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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
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Candadar
2049 Posts
On August 14 2012 06:58 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Stupid question: what is "4x genre"? These aren't 4x, no. 4x implies everyone starting small, exploring and expanding the world naturally and exploiting resources around the map to kill each other. These are Grand Strategy, basically Paradox's own little genre. It's grand in the sense you take control over a country and have complete control over a country in almost all aspects. I know it seems like a very arbitrary detail, but it really isn't. 4x is just about taking a small empire and expanding it while Grand Strat is about having total control over a country, also without turn based context that 4X games come with. Basically, 4X can be grand strategy (like Civ) but grand strategy doesn't mean it's 4X. EU3, Vicky 2, HoI3, and CK2 aren't 4X. They're just...grand strat lol. On August 14 2012 07:08 Ysellian wrote: Any word on being able to import your nation from CK2? Would make this even better! There are tools to do this out there. But not right away for EU4 unless they use the same save format. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On August 14 2012 10:46 Candadar wrote: These aren't 4x, no. 4x implies everyone starting small, exploring and expanding the world naturally and exploiting resources around the map to kill each other. These are Grand Strategy, basically Paradox's own little genre. It's grand in the sense you take control over a country and have complete control over a country in almost all aspects. I know it seems like a very arbitrary detail, but it really isn't. 4x is just about taking a small empire and expanding it while Grand Strat is about having total control over a country, also without turn based context that 4X games come with. Basically, 4X can be grand strategy (like Civ) but grand strategy doesn't mean it's 4X. EU3, Vicky 2, HoI3, and CK2 aren't 4X. They're just...grand strat lol. There are tools to do this out there. But not right away for EU4 unless they use the same save format. there are other games like this btw, knights of honor for example is an old 2D game that is like a casual EU, its really fun. its not just paradox games :D | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On a side note, it's pretty funny looking at the Wikipedia list because literally over half the games on it were all made by Paradox Interactive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_grand_strategy_video_games | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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Lysteria
France2280 Posts
With EU4, the Heart of Iron during cold war (East vs West, is it ?), and War of the Roses, I can smell some good shit going on. They'll swallow thousands of hours of playing, pretty sure. | ||
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Bairemuth
United States404 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?643892-Europa-Universalis-IV-Developer-Diary-9-It-s-a-rich-man-s-world... | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
even had a couple multiplayer campaign with buddies!! WW1 would usually happen by 1560 when France or w/e major nation was torn apart and everyone on the board was uber pissed hahaha epic shit! might give the 4th one a try !! for old times sake! | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On November 06 2012 01:18 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: never played too much of the 3rd one as never caught up to the learning curve bur the 1st and 2nd one... man did I play the fuck out of those!!! even had a couple multiplayer campaign with buddies!! WW1 would usually happen by 1560 when France or w/e major nation was torn apart and everyone on the board was uber pissed hahaha epic shit! might give the 4th one a try !! for old times sake! Ya me too. I have the 3rd one here and while appreciate a number of their innovations -- that history summary at the end of the game describing all your wars in wikipedia fashion was really cool -- i never got into it the way i got into the first two. | ||
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Reyis
Pitcairn287 Posts
hey guys, here is a friend referal link for EU4 if anyone interested; http://signup.europauniversalis4.com/r/72aa401e8ae if you sign-up from here, you will help me get more referalls and once you sign-up from the link anyway, you can have your own link to spread around for referalls and earn many cool stuff if you check on the site, there are quite nice rewards; from free EU3/EU4 games to books and even beta access and many more :p its run by the company itself, Paradox Development Studio. so everything is legal  cheers | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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Reyis
Pitcairn287 Posts
On April 26 2013 01:10 Bluelightz wrote: Signed up using above guys link, here's mine http://signup.europauniversalis4.com/r/3c66d9ca99b :3. So excited for EU4 beacuse I poured SO MANY HOURS on EU3.... Makes me wanna play EU3 :| yeah man, i think they are giving us the best grand strategy games ever for a while. i think they are getting close to the ultimate strategy game slowly. if only their games started to appeal more civ/ttw fans, i believe they would grow more :p | ||
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
EU3 might as well be Hello Kitty Island Adventure compared to Aurora. | ||
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myzael
Poland605 Posts
http://signup.europauniversalis4.com/r/6a47f021e37 | ||
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Saishuuheiki
United States188 Posts
It's also worth mentioning that EU:Rome was actually released after EU3 and is sort of a halfway-step between EU3 and Crusader Kings 2. I will say frankly that I don't like it as much as either of the two. Although it may sound like it's a good idea, CK2 and the EU series are really about different things, and crossing them probably isn't a good idea. EU is more fast paced (in terms of time elapsed, not game duration) so it's dangerous to mix them too much. It's kind of the paradox triumvirate of strategy types: CK2 for individual people, EU for society, and VK2 emphasizing economy. Maybe in another 5-10 years once computers are 5x as fast we can have a global scale individual-people strategy game (Some of the CK2 mods already push computers to the limit - like Lux Invictus) As long as we're doing shameless posting of our recruitment links, I can join in http://signup.europauniversalis4.com/r/c7be33f49ca | ||
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Reyis
Pitcairn287 Posts
On April 26 2013 01:26 Millitron wrote: If we still are discussing the ins and outs of 4x and grand strategy, I suggest everyone checks out Aurora 4x. You have complete control over a planet, and try to conquer the galaxy. It's 4x in that you eXpand, eXplore, eXploit, and eXterminate your way through the galaxy, but its also grand strategy in that you control EVERYTHING. You design every single ship, missile, gun-turret, and base, you hire, fire, promote, and demote officers, you set up and manage supply lines, etc... EU3 might as well be Hello Kitty Island Adventure compared to Aurora. comparing EU3 or any PI strategy games with Aurora is like comparing Starcraft with some moba game. Aurora itself is a great concept and very in-depth but it is not user friendly at all. UI needs to change if Aurora wants to win more strategy gamers heart. EU3 is not even a 4x game. its just pure grand strategy game. Company likes to call it "empire management sim" | ||
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