EPTOn March 05 2012 22:17 Mindcrime wrote:
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No, you didn't. 10 APR is the hard cap.
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No, you didn't. 10 APR is the hard cap.
Tought that sounded fishy...
IIRC greater whirlwind + imp. haste allready brought you to the cap?
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Velr
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Tought that sounded fishy... IIRC greater whirlwind + imp. haste allready brought you to the cap? | ||
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Lenwe
Netherlands757 Posts
Permanent death could also be reached if your character would reach -10 Hp or more. Those situations would result in permanent death. For the rest. A new Baldur's Gate game would be awesome (best games ever made), but I doubt they would sell well nowadays. As long as people claim Skyrim is the GOTY (god knows why, repetitive combat and quests, boring storyline, way too easy) games as deep and hard as BG will probably not do well. At least we will always have the originals. And solo games are probably easier if you know what you are doing, since you only have one character to worry about instead of 6. For a beginner however, a party of 5-6 is the way to go. | ||
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Tobberoth
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whatusername
Canada1181 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10872 Posts
On March 05 2012 22:42 Tobberoth wrote: Question is why it's so rare with those kinds of RPGs. We know from history that the BG style to cRPGs has a ton of fans. It's also, comparatively, easy to make. So why isn't there a booming indie industry in making cRPGs? Isometric 2D is a cakewalk nowadays, building content takes time but can be done by anyone... is it simply because of patents etc that A&D rules can't be used without license? BG2 was never the "peak" of the CRPG-Era... It was more like the last massive outcry of a nearly dead genre (party based western RPG's). Even back then creating BG2 was basically "madness" and you just feel how much the developers invested in this game when you play it. There is a reason there weren't many BG style CRPG's after BG2.... The genre was basically already dead for years before that. I mean, disregarding the Infninity Engine games... Which truly good western CRPG's were there? Fall Out 1+2 and Arcanum. I don't remember any others worth mentioning.... Baldurs Gate (2) is basically the Bohemian Rhapsody of the western RPG... | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On March 05 2012 22:40 Lenwe wrote: For the rest. A new Baldur's Gate game would be awesome (best games ever made), but I doubt they would sell well nowadays. As long as people claim Skyrim is the GOTY (god knows why, repetitive combat and quests, boring storyline, way too easy) games as deep and hard as BG will probably not do well. At least we will always have the originals. That's not necessarily true, both Demon's Souls and Dark Souls did incredibly well and are among the hardest games out for the PS3, and nothing like them really exist among the recent console RPGs. The more troubling thing is that EA/Bioware wouldn't risk a game like that, although I hope someone woke up after realizing how much crap DA2 was. But judging by the ME3 pre-retail DLC, they didn't learn a thing and I'm worried they'd just commercialize a new BG game just for the franchise's name. | ||
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Irratonalys
Germany902 Posts
On March 05 2012 22:17 Mindcrime wrote: Hide nested quote - On March 05 2012 17:59 skeldark wrote: At the end i did 30+ atacks per round / the engine could not keep up so you did not see my atack at all -_- No, you didn't. 10 APR is the hard cap. i remember the Demogorgon fight from my solo character run , i used the simulacrum bug to summon 6 planetars and Demogogon got trashed so hard ^^ | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3429 Posts
On March 05 2012 23:44 Sandster wrote: That's not necessarily true, both Demon's Souls and Dark Souls did incredibly well and are among the hardest games out for the PS3, and nothing like them really exist among the recent console RPGs. The more troubling thing is that EA/Bioware wouldn't risk a game like that, although I hope someone woke up after realizing how much crap DA2 was. But judging by the ME3 pre-retail DLC, they didn't learn a thing and I'm worried they'd just commercialize a new BG game just for the franchise's name. Why do people keep mentioning EA & Bioware? Atari holds all the rights to Baldur's Gate and D&D. Bioware made the game, yes, but it's no longer theirs. Get your facts straight before forming an opinion on the matter. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On March 05 2012 23:54 True_Spike wrote: Why do people keep mentioning EA & Bioware? Atari holds all the rights to Baldur's Gate and D&D. Bioware made the game, yes, but it's no longer theirs. Get your facts straight before forming an opinion on the matter. http://www.gamespot.com/news/neverwinter-delayed-as-hasbro-atari-settle-dandd-dispute-6328979 Hasbro will regain the digital licensing rights to the Dungeons & Dragons franchise. However, Atari will still be able to sell and develop a selection of games under the license, including its recently released downloadable action game Dungeons & Dragons: Daggerdale and the upcoming Facebook game Heroes of Neverwinter. Other terms of the deal were not disclosed. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On March 05 2012 23:15 Velr wrote: BG2 was never the "peak" of the CRPG-Era... It was more like the last massive outcry of a nearly dead genre (party based western RPG's). Even back then creating BG2 was basically "madness" and you just feel how much the developers invested in this game when you play it. There is a reason there weren't many BG style CRPG's after BG2.... The genre was basically already dead for years before that. I mean, disregarding the Infninity Engine games... Which truly good western CRPG's were there? Fall Out 1+2 and Arcanum. I don't remember any others worth mentioning.... Baldurs Gate (2) is basically the Bohemian Rhapsody of the western RPG... That's not fair. All of those games you mentioned as good came out late in this "era", so I don't see the problem in saying they are in a league of their own. Older cRPGs like Ultima etc are not the same kind of games and would not be popular nowadays, but there's really no reason to believe a game like BG2 but with better graphics wouldn't sell well, how could the genre die when the best games came out at the very end of it? | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10872 Posts
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esKq
France134 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On March 06 2012 00:29 Velr wrote: The CRPG era was allready dead when BG2 launched, thats my entire point ^^. There were basically only infinity Engine games left, for all the other CRPG developers the genre seemed allready dead and everyone and his mother created RTS at that time ^^. Well, that's my point. You can say that the cRPG era is dead, but the infinity engine games were very popular and came at the end. It just doesn't make sense that developers would go "Oh, infinity engine games make tons of money... but if WE made a cRPG, it would have to be a first person 4 party game with bad graphics and mechanics, so we'll make RTSes instead". I mean, the infinity engine games came up with a sort of original concept which worked on a completely different level, it's ridiculous how it wasn't copied and still hasn't produced much in the way of copies. And while not exactly the same as BG, NWN was a cRPG with a decently complex style which was extremely popular. Just seems to me like making a new cRPG inspired by baldurs gate would be both easy and profitable for developers, yet pretty much no one has. | ||
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esKq
France134 Posts
On March 06 2012 00:36 Tobberoth wrote: Well, that's my point. You can say that the cRPG era is dead, but the infinity engine games were very popular and came at the end. It just doesn't make sense that developers would go "Oh, infinity engine games make tons of money... but if WE made a cRPG, it would have to be a first person 4 party game with bad graphics and mechanics, so we'll make RTSes instead". I mean, the infinity engine games came up with a sort of original concept which worked on a completely different level, it's ridiculous how it wasn't copied and still hasn't produced much in the way of copies. And while not exactly the same as BG, NWN was a cRPG with a decently complex style which was extremely popular. Just seems to me like making a new cRPG inspired by baldurs gate would be both easy and profitable for developers, yet pretty much no one has. Mainly because a basic FPS is faster/easier/cheaper to make and is more likely to sell ? I'm sad to admit it but that's how the market is at the moment. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On March 06 2012 00:40 esKq wrote: Mainly because a basic FPS is faster/easier/cheaper to make and is more likely to sell ? I'm sad to admit it but that's how the market is at the moment. There's a ton of RPGs released every year, just like any other genre. The problem is that for some reason, developers decide to make bad RPGs instead. For no real reason. | ||
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Croatia7457 Posts
On March 06 2012 00:40 esKq wrote: Mainly because a basic FPS is faster/easier/cheaper to make and is more likely to sell ? I'm sad to admit it but that's how the market is at the moment. This!! A good RPG needs lots of story and voice acting for today audience. And it is not true no cRPG games were made after BG2 resembling BG2. Kotor 1&2, Jade Empire, NWN1+2xexp and then NWN2+2xexp. Then Dragon Age. (I will not put Mass Effect into this group as that game was almost as much a fps as a RPG). And each of these games made a lot of money (not nearly as much as FPS games or WoW). Then MMORPGs and FPS became super popular as well as F2P games. Now that the market is getting oversaturated with MMORPG and FPS games we will see a well made cRPG here and there. | ||
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pokerface
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Well u see i started a new game with this mod installed and the new kits and classes are overwhelming,like TONS of new stuf in it. Theres is a fighter called Drow battlemonger.WHen u choose this char it says "Beware of Drow raiding parties" What exactly does this mean? Thanks in advance :D | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10872 Posts
It was/is an awesome game which clearly was inspired by BG2, but aside from the main story it just seemed very pointless and empty and in general was just not as deep. | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On March 05 2012 22:31 Velr wrote: Tought that sounded fishy... IIRC greater whirlwind + imp. haste allready brought you to the cap? Perhaps there they put it in later with patch? Its long time ago and i dont really know if it was 30+ but i remember pretty clear i was way over 10. I never notice a cap of atackspeed and the attack animation was frozen later. I remember i had 2 swords max level haze and 2 ability's of warrior that make my atatck speed higher. | ||
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esKq
France134 Posts
Or are they just making it for $$ ? Do you think there might be "more" that just a port for cash ? | ||
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