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Irratonalys
Germany902 Posts
Edit 2: just noticed the French have 4 2 star generals... If any country is broken I think we have a better candidate! Well , at this point Austria is only still around because i need to farm something for power projection points. (getting that delicious 1/1/1 bonus. | ||
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Bojas
Netherlands2397 Posts
On October 17 2014 03:12 Irratonalys wrote: Well , at this point Austria is only still around because i need to farm something for power projection points. (getting that delicious 1/1/1 bonus. What's your manpower, force limits and income like compared to France? By the way: privateers are amazing for PP, if you're not already doing that  .Edit 2: oh yeah and your AE! I'm very curious. | ||
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Irratonalys
Germany902 Posts
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2834 Posts
On October 17 2014 02:09 ShiaoPi wrote: you can still blob faster than usual in the HRE, dont forget the -AE impact if you start out as Brandenburg There comes a point as Prussia where you don't really give a fuck about what people think about you because your at peace with half of them and you can wipe the others real easily. I had like -150 AE with most people at some point but then I stopped because I wanted to become emperor and try that out for a while. | ||
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Bojas
Netherlands2397 Posts
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419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
improving relations is really nice for avoiding coalitions. Also you're using conquest CBs which force you to make claims (most of the time). And claims are huge AE when you get caught. This is why I greatly prefer reformed in my HRE runs - holy war is just that good and fervor bonuses are great. here is my Prussia at a similar time, though I really wasn't going for nice borders. Core expiration timers really prioritize expanding in certain areas. ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/cf1yp/a9f5513401.jpg) coalition is trivial, AE is at around 25-50 in HRE | ||
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Bojas
Netherlands2397 Posts
On October 17 2014 06:45 419 wrote: lazy diplomats is the problem improving relations is really nice for avoiding coalitions. Also you're using conquest CBs which force you to make claims. And claims are huge AE when you get caught. This is why I greatly prefer reformed in my HRE runs - holy war is just that good and fervor bonuses are great. here is my Prussia at a similar time, coalition is trivial, AE is at around 25-50 in HRE Haha I just realised you're doing that Kazan AAR on Reddit. You make some valid points. I tend to only use diplomats to avoid coalitions when I notice I can avoid relations going below 0 in the first place. It isn't extremely effective at this point though, relations would still be terrible. But I should be a lot more proactive, there's really no reason for diplomats to be idle. Holy war isn't really an option, as I was already knee deep in AE before the reformation even started. I think I'll drop my Hesse game for now since it's too messy and I prefer clean games. Instead I'll probably go back to my Austria world conquest game. I'm still at the point of the last picture I posted in this thread. Gotta get that achievement before 1.7. | ||
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Zaphod Beeblebrox
Denmark697 Posts
I played a game as Brandenburg -> Prussia -> HRE recently with this result: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BRY3LTx.jpg) Other maps: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lhjgAwB.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/zKBdgGC.jpg) For anyone interested I also grabbed a bunch of screencaps of the older saves to tell a sort of story. Despite how seriously broken dicipline and morale stacking is, Prussia can be quite fun to play as once you decide to just not care anymore + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/do2WfBY.jpg) Newly formed Kingdom of Prussia. At this early stage rules the HRE after a massive war against Ottomans, Lithuania, Austia and half of the smaller nations in the HRE; with France thrown in for good measure. With a tech lead and military ideas the prussian troops stomped them all. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YfLCkOW.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hH144eR.jpg) Prussia is getting ready to invoke the last reforms forming the HRE. Between massive diplomacy and trickery all but super Tuscany were willing to submit. It took a lot of diplomatic trickery to finally convince the Tuscan prince of this folley. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xl5X4x5.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/k8vOdyp.jpg) Tuscany in our fold, and the HRE is unified under Prussian rule. LONG LIVE THE KAISER ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/acYNAgY.jpg) Hungary was an unsightly blob that needed to understand the advantages of the Prussian way. After a little convincing they were happy to join the empire. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cDBQbPp.jpg) France no longer posed any power in Europe, but they were still tough to exterminate. The Ottoman vassal was a welcome addition though. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/K6uFf9N.jpg) End game plan is clear with Nogai and Ottoman Vassals. Cores were fed and Ottomans integrated (Nogai required too many points to do before end of game). After a few more wars the empire controlled the middle east completely, and the last french were pushed into the ocean. Likewise the russians retreated to siberia after too many wars with the combined empirial-swedish alliance. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
I'm getting pretty excited for AoW. I wonder if Najd -> Arabia can get Jihad? | ||
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419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
loving the new ideas for the most part as well | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
My first game will probably be as Austria. HRE politics sure sounds like fun | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4123 Posts
On October 17 2014 06:45 419 wrote: lazy diplomats is the problem improving relations is really nice for avoiding coalitions. Also you're using conquest CBs which force you to make claims (most of the time). And claims are huge AE when you get caught. This is why I greatly prefer reformed in my HRE runs - holy war is just that good and fervor bonuses are great. here is my Prussia at a similar time, though I really wasn't going for nice borders. Core expiration timers really prioritize expanding in certain areas. + Show Spoiler + coalition is trivial, AE is at around 25-50 in HRE I've just started a Brandenburg game as well, but my rulers have been absolute shit so far  On top of that Denmark still has control of norway and sweden and is allied with muscovy. Also Ottomans got absolutely raped and now Byzantium controls everything west of the bosporus and some random anatolian beylik (Karaman?) controls the other half. So I guess I'll just be expanding into poland, lithuania and the HRE cuz I'm allied to Austria. | ||
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Zaphod Beeblebrox
Denmark697 Posts
On October 19 2014 19:01 Fildun wrote: I've just started a Brandenburg game as well, but my rulers have been absolute shit so far On top of that Denmark still has control of norway and sweden and is allied with muscovy. Also Ottomans got absolutely raped and now Byzantium controls everything west of the bosporus and some random anatolian beylik (Karaman?) controls the other half. So I guess I'll just be expanding into poland, lithuania and the HRE cuz I'm allied to Austria. My goals for my brandenburg game were simple: Expand east with wars while expanding west with diplomacy. You have no real reason to go to war with any western nation for at least 100 years because they are either 1. member of the HRE 2. uninteresting scandinavians 3. too far away to control or 4. France. Some wars for vassals and influence in the HRE is all you need to worry about. After taking the Teotons you should immediately consider Poland and Lithuania natural targets of expansion. Do note that I got 3 rulers in a row with great millitary stats, so my idea groups and tech gave me a huge boost. | ||
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419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Some of the best core return targets in the game are accessible to Brandenburg. -Ukraine is 14 provinces. Do not integrate until you've got Reformation under control, though. -Poland. Poland is adjacent to a TON of enemies, you can crush and bankrupt them early, then vassalize and core return, which gives you access to the king of core return targets... -Byzantium. -Norway/Sweden if Denmark integrates their PUs Polotsk is pretty good if you can get their nationalist rebels rioting all over Lithuania, which isn't that difficult to do. Hit all of these targets and you end up with some horrendous looking borders though. | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
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Fildun
Netherlands4123 Posts
On October 19 2014 19:41 419 wrote: It really depends how shitty you're willing to make your borders (no joke). Unless you annex/vassal Livonians you will end up on quite nice terms with Muscovy so its pretty easy to wreck PLC, France is also a natural ally. The early stage is the only perilous part, don't be afraid to go way over dip cap to get alliances. I prefer the take Danzig->vassalize Pomerania opening. Some people say that annexing Pom is better given AE changes. It will give you a slightly bigger coalition early but you'll be able to diplo vassalize one more HRE prince due to no vassal slot. Some of the best core return targets in the game are accessible to Brandenburg. -Ukraine is 14 provinces. Do not integrate until you've got Reformation under control, though. -Poland. Poland is adjacent to a TON of enemies, you can crush and bankrupt them early, then vassalize and core return, which gives you access to the king of core return targets... -Byzantium. -Norway/Sweden if Denmark integrates their PUs Polotsk is pretty good if you can get their nationalist rebels rioting all over Lithuania, which isn't that difficult to do. Hit all of these targets and you end up with some horrendous looking borders though. you'll get these horrendous looking borders if you hit these guys. Yeah reformation just started so I'm a bit busy with that, I took offensive first (completed) diplo second and religious third for that nice cb and shit. I've diploannexed everybody I could in the HRE but now it's just archduchy after archduchy, or whatever those religious states are called. Because I'm allied with Austria I should be able to just conquer the HRE with normal annexation, current coalition is only Bohemia but they're really small. Poland got absolutely wrecked and I'll probably vassalize them in my next war but Lithuania is really really big, they ate a bit of muscovy and crimea and they're allied with strong byzantium. Honestly, I could just fabricate claims on all of HRE and conquer that shit cuz Austria doesn't care at all. Maybe I'll do that. On that topic, if you form Germany as Prussia (is that possible?) do you keep prussian ideas? I kinda wanna do that. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Austria will turn on you sooner or later, so be ready for that. Especially if you start going after a lot of HRE princes. You can form Germany as Prussia and you will keep your OP ideas. It's a nice goal for yourself, but the color is hideous in comparison to the nice grey you have as Prussia | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4123 Posts
On October 19 2014 21:49 ShiaoPi wrote: archbishoprics :> Austria will turn on you sooner or later, so be ready for that. Especially if you start going after a lot of HRE princes. You can form Germany as Prussia and you will keep your OP ideas. It's a nice goal for yourself, but the color is hideous in comparison to the nice grey you have as Prussia Ehh, the Austria in my game isn't gonna turn on anyone anytime soon lol, they haven't conquered a single province since the start of the game. Edit: And then I randomly became the emperor? Ok cool I guess, I was just improving relations with ppl from the HRE because of getting the coalition down and then they suddenly all voted for me. Ok new question: If you form the HRE do you keep Prussian ideas? | ||
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Zaphod Beeblebrox
Denmark697 Posts
Prussia leading the HRE is a monster. You have so many bonusses to the right things that you can steamroll just about anyone in the world. Refer to my game where I took on Ottomans/Austria/France at almost the same time (Ottoman war ended just as the other wars were starting and Autrian war was nearly won before any real battles were fought with the french), and the only real difficulty I had was my stacks running too tired to carpet siege France, forcing a 20% wardeal in that particular war. Taking it a step further and forming the HRE with Prussian ideas well... You just won the game - nothing can possibly challenge you now apart from maybe overextension. | ||
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419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
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