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kochujang
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1226 Posts
October 02 2012 14:34 GMT
#181
Can't wait! Only 10 days left now (shush you american bastards).
jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-02 15:24:30
October 02 2012 15:23 GMT
#182
It's not their fault kochujang. Everyone knows it takes longer for data to cross the oceans.

edit - forgot to say I'm really excited to play this game. I've been watching the LP of the original that someone posted here getting ready for it. I'll have to do a playthrough myself sometime soon too.
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
October 02 2012 16:30 GMT
#183
just so everyone knows i'm planning to do a 12 hour stream of either a classic or nightmare ironman run on release.. i've beaten ufo defense and TFTD like dozens of times, can't wait for this game to come outttt! i love the lead dev too, he's actually really personable and seems to know what he's talking about(unlike dustin balder). here's to hoping it's awesome!
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-02 16:40:40
October 02 2012 16:40 GMT
#184
One question to know wether it deserves the name "X-Com" or not:
Does it have chryssalids or comparable units?



kochujang
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1226 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-02 16:48:20
October 02 2012 16:46 GMT
#185
On October 03 2012 01:40 Morfildur wrote:
One question to know wether it deserves the name "X-Com" or not:
Does it have chryssalids or comparable units?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrAspdYchGo#t=538s


The chryssalid looks quite different now. I was skeptic at first, until I saw the hatching animation. Pretty terrifying stuff. Did you know they can jump several storeys to high to reach your soldiers now?
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10139 Posts
October 02 2012 17:18 GMT
#186
On October 03 2012 01:40 Morfildur wrote:
One question to know wether it deserves the name "X-Com" or not:
Does it have chryssalids or comparable units?


Of course it does. The only things i hadn't seen was Snakesman, Reapers and Ethereals right now. Hope Reapers are gone for good, useless shit, and the close combat mutton should get rid of it's role to be honest.
kochujang
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1226 Posts
October 02 2012 17:23 GMT
#187
I have heard that the Silacoid has been scrapped. If you were a big fan of that alien, steer away!!
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
October 02 2012 17:25 GMT
#188
On October 03 2012 02:18 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 01:40 Morfildur wrote:
One question to know wether it deserves the name "X-Com" or not:
Does it have chryssalids or comparable units?


Of course it does. The only things i hadn't seen was Snakesman, Reapers and Ethereals right now. Hope Reapers are gone for good, useless shit, and the close combat mutton should get rid of it's role to be honest.

Ethereals are definitely in, but I haven't seen Reapers either.

minor spoilers
+ Show Spoiler +
Thinmen are the reimagined Snakemen.
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Random()
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
October 02 2012 17:34 GMT
#189
On October 03 2012 01:30 Endymion wrote:
just so everyone knows i'm planning to do a 12 hour stream of either a classic or nightmare ironman run on release.. i've beaten ufo defense and TFTD like dozens of times, can't wait for this game to come outttt! i love the lead dev too, he's actually really personable and seems to know what he's talking about(unlike dustin balder). here's to hoping it's awesome!


You have really beaten TFTD dozens of times? If so, then I envy your patience :-) Those ship missions are sooo long and repetitive.
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-02 17:55:48
October 02 2012 17:50 GMT
#190
On October 03 2012 02:34 Random() wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 01:30 Endymion wrote:
just so everyone knows i'm planning to do a 12 hour stream of either a classic or nightmare ironman run on release.. i've beaten ufo defense and TFTD like dozens of times, can't wait for this game to come outttt! i love the lead dev too, he's actually really personable and seems to know what he's talking about(unlike dustin balder). here's to hoping it's awesome!


You have really beaten TFTD dozens of times? If so, then I envy your patience :-) Those ship missions are sooo long and repetitive.


it's certainly been a trial of spirit... i'm a master of ship terror missions though, the navy basically hired me as a consultant because i can run through them so quickly!

joking aside, that's one of the things i'm looking forward to with this reboot.. the game is much more streamlined in terms of having 6 soldiers instead of like 20, i feel like the game will be just as tense just a lot "faster" paced.. plus there will be a muchh closer connection to each soldier because of the customization levels and class system.

one concern i have is that the aliens are going to fall off in terms of usefulness like floaters did in the original.. i.e. you won't see them past the first 1/3 of the game. That's the vibe i get from the dev team regarding sectoids, that they'll be replaced by mutons (unlike in the original where they became badass with psi skills right before ethereals started touching down on earth).
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
Random()
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
October 02 2012 18:00 GMT
#191
On October 02 2012 21:24 zocktol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 20:08 Arevall wrote:

If we by "dumbing down" mean making the game less complicated, with less tactical decisions I can without playing the game name a few key points:

TUs exchanged for 2-stage choice of walking/shooting and sprinting.
They could at least made it somewhere in between, like a hybrid of the system in Silent storm which displays TU-cost and removing some weapon modes making it easy to use.

Large squads of 14+ soldiers exchanged for 4-5 soldiers.
This might be the big one, since the game needs to be balanced for playing a small squad this basically affects everything in the game. Larger squads allow grander strategy instead of just small squad tactics. It also allows for far worse soldiers, strength in numbers kind-of-thing that I don't see that often in games.

Friendly fire
I have not seen anyone blasting squadmates with explosives, but from what I've seen you can shoot through them.

From multiple bases to one.
Of course this is making it simpler, thus dumbing it down. Although I don't know anything about how the new geoscape will work with regard to fighting UFOs and stuff like that.



OK let me address these points, because i do not think it is made easier.

Looking at TUs in comparison to only 2 moves(which can be varied by abilities of soldiers) does not in fact make it simpler i think. The amount of TUs in my opinion made it easier, because you could move through a door, shoot an alien and move out(assuming the alien does not react). You can slowly inch forward and do not have to commit to anything that is not safe.

Smaller squads but a lot higher emphasis on a single soldier. I for one played the first x-com with around 14 soldiers, 6 of these mattered to me. The other 8 were just cannon fodder which was supposed to walk around, scout and die. For this makes it harder to decide, which move is the correct move, because if i make a mistake and Sgt. Fuzzy Boots, whom i carried around since the first mission, dies, i am royally screwed. This to me seems not easier but actually harder than the original.

I have no idea about friendly fire, but that is only a minor point in my eyes.

The fact that you only have one base, which you have to develop (you can station interceptors in bases on every continent) does not make it dumber just because it is easier. The decision where you place your first base, matters so much more because of the initial bonus that base will give you(e.g Europe cheaper Sci and Eng, US cheaper air force, Asia better future warfare).

I for one think saying it is simpler thus making it dumber, is just flawed logic. No one would say that chess is a dumb game, even though it is simple.

Btw. anyone on TL interested in playing Multiplayer once the game is out?


I think it is too early to tell if the game has or has not been dumbed down.

The changes that I personally hate the most are the lack of in-combat inventory management, because this functionality allows to have cool "clutch" moments (being able to pick up loaded weapons/ammo, carrying unconscious soldiers or aliens to the craft to abort and save them, etc.). I really don't like this simplification and I don't see how it is not making the game more straightforward (which is what I think the phrase "dumbing down" implies). But fuck this, maybe the new special ability system will somehow replace this.

What I really hate is no map randomization/really destructible environments. And this is due to tech limitations (afaik Unreal Engine depends heavily on the concept of a static "map"). How ridiculous is that, huh? Today's tech can't achieve what was somehow possible 20 years ago with like 500 000 times less computational power? Or maybe it's just that the engine choice was not appropriate? How come ten years ago this was possible:





but not today? Grrrr...

Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10139 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-02 18:08:53
October 02 2012 18:08 GMT
#192
On October 03 2012 02:50 Endymion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 02:34 Random() wrote:
On October 03 2012 01:30 Endymion wrote:
just so everyone knows i'm planning to do a 12 hour stream of either a classic or nightmare ironman run on release.. i've beaten ufo defense and TFTD like dozens of times, can't wait for this game to come outttt! i love the lead dev too, he's actually really personable and seems to know what he's talking about(unlike dustin balder). here's to hoping it's awesome!


You have really beaten TFTD dozens of times? If so, then I envy your patience :-) Those ship missions are sooo long and repetitive.


it's certainly been a trial of spirit... i'm a master of ship terror missions though, the navy basically hired me as a consultant because i can run through them so quickly!

joking aside, that's one of the things i'm looking forward to with this reboot.. the game is much more streamlined in terms of having 6 soldiers instead of like 20, i feel like the game will be just as tense just a lot "faster" paced.. plus there will be a muchh closer connection to each soldier because of the customization levels and class system.

one concern i have is that the aliens are going to fall off in terms of usefulness like floaters did in the original.. i.e. you won't see them past the first 1/3 of the game. That's the vibe i get from the dev team regarding sectoids, that they'll be replaced by mutons (unlike in the original where they became badass with psi skills right before ethereals started touching down on earth).


+ Show Spoiler +
There are two types of floaters. Regular Floaters and Heavy floaters. Pretty sure they thought about it, but who knows. I saw a "midgame" with heavy floaters, and Greg getting buttraped by chrysalids haha.


So i guess you will start to stream on 9 ? Will you go for singleplayer or multiplayer at first ? Poor Europeans guys like me will need their X-COM fix baby! ;p
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
October 02 2012 18:13 GMT
#193
On October 03 2012 03:08 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 02:50 Endymion wrote:
On October 03 2012 02:34 Random() wrote:
On October 03 2012 01:30 Endymion wrote:
just so everyone knows i'm planning to do a 12 hour stream of either a classic or nightmare ironman run on release.. i've beaten ufo defense and TFTD like dozens of times, can't wait for this game to come outttt! i love the lead dev too, he's actually really personable and seems to know what he's talking about(unlike dustin balder). here's to hoping it's awesome!


You have really beaten TFTD dozens of times? If so, then I envy your patience :-) Those ship missions are sooo long and repetitive.


it's certainly been a trial of spirit... i'm a master of ship terror missions though, the navy basically hired me as a consultant because i can run through them so quickly!

joking aside, that's one of the things i'm looking forward to with this reboot.. the game is much more streamlined in terms of having 6 soldiers instead of like 20, i feel like the game will be just as tense just a lot "faster" paced.. plus there will be a muchh closer connection to each soldier because of the customization levels and class system.

one concern i have is that the aliens are going to fall off in terms of usefulness like floaters did in the original.. i.e. you won't see them past the first 1/3 of the game. That's the vibe i get from the dev team regarding sectoids, that they'll be replaced by mutons (unlike in the original where they became badass with psi skills right before ethereals started touching down on earth).


+ Show Spoiler +
There are two types of floaters. Regular Floaters and Heavy floaters. Pretty sure they thought about it, but who knows. I saw a "midgame" with heavy floaters, and Greg getting buttraped by chrysalids haha.


So i guess you will start to stream on 9 ? Will you go for singleplayer or multiplayer at first ? Poor Europeans guys like me will need their X-COM fix baby! ;p


well it's good to know that there are more aliens then I expected, I really don't know much about this reboot except for a few gameplay vids so it should be an interesting time! i'll be starting my stream around 4pm MNT (GMT - 6:00), going till around 4am. i'll be doing a single player classic difficulty ironman run
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
ToT)OjKa(
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)2437 Posts
October 02 2012 21:30 GMT
#194
I'm actually going through TFTD now.

Anyone know how much Zrbite I need to manufacture the Leviathan? Although it doesn't state it needs it to manufacture (only for fuel) it won't allow me to put any technicians on it :[
OjKa OjKa OjKa!
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
October 02 2012 21:53 GMT
#195
I started to replay X-Com Ufo Defense on "Superhuman" without saving (except at end of session), naming all my Soldiers after LoL champions depending on their stats and in 8 missions i already lost all my favourite champions. Naming the soldiers makes you even more afraid of losing them than using default names.
When i saw my best shot Caitlyn get a plasma projectile into the back and fall down, i was close to Alt+F4 and end that game for good.
Luckily she just got wounded and got promoted to Captain since the former Captain Xin Zhao died just a turn later when he turned around a corner into 2 Sectoids and his two auto attacks at 3 tiles distance managed to miss both of them and even his tankyness couldn't keep him alive against 2 plasma rifles pointed at his guts.

I'm thinking about making a LoL vs DotA2 run. Half the soldiers are named after LoL champions, the other after DotA2 heroes. The half with the most kills at the end of the game (win or lose) wins the contest for the better MOBA :p

I pre-ordered the new X-Com now. Since it has Chrysalids it has a chance of being the relentless soldier-slaughtering game an X-Com title has to be.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10139 Posts
October 03 2012 13:24 GMT
#196
Interesting video.

http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/xcom-enemy-unknown/1226273p1.html
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
October 03 2012 13:39 GMT
#197
Just reading the descriptions, this game sounds more like Valkyrie Chronicles rather than X-Com. I enjoyed both though I liked the old X-Com style better.
Jalle
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden149 Posts
October 04 2012 01:21 GMT
#198
I think XCOM looks great and you can tell the developers are having a blast playing it. But what I really miss is the creepy and atmospheric soundtrack that permeates the old games. A few examples for everyone who hasn't hade the privilege of playing the classic X-COM games:




Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10139 Posts
October 04 2012 02:38 GMT
#199
Jake (lead designer) undercover


TomatoShark
Profile Joined August 2011
United States288 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-04 02:52:46
October 04 2012 02:52 GMT
#200
fine folk of glen burnie right there . prob going to preorder
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