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semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
July 08 2012 00:46 GMT
#1801
man knocked fanatiq to losers.
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
July 08 2012 00:46 GMT
#1802
BEYONFREE
Fan of the Jangbanger
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
July 08 2012 00:47 GMT
#1803
stay freenatiq
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
July 08 2012 00:48 GMT
#1804
It's time for Cho! Come on Japan.
Monocle
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1509 Posts
July 08 2012 00:51 GMT
#1805
Evo is awesome. I know almost nothing about fighting games but they're so fun to watch.
VManOfMana
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States764 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 00:55:40
July 08 2012 00:52 GMT
#1806
The point is that unlike Starcraft events, most people in fighting game tournaments, Evo included, are players who go to compete and play games in one way or another, rather than spectate. Even if a player is eliminated from their only tournament right away, there are casuals, side tournaments, and money matches happening the whole weekend. Even if you know you will get bodied, you go to compete, do the best you can, and become a better player.

The spectator-only crowd is very new to the FGC, to the point that "stream monsters" are not even considered to be real members of thr FGC. The main requirement to be a member if the community is to play the game, not watch. And players who do not play in some competitive form are generally looked down upon.

In fact, "stream monster" originally is a derogatory term. It was first applied to stream trolls that contributed nothing by not playing, yet polluted the stream chats with offensive and troll language. Therefore, the term implies "dead weight".
Woo Jung Ho, FIGHTING! | "With the death of BW comes the death of an idea. And that idea, held by many BW fans, was that a computer game could actually outlive the Next New Game cycle. And to some extent it did." -Falling
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
July 08 2012 00:55 GMT
#1807
yair baby. woke up in time for the QF
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
July 08 2012 00:57 GMT
#1808
On July 08 2012 09:52 VManOfMana wrote:
The point is that unlike Starcraft events, most people in fighting game tournaments, Evo included, are players who go to compete and play games in one way or another, rather than spectate. Even if a player is eliminated from their only tournament right away, there are casuals, side tournaments, and money matches happening the whole weekend. Even if you know you will get bodied, you go to compete, do the best you can, and become a better player.

The spectator-only crowd is very new to the FGC, to the point that "stream monsters" are not even considered to be real members of thr FGC. The main requirement to be a member if the community is to play the game, not watch. And players who do not play in some competitive form are generally looked down upon.

In fact, "stream monster" originally is a derogatory term. It was first applied to stream trolls that contributed nothing by not playing, yet polluted the stream chats with offensive and troll language. Therefore, the term implies "dead weight".


that is very interesting, i have been watching FGC for about 4 years and never really picked up the games until mvc3 and ssf4...both with which i completely suck at lol
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Warpticon
Profile Joined December 2011
United States278 Posts
July 08 2012 01:01 GMT
#1809
On July 08 2012 09:52 VManOfMana wrote:
The point is that unlike Starcraft events, most people in fighting game tournaments, Evo included, are players who go to compete and play games in one way or another, rather than spectate. Even if a player is eliminated from their only tournament right away, there are casuals, side tournaments, and money matches happening the whole weekend. Even if you know you will get bodied, you go to compete, do the best you can, and become a better player.

The spectator-only crowd is very new to the FGC, to the point that "stream monsters" are not even considered to be real members of thr FGC. The main requirement to be a member if the community is to play the game, not watch. And players who do not play in some competitive form are generally looked down upon.

In fact, "stream monster" originally is a derogatory term. It was first applied to stream trolls that contributed nothing by not playing, yet polluted the stream chats with offensive and troll language. Therefore, the term implies "dead weight".


Not entirely. The term stream monster came from a Team Spooky stream and was coined by Javits with Sabin assist to basically imply a stream variant on "pot monster." Where a pot monster is someone who donates to the pot but has no real chance of winning, a stream monster would be someone who watches but doesn't go to tournaments or play. Then Art, being Art, basically adopted it to mean just "people watching the stream" through constant usages. It was not really conceived as an insult for trolls, or even a serious insult, though.
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 01:03:08
July 08 2012 01:02 GMT
#1810
One day we're going to have a sudden moment of clarity, and realize that we've all become the stream monsters.

You can kind of feel the SC2 live report atmosphere seeping in sometimes.
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
July 08 2012 01:02 GMT
#1811
On July 08 2012 09:52 VManOfMana wrote:
The point is that unlike Starcraft events, most people in fighting game tournaments, Evo included, are players who go to compete and play games in one way or another, rather than spectate. Even if a player is eliminated from their only tournament right away, there are casuals, side tournaments, and money matches happening the whole weekend. Even if you know you will get bodied, you go to compete, do the best you can, and become a better player.

The spectator-only crowd is very new to the FGC, to the point that "stream monsters" are not even considered to be real members of thr FGC. The main requirement to be a member if the community is to play the game, not watch. And players who do not play in some competitive form are generally looked down upon.

In fact, "stream monster" originally is a derogatory term. It was first applied to stream trolls that contributed nothing by not playing, yet polluted the stream chats with offensive and troll language. Therefore, the term implies "dead weight".


Everything you said is correct, but it doesn't answer the original question. "do the people who watch not really play the games". It doesn't ask about competitors vs not competitors, and it doesn't exclusivity ask about the crowd. So I stand by what i said. Of the people watching now, a smaller percentage of them play umvc3 than starcraft viewers play starcaft.
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 08 2012 01:03 GMT
#1812
TIL: I'm what is known as a pot monster rofl.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
July 08 2012 01:03 GMT
#1813
does it matter at the end of the day it's about raw numbers and evo can't compete in that regaurd in terms of unique users and hours watched of content per user. Ie ad rev potential.
CrappyHippo
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada275 Posts
July 08 2012 01:03 GMT
#1814
I thought this is a sc2 tournament lol.
Everlasting Starcraft
Warpticon
Profile Joined December 2011
United States278 Posts
July 08 2012 01:03 GMT
#1815
Challonge bracket for the ST Tournament of Legends: http://strevival.challonge.com/tournamentoflegends
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
July 08 2012 01:05 GMT
#1816
On July 08 2012 10:03 semantics wrote:
does it matter at the end of the day it's about raw numbers and evo can't compete in that regaurd in terms of unique users and hours watched of content per user. Ie ad rev potential.

Well, the FGC doesn't need money as much as it needs people.

I mean, I can't tell you what the prize pool is for Evo, but I definitely know what it is for MLG or TSL.
Warpticon
Profile Joined December 2011
United States278 Posts
July 08 2012 01:10 GMT
#1817
http://www.twitch.tv/iebattlegrounds

Looking over the brackets, if Daigo wins his first match and Choi wins his next, we'll have a Daigo vs Choi matchup.
Enchanted
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1609 Posts
July 08 2012 01:18 GMT
#1818
It's time to separate the men from the boys !
instantnoodles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States190 Posts
July 08 2012 01:21 GMT
#1819
i like videos like that. wish i was there
VManOfMana
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States764 Posts
July 08 2012 01:22 GMT
#1820
On July 08 2012 10:01 Warpticon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 09:52 VManOfMana wrote:
The point is that unlike Starcraft events, most people in fighting game tournaments, Evo included, are players who go to compete and play games in one way or another, rather than spectate. Even if a player is eliminated from their only tournament right away, there are casuals, side tournaments, and money matches happening the whole weekend. Even if you know you will get bodied, you go to compete, do the best you can, and become a better player.

The spectator-only crowd is very new to the FGC, to the point that "stream monsters" are not even considered to be real members of thr FGC. The main requirement to be a member if the community is to play the game, not watch. And players who do not play in some competitive form are generally looked down upon.

In fact, "stream monster" originally is a derogatory term. It was first applied to stream trolls that contributed nothing by not playing, yet polluted the stream chats with offensive and troll language. Therefore, the term implies "dead weight".


Not entirely. The term stream monster came from a Team Spooky stream and was coined by Javits with Sabin assist to basically imply a stream variant on "pot monster." Where a pot monster is someone who donates to the pot but has no real chance of winning, a stream monster would be someone who watches but doesn't go to tournaments or play. Then Art, being Art, basically adopted it to mean just "people watching the stream" through constant usages. It was not really conceived as an insult for trolls, or even a serious insult, though.


Interesting. Your explanation makes more sense given the laid back attitude of Team Spooky, but I have heard to "troll" version of the story more than once in tournament streams.
Woo Jung Ho, FIGHTING! | "With the death of BW comes the death of an idea. And that idea, held by many BW fans, was that a computer game could actually outlive the Next New Game cycle. And to some extent it did." -Falling
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