing how the game played. Like I said, I have no intention of playing this game as it does indeed seem to be completely unfinished. But the pitchforks appear to be out, even amongst hordes of cretins that haven't even played the damn game. Have you played it?
It's because the video isn't a review at all. his WTF videos are videos where he picks up a game, depending on the genre/type of game he either plays a bit so he's past tutorial stuff and then plays the game and tells what he likes and doesn't like of what he comes across. It's more of a first impressions video then a very throughout review after finishing up a game.
Fair enough, replace "review" in my post with "first look" and it still illustrates my thought. Like I said, I was actually genuinely interested in seeing how the game played. Instead the video was just moan moan moan right from the get go. Putting a game down on it's graphics is really cheap. I mean, fair enough if he'd reached these conclusions after ten minutes of playing, but when it starts with such a negative attitude one probably isn't going to get much out of it.
This is probably why I don't watch his videos much and probably why I should just avoid them in future. It was a mistake, youtubing "WarZ Gameplay" would probably have yielded something more suitable.
Also, for the record @everyone who's calling out TB for being bad at the game: at what point does the game tell you, mechanically or textually, ANYTHING about what you're supposed to be doing, what crap is, etc? For instance: how are you supposed to know that Zombies ONLY die from headshots with actual guns and can 1 shot you? It's impossible to figure out the former without some sort of strategy guide or great luck and the latter until you actually get killed. Not to mention spawning multiple people in a PvP FFA game in the exact same place, the graphics looking like a PS2 game, and the useless microtransaction model and you can't really defend the game on any merit.
I assume that's directed at me, I'm not calling him out on being bad at the game, please reread what I posted. It's just the video felt more like an execution than any attempt at a review. I was actually genuinely interested in seeing how the game played. Like I said, I have no intention of playing this game as it does indeed seem to be completely unfinished. But the pitchforks appear to be out, even amongst hordes of cretins that haven't even played the damn game. Have you played it?
It's because the video isn't a review at all. his WTF videos are videos where he picks up a game, depending on the genre/type of game he either plays a bit so he's past tutorial stuff and then plays the game and tells what he likes and doesn't like of what he comes across. It's more of a first impressions video then a very throughout review after finishing up a game.
Fair enough, replace "review" in my post with "first look" and it still illustrates my thought. Like I said, I was actually genuinely interested in seeing how the game played. Instead the video was just moan moan moan right from the get go. Putting a game down on it's graphics is really cheap. I mean, fair enough if he'd reached these conclusions after ten minutes of playing, but when it starts with such a negative attitude one probably isn't going to get much out of it.
This is probably why I don't watch his videos much and probably why I should just avoid them in future. It was a mistake, youtubing "WarZ Gameplay" would probably have yielded something more suitable.
That video wasn't really part of his "Wtf is..." series so it was neither a first look or a review. He obviously just wanted to make a video to point out everything he saw wrong with the game, not present a objective look about at the gameplay, like it or not.
Also, for the record @everyone who's calling out TB for being bad at the game: at what point does the game tell you, mechanically or textually, ANYTHING about what you're supposed to be doing, what crap is, etc? For instance: how are you supposed to know that Zombies ONLY die from headshots with actual guns and can 1 shot you? It's impossible to figure out the former without some sort of strategy guide or great luck and the latter until you actually get killed. Not to mention spawning multiple people in a PvP FFA game in the exact same place, the graphics looking like a PS2 game, and the useless microtransaction model and you can't really defend the game on any merit.
I assume that's directed at me, I'm not calling him out on being bad at the game, please reread what I posted. It's just the video felt more like an execution than any attempt at a review. I was actually genuinely interested in seeing how the game played. Like I said, I have no intention of playing this game as it does indeed seem to be completely unfinished. But the pitchforks appear to be out, even amongst hordes of cretins that haven't even played the damn game. Have you played it?
It's because the video isn't a review at all. his WTF videos are videos where he picks up a game, depending on the genre/type of game he either plays a bit so he's past tutorial stuff and then plays the game and tells what he likes and doesn't like of what he comes across. It's more of a first impressions video then a very throughout review after finishing up a game.
Fair enough, replace "review" in my post with "first look" and it still illustrates my thought. Like I said, I was actually genuinely interested in seeing how the game played. Instead the video was just moan moan moan right from the get go. Putting a game down on it's graphics is really cheap. I mean, fair enough if he'd reached these conclusions after ten minutes of playing, but when it starts with such a negative attitude one probably isn't going to get much out of it.
This is probably why I don't watch his videos much and probably why I should just avoid them in future. It was a mistake, youtubing "WarZ Gameplay" would probably have yielded something more suitable.
That video wasn't really part of his "Wtf is..." series so it was neither a first look or a review. He obviously just wanted to make a video to point out everything he saw wrong with the game, not present a objective look about at the gameplay, like it or not.
TB had some valid points. He spawned and was killed by a flying backpack. Then he walked around like 20-30minutes and all he could do was move around the map without any interaction at all despite checking the map for a good direction to head to.
But the way he presented it seemed a bit too biased against the game. It looked liked someone playing a tvz and running with mass marines into speedlings and banelings on creep. After watching his video I can agree that the game is lacking in too many areas to be worth even 15euro.
On December 21 2012 08:17 Dirkinity wrote: Looks like this is one of the worst games ever made. What a joke! I hope they get kicked out of business soon.
Worst game ever made, 180k people play daily saying they love the game with 700k people currently owning the game.
Edit: To Gawk, WarZ has less walking around than DayZ does and DayZ is considered a great game by most people including me.
I don't think so. I played DayZ and it was really rare that I walked around for more than 10minutes without finding anything. In Dayz there are many small item spawns that draw my attention because there might be good stuff.
In warz TB walked around about 30minutes and didn't find anything (despite having a map and using it). Of course that can happen in DayZ aswell, but he was literally walking around for 30minutes without any interaction at all. No 0.05% drop locations and the terrain is boring aswell.
In DayZ I can see that the world I am spawned in is huge, but in WarZ the terrain is much smaller. So walking around in DayZ is more exciting because the map is much bigger and has more interesting desing than the map in WarZ.
And you can tell from a horrible TB video. It's TB so I'm not surprised he did something enquirer level, he's gotta get those views to stay relevant and this was an easy target, but people are actually relying on his video for information. You don't quote the enquirer, why quote a TB video like that?
I would really like an honest review from someone that actually pays the game in a non-biased manner. Non-biased probably isn't going to happen because of all the pr blunders, but I hope an ign style review comes out for people to point to.
On December 21 2012 10:06 Risen wrote: And you can tell from a horrible TB video. It's TB so I'm not surprised he did something enquirer level, he's gotta get those views to stay relevant and this was an easy target, but people are actually relying on his video for information. You don't quote the enquirer, why quote a TB video like that?
I would really like an honest review from someone that actually pays the game in a non-biased manner. Non-biased probably isn't going to happen because of all the pr blunders, but I hope an ign style review comes out for people to point to.
Note: ign-style, not from ign.
Because in TBs video I can see him walking around and interacting with the environment of WarZ. And it is boring as hell.
I saw a post about the size of the only availible map is about 10-50 sqm compared to the advertised 100-400sqm. Then I compare TBs movement on the minimap compared to DayZ and come to the conclusion that the WarZ environment ist not an open world but more like a large map. The DayZ environment feels more realistic than die WarZ one.
When I walk around in DayZ there are many small villages, small houses with possible (low level) item locations and some high level areas mixed in. The WarZ environment just looks bad; the trees are big but there are very few. In DayZ there are many trees but they are of normal size, like I would expect.
In DayZ I can stand on the top of a hill and look far into the valley, in WarZ (streams) I didn't see such an open field yet.
On December 20 2012 08:24 3Form wrote: I watched the first 20 mins on TB's video on this and honestly I had to turn off as I didn't feel he was approaching the game objectively, seemed his judgement was already predetermined. He also seemed to be doing stupid stuff like running into hordes of zombies and then berating the game when he died.
I agree. He even outright admitted he went into it expecting it to be bad. The thing I disliked most is how he missed really obvious stuff, and complained about things not even worth complaining about.
I mean, at one point he goes "you'd think there'd be thirst or hunger mechanics in a survival game, but nope", meanwhile I noticed the hunger and thirst bars, right beside the health bar, moments after looking at the UI.
K, good job noticing something as a spectator rather than as a player, but not noticing the correction soon after.
The game fucking sucks. A technical mess dishonestly represented by the developers and sold far too early. You can split hairs over the issue of "objectivity" til the end of time but the fact remains, it's not a finished game and many aspects of it are objectively awful.
Don't recall ever saying I supported the game, I said the guy was bad at reviewing. Way to just ignore my actual point.
On December 20 2012 08:24 3Form wrote: I watched the first 20 mins on TB's video on this and honestly I had to turn off as I didn't feel he was approaching the game objectively, seemed his judgement was already predetermined. He also seemed to be doing stupid stuff like running into hordes of zombies and then berating the game when he died.
I agree. He even outright admitted he went into it expecting it to be bad. The thing I disliked most is how he missed really obvious stuff, and complained about things not even worth complaining about.
I mean, at one point he goes "you'd think there'd be thirst or hunger mechanics in a survival game, but nope", meanwhile I noticed the hunger and thirst bars, right beside the health bar, moments after looking at the UI.
K, good job noticing something as a spectator rather than as a player, but not noticing the correction soon after.
The game fucking sucks. A technical mess dishonestly represented by the developers and sold far too early. You can split hairs over the issue of "objectivity" til the end of time but the fact remains, it's not a finished game and many aspects of it are objectively awful.
Don't recall ever saying I supported the game, I said the guy was bad at reviewing. Way to just ignore my actual point.
On December 21 2012 10:06 Risen wrote: And you can tell from a horrible TB video. It's TB so I'm not surprised he did something enquirer level, he's gotta get those views to stay relevant and this was an easy target, but people are actually relying on his video for information. You don't quote the enquirer, why quote a TB video like that?
I would really like an honest review from someone that actually pays the game in a non-biased manner. Non-biased probably isn't going to happen because of all the pr blunders, but I hope an ign style review comes out for people to point to.
Note: ign-style, not from ign.
It's hard to stay unbiased when the game is clearly lying about the product, and having an absolutely ridiculous monetisation scheme. Also, TB doesn't review games, he did with War Z what he does with all his other videos; first impressions.
No sane reviewer is going to defend/review this game because there's nothing to defend/review. It's shit. Thank god I decided to watch some streams before buying it. The screenshots looked nice, but the real game is nothing like.
On December 21 2012 10:06 Risen wrote: And you can tell from a horrible TB video. It's TB so I'm not surprised he did something enquirer level, he's gotta get those views to stay relevant and this was an easy target, but people are actually relying on his video for information. You don't quote the enquirer, why quote a TB video like that?
I would really like an honest review from someone that actually pays the game in a non-biased manner. Non-biased probably isn't going to happen because of all the pr blunders, but I hope an ign style review comes out for people to point to.
Note: ign-style, not from ign.
It's hard to stay unbiased when the game is clearly lying about the product, and having an absolutely ridiculous monetisation scheme. Also, TB doesn't review games, he did with War Z what he does with all his other videos; first impressions.
Tbh the only reason TB made this video is because he's on a crusade against Steam. I've heard him bashing steam for games having a hard time getting on it. I've heard him bash it for how some bad games have gotten on it. Heard him bash it because it offers alot of great deals so alot more people will use it. I've heard him bash it for so many things i don't even remember half of it.
War Z just happens to have this stigma about it and all the controversy so he took the warz train so he could go with the 'Steam is so bad and it's all their fault!' angle.
And something related to War Z, haven't tried it yet. Looked into it abit but thought it could be a super quick dayz lookey-likey to ride that wave and get some money. Got alittle bit iffy about it looked into the game some more, it seems kinda interesting. But not as it is right now, going to wait and see if it actually makes any progress and might pick it up in the future.
No sane reviewer is going to defend/review this game because there's nothing to defend/review. It's shit. Thank god I decided to watch some streams before buying it. The screenshots looked nice, but the real game is nothing like.
AGAIN TB haters pop into this thread calling his videos reviews.
Its not a review it never has been and everything he has said about the game is factual and valid.. please TB Haters get a life
this issue is about a horrible dev lying about a bad game ripping people off and having illegal business pratices.. TB was just nice enough to point these douchebag devs out to everyone..
So please stay on the issue and take your TB hate elsewhere
On December 21 2012 12:09 Jepsyn wrote: AGAIN TB haters pop into this thread calling his videos reviews.
Its not a review it never has been and everything he has said about the game is factual and valid.. please TB Haters get a life
this issue is about a horrible dev lying about a bad game ripping people off and having illegal business pratices.. TB was just nice enough to point these douchebag devs out to everyone..
So please stay on the issue and take your TB hate elsewhere
I had never seen him before that video, nor would I care enough about him to actively hate him lol. Seems like you're pretty obsessed with the guy though.
Its pretty unbelievable whats happening there... They can claim whatever they want, that their game was in development for x amount of time, that their not doing all the stuff they get accused of.
but you can see how crappy the game is and how scammy the business model is. There is proof that they deceive their customers and are plagiarizing content. LoL Eula, all those pictures.. thats just the tip of the iceberg. when you see how that game is designed.. you clearly can tell that everything is a rip-off. They lied so much, i dont believe a single word.
Its pretty sad because that makes indy games and the industry look really bad. Despite there are so many cool indy games like chivalry or minecraft that are really awesome and worth it. Stuff like this makes it harder to be successful for this way of producing games, because you cant really trust what you see even on steam pages..
Just gonna say, I find it rather humorous that people keep focusing on how TB viewed the game but never spent a single sentence to discuss the things he brought up. It's always "Oh that wasn't a fair way to approach the game" or "STOP HATING ON HIM HES MY FAVORITE YOUTUBER" or just talking about the production of the video or what color tie he was wearing but nothing talking about what he actually said. In fact, about 90% of the discussion on that video happens to be that people are saying he's biased. I mean look at these quotes
And you can tell from a horrible TB video. It's TB so I'm not surprised he did something enquirer level, he's gotta get those views to stay relevant and this was an easy target
I would really like an honest review from someone that actually pays the game in a non-biased manner.
Tbh the only reason TB made this video is because he's on a crusade against Steam
Nothing talking about the content of the video or refuting any of his complaints. Just criticizing the creator itself or taking the attention away from the actual content as much as possible. Even pages back just to make sure I didn't miss any actual discussion on the content of the video. Just more rabbling about what's the difference between a "review" and "first impressions" and how TB is a mad hater and a lot of bias. If there's actually a well developed post discussing the points made in that TB video, whether for or against, I'd love to see it because I sure as hell can't find it.
But man, this is just a prime example of why I don't buy into hype and wait at least a week before buying a new game.
On December 21 2012 14:16 Fruscainte wrote: Just gonna say, I find it rather humorous that people keep focusing on how TB viewed the game but never spent a single sentence to discuss the things he brought up. It's always "Oh that wasn't a fair way to approach the game" or "STOP HATING ON HIM HES MY FAVORITE YOUTUBER" or just talking about the production of the video or what color tie he was wearing but nothing talking about what he actually said. In fact, about 90% of the discussion on that video happens to be that people are saying he's biased. I mean look at these quotes
And you can tell from a horrible TB video. It's TB so I'm not surprised he did something enquirer level, he's gotta get those views to stay relevant and this was an easy target
Tbh the only reason TB made this video is because he's on a crusade against Steam
Nothing talking about the content of the video or refuting any of his complaints. Just criticizing the creator itself or taking the attention away from the actual content as much as possible. Even pages back just to make sure I didn't miss any actual discussion on the content of the video. Just more rabbling about what's the difference between a "review" and "first impressions" and how TB is a mad hater and a lot of bias. If there's actually a well developed post discussing the points made in that TB video, whether for or against, I'd love to see it because I sure as hell can't find it.
But man, this is just a prime example of why I don't buy into hype and wait at least a week before buying a new game.
The things I would do for a thumbs up button sometimes. Really, whether or not TB is biased is irrelevant if he brings up factual points, which he did. Don't dance around the fact that the game's graphics are shit, or that almost fucking everything in the game is ripped off of something else, or that its buggy as shit, or that the devs lied in many different ways about many different things to fucking everyone, or that the business model is completely BS. All that is pretty much fact. Discuss that, not TB.
Meh, just leave the thread if you haven't played the game. A bunch of uninformed idiots Riding TB's dick. Those of us who have actually played the game have talked about gameplay and other things, but you wouldn't know because you haven't actually read the thread beyond your tough guy Internet crusade.
On December 22 2012 00:30 Risen wrote: Meh, just leave the thread if you haven't played the game. A bunch of uninformed idiots Riding TB's dick. Those of us who have actually played the game have talked about gameplay and other things, but you wouldn't know because you haven't actually read the thread beyond your tough guy Internet crusade.
I'm not willing to pay for a dirty moneygrab that goes in your face and right out lies to you about pretty much everything and then comes up with a bullshit PR move.
On December 22 2012 00:30 Risen wrote: Meh, just leave the thread if you haven't played the game. A bunch of uninformed idiots Riding TB's dick. Those of us who have actually played the game have talked about gameplay and other things, but you wouldn't know because you haven't actually read the thread beyond your tough guy Internet crusade.
I'm not willing to pay for a dirty moneygrab that goes in your face and right out lies to you about pretty much everything and then comes up with a bullshit PR move.
then what are you doing here, in a thread for people that have the game? You might as well post on youtube, I think that audience is more suited to what you are able to write.
On December 22 2012 00:30 Risen wrote: Meh, just leave the thread if you haven't played the game. A bunch of uninformed idiots Riding TB's dick. Those of us who have actually played the game have talked about gameplay and other things, but you wouldn't know because you haven't actually read the thread beyond your tough guy Internet crusade.
I'm not willing to pay for a dirty moneygrab that goes in your face and right out lies to you about pretty much everything and then comes up with a bullshit PR move.
then what are you doing here, in a thread for people that have the game? You might as well post on youtube, I think that audience is more suited to what you are able to write.
No matter how much you want to kick scream and cry about it, the negative PR about this game (outright lying about features, adding the 4 hour respawn with 50 cent instant respawner, horrendous interview with Sergei, "100-400sq. km maps" turning out to be a single 10sq. km map) IS game discussion and SHOULD be here. Just because you don't like what someone is saying doesn't mean they need get out.
But I hardly know much about this game than anyone else does, I only know enough that I wouldn't trust these devs with a cent of my money and refuse to support this kind of business practice. It looks kind of fun though, which is kind of sad but meh. I don't think anyone here is honestly saying this game isn't fun or doesn't look fun. It's all the bullshit that makes it a pain in the ass to enjoy the actual gameplay that I think is the topic at hand here.
Correct me if I'm mistaken though. I don't think anyone here for a second "wanted" this game to fail or is actively seeking to show this game in a negative light for epic trolling! purposes. I think people are just genuinely upset about this entire fiasco. And instead of just insulting the people bringing up these points, why not just make a post clearing them up? If TB is just such a biased hater, go take his major points in his video that he brought up about gameplay and discuss it instead of just raving about how it wasn't a review or how biased he is or how we're all riding his cock or whatever.
I'm getting too invested in a game I don't even play though, and I think I've laid out everything I reasonably can without playing this game myself.
Is there a case of harder rip-off? Has it ever happened before that a developer just flat out lied about their game to make some money? I had a bad feeling when I saw you had to pay for the alpha to play it. I doesn't even matter if the game is good or bad, the shady developers are a reason why no one should play it.
On December 22 2012 00:30 Risen wrote: Meh, just leave the thread if you haven't played the game. A bunch of uninformed idiots Riding TB's dick. Those of us who have actually played the game have talked about gameplay and other things, but you wouldn't know because you haven't actually read the thread beyond your tough guy Internet crusade.
I'm not willing to pay for a dirty moneygrab that goes in your face and right out lies to you about pretty much everything and then comes up with a bullshit PR move.
then what are you doing here, in a thread for people that have the game? You might as well post on youtube, I think that audience is more suited to what you are able to write.
Threads are not made to praise a game like a blind prayer sir, if you don't like it please stop your QQ'ing.
So much crazy conspiracy shit in this thread, but honestly I wouldn't expect anything more from modern gamers. Some of them have been conditioned to rabidly defend even the most anti-consumer practices. When a game company lies to you, they defend it. When a game company rips off another game wholesale, they defend it. When a game company denies you refunds, they defend it. When a game company goes in-game, calls everyone on the server faggots and cheats to help their friends, they defend it.
TL is hardly innocent of this and as a result, the rabid defenders will engage in ad hominem against me rather than accept the truth that the company and the game are both incredibly shitty. This is fine, because their opinion doesn't make any difference to anyone. They can shout and scream all they wish but thankfully they have no platform and no influence. Good job too, otherwise the games industry would be in a worse state than it already is.
If you defend shitty business practices and lying developers you are an awful human-being. You are actively willing to go out of your way to fuck over fellow gamers solely because of some heady cocktail of buyers remorse, confirmation bias and being irredeemably stupid. If you do that, you deserve no pity and should be ostracized by the PC gaming scene at large.
On December 22 2012 04:05 TotalBiscuit wrote: So much crazy conspiracy shit in this thread, but honestly I wouldn't expect anything more from modern gamers. Some of them have been conditioned to rabidly defend even the most anti-consumer practices. When a game company lies to you, they defend it. When a game company rips off another game wholesale, they defend it. When a game company denies you refunds, they defend it. When a game company goes in-game, calls everyone on the server faggots and cheats to help their friends, they defend it.
TL is hardly innocent of this and as a result, the rabid defenders will engage in ad hominem against me rather than accept the truth that the company and the game are both incredibly shitty. This is fine, because their opinion doesn't make any difference to anyone. They can shout and scream all they wish but thankfully they have no platform and no influence. Good job too, otherwise the games industry would be in a worse state than it already is.
If you defend shitty business practices and lying developers you are an awful human-being. You are actively willing to go out of your way to fuck over fellow gamers solely because of some heady cocktail of buyers remorse, confirmation bias and being irredeemably stupid. If you do that, you deserve no pity and should be ostracized by the PC gaming scene at large.
It's interesting how much Ad-Hominem arguments are made on most forums if not all internet (TL - Steam community forum the day everything broke up and mmo-champion), the "ah TB bashed the game due to his lack of mechanics" is just plain stupid, the points you were making weren't even about the gameplay itself (or how boring/bland the genre is), the arguments presented were about facts, about shady facts that people got into the fallacy of claiming bs due some guy (in this case you) "lack of game knowledge".
Internet is the place where fallacies and argumentation falls appart. Derp wanted to quote you and you just uploaded a pic and messed up mah post! You corrupted biscuit!
PS: The pic where you are running from the backpack would've been better if there was a little cliff around and a nice river with "reflections"
On December 22 2012 04:10 Medrea wrote: Bro team pill reviewed the game.
On December 22 2012 04:05 TotalBiscuit wrote: So much crazy conspiracy shit in this thread, but honestly I wouldn't expect anything more from modern gamers. Some of them have been conditioned to rabidly defend even the most anti-consumer practices. When a game company lies to you, they defend it. When a game company rips off another game wholesale, they defend it. When a game company denies you refunds, they defend it. When a game company goes in-game, calls everyone on the server faggots and cheats to help their friends, they defend it.
TL is hardly innocent of this and as a result, the rabid defenders will engage in ad hominem against me rather than accept the truth that the company and the game are both incredibly shitty. This is fine, because their opinion doesn't make any difference to anyone. They can shout and scream all they wish but thankfully they have no platform and no influence. Good job too, otherwise the games industry would be in a worse state than it already is.
If you defend shitty business practices and lying developers you are an awful human-being. You are actively willing to go out of your way to fuck over fellow gamers solely because of some heady cocktail of buyers remorse, confirmation bias and being irredeemably stupid. If you do that, you deserve no pity and should be ostracized by the PC gaming scene at large.
It's interesting how much Ad-Hominem arguments are made on most forums if not all internet (TL - Steam community forum the day everything broke up and mmo-champion), the "ah TB bashed the game due to his lack of mechanics" is just plain stupid, the points you were making weren't even about the gameplay itself (or how boring/bland the genre is), the arguments presented were about facts, about shady facts that people got into the fallacy of claiming bs due some guy (in this case you) "lack of game knowledge".
Internet is the place where fallacies and argumentation falls appart. Derp wanted to quote you and you just uploaded a pic and messed up mah post! You corrupted biscuit!
The thing is, most people have understood since a long time that this game is a fraud, and therefore are not interested in the conversation around it. Then there is a small core of vocal people who are going to be very active, either criticizing and defending the game. For myself, I just ignore all of this, warZ being shitty is not a surprise after all.
On December 22 2012 04:05 TotalBiscuit wrote: So much crazy conspiracy shit in this thread, but honestly I wouldn't expect anything more from modern gamers. Some of them have been conditioned to rabidly defend even the most anti-consumer practices. When a game company lies to you, they defend it. When a game company rips off another game wholesale, they defend it. When a game company denies you refunds, they defend it. When a game company goes in-game, calls everyone on the server faggots and cheats to help their friends, they defend it.
TL is hardly innocent of this and as a result, the rabid defenders will engage in ad hominem against me rather than accept the truth that the company and the game are both incredibly shitty. This is fine, because their opinion doesn't make any difference to anyone. They can shout and scream all they wish but thankfully they have no platform and no influence. Good job too, otherwise the games industry would be in a worse state than it already is.
If you defend shitty business practices and lying developers you are an awful human-being. You are actively willing to go out of your way to fuck over fellow gamers solely because of some heady cocktail of buyers remorse, confirmation bias and being irredeemably stupid. If you do that, you deserve no pity and should be ostracized by the PC gaming scene at large.
It's interesting how much Ad-Hominem arguments are made on most forums if not all internet (TL - Steam community forum the day everything broke up and mmo-champion), the "ah TB bashed the game due to his lack of mechanics" is just plain stupid, the points you were making weren't even about the gameplay itself (or how boring/bland the genre is), the arguments presented were about facts, about shady facts that people got into the fallacy of claiming bs due some guy (in this case you) "lack of game knowledge".
Internet is the place where fallacies and argumentation falls appart. Derp wanted to quote you and you just uploaded a pic and messed up mah post! You corrupted biscuit!
The thing is, most people have understood since a long time that this game is a fraud, and therefore are not interested in the conversation around it. Then there is a small core of vocal people who are going to be very active, either criticizing and defending the game. For myself, I just ignore all of this, warZ being shitty is not a surprise after all.
Actually I never cared for the "survivor mmo" genre, the WarZ game brought a lot of my ex-guildies from other MMO's to getting into the "oh zombie" bandwagon, they started playing DayZ and then boom! WarZ came up, never said a thing, but after seeing what they got into I was just pissed, they got robbed (if you could say that)... but yeah, it will end up in a mindless crusade between:
A) Ardent defenders who will keep saying "well I still enjoy the game" (and there's no doubt about it, you can enjoy it but don't deny that's a scam and deal with it) or will instantly will go with Ad-Hominem falacies.
B) Trolls who just pop up and scream out loud for either side. (come on we all know there are a lot of on the internet).
C) Pissed people who watch from the outside and have opinions that express in different ways, some express themselves way more angry, some express themselves in discussions.
This may be the first game to actually show the reality of games of today and the lack of regulation around them, and up to a certain point the community interaction between themselves and towards game publishers. (I hope everything I wrote made sense, english is not my native language and some stuff may sound a bit weird or contradicting).
it's funny how much this thread is split. Most people have not played the game and parrot the criticism that tb/reddit has; whereas some people have bought the game, played it, and acknowledge that the game is far from what they expect. above all, however, the game is quite fun. There are literally 0 zombie elements and a complete absence of survival aspects, so the game slowly devolved into a slow scavenging death match of sorts, and it's actually really entertaining. I think I've sunk enough time and derived enough enjoyment through the crazy firefights I've had with friends to justify a 20 dollar investment into the game.
A couple complaints, from my experienced perspective: I remember when I first started the alpha, there were fixed weapon spawns and a bunch of other random bullshit that should have been fixed from the beginning. The community is also fucking asinine with the whole 'it's a(n) alpha/beta' mantra. The complete lack of an anti cheat system is also absolutely ridiculous.
A couple things I want to clear up because people have been spewing misinformed garbage: this game was definitely not in production two years before alpha release. That was the war Inc engine this game utilizes. yes, we realize the models in war z are exactly as the ones in the original game. 'wait wot???? The models in natural selection mimic the ones from HL???' the devs utilized this loophole to say it was in development far longer than Dayz. it's a marketing truth based on a lie. also, we get it. The devs are shadyass dudes who have poor records in the past, but this is a thread for the game, and not for Hammerpoint Interactive. The amount of bitching over the devs rather than actual discussion of the game itself is retarded. However daft and utterly incompetent the devs may be at PR, and they seem to care about the community. Complaints are generally addressed, and changes have been reverted if there's too much negativity. They also plan events with notable streamers which is cute, but honestly I'd rather them take the time to address the cheating situation.
Some words of general advice: If you play this game by yourself, get some friends or find someone in the game with vent/ts/rc/Skype. otherwise, the learning curve, which is actually pretty steep, is going to frustrate you. The skillcap is pretty low compared to how hard it is to pick the game up. Expect to kill everyone on sight. If you get used to this, the game's much more enjoyable. even a person who seems to have nothing may pull out a holstered pistol and shoot you in the back. At least, keep this mentality until the incompetent devs finally manage to come up with a way to punish bandits. There are no 'pve' elements in the game. skill trees aren't implemented yet. If you can't handle pvp, then l4d is probably a better 'zombie' game for you.
And, typical as of late, the moment you dare to criticise or disagree with someone on the internet you are branded a "hater". Whatever happened to discourse.
On December 22 2012 04:52 3Form wrote: And, typical as of late, the moment you dare to criticise or disagree with someone on the internet you are branded a "hater". Whatever happened to discourse.
So much crazy conspiracy shit in this thread, but honestly I wouldn't expect anything more from modern gamers. Some of them have been conditioned to rabidly defend even the most anti-consumer practices. When a game company lies to you, they defend it. When a game company rips off another game wholesale, they defend it. When a game company denies you refunds, they defend it. When a game company goes in-game, calls everyone on the server faggots and cheats to help their friends, they defend it.
TL is hardly innocent of this and as a result, the rabid defenders will engage in ad hominem against me rather than accept the truth that the company and the game are both incredibly shitty. This is fine, because their opinion doesn't make any difference to anyone. They can shout and scream all they wish but thankfully they have no platform and no influence. Good job too, otherwise the games industry would be in a worse state than it already is.
If you defend shitty business practices and lying developers you are an awful human-being. You are actively willing to go out of your way to fuck over fellow gamers solely because of some heady cocktail of buyers remorse, confirmation bias and being irredeemably stupid. If you do that, you deserve no pity and should be ostracized by the PC gaming scene at large.
These are a minority of people, honestly. Valve has heard our concerns and promptly acted on them. By the time The War Z is even remotely capable of recovering (if that is even possible), Rocket will have released DayZ and this whole fiasco will be a less-than-pleasant reminder in the history books to any new developers who wish to engage in underhanded, anti-gamer practices.
On December 22 2012 06:06 TritaN wrote: These are a minority of people, honestly. Valve has heard our concerns and promptly acted on them. By the time The War Z is even remotely capable of recovering (if that is even possible), Rocket will have released DayZ and this whole fiasco will be a less-than-pleasant reminder in the history books to any companies who wish to engage in underhanded, anti-gamer practices.
It will not be tolerated.
Quite. The vocal minority is as ineffectual as ever. This whole thing should be viewed as a major victory quite frankly. Not only were Valve pressed into taking some responsibility for the products on their store but a dishonest developer was denied their revenue stream. Good news across the board.
I don't understand how a game that's based on surviving ends up having a cash shop that sells things like weapons or food and the people playing it doesn't seem to mind.
On December 22 2012 06:29 Klowney wrote: I don't understand how a game that's based on surviving ends up having a cash shop that sells things like weapons or food and the people playing it doesn't seem to mind.
On December 22 2012 06:06 TritaN wrote: These are a minority of people, honestly. Valve has heard our concerns and promptly acted on them. By the time The War Z is even remotely capable of recovering (if that is even possible), Rocket will have released DayZ and this whole fiasco will be a less-than-pleasant reminder in the history books to any companies who wish to engage in underhanded, anti-gamer practices.
It will not be tolerated.
Quite. The vocal minority is as ineffectual as ever. This whole thing should be viewed as a major victory quite frankly. Not only were Valve pressed into taking some responsibility for the products on their store but a dishonest developer was denied their revenue stream. Good news across the board.
You keep touting your victory bud. Meanwhile there's more than 100,000 people playing every day. If you actually cared about anything except views you would have gone at it like andyrau did. Like I said earlier, you're an Enquirer of the gaming world.
So much crazy conspiracy shit in this thread, but honestly I wouldn't expect anything more from modern gamers. Some of them have been conditioned to rabidly defend even the most anti-consumer practices. When a game company lies to you, they defend it. When a game company rips off another game wholesale, they defend it. When a game company denies you refunds, they defend it. When a game company goes in-game, calls everyone on the server faggots and cheats to help their friends, they defend it.
TL is hardly innocent of this and as a result, the rabid defenders will engage in ad hominem against me rather than accept the truth that the company and the game are both incredibly shitty. This is fine, because their opinion doesn't make any difference to anyone. They can shout and scream all they wish but thankfully they have no platform and no influence. Good job too, otherwise the games industry would be in a worse state than it already is.
If you defend shitty business practices and lying developers you are an awful human-being. You are actively willing to go out of your way to fuck over fellow gamers solely because of some heady cocktail of buyers remorse, confirmation bias and being irredeemably stupid. If you do that, you deserve no pity and should be ostracized by the PC gaming scene at large.
These are a minority of people, honestly. Valve has heard our concerns and promptly acted on them. By the time The War Z is even remotely capable of recovering (if that is even possible), Rocket will have released DayZ and this whole fiasco will be a less-than-pleasant reminder in the history books to any new developers who wish to engage in underhanded, anti-gamer practices.
It will not be tolerated.
Another out of touch soul who thinks valve is something other than a business. And look how seriously you take yourself rofl. I don't think there's a group of people more self-righteous than gamers.
On December 22 2012 06:29 Klowney wrote: I don't understand how a game that's based on surviving ends up having a cash shop that sells things like weapons or food and the people playing it doesn't seem to mind.
They're having "fun"
People with opinions other than your own? Shocking.
On December 22 2012 06:29 Klowney wrote: I don't understand how a game that's based on surviving ends up having a cash shop that sells things like weapons or food and the people playing it doesn't seem to mind.
They're having "fun"
People with opinions other than your own? Shocking.
I bought the game, I played the game. It's worse than Day Z in every aspect than maybe the loot system. It's an obvious cash grab. I'm sure some people could have fun with a broken glass advertised as an jigsaw puzzle, but it doesn't mean it should be recommended to others.
On December 22 2012 06:39 Risen wrote: You keep touting your victory bud. Meanwhile there's more than 100,000 people playing every day. If you actually cared about anything except views you would have gone at it like andyrau did. Like I said earlier, you're an Enquirer of the gaming world.
Delusional fanboi spotted. "More than 100,000 people playing every day". Where did you pull that number from, your arse?
Peak players today, 4,000. That's about an 80% drop from Steam launch day btw. I guess the other 96,000 people were magically tracked by something else. Or maybe the developers posted it! They sure are trustworthy.
I'm secure in the knowledge that you have no influence and thank fuck for that. Fanbois are cancer, every day they go out of their way to lie to fellow gamers. They are scum and so are you.
Keep shouting, nobody hears you and none of your shitty little insults will change that.
On December 22 2012 06:39 Risen wrote: You keep touting your victory bud. Meanwhile there's more than 100,000 people playing every day. If you actually cared about anything except views you would have gone at it like andyrau did. Like I said earlier, you're an Enquirer of the gaming world.
Delusional fanboi spotted. "More than 100,000 people playing every day". Where did you pull that number from, your arse?
Peak players today, 4,000. That's about an 80% drop from Steam launch day btw. I guess the other 96,000 people were magically tracked by something else. Or maybe the developers posted it! They sure are trustworthy.
I'm secure in the knowledge that you have no influence and thank fuck for that. Fanbois are cancer, every day they go out of their way to lie to fellow gamers. They are scum and so are you.
Keep shouting, nobody hears you and none of your shitty little insults will change that.
I will admit that I got my numbers from the developer claims of something like 150,000 players daily. You can find the interview a couple pages back. Seems a little extreme, so I dropped that number significantly. Anyways, why would it show up on steam for people like me who don't use steam unless it's required?
I'm not even a fanboi as you claim. If I were to make a suggestion to someone interested in the game it would be to wait for standalone and compare the two. Or if they want a zombie surv game thats more arcade-like than dayz to get warz. Or if they wanted a game now and didnt care I'd say warz at 14 if you can't get dayz at less than 25.
See how that works? I used to think you were really cool. I thought you were a fair caster and enjoyable (I still do). That led me to your youtube and that's where I'm coming from when I talk about you right now. Your youtube is filled with trash like this warz video.
Thankfully there aren't more people like me? I can say there are few (see? I can be self-righteous, too. I dont know why Fruit thinks I'm anti-gamer). I like rational discourse from knowledgable sources. That's all I've fought for in this thread, which you'd know if you cared at all to actually read and do something other than respond to people who dislike you with nonsense.
On December 22 2012 07:06 Fruscainte wrote: EDIT: Eh I'll pass on stooping down to petty insults too. No need in getting banned or starting a shitstorm over a video game.
What you said wasn't even close to bannable. Not even warnable.
On December 22 2012 06:39 Risen wrote: You keep touting your victory bud. Meanwhile there's more than 100,000 people playing every day. If you actually cared about anything except views you would have gone at it like andyrau did. Like I said earlier, you're an Enquirer of the gaming world.
Delusional fanboi spotted. "More than 100,000 people playing every day". Where did you pull that number from, your arse?
Peak players today, 4,000. That's about an 80% drop from Steam launch day btw. I guess the other 96,000 people were magically tracked by something else. Or maybe the developers posted it! They sure are trustworthy.
I'm secure in the knowledge that you have no influence and thank fuck for that. Fanbois are cancer, every day they go out of their way to lie to fellow gamers. They are scum and so are you.
Keep shouting, nobody hears you and none of your shitty little insults will change that.
I will admit that I got my numbers from the developer claims of something like 150,000 players daily. You can find the interview a couple pages back. Seems a little extreme, so I dropped that number significantly. Anyways, why would it show up on steam for people like me who don't use steam unless it's required?
If you don't think that Steam users make up the vast majority of players of any indie game, then you vastly underestimate steam. There's probably more than 4000 people playing WarZ. But that's most likely in the 6.000-10.000 range and nowhere near 100.000. That latter number was probably the number of games sold or something.
I will admit that I got my numbers from the developer claims of something like 150,000 players daily. You can find the interview a couple pages back. Seems a little extreme, so I dropped that number significantly. Anyways, why would it show up on steam for people like me who don't use steam unless it's required?
Ahh yes, War Z developer interviews. Every one of which has been filled with lies that they've been called out on, sometimes within the very interview itself. Forgive me if I do not trust a company that has repeatedly lied.
I'm not even a fanboi as you claim. If I were to make a suggestion to someone interested in the game it would be to wait for standalone and compare the two. Or if they want a zombie surv game thats more arcade-like than dayz to get warz. Or if they wanted a game now and didnt care I'd say warz at 14 if you can't get dayz at less than 25.
See how that works? I used to think you were really cool. I thought you were a fair caster and enjoyable (I still do). That led me to your youtube and that's where I'm coming from when I talk about you right now. Your youtube is filled with trash like this warz video.
Delusional and in denial, attributes of a War Z fanboi. May I remind you that just a few minutes ago you made the accusation that I only do what I do for the views. Now you claim my channel is "filled with trash" like Bore Z. So once again you lie, because had you gone to my channel you'd know neither of these are true. Heavy coverage of indie games and gaming news? Yeah CLEARLY I am in it for the views. Like Starcraft right? That's where all the big views on Youtube are! Oh wait, nobody gives a shit about Starcraft on Youtube. Birds of a feather flock together, liars tend to excuse other liars. It is the order of things.
Thankfully there aren't more people like me? I can say there are few (see? I can be self-righteous, too. I dont know why Fruit thinks I'm anti-gamer). I like rational discourse from knowledgable sources. That's all I've fought for in this thread, which you'd know if you cared at all to actually read and do something other than respond to people who dislike you with nonsense.
"I like rational discourse from knowledgable sources"
Which you began by engaging in ad hominem littered with falsehoods and deliberately distorted the message. Bitch please, attempted character assassination does not lead to rational discourse. One liar is just like the other liars. Dishonesty merely breeds more dishonesty. These are exactly the same things other War Z fanbois said months ago when trying to suppress Rhinocrunch's videos and unfortunately for them now all they succeeded in doing was making my video go viral. Nobody ever said fanbois were smart and it would appear, neither are you.
On December 22 2012 07:06 Fruscainte wrote: EDIT: Eh I'll pass on stooping down to petty insults too. No need in getting banned or starting a shitstorm over a video game.
What you said wasn't even close to bannable. Not even warnable.
I realize this, but I'd rather not get started down a track I would regret in 3-4 posts back and forth later.
A friend of mine wanted to buy this gem of a game about 1 month ago. Told him to wait based on a quick look into their forums. I love it when a plan comes together!
Thanks TB, Gamespy and all the others complaining and giving this issue exposure though. False advertising is not to be taken lightly.
On December 22 2012 06:39 Risen wrote: You keep touting your victory bud. Meanwhile there's more than 100,000 people playing every day. If you actually cared about anything except views you would have gone at it like andyrau did. Like I said earlier, you're an Enquirer of the gaming world.
Delusional fanboi spotted. "More than 100,000 people playing every day". Where did you pull that number from, your arse?
Peak players today, 4,000. That's about an 80% drop from Steam launch day btw. I guess the other 96,000 people were magically tracked by something else. Or maybe the developers posted it! They sure are trustworthy.
I'm secure in the knowledge that you have no influence and thank fuck for that. Fanbois are cancer, every day they go out of their way to lie to fellow gamers. They are scum and so are you.
Keep shouting, nobody hears you and none of your shitty little insults will change that.
I will admit that I got my numbers from the developer claims of something like 150,000 players daily. You can find the interview a couple pages back. Seems a little extreme, so I dropped that number significantly. Anyways, why would it show up on steam for people like me who don't use steam unless it's required?
If you don't think that Steam users make up the vast majority of players of any indie game, then you vastly underestimate steam. There's probably more than 4000 people playing WarZ. But that's most likely in the 6.000-10.000 range and nowhere near 100.000. That latter number was probably the number of games sold or something.
I should note that the number is for daily players, not concurrent players. If that was misunderstood I should have made it clearer.
I will admit that I got my numbers from the developer claims of something like 150,000 players daily. You can find the interview a couple pages back. Seems a little extreme, so I dropped that number significantly. Anyways, why would it show up on steam for people like me who don't use steam unless it's required?
Ahh yes, War Z developer interviews. Every one of which has been filled with lies that they've been called out on, sometimes within the very interview itself. Forgive me if I do not trust a company that has repeatedly lied.
I'm not even a fanboi as you claim. If I were to make a suggestion to someone interested in the game it would be to wait for standalone and compare the two. Or if they want a zombie surv game thats more arcade-like than dayz to get warz. Or if they wanted a game now and didnt care I'd say warz at 14 if you can't get dayz at less than 25.
See how that works? I used to think you were really cool. I thought you were a fair caster and enjoyable (I still do). That led me to your youtube and that's where I'm coming from when I talk about you right now. Your youtube is filled with trash like this warz video.
Delusional and in denial, attributes of a War Z fanboi. May I remind you that just a few minutes ago you made the accusation that I only do what I do for the views. Now you claim my channel is "filled with trash" like Bore Z. So once again you lie, because had you gone to my channel you'd know neither of these are true. Heavy coverage of indie games and gaming news? Yeah CLEARLY I am in it for the views. Like Starcraft right? That's where all the big views on Youtube are! Oh wait, nobody gives a shit about Starcraft on Youtube. Birds of a feather flock together, liars tend to excuse other liars. It is the order of things.
Thankfully there aren't more people like me? I can say there are few (see? I can be self-righteous, too. I dont know why Fruit thinks I'm anti-gamer). I like rational discourse from knowledgable sources. That's all I've fought for in this thread, which you'd know if you cared at all to actually read and do something other than respond to people who dislike you with nonsense.
"I like rational discourse from knowledgable sources"
Which you began by engaging in ad hominem littered with falsehoods and deliberately distorted the message. Bitch please, attempted character assassination does not lead to rational discourse. One liar is just like the other liars. Dishonesty merely breeds more dishonesty. These are exactly the same things other War Z fanbois said months ago when trying to suppress Rhinocrunch's videos and unfortunately for them now all they succeeded in doing was making my video go viral. Nobody ever said fanbois were smart and it would appear, neither are you.
If you took the time to actually read the thread (you clearly haven't) you would see that I've been in here discussing the game for some time now only to have to deal with the trash that you spawned. I tried to keep the thread focused on the game and not the developer. Your video unleashed a massive influx of ignorance that had for the most part already been responded to had anyone read the thread (but I haven't expected that on TL for a long time)
Hey, you put time into the community, awesome. That's to be commended since that's a good thing. However, your videos suck, in my opinion. It's an opinion. I'm not trying to offer you constructive criticism and you very likely wouldn't listen to it anyways based on what I've seen from you on this forum. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't particularly care. I didn't engage in ad hominem, I said your videos were Enquirer drivel level. An opinion that doesn't reflect on you as a person. I'm sorry you took it that way.
On December 22 2012 07:21 Obstikal wrote: Can we just let this game/thread die on its own ?
I'd be the happiest person on the planet if this thread was commented in by people who have played only, or people who asked if they should play the game.
TB, I am a big fan of what you do, and enjoy most of your videos. However, there are times when you argue with people on these forums, that you might just be going a little too far. For example, implying Risen is a cancer on gaming based on one post can make you seem a bit pretentious. While I can in no way control what you do, and you will most likely completely disregard this post, I still think that maybe you should be a bit less aggressive when you do have a debate with people on these forums.
On December 22 2012 04:52 3Form wrote: And, typical as of late, the moment you dare to criticise or disagree with someone on the internet you are branded a "hater". Whatever happened to discourse.
Naturally.
I was actually referring to you and your cohort but whatever, it seems reasonably applicable to both "sides". I expect you hear this all the time but for what it's worth I think your language and tone in this thread is utterly unbecoming.
This whole fiasco is quite frankly embarrassing for all involved, I don't understand how people get so worked up about games. Then again I'm not an angsty little teenager anymore. The game cost £10. I've paid similar amounts for indie games that were unfinished or lacking, where I knew what I was getting myself into. I have yet to buy this game, I'm not a fanboy. And there's nothing wrong with a game with terrible graphics, heralding from PS1 yourself, you of all people should know this.
It seems like a large portion of PC gamers jumped on a bandwagon, throwing tantrums just like the children playing COD on their Xboxes. Just like a mob.
End of the day the developers will be the ones who suffer, not the managers who messed around. You clearly don't like it when people rubbish your channel/videos/work, so spare a thought for the developers. Don't just take a big shit on them - make sure you put the seat down, wipe it and then brush the skid-marks off the bowl after flushing if you catch my metaphor.
I will admit that I got my numbers from the developer claims of something like 150,000 players daily. You can find the interview a couple pages back. Seems a little extreme, so I dropped that number significantly. Anyways, why would it show up on steam for people like me who don't use steam unless it's required?
Ahh yes, War Z developer interviews. Every one of which has been filled with lies that they've been called out on, sometimes within the very interview itself. Forgive me if I do not trust a company that has repeatedly lied.
I'm not even a fanboi as you claim. If I were to make a suggestion to someone interested in the game it would be to wait for standalone and compare the two. Or if they want a zombie surv game thats more arcade-like than dayz to get warz. Or if they wanted a game now and didnt care I'd say warz at 14 if you can't get dayz at less than 25.
See how that works? I used to think you were really cool. I thought you were a fair caster and enjoyable (I still do). That led me to your youtube and that's where I'm coming from when I talk about you right now. Your youtube is filled with trash like this warz video.
Delusional and in denial, attributes of a War Z fanboi. May I remind you that just a few minutes ago you made the accusation that I only do what I do for the views. Now you claim my channel is "filled with trash" like Bore Z. So once again you lie, because had you gone to my channel you'd know neither of these are true. Heavy coverage of indie games and gaming news? Yeah CLEARLY I am in it for the views. Like Starcraft right? That's where all the big views on Youtube are! Oh wait, nobody gives a shit about Starcraft on Youtube. Birds of a feather flock together, liars tend to excuse other liars. It is the order of things.
Thankfully there aren't more people like me? I can say there are few (see? I can be self-righteous, too. I dont know why Fruit thinks I'm anti-gamer). I like rational discourse from knowledgable sources. That's all I've fought for in this thread, which you'd know if you cared at all to actually read and do something other than respond to people who dislike you with nonsense.
"I like rational discourse from knowledgable sources"
Which you began by engaging in ad hominem littered with falsehoods and deliberately distorted the message. Bitch please, attempted character assassination does not lead to rational discourse. One liar is just like the other liars. Dishonesty merely breeds more dishonesty. These are exactly the same things other War Z fanbois said months ago when trying to suppress Rhinocrunch's videos and unfortunately for them now all they succeeded in doing was making my video go viral. Nobody ever said fanbois were smart and it would appear, neither are you.
You are meant to be a professional caster and a figure head for the Starcraft and gaming community and are arguing on a fan site with fans like this, grow up.
Let's say that the average server holds 50 players. Are there 2,000 servers currently online?
What if every server is at a constant maximum capacity of 100 players? Are there 1,000 servers online?
Only way it makes sense is if you're measuring total players who ever log on to the game every day. Which is a rather strange measurement, as it says nothing as to how much they actually play.
On December 22 2012 08:14 acker wrote: Where did this "100,000" number come from?
Let's say that the average server holds 50 players. Are there 2,000 servers currently online?
What if every server is at a constant maximum capacity of 100 players? Are there 1,000 servers online?
Only way it makes sense is if you're measuring total players who ever log on to the game every day. Which is a rather silly measurement, as it says nothing as to how much they actually play.
On December 22 2012 08:14 acker wrote: Where did this "100,000" number come from?
Let's say that the average server holds 50 players. Are there 2,000 servers currently online?
What if every server is at a constant maximum capacity of 100 players? Are there 1,000 servers online?
Only way it makes sense is if you're measuring total players who ever log on to the game every day. Which is a rather silly measurement, as it says nothing as to how much they actually play.
Read as: daily players, not concurrent.
So the 100,000 could be the same person logging on and off all day long? Or 100,000 different players have signed on that day (no matter how long)?
On December 22 2012 07:48 3Form wrote: I was actually referring to you and your cohort but whatever, it seems reasonably applicable to both "sides". I expect you hear this all the time but for what it's worth I think your language and tone in this thread is utterly unbecoming.
This whole fiasco is quite frankly embarrassing for all involved, I don't understand how people get so worked up about games. Then again I'm not an angsty little teenager anymore. The game cost £10. I've paid similar amounts for indie games that were unfinished or lacking, where I knew what I was getting myself into. I have yet to buy this game, I'm not a fanboy. And there's nothing wrong with a game with terrible graphics, heralding from PS1 yourself, you of all people should know this.
It seems like a large portion of PC gamers jumped on a bandwagon, throwing tantrums just like the children playing COD on their Xboxes. Just like a mob.
End of the day the developers will be the ones who suffer, not the managers who messed around. You clearly don't like it when people rubbish your channel/videos/work, so spare a thought for the developers. Don't just take a big shit on them - make sure you put the seat down, wipe it and then brush the skid-marks off the bowl after flushing if you catch my metaphor.
Why did I get worked up 'cause of "game only". Well excuse me for paying money for a product which the developers lied about, banned people on forums saying "fuck you noob", (yes there is a picture of someone having been banned from forums and being called out and refused for refund 'cause it was his mistake buying the game) amongst other things. People raising issue about the devs lying about their game is jumping bandwagon and throwing tantrum, I don't follow your logic please elaborate.
Hopefully, and yes I really hope the developers do suffer from this as they should, you see, some of the things they've done is illegal. I can't figure for the life of me why people are defending the actions of this developer, if it was Activision or EA people would be at the doors of their HQs ready to lynch the CEOs.
As for the game itself. I played it with few of my friends before refunding it and honestly, even if I look through the buggy alpha/beta, whatever state the game currently is in, I can't see very promising future to be honest. The very reason I refunded the game is because I don't see this game becoming an excellent choice for its genre.
On December 22 2012 04:52 3Form wrote: And, typical as of late, the moment you dare to criticise or disagree with someone on the internet you are branded a "hater". Whatever happened to discourse.
Naturally.
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This whole fiasco is quite frankly embarrassing for all involved, I don't understand how people get so worked up about games. Then again I'm not an angsty little teenager anymore. The game cost £10. I've paid similar amounts for indie games that were unfinished or lacking, where I knew what I was getting myself into. I have yet to buy this game, I'm not a fanboy. And there's nothing wrong with a game with terrible graphics, heralding from PS1 yourself, you of all people should know this.
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The bolded part is what a lot of people are upset about. Like or not, Steam is a huge platform and seems like it will continue to be a staple of PC gaming for quite some time. The game went live on Steam with a store page that contained false/unclear information that unfortunately led a lot of people to buy this game. When I purchase a product on Steam, the store page is one of the first sources I use for information on a game because I've purchased so many games from Steam, read their store pages, and often times that is enough to entice me to purchase the game. I'm sure many gamers are in the same boat, and this is where much of the ire has come from. Had the store page matched the actual state of the game when it was released on Steam, the only thing people could get mad at would be getting suckered by another zombie game.
Had the product not gotten put up on Steam, I assume it would still be chugging along the same development cycle it had been, with presumably a lot less users since it was on top of the store page for a bit. Whether that showcases the influence Steam has on PC gamers, or something else, I don't know.
Also, for me personally, I became skeptical when I noticed the genre was listed in part as Massively Multiplayer. Just looking at the rest of the games on Steam that are listed by the same category, its quite easy to see this does not fall into this genre when any of the planned features that could allow it fall into the genre don't appear to be in the game. But I think a reason like this would certainly play second fiddle to the above. As a side note, I think the genre of Massively Multiplayer needs to somehow be redefined to something more specific since people like to take things so literally, but that's another discussion entirely.
On December 22 2012 08:14 acker wrote: Where did this "100,000" number come from?
Let's say that the average server holds 50 players. Are there 2,000 servers currently online?
What if every server is at a constant maximum capacity of 100 players? Are there 1,000 servers online?
Only way it makes sense is if you're measuring total players who ever log on to the game every day. Which is a rather silly measurement, as it says nothing as to how much they actually play.
Read as: daily players, not concurrent.
So the 100,000 could be the same person logging on and off all day long? Or 100,000 different players have signed on that day (no matter how long)?
Presumably 100,000 accounts, though the number given by warz was significantly higher around 150k. That number doesn't particularly mean anything to me, though, just as long as there's people to kill and team up with.
I will admit that I got my numbers from the developer claims of something like 150,000 players daily. You can find the interview a couple pages back. Seems a little extreme, so I dropped that number significantly. Anyways, why would it show up on steam for people like me who don't use steam unless it's required?
Ahh yes, War Z developer interviews. Every one of which has been filled with lies that they've been called out on, sometimes within the very interview itself. Forgive me if I do not trust a company that has repeatedly lied.
I'm not even a fanboi as you claim. If I were to make a suggestion to someone interested in the game it would be to wait for standalone and compare the two. Or if they want a zombie surv game thats more arcade-like than dayz to get warz. Or if they wanted a game now and didnt care I'd say warz at 14 if you can't get dayz at less than 25.
See how that works? I used to think you were really cool. I thought you were a fair caster and enjoyable (I still do). That led me to your youtube and that's where I'm coming from when I talk about you right now. Your youtube is filled with trash like this warz video.
Delusional and in denial, attributes of a War Z fanboi. May I remind you that just a few minutes ago you made the accusation that I only do what I do for the views. Now you claim my channel is "filled with trash" like Bore Z. So once again you lie, because had you gone to my channel you'd know neither of these are true. Heavy coverage of indie games and gaming news? Yeah CLEARLY I am in it for the views. Like Starcraft right? That's where all the big views on Youtube are! Oh wait, nobody gives a shit about Starcraft on Youtube. Birds of a feather flock together, liars tend to excuse other liars. It is the order of things.
Thankfully there aren't more people like me? I can say there are few (see? I can be self-righteous, too. I dont know why Fruit thinks I'm anti-gamer). I like rational discourse from knowledgable sources. That's all I've fought for in this thread, which you'd know if you cared at all to actually read and do something other than respond to people who dislike you with nonsense.
"I like rational discourse from knowledgable sources"
Which you began by engaging in ad hominem littered with falsehoods and deliberately distorted the message. Bitch please, attempted character assassination does not lead to rational discourse. One liar is just like the other liars. Dishonesty merely breeds more dishonesty. These are exactly the same things other War Z fanbois said months ago when trying to suppress Rhinocrunch's videos and unfortunately for them now all they succeeded in doing was making my video go viral. Nobody ever said fanbois were smart and it would appear, neither are you.
You are meant to be a professional caster and a figure head for the Starcraft and gaming community and are arguing on a fan site with fans like this, grow up.
So basically because he's famous he isn't allowed to call out someone for being incorrect to the point of idiocy? I don't see the logic.
On December 22 2012 08:14 acker wrote: Where did this "100,000" number come from?
Let's say that the average server holds 50 players. Are there 2,000 servers currently online?
What if every server is at a constant maximum capacity of 100 players? Are there 1,000 servers online?
Only way it makes sense is if you're measuring total players who ever log on to the game every day. Which is a rather silly measurement, as it says nothing as to how much they actually play.
Read as: daily players, not concurrent.
So the 100,000 could be the same person logging on and off all day long? Or 100,000 different players have signed on that day (no matter how long)?
Presumably 100,000 accounts, though the number given by warz was significantly higher around 150k. That number doesn't particularly mean anything to me, though, just as long as there's people to kill and team up with.
Oh yeah so you just don't want to play with me anymore then? I see how it is.
On December 22 2012 08:14 acker wrote: Where did this "100,000" number come from?
Let's say that the average server holds 50 players. Are there 2,000 servers currently online?
What if every server is at a constant maximum capacity of 100 players? Are there 1,000 servers online?
Only way it makes sense is if you're measuring total players who ever log on to the game every day. Which is a rather silly measurement, as it says nothing as to how much they actually play.
Read as: daily players, not concurrent.
So the 100,000 could be the same person logging on and off all day long? Or 100,000 different players have signed on that day (no matter how long)?
Presumably 100,000 accounts, though the number given by warz was significantly higher around 150k. That number doesn't particularly mean anything to me, though, just as long as there's people to kill and team up with.
Oh yeah so you just don't want to play with me anymore then? I see how it is.
Text me! On vacation now anywho And I meant proximity chat team up with haha. I'm always going to be a sucker who walks up and asks people if they want to group up. I'm about one partnership for every four "holy shit someone talked in proximity panic and kill him!" XD
On December 22 2012 08:53 acker wrote: On a less heated note, I loved the floating backpack picture TB posted. Was my favorite part of his WarZ footage.
sometimes this happens in Day Z too ;D always weird and surprising, but TB's reaction was especially funny ;D
Just keeps getting better. Really glad I decided to hold off on buying this game.
Because that makes a difference in the gameplay. I have had so much fun playing this game regardless of what people say.
At this point it could be the most awesome game in the world, and I would still feel bad if I would have given the devs any money by buying their games. This has long stopped being a gameplay issue.
There is no way 100k ppl are playing everyday... lol are you kidding? there are points in the day where a whole region is almost empty (including the 100 pop servers). Well anywho hopefully the developers just continue working and prove everyone wrong.... or release a few more patches and be done with an unfinished game ( reaaaaaaally waiting for cars already)
On December 22 2012 22:13 zergtossy wrote: There is no way 100k ppl are playing everyday... lol are you kidding? there are points in the day where a whole region is almost empty (including the 100 pop servers). Well anywho hopefully the developers just continue working and prove everyone wrong.... or release a few more patches and be done with an unfinished game ( reaaaaaaally waiting for cars already)
it's going to turn out to be like everythign else about this game. fake.
I payed less for this game than a movie ticket and I have had more than 2 hours of enjoyment out of it. The game got boring pretty fast and I moved on. Every time I look in this thread its full of people complaining about the game just move on and play something else if you don't like it. Why come and crap up the thread?
On December 22 2012 23:50 DarkEnergy wrote: For a Day-Z player, and one who abstained from buying this and raging on the game this is very entertaining topic to read.
It's even stranger if you're someone who bought and played this game. Trying to fathom why people defend it is mind boggling. Even when I was playing and the zombies didn't move at all, people were still telling me that they had already fixed the bug.
People might say that I'm biased, and I guess that I am. But that's only because I played he game.
this game isnt playable at all right now.. its overall really boring.. alot of cities are empty, and i mean cities big as new york city,and theres not one single item,.player,zombie heck not even doors or any house you can enter.
every other server with at least 30+ ppl will suck,since ppl play in pair of 5 and camp cities and kill anyone who gets near cuz they buy weapons, also alot of cheaters that fly around and 1 shot you and steal your stuff as soon as you leave the safe zone..
the map is WAY to small for 40+ ppl even if its probably not unlocked yet,its like 1/4 of dayz map. (cherno is bigger than warz almost)
pretty lousy game,free game?`yes.. buy to play it ? NEVER.
is it worth the money because I've seen people say that it's a hundred times better than dayz and i've seen people say that it's a hundred times worse and I really don't want to waste my money since i'm cheap.
On December 23 2012 00:34 AxUU wrote: is it worth the money because I've seen people say that it's a hundred times better than dayz and i've seen people say that it's a hundred times worse and I really don't want to waste my money since i'm cheap.
if you have friends to play with it can be fun but if you play alone I'd advise to stay away for now.
On December 22 2012 23:24 KingJames wrote: I payed less for this game than a movie ticket and I have had more than 2 hours of enjoyment out of it. The game got boring pretty fast and I moved on. Every time I look in this thread its full of people complaining about the game just move on and play something else if you don't like it. Why come and crap up the thread?
why are you comparing a game to a movie instead of a game to a game. for example, i paid 0$ for dota2 and i got 1.5k hours of entertainment out of it. why cant warz meet numbers like that?
and what is wrong with people discussing a game in a dicussion thread about the game. It's not titled "warz circlejerk", it's for discussion and that's what people who are posting/reading this thread are here for. just because you aren't/stopped playing a game doesn't mean you dont have the right to discuss it rationally.
On December 23 2012 00:34 AxUU wrote: is it worth the money because I've seen people say that it's a hundred times better than dayz and i've seen people say that it's a hundred times worse and I really don't want to waste my money since i'm cheap.
don't even bother. there's a lot of confirmation bias in this thread. go back to like page 25 and you'll see people who bought it who are also defending the right for the developers to scam and lie to people.
honestly the only reason why you should ever buy it at this point is to use it for hacks. the world will be better the faster hackers outright kill the game.
On December 23 2012 00:34 AxUU wrote: is it worth the money because I've seen people say that it's a hundred times better than dayz and i've seen people say that it's a hundred times worse and I really don't want to waste my money since i'm cheap.
No. Stay far away from this game. It's awful and the developers are terrible.
On December 23 2012 00:34 AxUU wrote: is it worth the money because I've seen people say that it's a hundred times better than dayz and i've seen people say that it's a hundred times worse and I really don't want to waste my money since i'm cheap.
Watch streams and decide, this game has a lot of negativity around it but there is a lot of people who really enjoy the game.
On December 23 2012 00:34 AxUU wrote: is it worth the money because I've seen people say that it's a hundred times better than dayz and i've seen people say that it's a hundred times worse and I really don't want to waste my money since i'm cheap.
Watch streams and decide, this game has a lot of negativity around it but there is a lot of people who really enjoy the game.
I still think the shit the developers are pulling should not be endorsed; for the sake of the future of game development.
On December 23 2012 00:34 AxUU wrote: is it worth the money because I've seen people say that it's a hundred times better than dayz and i've seen people say that it's a hundred times worse and I really don't want to waste my money since i'm cheap.
Watch streams and decide, this game has a lot of negativity around it but there is a lot of people who really enjoy the game.
i'm sure i could also find people who enjoy being homeless and shaving with rusty razors too.
On December 23 2012 13:27 Al Bundy wrote: ↑ Yeah real classy. Copy-paste bullshit then leave the thread.
It gets frustrating seeing a bunch of people who have never played the game nor given it a fair chance bashing the game and saying things that aren't true. It gets annoying but I guess based on what you said I should just stay here and continue to put my self in situations that are frustrating for me?
No matter how many times I repeat something against a point, some other person repeats the same thing(example sergey made big riggs).
You know what's frustrating? You assuming everyone here hasn't tried or seen someone try the game. You assuming that everyone is just jumping on the bandwagon. Guess what, most of the people here have played or watched the game being played. Guess what else? The Devs are nothing but trash, the company itself is trash. They're nothing but liars and scammers. The game is complete trash. You don't sell something that's in Alpha. You don't sell a "beta access" only and then force people to rebuy the game when you release it. You don't release a game with a list of features that don't exist, and will never exist. I could keep going but you should get the point right now. You're trying to lead a holy crusade supporting this game for god knows what reason, when in reality everyone knows how bad this is. This game should never see the light of day again, nor the money of another person.
On December 23 2012 00:34 AxUU wrote: is it worth the money because I've seen people say that it's a hundred times better than dayz and i've seen people say that it's a hundred times worse and I really don't want to waste my money since i'm cheap.
Watch streams and decide, this game has a lot of negativity around it but there is a lot of people who really enjoy the game.
i'm sure i could also find people who enjoy being homeless and shaving with rusty razors too.
You are saying extremely silly things now and not making any sense. Have you tried the game? What do you not like about the GAME.
Someone said this on reddit:
So, because you have 20+ years of gaming experience, you think you know what you're talking about when it comes to game development? You think that's some sort of credibility? The way the hatred is being directed toward War Z IS just the bandwagon or, in other words, a hivemind. It's the popular trend to bash on this game right now when you haven't even played it. Sure, everyone can have their opinion, but the farce that you and other flamers are putting on this game has potentially ruined the image of this game and confused a lot of potential players like the OP. You can feel like you're honest, and that's your opinion. But you have no facts to back it up. This is not a cash grab or a potential scam or anything close to a scam. They would not be issuing refunds if this was a scam. I highly recommend you try this game out for yourself and not bother listening to the bullshit people like Switch296 tell you. The popular trend right now is to bash this game just because the rest of the internet is. Yes, Hammerpoint has made some strange decisions and yes their PR with sergey is questionable at times. Mistakes have been made also, sure. But, it doesn't mean that the game is a scam or cash grab. This whole "lieing" bullshit has been taken entirely out of hand and blown up to such an extreme nit picky proportion, I'm ashamed that these people call themselves gamers. The vast majority of them I can bet have not played the game. It was already established that the steam release was a mistake and premature. Get the fuck over it internet. Play the fucking game or don't. If you don't like it, oh well and that's fine. But don't shit all over everyone else who actually does enjoy the game. It's one thing to have an unbiased opinion on a game. Yes, there are problems with it. But to take it as far as it has is petty and a piss poor excuse to show off a massively none existent epeen. They've been making vast improvements to the game since the original alpha client and they listen to the community when changes are made. This is a very small team of independent developers and they've done a great job so far. It's as much a learning process for them as it is for us. So OP, YOU play the game and YOU determine your opinion. I've gotten well over my $15 worth and it's quite an enjoyable game. Not only have I been able to play the game but also play a major role in the direction the game should go through my feedback with the developer along with everyone else testing. Remember that there is a difference between opinions and facts. The debacle behind the WarZ is mostly FEELINGS and OPINIONS portrayed in a way that could pass as believable facts. For example facts: -There is a hacking problem in this game. Right now, it's not uncommon to get shot in the face from an unimaginable amount of distance -The WarZ is still much in alpha with features still being added into the game over time -There is little incentive to cooperative PVE play at the moment as they have not included the PVE elements yet. This is called unbiased critiquing and these are points which I do not like about the game. From a game development standpoint, these need to be worked on. possible opinions: -The game is a scam/cash grab (witch hunters, flamers, and bandwagon) -The hammerpoint devs are copying DayZ (development began before DayZ and for the love of god can we not have more games of the same genre???? i.e. silent hill and resident evil or doom and quake) -The game is pay to win (learn what pay to win is before shouting it) These are opinions formed by cliques, witch hunters, and flamers on the internet. These tactics are used to destroy the reputation of a game and/or its developer.There are also legitimate opinions that can be formed as long as they're within reason (that's kind of how game development.. well develops). TLDR: Try the game out for yourself and don't buy into the bullshit flamers like switch296 and the rest of the internet feeds you.
Edit: I'm leaving this here and closing this thread for awhile because the amount of people here who are uninformed and just trying to bash the game is unreal.
i honestly feel like you just made this (copypasta) post out of a sense of indignation. ok. we get you like the game. but all of the "other people" who don't like the game aren't just a bunch of bandwagon misinformed morons. frankly it has nothing to do with the game. it has to do with the shit attitude and the shit product the developers have pushed out and then lied about repeatedly. it was bad enough when games come out half finished or rushed. the game-after-game-fast-cash trend we've seen is a shitty pattern of behavior that some video game companies have come to adopt, and warZ is the culmination of everything that is fucking wrong with this model.
-the features they claimed were in the game were not in the game. -they heavily censored any sort of criticism on their forums. -they took away functionality (spawn time patch) and put in micro-transactions immediately after a jump in sales.. a money grab. -they had the nerve to change their TOS to say no refunds (illegal) after shit hit the fan because of their misrepresented product. -they had the nerve to fucking copy so much from dayz and then lie about it being in production before dayz simply because they ripped the engine off an earlier game. -and then sergey had the nerve to say garbage like "'Over 100 sq km' falls in '100 to 400' right?" and tell us we were to blame for misreading the game info. like what kind of sleazy fuck does he have to be to think that shit is okay? as it is the colorado map isn't even 100 km. so he lied about that shit too.
go ahead and defend him by saying that it was all a big PR mistake or whatever. but honestly if their PR is that fucking bad that they've resorted to lying and near fraudulent behavior, they deserve every disparaging insult thrown at them for being so damn incompetent.
but let's be real. sergey knew what he was doing. the guy is a shady asshole who just wants money and doesn't give a fuck about you. THAT is what we have a problem with.
On December 23 2012 13:27 Al Bundy wrote: ↑ Yeah real classy. Copy-paste bullshit then leave the thread.
It gets frustrating seeing a bunch of people who have never played the game nor given it a fair chance bashing the game and saying things that aren't true. It gets annoying but I guess based on what you said I should just stay here and continue to put my self in situations that are frustrating for me?
No matter how many times I repeat something against a point, some other person repeats the same thing(example sergey made big riggs).
You know what's frustrating? You assuming everyone here hasn't tried or seen someone try the game. You assuming that everyone is just jumping on the bandwagon. Guess what, most of the people here have played or watched the game being played. Guess what else? The Devs are nothing but trash, the company itself is trash. They're nothing but liars and scammers. The game is complete trash. You don't sell something that's in Alpha. You don't sell a "beta access" only and then force people to rebuy the game when you release it. You don't release a game with a list of features that don't exist, and will never exist. I could keep going but you should get the point right now. You're trying to lead a holy crusade supporting this game for god knows what reason, when in reality everyone knows how bad this is. This game should never see the light of day again, nor the money of another person.
People say they disagree with what Sergey does and thats why they don't like the game nor support the company okay thats fine. Its post like yours that make it frustrating, they never sold solely beta access. Buying the game at any point in time gives you the complete game ALWAYS you never have to repurchase it...This is what I am talking about, people with no idea what they are talking about bashing the game.
As for the people not purchasing the game because of Sergey and what the dev team does, okay so be it that is your decision and I understand that. I play the game because I have FUN. I think the game has a lot of potential and the devs have been updating it a lot, asking the community for feedback and implementing changes they request. If you don't believe me look at their forums and look at the polls they have done. They put in 100 pop servers instead of 70 because the community requested it, they removed 4 hour respawn+pay to respawn because the community requested it. I like that the Dev's do Q&A's often and update the game regularly while asking what we want. These are the reasons I play the game and I think it is great, I enjoyed DayZ in its buggy state and I love this game when it is in a state no where near as bad as DayZ was.
The majority of complaints I see are from people disagreeing with Sergey and the devs which is rightfully so considering some of the massive mistakes they have made. That doesn't make the game terrible though, many of the complaints ive seen people make regarding gameplay(including people in this thread and TB) are things that could just as easily be applied to DayZ but instead DayZ is the holy grail of zombie games. There are people like Infernal dream up here which thinks you purchase alpha/beta access than you will have to repurchase the game which is not true. If you purchase at any point you will ALWAYS have the game. If you dislike the game and don't support it because you disagree with what the devs have done, than so be it I respect that. They aren't as bad as they are always made out to be(like what I said above) but they deserve the flak they are getting for doing incredibly stupid things outside of the game itself.
On December 23 2012 13:27 Al Bundy wrote: ↑ Yeah real classy. Copy-paste bullshit then leave the thread.
It gets frustrating seeing a bunch of people who have never played the game nor given it a fair chance bashing the game and saying things that aren't true. It gets annoying but I guess based on what you said I should just stay here and continue to put my self in situations that are frustrating for me?
No matter how many times I repeat something against a point, some other person repeats the same thing(example sergey made big riggs).
You know what's frustrating? You assuming everyone here hasn't tried or seen someone try the game. You assuming that everyone is just jumping on the bandwagon. Guess what, most of the people here have played or watched the game being played. Guess what else? The Devs are nothing but trash, the company itself is trash. They're nothing but liars and scammers. The game is complete trash.
You don't sell something that's in Alpha. You don't sell a "beta access" only and then force people to rebuy the game when you release it. You don't release a game with a list of features that don't exist, and will never exist+ Show Spoiler +
. I could keep going but you should get the point right now. You're trying to lead a holy crusade supporting this game for god knows what reason, when in reality everyone knows how bad this is. This game should never see the light of day again, nor the money of another person.
So Notch with Minecraft is a total douche as well, right? He sold Minecraft during Alpha. Also you got it wrong, you do sell stuff during Alpha & Beta. You just DONT BUY something which is in Alpha/Beta, if you're not willing to take a financial risk.
I agree though that you dont release something with a list of features which are not in the game. But even big companies like Blizzard have this exact same problem (or did you guys have flying war machines in Wintergrasp during WotLK as promised on the box?). But War-Z is overdoing it on that front by a large margin. And this is their only mistake, they released it on Steam, with a list of not implemented features.
Apart from that: Dont buy an Alpha/Beta and expect a good game. It's a risk you are taking. And it's a stupid one. Just wait for the full release, inform yourself about the game and then decide if it's worth your money. If not, just pass. That's how we did it in the 90s....
Also, do you have any sources to back up the claim that you have to rebuy the game? It's the first time I hear something like that (and it certainly isnt the case for everyone)
On December 23 2012 00:34 AxUU wrote: is it worth the money because I've seen people say that it's a hundred times better than dayz and i've seen people say that it's a hundred times worse and I really don't want to waste my money since i'm cheap.
Watch streams and decide, this game has a lot of negativity around it but there is a lot of people who really enjoy the game.
i'm sure i could also find people who enjoy being homeless and shaving with rusty razors too.
You are saying extremely silly things now and not making any sense. Have you tried the game? What do you not like about the GAME.
Someone said this on reddit:
So, because you have 20+ years of gaming experience, you think you know what you're talking about when it comes to game development? You think that's some sort of credibility? The way the hatred is being directed toward War Z IS just the bandwagon or, in other words, a hivemind. It's the popular trend to bash on this game right now when you haven't even played it. Sure, everyone can have their opinion, but the farce that you and other flamers are putting on this game has potentially ruined the image of this game and confused a lot of potential players like the OP. You can feel like you're honest, and that's your opinion. But you have no facts to back it up. This is not a cash grab or a potential scam or anything close to a scam. They would not be issuing refunds if this was a scam. I highly recommend you try this game out for yourself and not bother listening to the bullshit people like Switch296 tell you. The popular trend right now is to bash this game just because the rest of the internet is. Yes, Hammerpoint has made some strange decisions and yes their PR with sergey is questionable at times. Mistakes have been made also, sure. But, it doesn't mean that the game is a scam or cash grab. This whole "lieing" bullshit has been taken entirely out of hand and blown up to such an extreme nit picky proportion, I'm ashamed that these people call themselves gamers. The vast majority of them I can bet have not played the game. It was already established that the steam release was a mistake and premature. Get the fuck over it internet. Play the fucking game or don't. If you don't like it, oh well and that's fine. But don't shit all over everyone else who actually does enjoy the game. It's one thing to have an unbiased opinion on a game. Yes, there are problems with it. But to take it as far as it has is petty and a piss poor excuse to show off a massively none existent epeen. They've been making vast improvements to the game since the original alpha client and they listen to the community when changes are made. This is a very small team of independent developers and they've done a great job so far. It's as much a learning process for them as it is for us. So OP, YOU play the game and YOU determine your opinion. I've gotten well over my $15 worth and it's quite an enjoyable game. Not only have I been able to play the game but also play a major role in the direction the game should go through my feedback with the developer along with everyone else testing. Remember that there is a difference between opinions and facts. The debacle behind the WarZ is mostly FEELINGS and OPINIONS portrayed in a way that could pass as believable facts. For example facts: -There is a hacking problem in this game. Right now, it's not uncommon to get shot in the face from an unimaginable amount of distance -The WarZ is still much in alpha with features still being added into the game over time -There is little incentive to cooperative PVE play at the moment as they have not included the PVE elements yet. This is called unbiased critiquing and these are points which I do not like about the game. From a game development standpoint, these need to be worked on. possible opinions: -The game is a scam/cash grab (witch hunters, flamers, and bandwagon) -The hammerpoint devs are copying DayZ (development began before DayZ and for the love of god can we not have more games of the same genre???? i.e. silent hill and resident evil or doom and quake) -The game is pay to win (learn what pay to win is before shouting it) These are opinions formed by cliques, witch hunters, and flamers on the internet. These tactics are used to destroy the reputation of a game and/or its developer.There are also legitimate opinions that can be formed as long as they're within reason (that's kind of how game development.. well develops). TLDR: Try the game out for yourself and don't buy into the bullshit flamers like switch296 and the rest of the internet feeds you.
Edit: I'm leaving this here and closing this thread for awhile because the amount of people here who are uninformed and just trying to bash the game is unreal.
Random issue with this copy pasta. Development did not begin before DayZ. That has already been confirmed. It's well known that the game was created to compete with DayZ and get in on the zombie craze.
On December 23 2012 00:34 AxUU wrote: is it worth the money because I've seen people say that it's a hundred times better than dayz and i've seen people say that it's a hundred times worse and I really don't want to waste my money since i'm cheap.
Watch streams and decide, this game has a lot of negativity around it but there is a lot of people who really enjoy the game.
i'm sure i could also find people who enjoy being homeless and shaving with rusty razors too.
You are saying extremely silly things now and not making any sense. Have you tried the game? What do you not like about the GAME.
Someone said this on reddit:
So, because you have 20+ years of gaming experience, you think you know what you're talking about when it comes to game development? You think that's some sort of credibility? The way the hatred is being directed toward War Z IS just the bandwagon or, in other words, a hivemind. It's the popular trend to bash on this game right now when you haven't even played it. Sure, everyone can have their opinion, but the farce that you and other flamers are putting on this game has potentially ruined the image of this game and confused a lot of potential players like the OP. You can feel like you're honest, and that's your opinion. But you have no facts to back it up. This is not a cash grab or a potential scam or anything close to a scam. They would not be issuing refunds if this was a scam. I highly recommend you try this game out for yourself and not bother listening to the bullshit people like Switch296 tell you. The popular trend right now is to bash this game just because the rest of the internet is. Yes, Hammerpoint has made some strange decisions and yes their PR with sergey is questionable at times. Mistakes have been made also, sure. But, it doesn't mean that the game is a scam or cash grab. This whole "lieing" bullshit has been taken entirely out of hand and blown up to such an extreme nit picky proportion, I'm ashamed that these people call themselves gamers. The vast majority of them I can bet have not played the game. It was already established that the steam release was a mistake and premature. Get the fuck over it internet. Play the fucking game or don't. If you don't like it, oh well and that's fine. But don't shit all over everyone else who actually does enjoy the game. It's one thing to have an unbiased opinion on a game. Yes, there are problems with it. But to take it as far as it has is petty and a piss poor excuse to show off a massively none existent epeen. They've been making vast improvements to the game since the original alpha client and they listen to the community when changes are made. This is a very small team of independent developers and they've done a great job so far. It's as much a learning process for them as it is for us. So OP, YOU play the game and YOU determine your opinion. I've gotten well over my $15 worth and it's quite an enjoyable game. Not only have I been able to play the game but also play a major role in the direction the game should go through my feedback with the developer along with everyone else testing. Remember that there is a difference between opinions and facts. The debacle behind the WarZ is mostly FEELINGS and OPINIONS portrayed in a way that could pass as believable facts. For example facts: -There is a hacking problem in this game. Right now, it's not uncommon to get shot in the face from an unimaginable amount of distance -The WarZ is still much in alpha with features still being added into the game over time -There is little incentive to cooperative PVE play at the moment as they have not included the PVE elements yet. This is called unbiased critiquing and these are points which I do not like about the game. From a game development standpoint, these need to be worked on. possible opinions: -The game is a scam/cash grab (witch hunters, flamers, and bandwagon) -The hammerpoint devs are copying DayZ (development began before DayZ and for the love of god can we not have more games of the same genre???? i.e. silent hill and resident evil or doom and quake) -The game is pay to win (learn what pay to win is before shouting it) These are opinions formed by cliques, witch hunters, and flamers on the internet. These tactics are used to destroy the reputation of a game and/or its developer.There are also legitimate opinions that can be formed as long as they're within reason (that's kind of how game development.. well develops). TLDR: Try the game out for yourself and don't buy into the bullshit flamers like switch296 and the rest of the internet feeds you.
Edit: I'm leaving this here and closing this thread for awhile because the amount of people here who are uninformed and just trying to bash the game is unreal.
Good job with the copy+paste, if you want to actually debate a point with someone at least make your own discussion. The funny thing is even with that wall of text you're still missing a big majority of the reasons people find this game appalling.
On December 24 2012 01:59 Medrea wrote: Yes its pretty much granted that Notch handled Minecraft very badly.
We all knew War Z had a limited lifespan after it was revealed they will be shutting down the servers in about a half year.
I wouldn't tout that as fact. The guy who said it retracted his statement. Although, the way he did it and the way he sounded leads some to believe that he was possibly threatened into doing so. Regardless, that's a potentially damaging thing to throw around as if it's true.
On December 24 2012 05:37 Medrea wrote: Yeah debunked ok.
Where there is smoke.
Its pretty expected that this game will turn into an APB debacle.
I'm not sure where you drive the comparison there, APB and Realtime worlds who developed it we're good, the game was fun and had a healthy community and the developers did a great job, but due to finances they were forced to close down. I expect that the "development team" will close down, same as APB, but they are far different from eachother.
On December 23 2012 00:34 AxUU wrote: is it worth the money because I've seen people say that it's a hundred times better than dayz and i've seen people say that it's a hundred times worse and I really don't want to waste my money since i'm cheap.
Watch streams and decide, this game has a lot of negativity around it but there is a lot of people who really enjoy the game.
i'm sure i could also find people who enjoy being homeless and shaving with rusty razors too.
You are saying extremely silly things now and not making any sense. Have you tried the game? What do you not like about the GAME.
Someone said this on reddit:
So, because you have 20+ years of gaming experience, you think you know what you're talking about when it comes to game development? You think that's some sort of credibility? The way the hatred is being directed toward War Z IS just the bandwagon or, in other words, a hivemind. It's the popular trend to bash on this game right now when you haven't even played it. Sure, everyone can have their opinion, but the farce that you and other flamers are putting on this game has potentially ruined the image of this game and confused a lot of potential players like the OP. You can feel like you're honest, and that's your opinion. But you have no facts to back it up. This is not a cash grab or a potential scam or anything close to a scam. They would not be issuing refunds if this was a scam. I highly recommend you try this game out for yourself and not bother listening to the bullshit people like Switch296 tell you. The popular trend right now is to bash this game just because the rest of the internet is. Yes, Hammerpoint has made some strange decisions and yes their PR with sergey is questionable at times. Mistakes have been made also, sure. But, it doesn't mean that the game is a scam or cash grab. This whole "lieing" bullshit has been taken entirely out of hand and blown up to such an extreme nit picky proportion, I'm ashamed that these people call themselves gamers. The vast majority of them I can bet have not played the game. It was already established that the steam release was a mistake and premature. Get the fuck over it internet. Play the fucking game or don't. If you don't like it, oh well and that's fine. But don't shit all over everyone else who actually does enjoy the game. It's one thing to have an unbiased opinion on a game. Yes, there are problems with it. But to take it as far as it has is petty and a piss poor excuse to show off a massively none existent epeen. They've been making vast improvements to the game since the original alpha client and they listen to the community when changes are made. This is a very small team of independent developers and they've done a great job so far. It's as much a learning process for them as it is for us. So OP, YOU play the game and YOU determine your opinion. I've gotten well over my $15 worth and it's quite an enjoyable game. Not only have I been able to play the game but also play a major role in the direction the game should go through my feedback with the developer along with everyone else testing. Remember that there is a difference between opinions and facts. The debacle behind the WarZ is mostly FEELINGS and OPINIONS portrayed in a way that could pass as believable facts. For example facts: -There is a hacking problem in this game. Right now, it's not uncommon to get shot in the face from an unimaginable amount of distance -The WarZ is still much in alpha with features still being added into the game over time -There is little incentive to cooperative PVE play at the moment as they have not included the PVE elements yet. This is called unbiased critiquing and these are points which I do not like about the game. From a game development standpoint, these need to be worked on. possible opinions: -The game is a scam/cash grab (witch hunters, flamers, and bandwagon) -The hammerpoint devs are copying DayZ (development began before DayZ and for the love of god can we not have more games of the same genre???? i.e. silent hill and resident evil or doom and quake) -The game is pay to win (learn what pay to win is before shouting it) These are opinions formed by cliques, witch hunters, and flamers on the internet. These tactics are used to destroy the reputation of a game and/or its developer.There are also legitimate opinions that can be formed as long as they're within reason (that's kind of how game development.. well develops). TLDR: Try the game out for yourself and don't buy into the bullshit flamers like switch296 and the rest of the internet feeds you.
Edit: I'm leaving this here and closing this thread for awhile because the amount of people here who are uninformed and just trying to bash the game is unreal.
Good job with the copy+paste, if you want to actually debate a point with someone at least make your own discussion. The funny thing is even with that wall of text you're still missing a big majority of the reasons people find this game appalling.
It's a pretty poorly written wall of text too. "Lieing" is not a word. It bothers the shit out of me when people do that.
On December 24 2012 06:35 Kiante wrote: aparantly they're going to have to rename the game now due to a trademark conflict with "world war z" pending some legal action.
pretty lulzy
That wouldnt be of any threat at all to the game honestly but the game is already on its knees and the developer is bleeding so it might be the one thing that delivers the final bullet. Even AAA titles dont recover from this.
On December 24 2012 05:37 Medrea wrote: Yeah debunked ok.
Where there is smoke.
Its pretty expected that this game will turn into an APB debacle.
I'm not sure where you drive the comparison there, APB and Realtime worlds who developed it we're good, the game was fun and had a healthy community and the developers did a great job, but due to finances they were forced to close down. I expect that the "development team" will close down, same as APB, but they are far different from eachother.
On December 24 2012 01:59 Medrea wrote: Yes its pretty much granted that Notch handled Minecraft very badly.
We all knew War Z had a limited lifespan after it was revealed they will be shutting down the servers in about a half year.
It was never revealed that they will be shutting down servers in about a half year. It was proven to be a blatant lie and the person who lied about it already admitted to it. Sergey also laid out a roadmap publicly and reassured everyone that they had no plans for shutting down in 6 months(which was the false claims).
On December 24 2012 01:59 Medrea wrote: Yes its pretty much granted that Notch handled Minecraft very badly.
We all knew War Z had a limited lifespan after it was revealed they will be shutting down the servers in about a half year.
It was never revealed that they will be shutting down servers in about a half year. It was proven to be a blatant lie and the person who lied about it already admitted to it. Sergey also laid out a roadmap publicly and reassured everyone that they had no plans for shutting down in 6 months(which was the false claims).
I trust the false claims the other guy made over what Sergey says.
On December 24 2012 06:35 Kiante wrote: aparantly they're going to have to rename the game now due to a trademark conflict with "world war z" pending some legal action.
pretty lulzy
World War Z was a pretty good book. I liked it at least.
On December 24 2012 01:59 Medrea wrote: Yes its pretty much granted that Notch handled Minecraft very badly.
We all knew War Z had a limited lifespan after it was revealed they will be shutting down the servers in about a half year.
It was never revealed that they will be shutting down servers in about a half year. It was proven to be a blatant lie and the person who lied about it already admitted to it. Sergey also laid out a roadmap publicly and reassured everyone that they had no plans for shutting down in 6 months(which was the false claims).
I trust the false claims the other guy made over what Sergey says.
yeah i second this. i'm still expecting a 6 month shutdown.
On December 24 2012 01:59 Medrea wrote: Yes its pretty much granted that Notch handled Minecraft very badly.
We all knew War Z had a limited lifespan after it was revealed they will be shutting down the servers in about a half year.
It was never revealed that they will be shutting down servers in about a half year. It was proven to be a blatant lie and the person who lied about it already admitted to it. Sergey also laid out a roadmap publicly and reassured everyone that they had no plans for shutting down in 6 months(which was the false claims).
I trust the false claims the other guy made over what Sergey says.
Saying it out loud like that means these guys have a super obligation to not shut down in a half year or they will be so screwed, and most definitely wont be able to work in the industry anymore.
On December 25 2012 04:21 Medrea wrote: Well lets put it this way.
Saying it out loud like that means these guys have a super obligation to not shut down in a half year or they will be so screwed, and most definitely wont be able to work in the industry anymore.
I'm pretty sure no one in the industry would take these guys anyways if their current studio shuts down. The negative publicity would be ridiculous, not to mention how unethical they are and how low quality the game is.
@ that guy who keeps thinking people are saying the devs of WarZ are also the devs of Big Rigs, do you seriously not understand mockery? They're comparing the two developers to say how bad WarZ is right now. Because the WarZ is so low quality, the only developers that could be responsible are surely the same as the ones who made the worst game in the industry, Big Rigs. There's no way another developer would release something so bad.
On December 25 2012 04:39 Blisse wrote: @ that guy who keeps thinking people are saying the devs of WarZ are also the devs of Big Rigs, do you seriously not understand mockery? They're comparing the two developers to say how bad WarZ is right now. Because the WarZ is so low quality, the only developers that could be responsible are surely the same as the ones who made the worst game in the industry, Big Rigs. There's no way another developer would release something so bad.
Check the ending credits of Big Rigs, find Sergey Titov under production and programming. People are saying it because it's true.
On December 25 2012 04:39 Blisse wrote: @ that guy who keeps thinking people are saying the devs of WarZ are also the devs of Big Rigs, do you seriously not understand mockery? They're comparing the two developers to say how bad WarZ is right now. Because the WarZ is so low quality, the only developers that could be responsible are surely the same as the ones who made the worst game in the industry, Big Rigs. There's no way another developer would release something so bad.
Check the ending credits of Big Rigs, find Sergey Titov under production and programming. People are saying it because it's true.
Check the wiki saying that Sergey was incorrectly titled that and he only licensed the engine.
On December 25 2012 04:39 Blisse wrote: @ that guy who keeps thinking people are saying the devs of WarZ are also the devs of Big Rigs, do you seriously not understand mockery? They're comparing the two developers to say how bad WarZ is right now. Because the WarZ is so low quality, the only developers that could be responsible are surely the same as the ones who made the worst game in the industry, Big Rigs. There's no way another developer would release something so bad.
Check the ending credits of Big Rigs, find Sergey Titov under production and programming. People are saying it because it's true.
Check the wiki saying that Sergey was incorrectly titled that and he only licensed the engine.
Which coincidentally is the worst part of that game.
On December 25 2012 04:39 Blisse wrote: @ that guy who keeps thinking people are saying the devs of WarZ are also the devs of Big Rigs, do you seriously not understand mockery? They're comparing the two developers to say how bad WarZ is right now. Because the WarZ is so low quality, the only developers that could be responsible are surely the same as the ones who made the worst game in the industry, Big Rigs. There's no way another developer would release something so bad.
Check the ending credits of Big Rigs, find Sergey Titov under production and programming. People are saying it because it's true.
Check the wiki saying that Sergey was incorrectly titled that and he only licensed the engine.
On December 25 2012 04:39 Blisse wrote: @ that guy who keeps thinking people are saying the devs of WarZ are also the devs of Big Rigs, do you seriously not understand mockery? They're comparing the two developers to say how bad WarZ is right now. Because the WarZ is so low quality, the only developers that could be responsible are surely the same as the ones who made the worst game in the industry, Big Rigs. There's no way another developer would release something so bad.
Check the ending credits of Big Rigs, find Sergey Titov under production and programming. People are saying it because it's true.
Check the wiki saying that Sergey was incorrectly titled that and he only licensed the engine.
1. the engine is entirely what made big rigs shit.
2. it's a wiki. sergey probably edited it himself. the fucker lies about damn near everything.
Shame Paramount Pictures couldnt catch this sooner. Prolly coulda prevented a lot of people being tricked into thinking that this game could even hold a light to the Day Z mod.
Also, I wonder what they're gonna change their name into.
On December 25 2012 11:21 SpikeStarcraft wrote: In Dayz i guess z could also mean zero like day zero after the zombie apocalypse
Hmm that makes sense, I like it very much.
"The DayZ name has been chosen because I'm a huge fan of Walt Disney cartoon, it is an obvious reference to Daisy, the wife of Donald Duck. - The producer"
On December 25 2012 11:21 SpikeStarcraft wrote: In Dayz i guess z could also mean zero like day zero after the zombie apocalypse
Hmm that makes sense, I like it very much.
"The DayZ name has been chosen because I'm a huge fan of Walt Disney cartoon, it is an obvious reference to Daisy, the wife of Donald Duck. - The producer"
On December 25 2012 11:21 SpikeStarcraft wrote: In Dayz i guess z could also mean zero like day zero after the zombie apocalypse
Hmm that makes sense, I like it very much.
"The DayZ name has been chosen because I'm a huge fan of Walt Disney cartoon, it is an obvious reference to Daisy, the wife of Donald Duck. - The producer"
I don't care if they game is amazing fun, I will NEVER support a developer who have such an awful disregard for it's customers and the truth. A developer that is clearly only interested in making money as fast as possible.
- The game is a hastily made mod of War Inc, their previous game, to cash in on the popularity of Day Z. Yet they claim the game has been in development for a long time. - They rush the game onto Steam to make money, when the game is still in Alpha. Calling it a "foundation" release. - The original steam page, was one of the worst cases of flagrant false advertising I have ever seen. Staged screen shots, endless lies such as "gain XP for dozens of skills" (there are no skills) and "100-400 square kilometre maps" (there is ONE map that is roughly 15 square kilometres). - They copy artwork and other assets such as LoL Terms of Service. Clearly demonstrating their lack of scruples. - Not to mention all the other rumours such as banning people at random to scare people from hacking (which is apparently rife) and never giving refunds to disgruntled customers and instead insulting them.
Whatever happened to the customer is king? Yet we have people here and in other places jumping to their defence merely because they have had some fun with the game. These people should hang their heads in shame.
On December 26 2012 20:17 betaman wrote: I don't care if they game is amazing fun, I will NEVER support a developer who have such an awful disregard for it's customers and the truth. A developer that is clearly only interested in making money as fast as possible.
- The game is a hastily made mod of War Inc, their previous game, to cash in on the popularity of Day Z. Yet they claim the game has been in development for a long time. - They rush the game onto Steam to make money, when the game is still in Alpha. Calling it a "foundation" release. - The original steam page, was one of the worst cases of flagrant false advertising I have ever seen. Staged screen shots, endless lies such as "gain XP for dozens of skills" (there are no skills) and "100-400 square kilometre maps" (there is ONE map that is roughly 15 square kilometres). - They copy artwork and other assets such as LoL Terms of Service. Clearly demonstrating their lack of scruples. - Not to mention all the other rumours such as banning people at random to scare people from hacking (which is apparently rife) and never giving refunds to disgruntled customers and instead insulting them.
Whatever happened to the customer is king? Yet we have people here and in other places jumping to their defence merely because they have had some fun with the game. These people should hang their heads in shame.
I enjoy the game. The problem is their PR and marketing department. They fucked up big time, but other wise the game is pretty decent.If you've never played this game and experienced it first hand, then there's no point.
On December 26 2012 20:17 betaman wrote: I don't care if they game is amazing fun, I will NEVER support a developer who have such an awful disregard for it's customers and the truth. A developer that is clearly only interested in making money as fast as possible.
- The game is a hastily made mod of War Inc, their previous game, to cash in on the popularity of Day Z. Yet they claim the game has been in development for a long time. - They rush the game onto Steam to make money, when the game is still in Alpha. Calling it a "foundation" release. - The original steam page, was one of the worst cases of flagrant false advertising I have ever seen. Staged screen shots, endless lies such as "gain XP for dozens of skills" (there are no skills) and "100-400 square kilometre maps" (there is ONE map that is roughly 15 square kilometres). - They copy artwork and other assets such as LoL Terms of Service. Clearly demonstrating their lack of scruples. - Not to mention all the other rumours such as banning people at random to scare people from hacking (which is apparently rife) and never giving refunds to disgruntled customers and instead insulting them.
Whatever happened to the customer is king? Yet we have people here and in other places jumping to their defence merely because they have had some fun with the game. These people should hang their heads in shame.
I enjoy the game. The problem is their PR and marketing department. They fucked up big time, but other wise the game is pretty decent.If you've never played this game and experienced it first hand, then there's no point.
I wish Sergey wouldn't talk with such an arrogant tone when being confronted about doing something wrong. Or maybe it is just the way I am perceiving it but still.
It has now been more than two months since we launched public access to The War Z. We’ve definitely had our ups and downs, and I thought that this Holiday break was the right time for me to try to step back a little and think about our journey since it started. This may be a little long, but I would appreciate if you could stay with me for a few minutes as I try to go over the highlights of the game as well as some of the hurdles and controversies, how we have addressed that and what our plans are.
First of all a very big and sincere “Thank You!” to all of you. We are really proud of the community we have formed with you guys. Every day we have hundreds of thousands of players on our servers, and this is a life-changing event for the team and me. We are blessed to have you as members of the community and we are well aware that without you the game would be nothing. Along with that thanks, though, I need to admit that we failed to effectively communicate some of our plans and actions to both our existing players and to our new prospective players. This failure to communicate resulted in some very negative feedback from some members of our community, but while it might be easy to label them as “haters” or some other dismissive term, in all honesty this is my fault. I became arrogant and blinded by the early success and quick growth of The War Z, our increasing number of players, numbers we were getting from surveys, etc., and I chose not to notice the concerns and questions raised by these members of the game community as well as others. This failure is entirely on my shoulders and if anything I owe thanks to that vocal minority and admit that I should have paid attention sooner. I chose instead to concentrate on the bigger picture – my dream of turning The War Z from being a game developed by a small indie team into a large online venture, instead of addressing small things first and staying focused on the game issues. At the end my arrogance led us to the moment, when all those small things finally caught up and created a “perfect storm” that affected all of our community members. For that I’m truly sorry and apologize to all of our community as well as the larger PC gaming community that is not yet playing The War Z.
I do not take this situation lightly, and last week events were especially humbling for me. I’ve experienced a range of emotions, most of which centered on regret for not having addressed some of the issues differently than we did, but we can’t change the past. The only thing we can do is to be sure that we won’t repeat the same mistakes in the future. I have realized that as the leader of this ship, I missed all early warnings that were saying, “Your community is not as happy as you think they are, you need to alter course.” I was too focused on how great we are and how a small independent team got their first game to over 700,000 users in a two-month period. Though that is something to be very proud of, allowing that to overshadow the existing community and their satisfaction was poor judgment.
I want to give you some insight into what our plans are for the future, but before we get to that, I’d like to clear the air with you on several important topics.
Community management and moderation – the problem
Even since the early Alpha launch, this game has always cultivated a large and loyal player base that is very active in the game. Again, thank you for this. Unfortunately, we weren’t prepared for this large success and the way we managed the community was not the way it should’ve been. We relied too much on forum moderators, whose primary role was to punish those who break rules, not to engage the community and guide conversations into productive discussions about problems. There wasn’t enough presence of the development team on forums, there wasn’t enough updates on development of UPCOMING features. We failed to communicate our position and messaging on the outside platforms such as Facebook, twitter and various online websites, and when we did this we chose to rely more on arrogance rather than being humble and trying to understand why people were saying negative things. We chose to tune out negative reactions to the game, not paying enough attention to them – and this, again, is my fault. We chose to rely too much on numbers – percentage of refund requests, number and dynamic of our daily and monthly active users, etc. Well, in hindsight – those things probably work well for more casual games, but the hardcore PC gaming community is much different and can be very vocal about what they feel. Even when the percentage of players with negative comments is small, as the community grows, even a small percentage can add up to be a very significant absolute number. And it’s not just a number – those are real people with real issues they are having with the game. OP Productions (publisher for War Z) and me personally have failed to address those issues effectively.
Community management and moderation – the solution!
We’re changing our community management procedures and rules right now. We’re going to reevaluate publishing and marketing team performance, and I will make sure that Hammerpoint Interactive developers will have a much stronger voice when it comes to community management and we won’t rely 100% on OP Productions to single handedly handle this. Lots of changes will be happening very fast in the weeks to come. One of the ideas that I proposed was to select 10 players from around the world who can represent the player community and invite them to our offices in Los Angeles, to meet the team, check out what we’re doing, and share with actual developers their concerns, wishes and thoughts on the game. We also will involve community, to a much higher degree, in the process of making our next map for the War Z (called “California”). We’ll be discussing many of the aspects of the map with you and asking for feedback.
We’re revisiting our forum policies; we’re going to bring on an additional community management team, additional moderators and we’ll train them how to respond to things properly. There will still be restrictions on harassment, trash talk, etc. But we’ll make sure that every opinion is heard. At the same time, I must also be cautious: we cannot address all issues and there cannot be only one voice. Please accept that. With hundreds of thousands of players playing, talking, chatting, voicing their strong opinions, there will always be diverging opinions. And some issues that are minor ones are sometimes brought to light by very vocal channels. I would even say there is sometimes a beginning of controversy because the game is now so popular. So there is sometimes a distortion between the severity of the issue and the attention it gets. But we will clearly implement steps to better listen to the community.
What is Foundation Release?
The most asked question of the last week was “is this the final release?” My answer has always been that for an online game a “final” release means that the game is dead – so there’s really no such thing, you never stop developing, making changes to and adding new features to the game. This is how we came to call the current version of The War Z “Foundation Release.” We launched the Foundation Release on December 17, 2012 as our first-stage release that we use as a foundation to build upon. It does include the core features and a fully playable environment. This is our version 1.0, and of course we will continue to improve that version as time goes on. Did we rush to get it done? That is a tough question, but to answer honestly I think that we all pushed very hard to be first to market and in time for the holidays. Our entire team was working late, long hours to iron out issues and include as many features as possible. This is part of the reality of being a smaller, independent game developer. If we had a larger team and more funding we may have done things differently, but I’m not sure. I don’t think it was a mistake because our numbers have been strong since day one and, even with the recent negativity, our metrics are really solid and we’ve been continuing to grow. The negative opinions are always the most vocal, but most players are really enjoying the game and we’ve been attracting more and more daily active players every week. A lot of the gaming journalists that have been playing the game have also given us some great feedback. I realize that we will take a few hits from some of the traditional gaming press in terms of review scores, but I’m hoping that even they will consider that this game is a living project that will continue to evolve as time goes on. We are very proud of our Foundation Release, and we do stand behind it like we have stood behind any previous version.
What’s on the Horizon?
As for what will happen next with The War Z? We’re currently evaluating the relationship between Hammerpoint and OP Productions. I firmly believe that Hammerpoint should be playing a more prominent role in publishing/game operating process. We’re in a process of adding new key members to our team, bringing on guys who have much more experience operating and growing successful online games and I know this is going to make a huge difference in terms of development. We’ll be making some big decisions in terms of leadership for both companies and I will personally change how I handle many things. Above all we will continue to develop and make this game the best that it can be.
I know that to some people my words won’t matter much. I understand that. I hope that will change as we move forward and deliver the features that our players have been waiting for. I can promise you that from now on things will be much more transparent, and we’ll provide better communication and engage our community to discuss upcoming features way before they appear in the game.
I do believe that we aren’t even close to uncovering the true potential for The War Z, and I hope that in the coming year, we’ll be able to regain trust from people who were alienated by our actions and we’ll be able to move forward and grow the game together.
Thank you for reading all this, thank you for supporting the game and thank you for helping us to change and realize what’s important as well as what is not.
I hope you are all having a happy holiday and I wish you the best for the New Year!
On December 26 2012 20:17 betaman wrote: I don't care if they game is amazing fun, I will NEVER support a developer who have such an awful disregard for it's customers and the truth. A developer that is clearly only interested in making money as fast as possible.
- The game is a hastily made mod of War Inc, their previous game, to cash in on the popularity of Day Z. Yet they claim the game has been in development for a long time. - They rush the game onto Steam to make money, when the game is still in Alpha. Calling it a "foundation" release. - The original steam page, was one of the worst cases of flagrant false advertising I have ever seen. Staged screen shots, endless lies such as "gain XP for dozens of skills" (there are no skills) and "100-400 square kilometre maps" (there is ONE map that is roughly 15 square kilometres). - They copy artwork and other assets such as LoL Terms of Service. Clearly demonstrating their lack of scruples. - Not to mention all the other rumours such as banning people at random to scare people from hacking (which is apparently rife) and never giving refunds to disgruntled customers and instead insulting them.
Whatever happened to the customer is king? Yet we have people here and in other places jumping to their defence merely because they have had some fun with the game. These people should hang their heads in shame.
I enjoy the game. The problem is their PR and marketing department. They fucked up big time, but other wise the game is pretty decent.If you've never played this game and experienced it first hand, then there's no point.
I enjoyed some of the worst games I ever played, and uninstalled some of the best after only a few hours.
The thing that bothers me (not only in this case, it's pretty widespread) is the blatant rejection of objectivity. While I don't really care about people praising - or defending - the games just because they like them per se, it does have an unfortunate side effect of promoting the game to other people in an essentially dishonest way.
You can even see it here on TL in the Steam thread, or any other thread in which people recommend games to other people by saying "[game] is the best classic hardcore [genre] ever nothing like this new bullshit you have to buy it trust me", without ever bothering to warn people about the glaring design faults or technical problems with the game that might make it unplayable for someone who has a slightly different taste or quality standards.
While how one spend their money and the research involved in the decision is ultimately one's own responsibility, I don't really see the point of people acting (intentionally or not) like companies' salesmen or PR agents for no personal gain whatsoever.
"I know that to some people my words won’t matter much."
you got that right bud. in fact i'm pretty sure those weren't even sergey's words. judging by the interview a while back his english is atrocious. i have a feeling his PR dude walked up to his desk and was like "dude people are really getting pissed. we need to do something." "but we aren't lose monehs yes?" "actually we are" "just make sorry letter and put sergey name on bottom"
and here we have it. an email that gave too little too late. sergey needs to just go away and come back when he can handle himself like a decent individual from the start.
in fact, it would probably be better if he just left the gaming industry entirely. guy is a fucking snake oil salesman.
They can write all they want and it won't change anything. The only thing they can do to redeem themself is to deliver on their promises. In their pc gamer interview (here) they said they'd add leaderboards and improvements in clan system (whatever that means) by the end of december or early january.
Well, for anyone actually still playing, are leaderboards in the game now? Did they improve the clan system? Well, they still have a week.
That e-mail wasn't too bad, although he is definitively very full of himself when the fact is the game is not very original at all. He also boasts about numbers when he would never have written something like that at all if it wasn't obvious to him that they are losing money and the game is going to die. I have no doubt that those numbers he cited are complete bullshit. Although that e-mail is probably the best move they could make at this point, I think it will be too little too late for everyone other than the current fan boys of the game that have supported it throughout even the most insulting and arrogant moments Sergey has had. Like he said he let his (little) success go to his head and now by his complete 180 in how he is speaking to his community he is panicking.
On December 29 2012 02:36 Efekkt wrote: That e-mail wasn't too bad, although he is definitively very full of himself when the fact is the game is not very original at all. He also boasts about numbers when he would never have written something like that at all if it wasn't obvious to him that they are losing money and the game is going to die. I have no doubt that those numbers he cited are complete bullshit. Although that e-mail is probably the best move they could make at this point, I think it will be too little too late for everyone other than the current fan boys of the game that have supported it throughout even the most insulting and arrogant moments Sergey has had. Like he said he let his (little) success go to his head and now by his complete 180 in how he is speaking to his community he is panicking.
I doubt the numbers are fake because of how packed the servers are constantly. Every day I play the 100 pops are nearly full and the 50 pop servers on EU and NA both hover at around 30 people with 20 being the least. The game definitely does have a big player base atm and seems to be growing as of late. Before there were only around 130 50 pop servers with the average being 15 people on a server. Since Sergey sent this email members of the dev team have been on the forums replying to threads and criticism for their game which has been really interesting to read.
I think the TB video was quite informative/"accurate". While there may have been some bad luck and.or bad gamer skills going on, overall it appeared to be a representative experience of the game, albeit with perhaps a showcase of some of some worse luck than average.
I really wouldn't call him biased. While expecting a poor result is indeed a form of bias, it's a very minor form of bias. if someone was to perform research on smoking, I don't think it's too wrong for one to be assuming it's unhealthy (even if it's not ideal). I think overall he gave it a fair shot, and he just got legitimately screwed.
That said, games do have room for improvement. If the game improves a lot, I think many people will give it a second look, and not just outright dismiss it because of a bad first release (not saying some won't).
I have some buddies that still continue to play this game. And whenever we talk about it, we always end up arguing about why I dont play this game anymore etc. Its tough dude, when you got friends who accuse you of not giving this game a fair chance, when the only reason you bought this game was because you thought there would be no excessive hackers. But ever since the Alpha stages hackers were so common. I always state how bitter I am towards Hammerpoint for not giving me a refund. They said I already played "X" amount of hours and that I should give it more time...--OKAY NO!!!
I bought the game, as a player coming from Day Z, because I wanted to play a hacker free environment. And it did not deliver. My friends then say that every game has hackers and that I need to give it time...
Motherfucker, I said, "When was the last time you died where you thought you didn't get killed by a hacker". Couldnt give me an honest answer. God. W/e, I just needed to vent.
On January 05 2013 15:00 Emnjay808 wrote: Im pretty frustrated atm.
I have some buddies that still continue to play this game. And whenever we talk about it, we always end up arguing about why I dont play this game anymore etc. Its tough dude, when you got friends who accuse you of not giving this game a fair chance, when the only reason you bought this game was because you thought there would be no excessive hackers. But ever since the Alpha stages hackers were so common. I always state how bitter I am towards Hammerpoint for not giving me a refund. They said I already played "X" amount of hours and that I should give it more time...--OKAY NO!!!
I bought the game, as a player coming from Day Z, because I wanted to play a hacker free environment. And it did not deliver. My friends then say that every game has hackers and that I need to give it time...
Motherfucker, I said, "When was the last time you died where you thought you didn't get killed by a hacker". Couldnt give me an honest answer. God. W/e, I just needed to vent.
The devs really need to get their heads out of their asses. They know there is a lot of hate for them and when they say ridiculous things in interviews to piss people off ugh. It just causes more problems and I don't really know what to say, I have fun playing the game when I do but Sergey annoys me.
God this game is fun with little to none hackers. Keep holding your breaths for the DayZ standalone. I'm having the time of my life while you guys bitch about the devs.
i logged on the other day and it seemed like there was no hackers in campos (on a ~20ppl) server.
I killed 2 guys in the apts and they both prox chatted "fairfight 'my name'" A lot of people were firing in campos and it seemed all pretty legit. I'm not sure if the anti-cheat is working or not, but it was a much better experience than a few days ago.
i stopped playing again though, i just bought borderlands 2 :D
On January 08 2013 11:53 acidstormy wrote: i logged on the other day and it seemed like there was no hackers in campos (on a ~20ppl) server.
I killed 2 guys in the apts and they both prox chatted "fairfight 'my name'" A lot of people were firing in campos and it seemed all pretty legit. I'm not sure if the anti-cheat is working or not, but it was a much better experience than a few days ago.
i stopped playing again though, i just bought borderlands 2 :D
The anti-cheat is working, a lot of hackers have been banned. Also fairfight is to report someone soo they reported you for hacking.
I got WarZ 2 and a half weeks ago. Installed, played for about 10 minutes and had to get off. Now when i try to log on it doenst even connect to the patching server? I'm hearing from a friend people are hacking the game and I can't get the website to work so I presume that is correct. Is it down for everyone? I've been away and I was coming from DayZ. The reason why everyone is against WarZ now is because of the horrible service and false release statements?
On January 09 2013 05:13 FreezingAssassin wrote: I got WarZ 2 and a half weeks ago. Installed, played for about 10 minutes and had to get off. Now when i try to log on it doenst even connect to the patching server? I'm hearing from a friend people are hacking the game and I can't get the website to work so I presume that is correct. Is it down for everyone? I've been away and I was coming from DayZ. The reason why everyone is against WarZ now is because of the horrible service and false release statements?
Nah, the service is usually good and stable its just lately the problems with it. The big reason is false statements(like on steam) also Sergey can seem very arrogant imo during interviews which pisses people off even more.
On January 09 2013 05:13 FreezingAssassin wrote: I got WarZ 2 and a half weeks ago. Installed, played for about 10 minutes and had to get off. Now when i try to log on it doenst even connect to the patching server? I'm hearing from a friend people are hacking the game and I can't get the website to work so I presume that is correct. Is it down for everyone? I've been away and I was coming from DayZ. The reason why everyone is against WarZ now is because of the horrible service and false release statements?
Not everyone can get onto WarZ is because they are being DDOSed'd basically nonstop I believe. Some people can get still get on though despite that.
i wasn't hacking though!!!!! i thought they were saying i had done a fairfight until i read it on the warz forums later. i said thanks in prox back to them lol
On January 09 2013 05:13 FreezingAssassin wrote: I got WarZ 2 and a half weeks ago. Installed, played for about 10 minutes and had to get off. Now when i try to log on it doenst even connect to the patching server? I'm hearing from a friend people are hacking the game and I can't get the website to work so I presume that is correct. Is it down for everyone? I've been away and I was coming from DayZ. The reason why everyone is against WarZ now is because of the horrible service and false release statements?
Not everyone can get onto WarZ is because they are being DDOSed'd basically nonstop I believe. Some people can get still get on though despite that.
lol they're DDOSing warZ now? hahaha. at least someone out there knows what's good for everyone else.
On January 09 2013 05:13 FreezingAssassin wrote: I got WarZ 2 and a half weeks ago. Installed, played for about 10 minutes and had to get off. Now when i try to log on it doenst even connect to the patching server? I'm hearing from a friend people are hacking the game and I can't get the website to work so I presume that is correct. Is it down for everyone? I've been away and I was coming from DayZ. The reason why everyone is against WarZ now is because of the horrible service and false release statements?
look into your email account you used to register the game. You'll have an email there linking you to a new version of the launcher. Looks like the old one doesnt work for some people
On January 09 2013 05:13 FreezingAssassin wrote: I got WarZ 2 and a half weeks ago. Installed, played for about 10 minutes and had to get off. Now when i try to log on it doenst even connect to the patching server? I'm hearing from a friend people are hacking the game and I can't get the website to work so I presume that is correct. Is it down for everyone? I've been away and I was coming from DayZ. The reason why everyone is against WarZ now is because of the horrible service and false release statements?
Not everyone can get onto WarZ is because they are being DDOSed'd basically nonstop I believe. Some people can get still get on though despite that.
lol they're DDOSing warZ now? hahaha. at least someone out there knows what's good for everyone else.
Not letting the people play who enjoy the game is good for everyone? I guess free will to choose to do what you want is really stupid? Someone likes something you don't darn those people must be true evil and you must stop them from doing whatever it is.
War-Z ban appeal process. Do nothing, copy paste a message saying there's evidence of you hacking. Even if you supply fake account information, same message.
I think they've outdone themselves this time. There should be a pool to see what lie is next.
On January 09 2013 05:13 FreezingAssassin wrote: I got WarZ 2 and a half weeks ago. Installed, played for about 10 minutes and had to get off. Now when i try to log on it doenst even connect to the patching server? I'm hearing from a friend people are hacking the game and I can't get the website to work so I presume that is correct. Is it down for everyone? I've been away and I was coming from DayZ. The reason why everyone is against WarZ now is because of the horrible service and false release statements?
Not everyone can get onto WarZ is because they are being DDOSed'd basically nonstop I believe. Some people can get still get on though despite that.
lol they're DDOSing warZ now? hahaha. at least someone out there knows what's good for everyone else.
Not letting the people play who enjoy the game is good for everyone? I guess free will to choose to do what you want is really stupid? Someone likes something you don't darn those people must be true evil and you must stop them from doing whatever it is.
it's because of your enjoyment of something in spite of the mentality and actions of the people who made it baffles the rest of us. you're happy to support people like sergey, and it only sends a message that they can shit on the community and be snake oil salesmen and people will still play the game.
yes. the game should be DDOS'd. because you're not just ruining the quality of the industry for yourself. you're doing it to other people.
EDIT: and after posting that i just read the post about them copy and pasting responses to ban appeals. even after that touching heartfelt email sergey sent out about how things would change... no they haven't. still the sleazy motherfucker he's always been and the ban appeal thing is just another thing to add to the stack.
On January 09 2013 05:13 FreezingAssassin wrote: I got WarZ 2 and a half weeks ago. Installed, played for about 10 minutes and had to get off. Now when i try to log on it doenst even connect to the patching server? I'm hearing from a friend people are hacking the game and I can't get the website to work so I presume that is correct. Is it down for everyone? I've been away and I was coming from DayZ. The reason why everyone is against WarZ now is because of the horrible service and false release statements?
Not everyone can get onto WarZ is because they are being DDOSed'd basically nonstop I believe. Some people can get still get on though despite that.
lol they're DDOSing warZ now? hahaha. at least someone out there knows what's good for everyone else.
Not letting the people play who enjoy the game is good for everyone? I guess free will to choose to do what you want is really stupid? Someone likes something you don't darn those people must be true evil and you must stop them from doing whatever it is.
it's because of your enjoyment of something in spite of the mentality and actions of the people who made it baffles the rest of us. you're happy to support people like sergey, and it only sends a message that they can shit on the community and be snake oil salesmen and people will still play the game.
yes. the game should be DDOS'd. because you're not just ruining the quality of the industry for yourself. you're doing it to other people.
EDIT: and after posting that i just read the post about them copy and pasting responses to ban appeals. even after that touching heartfelt email sergey sent out about how things would change... no they haven't. still the sleazy motherfucker he's always been and the ban appeal thing is just another thing to add to the stack.
Its doing nothing but hurting the people who actually play the game. If someone spent money on something they should be allowed to play it no matter what other peoples opinions are. There are a lot of people that like the game and just because you don't doesn't give other people the right to take that from them.
On January 09 2013 05:13 FreezingAssassin wrote: I got WarZ 2 and a half weeks ago. Installed, played for about 10 minutes and had to get off. Now when i try to log on it doenst even connect to the patching server? I'm hearing from a friend people are hacking the game and I can't get the website to work so I presume that is correct. Is it down for everyone? I've been away and I was coming from DayZ. The reason why everyone is against WarZ now is because of the horrible service and false release statements?
Not everyone can get onto WarZ is because they are being DDOSed'd basically nonstop I believe. Some people can get still get on though despite that.
lol they're DDOSing warZ now? hahaha. at least someone out there knows what's good for everyone else.
Not letting the people play who enjoy the game is good for everyone? I guess free will to choose to do what you want is really stupid? Someone likes something you don't darn those people must be true evil and you must stop them from doing whatever it is.
it's because of your enjoyment of something in spite of the mentality and actions of the people who made it baffles the rest of us. you're happy to support people like sergey, and it only sends a message that they can shit on the community and be snake oil salesmen and people will still play the game.
yes. the game should be DDOS'd. because you're not just ruining the quality of the industry for yourself. you're doing it to other people.
EDIT: and after posting that i just read the post about them copy and pasting responses to ban appeals. even after that touching heartfelt email sergey sent out about how things would change... no they haven't. still the sleazy motherfucker he's always been and the ban appeal thing is just another thing to add to the stack.
Its doing nothing but hurting the people who actually play the game. If someone spent money on something they should be allowed to play it no matter what other peoples opinions are. There are a lot of people that like the game and just because you don't doesn't give other people the right to take that from them.
The players are just the collateral damage. DDOSers are going after and hurting the publisher.
You can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs.
On January 09 2013 05:13 FreezingAssassin wrote: I got WarZ 2 and a half weeks ago. Installed, played for about 10 minutes and had to get off. Now when i try to log on it doenst even connect to the patching server? I'm hearing from a friend people are hacking the game and I can't get the website to work so I presume that is correct. Is it down for everyone? I've been away and I was coming from DayZ. The reason why everyone is against WarZ now is because of the horrible service and false release statements?
Not everyone can get onto WarZ is because they are being DDOSed'd basically nonstop I believe. Some people can get still get on though despite that.
lol they're DDOSing warZ now? hahaha. at least someone out there knows what's good for everyone else.
Not letting the people play who enjoy the game is good for everyone? I guess free will to choose to do what you want is really stupid? Someone likes something you don't darn those people must be true evil and you must stop them from doing whatever it is.
it's because of your enjoyment of something in spite of the mentality and actions of the people who made it baffles the rest of us. you're happy to support people like sergey, and it only sends a message that they can shit on the community and be snake oil salesmen and people will still play the game.
yes. the game should be DDOS'd. because you're not just ruining the quality of the industry for yourself. you're doing it to other people.
EDIT: and after posting that i just read the post about them copy and pasting responses to ban appeals. even after that touching heartfelt email sergey sent out about how things would change... no they haven't. still the sleazy motherfucker he's always been and the ban appeal thing is just another thing to add to the stack.
Its doing nothing but hurting the people who actually play the game. If someone spent money on something they should be allowed to play it no matter what other peoples opinions are. There are a lot of people that like the game and just because you don't doesn't give other people the right to take that from them.
The players are just the collateral damage. DDOSers are going after and hurting the publisher.
You can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs.
I guess that is true, I just feel its kind of unfair to the people who want to get their money's worth at least.
On January 09 2013 05:13 FreezingAssassin wrote: I got WarZ 2 and a half weeks ago. Installed, played for about 10 minutes and had to get off. Now when i try to log on it doenst even connect to the patching server? I'm hearing from a friend people are hacking the game and I can't get the website to work so I presume that is correct. Is it down for everyone? I've been away and I was coming from DayZ. The reason why everyone is against WarZ now is because of the horrible service and false release statements?
Not everyone can get onto WarZ is because they are being DDOSed'd basically nonstop I believe. Some people can get still get on though despite that.
lol they're DDOSing warZ now? hahaha. at least someone out there knows what's good for everyone else.
Not letting the people play who enjoy the game is good for everyone? I guess free will to choose to do what you want is really stupid? Someone likes something you don't darn those people must be true evil and you must stop them from doing whatever it is.
it's because of your enjoyment of something in spite of the mentality and actions of the people who made it baffles the rest of us. you're happy to support people like sergey, and it only sends a message that they can shit on the community and be snake oil salesmen and people will still play the game.
yes. the game should be DDOS'd. because you're not just ruining the quality of the industry for yourself. you're doing it to other people.
EDIT: and after posting that i just read the post about them copy and pasting responses to ban appeals. even after that touching heartfelt email sergey sent out about how things would change... no they haven't. still the sleazy motherfucker he's always been and the ban appeal thing is just another thing to add to the stack.
Its doing nothing but hurting the people who actually play the game. If someone spent money on something they should be allowed to play it no matter what other peoples opinions are. There are a lot of people that like the game and just because you don't doesn't give other people the right to take that from them.
The players are just the collateral damage. DDOSers are going after and hurting the publisher.
You can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs.
I guess that is true, I just feel its kind of unfair to the people who want to get their money's worth at least.
Which is why this is a bad analogy. You bought eggs and you're getting your money's worth by using them to make omelettes. I can't make an omelette with the money I paid to play war z because some bitter asshat wants to deny me my olive oil spray.
On January 09 2013 05:13 FreezingAssassin wrote: I got WarZ 2 and a half weeks ago. Installed, played for about 10 minutes and had to get off. Now when i try to log on it doenst even connect to the patching server? I'm hearing from a friend people are hacking the game and I can't get the website to work so I presume that is correct. Is it down for everyone? I've been away and I was coming from DayZ. The reason why everyone is against WarZ now is because of the horrible service and false release statements?
Not everyone can get onto WarZ is because they are being DDOSed'd basically nonstop I believe. Some people can get still get on though despite that.
lol they're DDOSing warZ now? hahaha. at least someone out there knows what's good for everyone else.
Not letting the people play who enjoy the game is good for everyone? I guess free will to choose to do what you want is really stupid? Someone likes something you don't darn those people must be true evil and you must stop them from doing whatever it is.
it's because of your enjoyment of something in spite of the mentality and actions of the people who made it baffles the rest of us. you're happy to support people like sergey, and it only sends a message that they can shit on the community and be snake oil salesmen and people will still play the game.
yes. the game should be DDOS'd. because you're not just ruining the quality of the industry for yourself. you're doing it to other people.
EDIT: and after posting that i just read the post about them copy and pasting responses to ban appeals. even after that touching heartfelt email sergey sent out about how things would change... no they haven't. still the sleazy motherfucker he's always been and the ban appeal thing is just another thing to add to the stack.
Its doing nothing but hurting the people who actually play the game. If someone spent money on something they should be allowed to play it no matter what other peoples opinions are. There are a lot of people that like the game and just because you don't doesn't give other people the right to take that from them.
The players are just the collateral damage. DDOSers are going after and hurting the publisher.
You can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs.
I guess that is true, I just feel its kind of unfair to the people who want to get their money's worth at least.
Which is why this is a bad analogy. You bought eggs and you're getting your money's worth by using them to make omelettes. I can't make an omelette with the money I paid to play war z because some bitter asshat wants to deny me my olive oil spray.
You can't just change the meanings of turns of phrase!
this game looked neat in concept, but i heard it was actually shitty anyone who thinks its good gimme a quick sell on why you think this is worth playing.
On January 11 2013 06:54 dreamsmasher wrote: this game looked neat in concept, but i heard it was actually shitty anyone who thinks its good gimme a quick sell on why you think this is worth playing.
it's not. only play it if you like the idea of trying to play COD on a dayz map.
i think lowering the gun spawn rates is a terrible mistake. The gameplay of WarZ thrives on getting weapons to kill other people. Making weapons more rare only annoys the players. Players WILL STILL farm for weapons, because there is really nothing else to do in the game.
The game didn't sell on its survival or realistic aspect so they can't really expect people to just survive. It is extremely to survive in warz... you can easily kill zombies and gather food.
Can we just close this thread? The game is basically dead. They have lost their name in a copyright claim, they lost their place on Steam, and they lost the respect of every gamer in existence...it's old news.
On January 09 2013 05:13 FreezingAssassin wrote: I got WarZ 2 and a half weeks ago. Installed, played for about 10 minutes and had to get off. Now when i try to log on it doenst even connect to the patching server? I'm hearing from a friend people are hacking the game and I can't get the website to work so I presume that is correct. Is it down for everyone? I've been away and I was coming from DayZ. The reason why everyone is against WarZ now is because of the horrible service and false release statements?
Not everyone can get onto WarZ is because they are being DDOSed'd basically nonstop I believe. Some people can get still get on though despite that.
lol they're DDOSing warZ now? hahaha. at least someone out there knows what's good for everyone else.
Not letting the people play who enjoy the game is good for everyone? I guess free will to choose to do what you want is really stupid? Someone likes something you don't darn those people must be true evil and you must stop them from doing whatever it is.
it's because of your enjoyment of something in spite of the mentality and actions of the people who made it baffles the rest of us. you're happy to support people like sergey, and it only sends a message that they can shit on the community and be snake oil salesmen and people will still play the game.
yes. the game should be DDOS'd. because you're not just ruining the quality of the industry for yourself. you're doing it to other people.
EDIT: and after posting that i just read the post about them copy and pasting responses to ban appeals. even after that touching heartfelt email sergey sent out about how things would change... no they haven't. still the sleazy motherfucker he's always been and the ban appeal thing is just another thing to add to the stack.
How will DDOS attacks improve the situation for anyone but the warz developers? Paying customers can't play the game and the devs can delay features because they have to take care of the DDOS. Should wol have been DDOSed at release because blizzard screwed people over with bnet 0.2?
On January 09 2013 05:13 FreezingAssassin wrote: I got WarZ 2 and a half weeks ago. Installed, played for about 10 minutes and had to get off. Now when i try to log on it doenst even connect to the patching server? I'm hearing from a friend people are hacking the game and I can't get the website to work so I presume that is correct. Is it down for everyone? I've been away and I was coming from DayZ. The reason why everyone is against WarZ now is because of the horrible service and false release statements?
Not everyone can get onto WarZ is because they are being DDOSed'd basically nonstop I believe. Some people can get still get on though despite that.
lol they're DDOSing warZ now? hahaha. at least someone out there knows what's good for everyone else.
Not letting the people play who enjoy the game is good for everyone? I guess free will to choose to do what you want is really stupid? Someone likes something you don't darn those people must be true evil and you must stop them from doing whatever it is.
it's because of your enjoyment of something in spite of the mentality and actions of the people who made it baffles the rest of us. you're happy to support people like sergey, and it only sends a message that they can shit on the community and be snake oil salesmen and people will still play the game.
yes. the game should be DDOS'd. because you're not just ruining the quality of the industry for yourself. you're doing it to other people.
EDIT: and after posting that i just read the post about them copy and pasting responses to ban appeals. even after that touching heartfelt email sergey sent out about how things would change... no they haven't. still the sleazy motherfucker he's always been and the ban appeal thing is just another thing to add to the stack.
How will DDOS attacks improve the situation for anyone but the warz developers? Paying customers can't play the game and the devs can delay features because they have to take care of the DDOS. Should wol have been DDOSed at release because blizzard screwed people over with bnet 0.2?
You dont see the bigger picture man ! its not about enjoying the game or even the game itself. It's about the gaming community as a whole from sc2 to kittycat cupcake land. People shouldnt play(support) the game because of how bad their business practices are because if we do support(play) this game other people will start thinking its okay to get away with lying/deceitful practices to earn quick cash just because the game is enjoyable.
EDIT: Also you cant really compare bnet2.0 to this because blizzard werent intentionally lying to everyone and trying to come up with cash grab schemes. Bnet2.0 may have failed on many promises and features but its not like they intentially made it shitty and did a quick release so people can buy it. Many company's fail to deliverer on promises or expectations but that doesnt make them bad. It's bad when a company deceives people, treats them like crap, pretend they care, and find ways to implement quick cash grabs, to name a few.
On January 11 2013 15:18 deth2munkies wrote: Can we just close this thread? The game is basically dead. They have lost their name in a copyright claim, they lost their place on Steam, and they lost the respect of every gamer in existence...it's old news.
On December 25 2012 11:21 SpikeStarcraft wrote: In Dayz i guess z could also mean zero like day zero after the zombie apocalypse
Hmm that makes sense, I like it very much.
"The DayZ name has been chosen because I'm a huge fan of Walt Disney cartoon, it is an obvious reference to Daisy, the wife of Donald Duck. - The producer"
Has anyone else read the horrific Game Informer review on this game? You know, the one that didn't mention a single one of the million controversies and used the fake screenshots in the review? The one that hyped up the game without mentioning a single flaw? Game journalism at its finest, right there.
On January 18 2013 00:48 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Has anyone else read the horrific Game Informer review on this game? You know, the one that didn't mention a single one of the million controversies and used the fake screenshots in the review? The one that hyped up the game without mentioning a single flaw? Game journalism at its finest, right there.
I haven't seen it but I don't know how you can review this game without first warning people about the hacking problems at the very least. Hackers in the game are extremely frustrating partnered with the fact that devs haven't really done a lot of what they said.
On January 23 2013 13:21 acidstormy wrote: I quit.
No one cares, and no one will miss me.
Uh, you are talking about the game right?
Lmao, yeah the game. I raged last night when i killed 2 guys in the postoffice @ clearview and got killed by zombies through a solid wall. My tears tasted sooo good.
Anyways, this game is stupid and the community seems pretty stupid. The forums are full of people either bashing the new patch or cock-riders who are saying the patch is "good work, amazing job". I agree it probably is THE BEST patch up to date, but if you really looked past their wall of text in the update, it didn't add much to the game. The art was stepped up, but the gameplay is still bad and stagnant.
I feel like the devs are stuck trying to make the game realistic, but it really is not remotely realistic. They just updated backpack weights today where a LG backpack's capacity is 20lb. Already fans are already hounding people speaking out against this decision. Fan defense over dev stupid ass change? Realism. You can judge how realistic this game is by this one statement: A large backpack fits in a small backpack. -__-\
Edit: I've always wanted to say this but i feel like there is limited sprint in the game to mask how small the map actually is. That is why i think vehicles will be so stupid in the game. You will be able to traverse from city to city super fast, and where would you even hide your damn car? All the tall pines and cluster of white trees are identical and provide no cover
On January 09 2013 05:13 FreezingAssassin wrote: I got WarZ 2 and a half weeks ago. Installed, played for about 10 minutes and had to get off. Now when i try to log on it doenst even connect to the patching server? I'm hearing from a friend people are hacking the game and I can't get the website to work so I presume that is correct. Is it down for everyone? I've been away and I was coming from DayZ. The reason why everyone is against WarZ now is because of the horrible service and false release statements?
Not everyone can get onto WarZ is because they are being DDOSed'd basically nonstop I believe. Some people can get still get on though despite that.
lol they're DDOSing warZ now? hahaha. at least someone out there knows what's good for everyone else.
Not letting the people play who enjoy the game is good for everyone? I guess free will to choose to do what you want is really stupid? Someone likes something you don't darn those people must be true evil and you must stop them from doing whatever it is.
it's because of your enjoyment of something in spite of the mentality and actions of the people who made it baffles the rest of us. you're happy to support people like sergey, and it only sends a message that they can shit on the community and be snake oil salesmen and people will still play the game.
yes. the game should be DDOS'd. because you're not just ruining the quality of the industry for yourself. you're doing it to other people.
EDIT: and after posting that i just read the post about them copy and pasting responses to ban appeals. even after that touching heartfelt email sergey sent out about how things would change... no they haven't. still the sleazy motherfucker he's always been and the ban appeal thing is just another thing to add to the stack.
Its doing nothing but hurting the people who actually play the game. If someone spent money on something they should be allowed to play it no matter what other peoples opinions are. There are a lot of people that like the game and just because you don't doesn't give other people the right to take that from them.
Except people aren't being allowed like the people who got banned for no reason. The company who made the game is so fucking slimy it's hilarious that people defend them. Look at the list of removed features, the people who got banned and can't appeal, and the 200 other things. It goes back to Big Rig Racing so it's not a simple mistake...
On January 09 2013 05:13 FreezingAssassin wrote: I got WarZ 2 and a half weeks ago. Installed, played for about 10 minutes and had to get off. Now when i try to log on it doenst even connect to the patching server? I'm hearing from a friend people are hacking the game and I can't get the website to work so I presume that is correct. Is it down for everyone? I've been away and I was coming from DayZ. The reason why everyone is against WarZ now is because of the horrible service and false release statements?
Not everyone can get onto WarZ is because they are being DDOSed'd basically nonstop I believe. Some people can get still get on though despite that.
lol they're DDOSing warZ now? hahaha. at least someone out there knows what's good for everyone else.
Not letting the people play who enjoy the game is good for everyone? I guess free will to choose to do what you want is really stupid? Someone likes something you don't darn those people must be true evil and you must stop them from doing whatever it is.
it's because of your enjoyment of something in spite of the mentality and actions of the people who made it baffles the rest of us. you're happy to support people like sergey, and it only sends a message that they can shit on the community and be snake oil salesmen and people will still play the game.
yes. the game should be DDOS'd. because you're not just ruining the quality of the industry for yourself. you're doing it to other people.
EDIT: and after posting that i just read the post about them copy and pasting responses to ban appeals. even after that touching heartfelt email sergey sent out about how things would change... no they haven't. still the sleazy motherfucker he's always been and the ban appeal thing is just another thing to add to the stack.
Its doing nothing but hurting the people who actually play the game. If someone spent money on something they should be allowed to play it no matter what other peoples opinions are. There are a lot of people that like the game and just because you don't doesn't give other people the right to take that from them.
Except people aren't being allowed like the people who got banned for no reason. The company who made the game is so fucking slimy it's hilarious that people defend them. Look at the list of removed features, the people who got banned and can't appeal, and the 200 other things. It goes back to Big Rig Racing so it's not a simple mistake...
You replied to a couple week old post before this happened. I don't care about the game and I was simply saying if someone paid for something they should be able to use it, good or bad. I don't like the game, I don't care and I don't play it.
My friend logged in earlier and said with the new changes to server hopping you literally can not go to safe settlements. You spawn outside Safe Zones in predetermined areas where people are just camping and killing people as they spawn in.
People are being banned for no reason with the anti-cheat claiming they are hacking. I have 3 friends that havent played since the beta, their accounts were all banned for "ESP". When they contacted support, support talked extremely down to them and called them blatant hacker kids who are lying. THEY HAVEN'T PLAYED THE GAME SINCE BETA.
Such a joke, how can you ban people who don't even play the game and claim they hack? Some of the devs said they don't even understand how hacking works, it is really pathetic how this game is being ran. Even with the ridiculous hacks on DayZ it is so much more enjoyable than that piece of shit game WarZ.
WarZ at its current state is overrun with hackers everywhere, Spawn campers and safe zone campers. The new weight system is a joke, the new anti-server hopping system is a joke and the fact that they put items into the marketplace that you can ONLY get from GC. I can't believe I actually gave this game a fair chance, hope this game rots and anything the devs ever touch again rots.
On January 23 2013 13:21 acidstormy wrote: I quit.
No one cares, and no one will miss me.
Uh, you are talking about the game right?
I feel like the devs are stuck trying to make the game realistic, but it really is not remotely realistic. They just updated backpack weights today where a LG backpack's capacity is 20lb. Already fans are already hounding people speaking out against this decision. Fan defense over dev stupid ass change? Realism. You can judge how realistic this game is by this one statement: A large backpack fits in a small backpack. -__-\
Dunno, that is theoretically possible. If you can fold the backpack to a smaller size, or something. Not that this is relevant to basically anything, i just wanted to point it out
I watched my friends try to play this game last night. They spent over 30 minutes meeting up and getting geared, ready to go out. Spawn in and all 7 of them get spawn killed, I proceeded to say lol u mad? Needless to say they all got mad and rage quit.
On March 01 2013 12:53 h3r1n6 wrote: Also, did they ever patch in all that stuff they promised? Why do I even ask.
They didn't add in cars or skill trees but they did add in a new anti server hopping method that allows you to be spawn killed most of the time. They also never added in those lockers that were suppose to show "DayZ's buggy tents" up.
So like....pretty much everyone can agree War Z is a sham but why is it back on steam? if steam took it off and was issuing refunds why would they put it back on there?
On March 01 2013 17:09 FromShouri wrote: So like....pretty much everyone can agree War Z is a sham but why is it back on steam? if steam took it off and was issuing refunds why would they put it back on there?
They took it out and issued refunds because they were blatantly lying on the features list. Apparently they removed the lies now, which would mean that it is ok with steam. The quality of the game itself is not a major concern for steam, there are lots of bad games on steam.
On March 01 2013 17:09 FromShouri wrote: So like....pretty much everyone can agree War Z is a sham but why is it back on steam? if steam took it off and was issuing refunds why would they put it back on there?
They took it out and issued refunds because they were blatantly lying on the features list. Apparently they removed the lies now, which would mean that it is ok with steam. The quality of the game itself is not a major concern for steam, there are lots of bad games on steam.
IMO there is a difference between a game thats boring to play and has a shitty story but few bugs compared to something that straight up lied and still is like a walking alpha version....
On March 01 2013 12:53 h3r1n6 wrote: Also, did they ever patch in all that stuff they promised? Why do I even ask.
They didn't add in cars or skill trees but they did add in a new anti server hopping method that allows you to be spawn killed most of the time. They also never added in those lockers that were suppose to show "DayZ's buggy tents" up.
pretty much this. ^^^
Taken from their Steam page.. "Leave Messages for friends in the game world with a time capsule"
On March 01 2013 17:19 Simberto wrote: They took it out and issued refunds because they were blatantly lying on the features list. Apparently they removed the lies now, which would mean that it is ok with steam. The quality of the game itself is not a major concern for steam, there are lots of bad games on steam.
The whole thing was a PR stunt. The screenshots are still blatantly not from the game and some of the features listed are still false advertising.
On March 01 2013 17:19 Simberto wrote: They took it out and issued refunds because they were blatantly lying on the features list. Apparently they removed the lies now, which would mean that it is ok with steam. The quality of the game itself is not a major concern for steam, there are lots of bad games on steam.
The whole thing was a PR stunt. The screenshots are still blatantly not from the game and some of the features listed are still false advertising.
Bought it out of curiosity. It isn't THAT bad. I can foresee a point where I can get bored, but I'm not at that point yet. It sounds more like Hammerpoint Interactive suffers from terrible marketing and PR management.
On March 03 2013 17:28 rd wrote: Bought it out of curiosity. It isn't THAT bad. I can foresee a point where I can get bored, but I'm not at that point yet. It sounds more like Hammerpoint Interactive suffers from terrible marketing and PR management.
I quit because there was a massive hacker problem, 3 of my friends got banned who hadn't played the game past the first day and obviously never hacked. Than when I watched my friends decide to play they spent 30 minutes grouping up just to switch server and die to a entire clan of spawn campers. I didn't give a **** about their bad PR, what I cared about was the trash changes they made, not fixing hackers, banning random people and being arrogant douchebags in response to people asking questions.
On March 03 2013 17:28 rd wrote: Bought it out of curiosity. It isn't THAT bad. I can foresee a point where I can get bored, but I'm not at that point yet. It sounds more like Hammerpoint Interactive suffers from terrible marketing and PR management.
I quit because there was a massive hacker problem, 3 of my friends got banned who hadn't played the game past the first day and obviously never hacked. Than when I watched my friends decide to play they spent 30 minutes grouping up just to switch server and die to a entire clan of spawn campers. I didn't give a **** about their bad PR, what I cared about was the trash changes they made, not fixing hackers, banning random people and being arrogant douchebags in response to people asking questions.
All sounds like terrible PR management. I haven't seen any hackers yet, just a bunch of people in global chat spamming hackers. Haven't been banned either. Spawn camping is an issue but it can be easily fixed. For now whenever I need to go to/leave a safe zone I just go to an empty server.
On March 03 2013 17:28 rd wrote: Bought it out of curiosity. It isn't THAT bad. I can foresee a point where I can get bored, but I'm not at that point yet. It sounds more like Hammerpoint Interactive suffers from terrible marketing and PR management.
I quit because there was a massive hacker problem, 3 of my friends got banned who hadn't played the game past the first day and obviously never hacked. Than when I watched my friends decide to play they spent 30 minutes grouping up just to switch server and die to a entire clan of spawn campers. I didn't give a **** about their bad PR, what I cared about was the trash changes they made, not fixing hackers, banning random people and being arrogant douchebags in response to people asking questions.
All sounds like terrible PR management. I haven't seen any hackers yet, just a bunch of people in global chat spamming hackers. Haven't been banned either. Spawn camping is an issue but it can be easily fixed. For now whenever I need to go to/leave a safe zone I just go to an empty server.
trust me dude, you will see a hacker. If you are playing on servers that have like 3 people on it, sure you might not, but there is such a high hacker population in this game. After a while you are gonna get bored so fast looting a city with stupid amt of zombies in it and hoard all your stuff you won't use on 10+ populated servers
On March 03 2013 17:28 rd wrote: Bought it out of curiosity. It isn't THAT bad. I can foresee a point where I can get bored, but I'm not at that point yet. It sounds more like Hammerpoint Interactive suffers from terrible marketing and PR management.
I quit because there was a massive hacker problem, 3 of my friends got banned who hadn't played the game past the first day and obviously never hacked. Than when I watched my friends decide to play they spent 30 minutes grouping up just to switch server and die to a entire clan of spawn campers. I didn't give a **** about their bad PR, what I cared about was the trash changes they made, not fixing hackers, banning random people and being arrogant douchebags in response to people asking questions.
All sounds like terrible PR management. I haven't seen any hackers yet, just a bunch of people in global chat spamming hackers. Haven't been banned either. Spawn camping is an issue but it can be easily fixed. For now whenever I need to go to/leave a safe zone I just go to an empty server.
trust me dude, you will see a hacker. If you are playing on servers that have like 3 people on it, sure you might not, but there is such a high hacker population in this game. After a while you are gonna get bored so fast looting a city with stupid amt of zombies in it and hoard all your stuff you won't use on 10+ populated servers
I'll eventually get bored doing that, but for now I'm not. I don't doubt I'll see a hacker either. I generally try to play on populated servers for the legit experience.
On March 03 2013 17:28 rd wrote: Bought it out of curiosity. It isn't THAT bad. I can foresee a point where I can get bored, but I'm not at that point yet. It sounds more like Hammerpoint Interactive suffers from terrible marketing and PR management.
I quit because there was a massive hacker problem, 3 of my friends got banned who hadn't played the game past the first day and obviously never hacked. Than when I watched my friends decide to play they spent 30 minutes grouping up just to switch server and die to a entire clan of spawn campers. I didn't give a **** about their bad PR, what I cared about was the trash changes they made, not fixing hackers, banning random people and being arrogant douchebags in response to people asking questions.
All sounds like terrible PR management. I haven't seen any hackers yet, just a bunch of people in global chat spamming hackers. Haven't been banned either. Spawn camping is an issue but it can be easily fixed. For now whenever I need to go to/leave a safe zone I just go to an empty server.
trust me dude, you will see a hacker. If you are playing on servers that have like 3 people on it, sure you might not, but there is such a high hacker population in this game. After a while you are gonna get bored so fast looting a city with stupid amt of zombies in it and hoard all your stuff you won't use on 10+ populated servers
I'll eventually get bored doing that, but for now I'm not. I don't doubt I'll see a hacker either. I generally try to play on populated servers for the legit experience.
Trust me nothing is legit in this game. Yes hackers are a massive problem still and always will be until something is changed. If you don't die to a hacker its because you didn't have a good weapon equipped so they consider you a noob and let you run around. If you ever got out with a nighstalker or a sniper or any other rare weapon you will die 100% to a hacker. Also the majority of players use free hacks including ESP which is harder to notice.
On March 03 2013 17:28 rd wrote: Bought it out of curiosity. It isn't THAT bad. I can foresee a point where I can get bored, but I'm not at that point yet. It sounds more like Hammerpoint Interactive suffers from terrible marketing and PR management.
I quit because there was a massive hacker problem, 3 of my friends got banned who hadn't played the game past the first day and obviously never hacked. Than when I watched my friends decide to play they spent 30 minutes grouping up just to switch server and die to a entire clan of spawn campers. I didn't give a **** about their bad PR, what I cared about was the trash changes they made, not fixing hackers, banning random people and being arrogant douchebags in response to people asking questions.
All sounds like terrible PR management. I haven't seen any hackers yet, just a bunch of people in global chat spamming hackers. Haven't been banned either. Spawn camping is an issue but it can be easily fixed. For now whenever I need to go to/leave a safe zone I just go to an empty server.
trust me dude, you will see a hacker. If you are playing on servers that have like 3 people on it, sure you might not, but there is such a high hacker population in this game. After a while you are gonna get bored so fast looting a city with stupid amt of zombies in it and hoard all your stuff you won't use on 10+ populated servers
I'll eventually get bored doing that, but for now I'm not. I don't doubt I'll see a hacker either. I generally try to play on populated servers for the legit experience.
Trust me nothing is legit in this game. Yes hackers are a massive problem still and always will be until something is changed. If you don't die to a hacker its because you didn't have a good weapon equipped so they consider you a noob and let you run around. If you ever got out with a nighstalker or a sniper or any other rare weapon you will die 100% to a hacker. Also the majority of players use free hacks including ESP which is harder to notice.
The game isn't legit, or the hacking problem isn't legit? It sounds like the game could be enjoyable if the hackers were dealt with.
On March 03 2013 17:28 rd wrote: Bought it out of curiosity. It isn't THAT bad. I can foresee a point where I can get bored, but I'm not at that point yet. It sounds more like Hammerpoint Interactive suffers from terrible marketing and PR management.
I quit because there was a massive hacker problem, 3 of my friends got banned who hadn't played the game past the first day and obviously never hacked. Than when I watched my friends decide to play they spent 30 minutes grouping up just to switch server and die to a entire clan of spawn campers. I didn't give a **** about their bad PR, what I cared about was the trash changes they made, not fixing hackers, banning random people and being arrogant douchebags in response to people asking questions.
All sounds like terrible PR management. I haven't seen any hackers yet, just a bunch of people in global chat spamming hackers. Haven't been banned either. Spawn camping is an issue but it can be easily fixed. For now whenever I need to go to/leave a safe zone I just go to an empty server.
trust me dude, you will see a hacker. If you are playing on servers that have like 3 people on it, sure you might not, but there is such a high hacker population in this game. After a while you are gonna get bored so fast looting a city with stupid amt of zombies in it and hoard all your stuff you won't use on 10+ populated servers
I'll eventually get bored doing that, but for now I'm not. I don't doubt I'll see a hacker either. I generally try to play on populated servers for the legit experience.
Trust me nothing is legit in this game. Yes hackers are a massive problem still and always will be until something is changed. If you don't die to a hacker its because you didn't have a good weapon equipped so they consider you a noob and let you run around. If you ever got out with a nighstalker or a sniper or any other rare weapon you will die 100% to a hacker. Also the majority of players use free hacks including ESP which is harder to notice.
The game isn't legit, or the hacking problem isn't legit? It sounds like the game could be enjoyable if the hackers were dealt with.
it still suffers from a massively boring endgame once you understand the mechanics. it's a combination of boring, floaty fps pvp and boring, tedious zombie murdering wrapped up in a cynical microtransactional model and an intentionally unrewarding loot system so that when you finally get that scar or blaser (I played for a few weeks before the steam fiasco and never found either), you can run around feeling satisfied for a while until someone inevitably takes it from you.
you'll get your money's worth out of it, but I desperately wish I'd put my $25 into the walking dead or hotline miami or something, a game with a soul or at least honestly interesting gameplay.
Lmao, they keep failing so hard with every patch. Laziest and stupidest game company ever to exist. Why would you not test how things work before releasing it?!?!?
This patch involving skills was definitely not enough to get me playing again. The skills are poorly integrated into the game. Of course skills shouldn't make it where you will have a major advantage over other players (which they probably didn't think about and luckily hit) but skills are way too lame. Didn't add anything different to the game.
Apparently hackers have everyones account info and passwords/emails. If you use the same password for WarZ as you do other stuff I would change it just to be safe. I don't know if its true or not but its best to be safe imo.
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