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a176
Canada6688 Posts
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GTR
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QuanticHawk
United States32081 Posts
Now it's time for Pwilly and Bowman! :D | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On January 03 2013 02:46 GTR wrote: Is he the oldest non-special teams player still active? Pretty fucking amazing if he is, still being able to play at such a high level. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Fletcher London Fletcher is 4 days younger. I am not sure who else is that old but Ray Lewis may be the oldest non special teams like you said | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32081 Posts
someone can check bdays if they wish man I remember Batch when he was on the Lions | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
Donald Driver - 37 yrs February Ronde Barber - 37 yrs April Ray Lewis - 37 yrs May London Fletcher - 37 yrs May Jeff Saturday - 37 yrs June in that order from the list you posted for non special teams | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32081 Posts
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DusTerr
2520 Posts
On January 03 2013 05:07 QuanticHawk wrote: crazy that barber, lewis and fletcher are all very much major contributors on their teams. Is Saturday still? I know he used to be an awesome center. IIRC there was some discussion about Saturday getting a pro bowl nod despite being benched... | ||
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Wolfswood
United States349 Posts
On January 03 2013 00:30 QuanticHawk wrote:I think the Seahawks are much much better at home. I think RG3 just gets an early lead and Wilson isn't good enough yet to come from behind. Wilson has been great on the road in the second half...the defense was to blame for Detroit and Miami. In the Miami game he tied a Seahawks record with like 20 completions in a row.Oh yeah then there is the matter of back-to-back TD drives at the end of the game against Chicago, one for 97 yards to tie, the other for 80 yards to win. We also beat Carolina on the road, whom everyone now seems to think is actually a good team. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32081 Posts
Like the Niners, they are a run first team guided by a 1st year starter. They're a type of team that really doesn't wanna get behind in the game. Wilson has been playing well, but it isn't like he is a dynamic thrower right now. He averages under 200yds/g. He does have a nice ypa but that is kind of to be expected when you do throw occasionally if your back always draws extra help in the box because he has a 5.0/1600yd year. Statistically, he's in line with Kaepernick and Smith. They all work with the system their teams play, but they're far from who i'd want qbing my team in a come from behind situation. You take the run game out of the equation because of the score or good D, and suddenly it is a different game. RG3 has got the tools to get his team out early and force the Hawks to pass more. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On January 03 2013 06:24 QuanticHawk wrote: They played the Bills, Fins and Bears in the second half on the road and only the Chicago game is impressive. Like the Niners, they are a run first team guided by a 1st year starter. They're a type of team that really doesn't wanna get behind in the game. Wilson has been playing well, but it isn't like he is a dynamic thrower right now. He averages under 200yds/g. He does have a nice ypa but that is kind of to be expected when you do throw occasionally if your back always draws extra help in the box because he has a 5.0/1600yd year. Statistically, he's in line with Kaepernick and Smith. They all work with the system their teams play, but they're far from who i'd want qbing my team in a come from behind situation. You take the run game out of the equation because of the score or good D, and suddenly it is a different game. RG3 has got the tools to get his team out early and force the Hawks to pass more. Statistically, he's more in line with RG3. Combined yardage: RG3 = 4015, Wilson 3607 Combined TD's: RG3 = 27, Wilson = 30 Combined Turnovers: RG3 = 14, Wilson = 12 Alex Smith has never combined for 20 TD's in his career, and his rushing ability is significantly less than Wilson's. Terrible comparison, imo. The only comparable stat is yards/game, and that isn't a good indicator at all of how good a QB is. | ||
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Saeglopur
Canada177 Posts
On January 03 2013 06:24 QuanticHawk wrote: They played the Bills, Fins and Bears in the second half on the road and only the Chicago game is impressive. Like the Niners, they are a run first team guided by a 1st year starter. They're a type of team that really doesn't wanna get behind in the game. Wilson has been playing well, but it isn't like he is a dynamic thrower right now. He averages under 200yds/g. He does have a nice ypa but that is kind of to be expected when you do throw occasionally if your back always draws extra help in the box because he has a 5.0/1600yd year. Statistically, he's in line with Kaepernick and Smith. They all work with the system their teams play, but they're far from who i'd want qbing my team in a come from behind situation. You take the run game out of the equation because of the score or good D, and suddenly it is a different game. RG3 has got the tools to get his team out early and force the Hawks to pass more. It seems you are a 49ers fan so I'm kind of surprised that you've lumped Smith and Kaepernick into the same category. Harbaugh switched to Kaep precisely because he is capable of coming from behind with his arm. Kaep and Wilson are both constant deep threats and the way they are managed by the coaching staff reflects that. Here's a simple statistic that displays the offensive philosophy change after Harbaugh went to Kaep. With Smith, the 49ers were attempting passes of 15yrds or more at a clip of 13.8%, one of the lowest in all of NFL. With Kaep, this number doubled to 27.5%. For reference, Wilson is at 23.2%, and almost every "elite" QB sits at around 20% or higher. Smith took a seat because 9ers had no confidence in his ability to take over with his arm. He fits your description of "system qb" who plays off of the defense and running attack. Wilson and Kaepernick's are far more dynamic and have a very high total point ceiling. Both are being groomed to be able to overcome deficits with explosive plays. | ||
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Tiegrr
United States607 Posts
On January 03 2013 02:44 a176 wrote: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8803174/ray-lewis-baltimore-ravens-says-retiring-season Nooooooooooooooooooooooo | ||
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Saeglopur
Canada177 Posts
Ray knew it was the only way to counter the magic of ChuckStrong. | ||
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
And holy crap I hope that he does a retirement speech. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://misterirrelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/London-Flecher-Ray-Lewis-e1357153446252.jpg) Sad to see Ray Lewis go. He is definitely one of the faces of football. Hopefully the Ravens can make a good playoff run on his way out and do something special | ||
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Wolfswood
United States349 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ??? I don't mean to sound like a homer, but ask anyone who's actually watched the Seahawks all year. This guy is special. Can't believe it about Ray...fuck I've been watching that guy play my whole life, he's the reason I played linebacker in high school. This makes the Ravens absolutely must-watch for me this postseason. oh and Indy now has no chance on Sunday lol | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On January 03 2013 09:28 Saeglopur wrote: It seems you are a 49ers fan so I'm kind of surprised that you've lumped Smith and Kaepernick into the same category. Harbaugh switched to Kaep precisely because he is capable of coming from behind with his arm. Kaep and Wilson are both constant deep threats and the way they are managed by the coaching staff reflects that. Here's a simple statistic that displays the offensive philosophy change after Harbaugh went to Kaep. With Smith, the 49ers were attempting passes of 15yrds or more at a clip of 13.8%, one of the lowest in all of NFL. With Kaep, this number doubled to 27.5%. For reference, Wilson is at 23.2%, and almost every "elite" QB sits at around 20% or higher. Smith took a seat because 9ers had no confidence in his ability to take over with his arm. He fits your description of "system qb" who plays off of the defense and running attack. Wilson and Kaepernick's are far more dynamic and have a very high total point ceiling. Both are being groomed to be able to overcome deficits with explosive plays. Pretty sure Alex Smith last year was pretty much top in the league in game winning drives come from behind victories sometime like 6 games off last quarter drives were won that way. this year he hasn't just because the offense has been better at completing drives early on and their redzone efficiency has gone way up, along with the defense becoming better at holding leads. Smith is still a far better qb in the red zone in kaep is, kaep gets around this alot by throwing td's off deep routs or yac and not having to deal with red zone defenses.Throwing a deep ball isn't everything. You know a system QB look at troy aikman, not to say either is equal but look at a very similar situation where you're asked to play mistake free football and rely on the best defense in the league and strong running game, ie 90's cowboys. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
On January 03 2013 10:57 Wolfswood wrote: "not a dynamic thrower" + Show Spoiler + ??? I don't mean to sound like a homer, but ask anyone who's actually watched the Seahawks all year. This guy is special. Can't believe it about Ray...fuck I've been watching that guy play my whole life, he's the reason I played linebacker in high school. This makes the Ravens absolutely must-watch for me this postseason. oh and Indy now has no chance on Sunday lol As a complete homer (without having ever actually been to Indy), this game will be a very tight one and when it comes down to the wire I believe Luck is a better bet than Flacco despite being a rookie - I think we will see a reprisal of so many of Indys games this year, pulling out a tight win in the dying minutes (and then we will be blown out of the water by Manning or Brady next). | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On January 03 2013 13:09 Ghostcom wrote: As a complete homer (without having ever actually been to Indy), this game will be a very tight one and when it comes down to the wire I believe Luck is a better bet than Flacco despite being a rookie - I think we will see a reprisal of so many of Indys games this year, pulling out a tight win in the dying minutes (and then we will be blown out of the water by Manning or Brady next). History shows that if you trust rookies in the postseason who aren't the second coming of God, you'll be let-down, but it's ok because it helps them develop faster to make it to the postseason to begin with. Rookies generally fall to pieces when they're required to not make "rookie mistakes" over the course of an entire game. | ||
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