On April 04 2012 03:32 discomatt wrote: Has anyone here against this been to a Video Game Convention? "Booth babes" might as well be naked. They're paid to be there, smiling while being gawked at and touched by basement-dwellers and socially inept people, many of which reek of puberty or excessive Axe body spray.
At least porn stars are enjoying what they're doing.
Sex is involved with video games, even more now than ever. SO many games have implied sex scenes, some incredibly obvious. The God of War series seems to make a point to have on in every release.
well being sexy and having little amount of clothing on is bit differend than having 2 cocks in ur ass.
The Starcraft 2 community has higher standards than the FGC, that's a given. And with higher standards things like Brazzers sponsoring anything Starcraft related (at the very least alongside major sponsors) is just out of the question..
On April 04 2012 03:32 discomatt wrote: Has anyone here against this been to a Video Game Convention? "Booth babes" might as well be naked. They're paid to be there, smiling while being gawked at and touched by basement-dwellers and socially inept people, many of which reek of puberty or excessive Axe body spray.
At least porn stars are enjoying what they're doing.
Sex is involved with video games, even more now than ever. SO many games have implied sex scenes, some incredibly obvious. The God of War series seems to make a point to have on in every release.
well imo being sexy and having little amount of clothing on is bit differend than having 2 cocks in ur ass.
That might have been a bad sentence to put an "imo" in.
I don't have any problem with porn trying to more mainstream. We're trying to do it too.
tons of people watch porn, even your mom probably does. we've come a long way since the 60s I don't think brazzers would hurt anything really, maybe make a few people butt hurt but that's about it. The only hurtful thing I can think of are other sponsors interests, for instance Razer might not want to sponsor EG if EG gets brazzers as their sponsor. But that will happen anyways with other sponsors, Razer might not want Logitech sponsoring EG for obvious reasons. So if teams are approached by any sponsor, they need to ok it with the other ones, I assume this is how it's done normally.
I mean are we going to start getting picky who supports our games? What if your parents don't like the fact that MLG sponsors energy drinks because they are banned in your house? Is that really going to stop you from watching it? I doubt viewer numbers will decrease by much if a company like brazzers hosts a tournament or sponsors one.
I'd love it if beer companies sponsored SC2 tournaments and maybe that's bad for our game? both are legal.
On April 04 2012 03:56 Leth0 wrote: You think capcom wants a porn industry throwing a tournament for their game? It's not going to happen. People value their own opinions to much, just because YOU have no taste and think this is a good place for it doesn't mean the people with the money or the initiative to actually make things happen do.
Capcom does not care about the FGC esports-wise. They refuse to even talk with MLG and MVC3 has been unplayable online for a year and they've done nothing to fix it.
If we can be sponsored by alcohol companies, why are porn companies different. People are too uptight and need to get off their high horses. THIS NONSENSE that most of you are posting against this, disgusts me as much as the teacher who was fired for performing in her past, its called predjudice. A lot of you need to grow up i think.
How simple minded do you have to be to think that "Well, people do watch porn, and masturbate, I don't see the problem with bringing this to our venue"
Like I said before, there is a time and place for everything, and video game competitions are not the place to promote pornography. It would be like going to bath and body works for a pizza, it doesn't make any sense.
If you are going to tell people to grow up you should probably know how to spell "prejudice' correctly. Using it correctly would also be a plus, it's not prejudice to not want to be associated with a porn site, when you are trying to throw a tournament for video games.....You should actually grow up yourself.
On April 04 2012 01:41 vOdToasT wrote: The fighting game scene is a huge disgusting joke, lol. Try being a woman in it, or even worse, a transsexual, and you will get treated like absolute trash.
How is this any different from people treating kellymilkies like shit for casting the gsl? or the objectifying of anny prosser or rachael when they do interviews on the big stage? Even things like the reception of Slayers eve and the discussion about female only online tournaments.
There are several competitive fighting game players that are openly gay, and doesn't get shit about it.
As a somewhat competitive fighting game player and follower of starcraft, they each have their own issues, but they are both equally bad. As for the sponsorship itself, how is this any different from companies like intel/razer having booth babes walking with the player out to the big stage at iem? Also the fact that at pretty much all big tech conventions, E3, pax etc. most companies have booth babes to attract people to their stuff, sex sells, it's as simple as that.
Karaface is a transendered photographer in the FGC and she's doing fine. Ricky Ortiz is gay and is one of the most respected players in the scene because he's good. The SC 2 community is coming from such a high horse they may kill esports if they ever fell off. Brazzers isn't a big deal regardless because tourneys can just not show the logos or any hints of brazzers on their stream or venue.
People who think this is great need to think a little harder. There is no quicker way to get every mainstream self respecting company to run in the opposite direction of you as endorsing a porn site. "but lijoe isn't endorsing it he is just wearing a shirt with their logo so he can get a plane ticket from them" Sorry, sponsorship is a two way street. The sponsor gives you money in turn for your endorsement. Endorsing a porn site is the fast lane to main stream media destroying you. Gaming already has plenty of negative stigmas associated with it, now the FGC think that adding all the negative stigma's associated with porn on top of that is a good idea? lol. Talk about self destruction.
On April 04 2012 03:26 StarBrift wrote: When stuff like this happens I wish that allt he progressives and rational thinkers in this world could get on a huge space craft and just go live on another planet. The only reason this is a problem is that backwards minded people arbitrarily associates porn (or to a lesser extent sex) with bad morality.
There is nothing morally wrong with Brazzers buisness. They produce a form of entertainment that is consumed by a great ammount of people over the world. They are not a skeevy site that deals in trafficing or forces women into starring in their movies. If you want to make an argument that they are portraying women in a bad light then sure make that argument, but some people will make the argument that porn empowers women. I'm not going to go into that huge debate right now though.
Now I don't personally get off on main stream porn like what Brazzers do. It's just evident to me that the women in the movies are mostly not enjoying what's being done to them (as in they wouldn't have sex like that in their private life). That being said, porn is not bad in itself. It is an industry that provides pleasure by showing consensual sex between adults (if done legally). If one looks at that and says "well gosh darn that is immoral", that person is illogical and wrong.
Having young kids watch porn is something I think we can all agree on is immoral becuase they are too young to understand what is real and not. But I don't think its up to all of society to shield kids from porn at any cost. Any sensible parent will have his kids computer blocking porn sites and as long as no actual sex is going on in public that child should be old enough to understand what porn is when he/she is first exposed to it. I also don't see how a Brazzers logo on someones shirt is going to expose a child to porn.
So the corporations shy away from asociating with porn because they are afraid of the backlash it might have on their own buisness. That backlash is built on a vast majority of people being idiots. There is no nicer way to say it. Thinking that porn is immoral without taking a look at the facts or even distinguishing between different kinds of porn is simply stupid. Apparently a large enough ammount of these companies customers are this misinformed and thus we have to endure this stupidity.
This is why when I say I want to go far away from this planet I'm wishing it because of the events or sponsors that make these decisions. I'm wishing it because of the immense stupidity of ordinary people in our world and their inability to educate themselves on very basic subjects.
That's all cool, but remember you're from Sweden. And the way of thinking in your country differs dramatically from say, people in America. Here in America, just like anywhere else, there are curious double standards. Explicit violence is fine, but sex aired on primetime TV is a no-no(until a certain late time period).
Think about all the things that the US considers "scandals" but are tame when viewed by Europeans. The key here is not trying to change people/cultures/regional differences, but simply acknowledging that these differences do exist, and we have to just work with it.
So if a BRAZZERS advertises with just a mugshot of one of their actresses(let's say oh, Aletta Ocean) alongside a Starcraft 2 tourney. In Europe people might see that, recognize it, but not necessarily put two-and-two together and automatically think it's a bad thing. They'll probably just see it as "oh, that's Brazzers advertising...oh this video game SC2 has a tourney for $$, cool"
But here in America? No man. People will have a double standard. They'll see Aletta Ocean, know that she's a porn star, and then they'll think "so now video games are mixing with porn? forget it, this is why video gamers are pathetic". That's just how it is.
Not to say that BRAZZERS couldn't make headway into the video industry. I think they can, actually. But not for SC2. For Street Fighter and fighting game tourneys...I could see it happen. It's because it's due to an entirely different sub-culture and arguably completely different audience that fighting games draw in.
In theory it would be cool. But considering all the companies that wouldn't want to be associated with someone being sponsered by a porn company would potentially be a bad thing. Lets say a whole team goes to MLG or IPL with the brazzers logo or the name on the shirts they wear. Now what do you think the tournament sponsers are going to say about the whole thing. They will probably come out with a statement or fear what people will think of them sponsering a tournament for people who are sponsered by such things. I think if Brazzers was to make some kind of esports company and not be directly affiliated with the actual porn company, things would be a little different. But overall I feel it wouldn't be as good as some people might think.
If all of SC2 viewers were above 18 I wouldn't mind this whatsoever. Even though pretending most teens nowadays don't watch porn is ludicrous there are still some morals that need to be respected.
On April 04 2012 02:16 chestnutcc wrote: Jokes aside, terrible idea, there are many underage pro gamers and spectators at sc2 events, and this would be really bad for publicity. Don't get me wrong, I like me some porn, but its just not appropriate to have them sponsoring an activity that is not age restricted for the most part, and that actively needs more participation.
Imagine DJWheat trying to explain that to miniwheat? Or Day[9] rationalizing this to his increasingly mainstream clientele?
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