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On April 04 2012 02:30 Hrrrrm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 02:16 chestnutcc wrote:
Jokes aside, terrible idea, there are many underage pro gamers and spectators at sc2 events, and this would be really bad for publicity. Don't get me wrong, I like me some porn, but its just not appropriate to have them sponsoring an activity that is not age restricted for the most part, and that actively needs more participation.
Imagine DJWheat trying to explain that to miniwheat? Or Day[9] rationalizing this to his increasingly mainstream clientele? You think little kids are going around asking mommy and daddy what the sponsors sell or their message? It's as simple as saying it's a company that sells adult products and that's it. You don't have to go into specifics of "videos of women getting gangbanged by guys with monster penises in HD". God forbid Trojan or Durex might want to sponsor a mainly male community and you'd have to explain to your child that it's a product to prevent pregnancies and STD's when you start having sex. At the end of the day it's all about the demographic that MLG and other tournaments want to draw. Are the <16 crowd large enough to start telling "adult" sponsors, no thanks? That's a question they will soon have to ask themselves if this Brazzers thing moves forward. Either way it'll be interesting to see if Brazzers tries to do anything themselves as far as tournaments go. I do believe it'll be insanely popular.
Their parents will just never send them in the first place. There are many stigmas associated with the porn industry and since none of us know much about it, lets not discuss it. A condom company is not the same thing at all, most children are probably familiar with the concept through school anyway. Porn comes with a culture that no body wants to willingly introduce their children to. The sociological reasons behind this are irrelevant, its just bad business for gaming to accept them as sponsors.
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On April 04 2012 02:31 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 02:30 chestnutcc wrote:On April 04 2012 02:28 Derez wrote:
So porn sponsors are bad but companies producing the unhealthiest drinks on the planet are fine?
If brazzers wanted to sponsor an SC2 team or players, I would have no issue with it at all. All you'll see is a player with a shirt with a brazzers logo on it. To be fair, Brazzers has its own brand of unhealthy drink. A good protein shake never killed anyone.
Research shows high amounts of steroids, narcotics and other pharmeceutical content.
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On April 04 2012 02:36 imMUTAble787 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 01:41 vOdToasT wrote:
The fighting game scene is a huge disgusting joke, lol. Try being a woman in it, or even worse, a transsexual, and you will get treated like absolute trash.
Which makes it funny that they would ban any logos of Brazzers on their stream. Really, porn isn´t ok, but all the other shit that goes on in the fighting game community is... Yeah... like Kayo, Ricky Ortiz, Karaface, etc. right ? People like you that operate off of second hand information and play the equivalent of telephone with bits and pieces of this or that story should get off of the internet. You're doing the equivalent of projecting the actions of isolated incidents onto an entire community. Is esports made up of nothing but racists that hurl slurs at each other in every game ? Does the esports community all photoshop and harass female players that get signed to prestigious teams ? Does the esports community not support female only tournaments ? If you live in a glass house you shouldn't be hurling boulders.
By second hand information, do you mean someone who was directly involved telling me about it, or someone telling someone else who tells me? Because it is the former. She played fighting games basically for a living for a few years, and witnessed tournaments getting rigged (having someone in the audience throw a shoe at one of the players, for example), fangirls getting drugged up and "used" in hotel rooms, and was treated like crap herself, by many. There was even a response by some community members to the "streaming incident" that said sexual harassment is part of the fighting game community.
Of course not everyone who is part of it is an asshole, but on average the community is much worse.
I used to wonder why she quit playing, since she likes the games, was good, and made money. Now I understand why.
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imagine this, if Brazzers sponsored MLG Leenock wouldnt be allowed to go
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I think IPL needs to get on this for their Vegas events.
Vegas + Brazzers = good time. ;P
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On April 04 2012 02:16 Thinasy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 02:15 Forikorder wrote:On April 04 2012 02:14 Thinasy wrote:On April 04 2012 02:00 Waterflow wrote:
The porn industry should stay the f*@# away from eSports. The eSport scene would get so much shit that it would actually be damaging. Which is kinda sad isnt it. The porn industry is huge yet it's shunned upon, it must be huge for a reason? But people act like they've never watched anything porn related. Also everytime porn is brought up as a topic everyone just blindly agrees that it's gross etc. Seriously people should really grow up, let people work with whatver they want to, from what I can see porn isn't illegal in most countries that I know of atleast. people dont say its gross aside from uptite parents the reason its shunned is so that kids arent watching it Most people I know atleast try to hide the fact that they've watched it. But oh well okey then. Define age of these kids?
Maybe things are different in Sweden but I find that here everyone openly admits to watching porn and a lot of people talk about masturbation O.o
Even when kids are like 13 we ask stupid questions to each other "Where do you do it" LOL sounds kind of disturbing
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On April 04 2012 02:40 Forikorder wrote:
imagine this, if Brazzers sponsored MLG Leenock wouldnt be allowed to go
I don't see how sponsorship deals affect who can attend events. He wouldn't be legally allowed if they were showing porn, but that wouldn't be the case. Just like how there's plenty of brewers sponsoring (sporting) events attended by people that aren't allowed to drink.
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LI Joe is endorser not the event itself. So if he wants to wear a Brazzer's shirt, have a porn star carry his bags, and rock a BRZ tag in front of his name: that's as far as it goes. There really isn't anything past that just like all the other sponsored players.
People will complain, be upset, and at the end of the day have 2gigs of Brazzers on their hard drives anyway.
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On April 04 2012 02:42 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 02:40 Forikorder wrote:
imagine this, if Brazzers sponsored MLG Leenock wouldnt be allowed to go I don't see how sponsorship deals affect who can attend events. He wouldn't be legally allowed if they were showing porn, but that wouldn't be the case. Just like how there's plenty of brewers sponsoring (sporting) events attended by people that aren't allowed to drink.
Pretty sure sponshorship by Brazzers doesn't equal doing a porn movie with them?
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I really don't see the big deal. It's a smart sponsorship. The FGC is almost entirely male. All males watch porn... There is undoubtedly money to be made.
And all those people saying big sponsors won't associate themselves with porn.. You guys realize the FGC has no "big sponsors" and Capcom is an abysmal company so there was never any hope for big sponsors. I think this is actually kind of cool.
People getting so bent out of shape from a simple sponsorship, when almost ALL of us watch porn regularly. And you really think a Brazzers logo will affect kids? If a kid knows how to use a computer he's seen more boobs than Ron Jeremy. People just need to grow up.
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On April 04 2012 02:40 Forikorder wrote:
imagine this, if Brazzers sponsored MLG Leenock wouldnt be allowed to go
He would. The big issue would be if Little Jimmy's mum sees that a porn website is sponsoring at MLG and she stops paying for his subscription.
Its not an issue of whether its legal, or that almost everyone knows what porn and brazzers are, its that there are a lot of people particularly in America, a huge market for ESports related companies, that consider porn a taboo subject, hell a film can be brutally violent and get a lower rating than a film that shows too much sideboob in a scene.
It would be a bit like if the marijuana industry decided to sponsor a player, too many people consider it to be taboo and you don't want to alienate them, especially when a lot of them are potential paying parents.
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The reason this is not going to help grow the scene is because if you take 'brazzers' as a sponsor you can say goodbye to anyone else who would want to sponsor your team, organize an event, or promote anything. Nobody wants their logo next to a porn site, and nobody wants to stream an event sponsored by a pornagraphic website. It leaves nothing to gain for anyone else and much to lose. Sorry but this is not the place for porn, these are video games, and they are trying to appeal to a larger audience than the adult perverts.
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I think people should just grow up. You go onto 9gag and shit like that and theres the brazzers mem where you just put the logo on a picture and it automatically becomes a different meaning.
I really wouldn't care if it was a sponsorship. I mean imagine IdrA's sponsorship thing at the end of every program he's on...would be hilarious!
However if I had kids I still wouldnt mind. They can see the brazzers symbol and they won't have a clue what it is anyway
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I have no problem with this and they even said that they wouldn't necessarily being announcing publicly Brazzers is sponsoring, etc.
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I somehow feel this wouldn't be as big of an issue with European events. Judging by posts, I'd have to say most Europeans understand that this isn't something that will corrupt young viewers, but does provide much needed sponsorship for eSports which, despite delusions, will not take off in the mainstream. The mainstream doesn't give a shit about professional Starcraft. Not every country is Korea, and from what I've gathered, the Korean SC2 scene hasn't really taken off. If anything, it's dying.
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On April 04 2012 02:46 Eufouria wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 02:40 Forikorder wrote:
imagine this, if Brazzers sponsored MLG Leenock wouldnt be allowed to go He would. The big issue would be if Little Jimmy's mum sees that a porn website is sponsoring at MLG and she stops paying for his subscription. Its not an issue of whether its legal, or that almost everyone knows what porn and brazzers are, its that there are a lot of people particularly in America, a huge market for ESports related companies, that consider porn a taboo subject, hell a film can be brutally violent and get a lower rating than a film that shows too much sideboob in a scene. It would be a bit like if the marijuana industry decided to sponsor a player, too many people consider it to be taboo and you don't want to alienate them, especially when a lot of them are potential paying parents.
MLG would never be stupid enough to have anything pornagraphic related to their events whatsoever. Like i said , there is so little gain there, at the risk of losing EVERYTHING else, sponsors, the venues' themselves, the organizers, the entire group of people who are actually investing into MLG by buying up large pieces of it (10-11 million dollars) , you really think they want pornagraphy to be any part of what they are trying to do?
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And this is how, you prevent things from making it into the mainstream, because it scares away the average consumer, and instead pokes fun at what legitimate organizers are trying to build.
Hate to say it, but this shit, and supporters of it, are literally killing eSports. You think, any legitimate sponsor wants to be competition for this? You think Coca-Cola will want to sponsor a team or event, when there's PORN affiliated stuff plastered all over it? Then comes the "wait, so Coca-Cola supports Brazzers?" or "Brazzer's PWNED Pepsi! at that tournament!". Fuck no. You allow this in, then you lose all other possibilities of sponsors, because they cannot, let themselves become associated with it AT ALL. This is PR suicide, for any team who wants to be taken seriously, but hey, the FGC doesn't give a shit anyways, so let them take the money and run.
It's no surprise, despite it's long history of good games, the FGC has failed to make it 'big' in the world of competitive broadcasting.... wonder why.
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Hahaha this is awesome can't wait to see some interracial action in between the games at MLG !
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On April 04 2012 02:17 Thinasy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2012 02:16 chestnutcc wrote:
Jokes aside, terrible idea, there are many underage pro gamers and spectators at sc2 events, and this would be really bad for publicity. Don't get me wrong, I like me some porn, but its just not appropriate to have them sponsoring an activity that is not age restricted for the most part, and that actively needs more participation.
Imagine DJWheat trying to explain that to miniwheat? Or Day[9] rationalizing this to his increasingly mainstream clientele? No it isn't appropiate to have them as sponsors due to the fact that Porn is shunned upon, that's all there is to it.
Well, that's exactly why this would be a bad idea. It's a bad idea entirely because of the repercussions in outsiders' view on competitive Starcraft, not because of the sponsorship itself. And outsiders include potential sponsors with higher value than Brazzers.
It doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, it matters if it's good or bad.
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