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Warpticon
Profile Joined December 2011
United States278 Posts
July 08 2012 02:08 GMT
#1841
Mamespider takes character love to a whole new level.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
July 08 2012 02:09 GMT
#1842
On July 08 2012 10:45 Warpticon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 10:26 TieN.nS) wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:22 VManOfMana wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:03 semantics wrote:
does it matter at the end of the day it's about raw numbers and evo can't compete in that regaurd in terms of unique users and hours watched of content per user. Ie ad rev potential.


At the end of the day Evo and FGC are not about ad revenue potential.


It's interesting how people coming from exclusively "eSports" perspective look at FGC events. For example, MLG's Dmaq compared Evo to slavery because of the small prize pools. This is not a league, it can barely be considered a business. All of these events happen because people in the community love the games.


This is one of the main disconnects that some people at the top of pro gaming leagues and such have with the fighting game community: not realizing that it is primarily a player based scene and that offering bigger payouts for 0.01% of the player base is a poor selling point to the other 99.99%. Bigger prizes is fine, fancy production value is fine, but that can't be your all you're selling.

Without large pay outs for 1st there is little reason to send a team to a tourny because then the prize wont even cover the cost of travel, in large part that's why you don't see Japanese players outside of evo just because it's not worth the cost of travel. So in the end like all pro things it's about money the more money going into these things the more the pay outs can be for like 1-5, which can be split between the teams if they have good enough people to take those spots.
Warpticon
Profile Joined December 2011
United States278 Posts
July 08 2012 02:11 GMT
#1843
On July 08 2012 11:09 semantics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 10:45 Warpticon wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:26 TieN.nS) wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:22 VManOfMana wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:03 semantics wrote:
does it matter at the end of the day it's about raw numbers and evo can't compete in that regaurd in terms of unique users and hours watched of content per user. Ie ad rev potential.


At the end of the day Evo and FGC are not about ad revenue potential.


It's interesting how people coming from exclusively "eSports" perspective look at FGC events. For example, MLG's Dmaq compared Evo to slavery because of the small prize pools. This is not a league, it can barely be considered a business. All of these events happen because people in the community love the games.


This is one of the main disconnects that some people at the top of pro gaming leagues and such have with the fighting game community: not realizing that it is primarily a player based scene and that offering bigger payouts for 0.01% of the player base is a poor selling point to the other 99.99%. Bigger prizes is fine, fancy production value is fine, but that can't be your all you're selling.

Without large pay outs for 1st there is little reason to send a team to a tourny because then the prize wont even cover the cost of travel, in large part that's why you don't see Japanese players outside of evo just because it's not worth the cost of travel. So in the end like all pro things it's about money the more money going into these things the more the pay outs can be for like 1-5, which can be split between the teams if they have good enough people to take those spots.


You do realize this has nothing to do with what I was talking about, right?
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
July 08 2012 02:12 GMT
#1844
Spider-Man Spider-Man! Haha. Japanese players are crazy. Love it.
Someone call down the Thunder?
Ognam
Profile Joined October 2011
United States798 Posts
July 08 2012 02:18 GMT
#1845
Yay Forward. He had the sickest Falco in Melee.
Warpticon
Profile Joined December 2011
United States278 Posts
July 08 2012 02:21 GMT
#1846
Afrocole up on daigo 1-0 in the ST Tournament of Legends http://www.twitch.tv/iebattlegrounds/
HPoirot
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1303 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 02:32:29
July 08 2012 02:25 GMT
#1847
The Champ vs. Flocker.

Viscant saying FUCK ZERO, running Vergil and no Phoenix.

And the hype dies in the fifth set. Zero lamest character.
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
July 08 2012 02:26 GMT
#1848
Holy shit flocker.
Warpticon
Profile Joined December 2011
United States278 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 02:28:22
July 08 2012 02:28 GMT
#1849
@nothingxs 10 mins
We almost have all of the brackets online for #EVO2K -- you can check them out on http://evo2012.s3.amazonaws.com/brackets/index.html as we update them!
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
July 08 2012 02:31 GMT
#1850
dat zero =[
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
July 08 2012 02:33 GMT
#1851
Lol zero and vergil
Looms
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4624 Posts
July 08 2012 02:42 GMT
#1852
hahaha that was awesome seeing Kusumondo and his son celebrate after beating DGV
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 02:44:40
July 08 2012 02:42 GMT
#1853
On July 08 2012 11:26 Shiragaku wrote:
Holy shit flocker.

I just feel dirty watching flocker play, but in the same instance it's against viscant... soo =p

On July 08 2012 11:11 Warpticon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 11:09 semantics wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:45 Warpticon wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:26 TieN.nS) wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:22 VManOfMana wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:03 semantics wrote:
does it matter at the end of the day it's about raw numbers and evo can't compete in that regaurd in terms of unique users and hours watched of content per user. Ie ad rev potential.


At the end of the day Evo and FGC are not about ad revenue potential.


It's interesting how people coming from exclusively "eSports" perspective look at FGC events. For example, MLG's Dmaq compared Evo to slavery because of the small prize pools. This is not a league, it can barely be considered a business. All of these events happen because people in the community love the games.


This is one of the main disconnects that some people at the top of pro gaming leagues and such have with the fighting game community: not realizing that it is primarily a player based scene and that offering bigger payouts for 0.01% of the player base is a poor selling point to the other 99.99%. Bigger prizes is fine, fancy production value is fine, but that can't be your all you're selling.

Without large pay outs for 1st there is little reason to send a team to a tourny because then the prize wont even cover the cost of travel, in large part that's why you don't see Japanese players outside of evo just because it's not worth the cost of travel. So in the end like all pro things it's about money the more money going into these things the more the pay outs can be for like 1-5, which can be split between the teams if they have good enough people to take those spots.


You do realize this has nothing to do with what I was talking about, right?

You do realize that if i quote you it doesn't mean i have to make a direct response to what you posted, anyways your remark is silly if you don't understand how competitive pro games work. All you have to do is look at traditional games, like basketball or football and then ask yourself why or how bigger prizes help grow a scene. If you don't understand admiration and emulation then you'll never understand how ads work on people nor will you understand how more money in a prize pool attracts more players to compete and thus more people to shine and attract others. Pro games is about money that's what makes it pro, money to players money to companies sponsoring events and players coming from envious/amazed viewers.
Warpticon
Profile Joined December 2011
United States278 Posts
July 08 2012 02:51 GMT
#1854
On July 08 2012 11:42 semantics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 11:26 Shiragaku wrote:
Holy shit flocker.

I just feel dirty watching flocker play, but in the same instance it's against viscant... soo =p

Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 11:11 Warpticon wrote:
On July 08 2012 11:09 semantics wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:45 Warpticon wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:26 TieN.nS) wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:22 VManOfMana wrote:
On July 08 2012 10:03 semantics wrote:
does it matter at the end of the day it's about raw numbers and evo can't compete in that regaurd in terms of unique users and hours watched of content per user. Ie ad rev potential.


At the end of the day Evo and FGC are not about ad revenue potential.


It's interesting how people coming from exclusively "eSports" perspective look at FGC events. For example, MLG's Dmaq compared Evo to slavery because of the small prize pools. This is not a league, it can barely be considered a business. All of these events happen because people in the community love the games.


This is one of the main disconnects that some people at the top of pro gaming leagues and such have with the fighting game community: not realizing that it is primarily a player based scene and that offering bigger payouts for 0.01% of the player base is a poor selling point to the other 99.99%. Bigger prizes is fine, fancy production value is fine, but that can't be your all you're selling.

Without large pay outs for 1st there is little reason to send a team to a tourny because then the prize wont even cover the cost of travel, in large part that's why you don't see Japanese players outside of evo just because it's not worth the cost of travel. So in the end like all pro things it's about money the more money going into these things the more the pay outs can be for like 1-5, which can be split between the teams if they have good enough people to take those spots.


You do realize this has nothing to do with what I was talking about, right?

You do realize that if i quote you it doesn't mean i have to make a direct response to what you posted


Okay, so why are you saying it, then?

As for the rest, you appear to have missed my point entirely.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
July 08 2012 02:53 GMT
#1855
How is something like Phoenix allowed in a competitive game? It's like giving an Odin to Terran if he survives the 15min mark.

Even if it can be "hard to get to dark phoenix," the fact it is an instant win in the hands of a competant player is bullshit. If something is hard to master, but if you master it you are unbeatable, then it is inevitable that when somebody masters it you break the game.

No wonder he doesn't lose.

/rage
hyptonic
Profile Joined June 2011
2155 Posts
July 08 2012 02:54 GMT
#1856
aww marlinpie is out
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
July 08 2012 02:55 GMT
#1857
Phnoeix was dumb shit in mvc3 but shes been nerfed and only a few people use her now...
Koenig99
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada904 Posts
July 08 2012 02:57 GMT
#1858
On July 08 2012 11:54 hyptonic wrote:
aww marlinpie is out


Who beat him?
ShoKakuUtena
Profile Joined May 2011
United States304 Posts
July 08 2012 02:57 GMT
#1859
Man Chris G's Morrigan/Doom Missiles vs. a Phoenix team...nah, will just wait for the next match. ChrisG can dismantle Phoenix easily anyway.
世界を革命する力を。
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 02:58:42
July 08 2012 02:57 GMT
#1860
On July 08 2012 11:53 On_Slaught wrote:
How is something like Phoenix allowed in a competitive game? It's like giving an Odin to Terran if he survives the 15min mark.

Even if it can be "hard to get to dark phoenix," the fact it is an instant win in the hands of a competant player is bullshit. If something is hard to master, but if you master it you are unbeatable, then it is inevitable that when somebody masters it you break the game.

No wonder he doesn't lose.

/rage

It's not like Mamespider blew him up at the FGTV house when he tried the exact same strategy, or that anti-Phoenx tech actually exists, or that FChamp actually stopped maining his Phoenix team because he claimed it wasn't worth the hassle. And it's not like DP was deliberately nerfed because it was even worse last year. Go whine about Chris G's Soul Fist spam + Hidden Missiles, or how Zero can kill any character off one touch.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
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