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On December 03 2012 13:37 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 12:03 xDaunt wrote:
Seriously. Fuck Bob Costas and fuck everyone else who is politicizing what happened in Kansas City. I didn't hear what he had to say, but I don't see why people have to give long opinions on this or whatever. It's just sad on so many levels. He killed his girlfriend, and left his child without a mother or father, then shot himself in front of two people he worked with. I don't know who I feel worse for, because it's such a fucked up thing to see someone blow their own brains out (I imagine), and it's so sad for the girl's family, and then there's his family to think about. People seem to want to pick sides on this, or ignore one side or the other, and I don't understand why people can't just come to the point where we say "man, that really sucks, in so many ways." There's just far too much complexity in this case for people to pick it apart like we do for everything else. The only black and white in this situation is how incredibly shitty it is.
It needs to be forgotten quick. murder suicide shouldn't sell tickets or inspire the team to win. The less it is talked about the better let all parties move on, to bad I don't seeing it be that easy.
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People watch football to be entertained. They don't need to be confronted with the shit that goes on in real life during that time.
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the part where he killed himself infront of his coaches after saying goodbye... ugh it's just god awful.
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On December 03 2012 13:43 Damiani wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:12 shawster wrote:On December 03 2012 10:22 GTR wrote:
Better to blow the 2013 season for Johnny Football =D since i'm not a huge college football guy, why all the hype for manziel? i mean is it cuz he's a freshman? not all too sure about the hype but i'm not a great talent evaluator when it comes to football lol edit: well just checked up on his stats... didn't know he broke the record for total yards in 1 year for the sec. maybe it's just cause i don't see him as an athletic 6'4 230 pound beastlol. His stock went up 1000% after beating Alabama. If you look at stats wise there's a few Qb that put up bigger and better numbers. Jordan Lynch of Norther Illinois, Marcus Mariota of Oregon, Matt Barkley of USC and Collin Klein of K-State. I'm not sure if there's ever been a Heisman winner on a 2 loss team before tho.
His stock was already huge. He had reporters and college recruiters showing up to his high school games when he was only a sophomore. He broke the SEC (if you don't follow college football, the SEC is the only conference where teams actually play defense) single season total yardage record, as a freshman. Johnny Football is a living legend, even more than RG3.
Also not surprised the Steelers won. Charlie Batch is awesome, he took the Lions to the playoffs once (without Barry Sanders, no less), and nearly a second time the next year.
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No matter what the circumstances or who is playing, Steelers vs Ravens is always a 3 point game.
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On December 03 2012 13:44 slyboogie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:37 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On December 03 2012 12:03 xDaunt wrote:
Seriously. Fuck Bob Costas and fuck everyone else who is politicizing what happened in Kansas City. I didn't hear what he had to say, but I don't see why people have to give long opinions on this or whatever. It's just sad on so many levels. He killed his girlfriend, and left his child without a mother or father, then shot himself in front of two people he worked with. I don't know who I feel worse for, because it's such a fucked up thing to see someone blow their own brains out (I imagine), and it's so sad for the girl's family, and then there's his family to think about. People seem to want to pick sides on this, or ignore one side or the other, and I don't understand why people can't just come to the point where we say "man, that really sucks, in so many ways." There's just far too much complexity in this case for people to pick it apart like we do for everything else. The only black and white in this situation is how incredibly shitty it is. You may see it in all it's glorious sanctimony here: Deadspin
Both of them should be fired for this. The guy who wrote that crap in the first place, and then Costas for spewing it on the air waves. It's nice that you have an opinion on things, and you're completely entitled to have it; in fact, you're even free to express it. You should not, however, express your opinion in a setting in which it is completely inappropriate, and uncalled for, such as a sporting event. You are writing, or on TV talking, to discuss sports. Politics has no place in sports, unless it concerns legislation that effects sports (PED bans, for instance). Their views on gun laws have no place in their writing, it's unnecessary, and completely unprofessional. It's just a shame that this happened on NBC, because he most certainly will not be reprimanded by that station, despite the incredible need for it.
Feel free to put that on your Twitter feed, or your personal blog/website, but when you're at your job, do your job: don't add personal, political or religious beliefs into your job.
On December 03 2012 14:59 xDaunt wrote:
People watch football to be entertained. They don't need to be confronted with the shit that goes on in real life during that time.
Agreed, and that's the biggest reason that I think Costas and that other writer should lose their jobs over this. FOX is the only station that appropriately handled the situation, from what I've seen/heard. NFLN supposedly handled it well too, but I didn't watch them at all.
On December 03 2012 15:03 shawster wrote:
the part where he killed himself infront of his coaches after saying goodbye... ugh it's just god awful.
That's seriously so fucked up. Crennel seems like such a nice guy too; I feel really bad for him having to see that. What a shitty situation... The only thing I ever really think when stuff like this happens is that I wish the shooter/murder/suicide-er would have gone and gotten help from someone. It should never get to where it got. It's a stark reminder that athletes are not the infallible, impermeable, super humans we so often make them out to be. They're just normal people that happen to have a special talent that makes them a lot of money; otherwise, they're just as fucked up as the average person, along with the added pressures put on them by thousands of fans every week. I just wish he would have gotten some help and avoided the situation entirely.
On December 03 2012 15:51 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 13:43 Damiani wrote:On December 03 2012 13:12 shawster wrote:On December 03 2012 10:22 GTR wrote:
Better to blow the 2013 season for Johnny Football =D since i'm not a huge college football guy, why all the hype for manziel? i mean is it cuz he's a freshman? not all too sure about the hype but i'm not a great talent evaluator when it comes to football lol edit: well just checked up on his stats... didn't know he broke the record for total yards in 1 year for the sec. maybe it's just cause i don't see him as an athletic 6'4 230 pound beastlol. His stock went up 1000% after beating Alabama. If you look at stats wise there's a few Qb that put up bigger and better numbers. Jordan Lynch of Norther Illinois, Marcus Mariota of Oregon, Matt Barkley of USC and Collin Klein of K-State. I'm not sure if there's ever been a Heisman winner on a 2 loss team before tho. His stock was already huge. He had reporters and college recruiters showing up to his high school games when he was only a sophomore. He broke the SEC (if you don't follow college football, the SEC is the only conference where teams actually play defense) single season total yardage record, as a freshman. Johnny Football is a living legend, even more than RG3. Also not surprised the Steelers won. Charlie Batch is awesome, he took the Lions to the playoffs once (without Barry Sanders, no less), and nearly a second time the next year.
Batch was pretty good, once. He's old, and not so good anymore.
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Lol fire Bob Costas........who the fuck are you kidding dude, he's the clout of clout amongst sports journalists, and can say whatever he wants, no matter how many internet denizens start screaming "FIRE HIM OH MY GO POLITICS". He probably won't do something like it again, but if he does, I'll applaud him for it. It takes balls to tell the NFL fan base that their gun culture sucks, I don't care how else you frame it
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I don't like Crennel at all as a coach or Pioli at all as a GM. I want both of them gone at the end of the year. But as people.. I have nothing against them. And I feel so bad that they would have to ever witness something like that.. to try to reason with the guy but know deep down, he can't be reasoned with. To witness the suicide happen right in front of them.. ugh, how awful.
Whitlock (the guy who wrote the article in question) is actually a big Chiefs fan, which pisses me off even more. Why would he try to turn this into politics? Costas has always been an idiot when he turns away from sports and starts commenting on events outside of sports, such as: + Show Spoiler +
If anybody nailed it, it was Brady Quinn.
To be honest, I'm still conflicted because Belcher was one of my favorite players and I want to see him in the best light possible, but obviously he's a murderer and what he did was awful. It's obvious the players are struggling with this 100 times more, especially the linebackers and defense that were with him since Belcher started here in 2009. Dwayne Bowe wore a shirt earlier that said something like RIP Belcher and he got a lot of flak for it on a different Chiefs board I read earlier.. obviously yes, Belcher did an awful thing, but the players always knew him as a hard worker and a good guy. It's obvious he was a completely different person those last few hours, much much much for the worse.
There's been a lot of separation between the Chiefs and their fans this year, especially with the Save Our Chiefs movement. This will be a big bonding between the team and fans that is much needed and I'm glad that the Chiefs are opening up donations for the girl to the public.
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Brady Quinn actually sounded really articulate in his post game about that
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Speech for those who missed it
http://www.kcchiefs.com/media-center/videos/From-the-Podium-Brady-Quinn/e494fa92-887c-445b-a42c-087fde2901e9#content-tools-link
When you ask someone how they are doing, do you really mean it?
When you answer someone back how you are doing, are you really telling the truth?
We live in a society of social networks, with Twitter pages and Facebook, and that's fine, but we have contact with our work associates, our family, our friends, and it seems like half the time we are more preoccupied with our phone and other things going on instead of the actual relationships that we have right in front of us.
Hopefully, people can learn from this and try to actually help if someone is battling something deeper on the inside than what they are revealing on a day-to-day basis.
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On December 03 2012 23:53 GTR wrote:Speech for those who missed it http://www.kcchiefs.com/media-center/videos/From-the-Podium-Brady-Quinn/e494fa92-887c-445b-a42c-087fde2901e9#content-tools-linkShow nested quote +"When you ask someone how they are doing, do you really mean it? When you answer someone back how you are doing, are you really telling the truth? We live in a society of social networks, with Twitter pages and Facebook, and that's fine, but we have contact with our work associates, our family, our friends, and it seems like half the time we are more preoccupied with our phone and other things going on instead of the actual relationships that we have right in front of us. Hopefully, people can learn from this and try to actually help if someone is battling something deeper on the inside than what they are revealing on a day-to-day basis."
Yeah, I thought it was really well put.
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On December 03 2012 17:37 farvacola wrote:
Lol fire Bob Costas........who the fuck are you kidding dude, he's the clout of clout amongst sports journalists, and can say whatever he wants, no matter how many internet denizens start screaming "FIRE HIM OH MY GO POLITICS". He probably won't do something like it again, but if he does, I'll applaud him for it. It takes balls to tell the NFL fan base that their gun culture sucks, I don't care how else you frame it
Of course Costas will do it again. He's been doing this stuff his whole career, and people either love him or hate him for it. I have always fallen into the latter category.
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It's a lack of dignity and respect (aka total lack of professionalism) on Costas' part towards the families, towards the team, towards the league, towards anyone who doesn't agree with him on the issue of gun control, and a perfect example of what's wrong with our political culture. You can't just disagree with someone, you have to act like an Old Testament priest-king hurling down anathemas on the sinful and the Canaanites. And you are just soooo right and you are just soooo important that you have to get up on a soapbox 99.99999999% of people never have the opportunity to get up on, and make everything about Bob Costas. Why don't you nitwits in Middle America understand that Bob Costas and whoever that hack columnist is are very smart and moral and you just aren't? Why don't you listen to your betters? That's what pisses me off about Costas, whenever he goes into lecture mode the vibe is always "You aren't meeting Bob Costas' expectations, shame on you. You should feel bad. Bob Costas is very disappointed and a little bit angry with you." Well, who the fuck are you, Bob Costas? A sportscaster who moved "up" to sports journalism/commentary? Whoop-dee-shit.
On a much happier note... don't mess with the Towel!
The Towel is poised to strike! As Myron Cope loved to say. Bet you Ray Rice won't be waving the Towel around and draping it over his head anymore...
Players are always tempted to disrespect the Towel... but you'd think they'd have learned by now.
Do not fuck with the Terrible Towel.
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On December 04 2012 01:35 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 17:37 farvacola wrote:
Lol fire Bob Costas........who the fuck are you kidding dude, he's the clout of clout amongst sports journalists, and can say whatever he wants, no matter how many internet denizens start screaming "FIRE HIM OH MY GO POLITICS". He probably won't do something like it again, but if he does, I'll applaud him for it. It takes balls to tell the NFL fan base that their gun culture sucks, I don't care how else you frame it Of course Costas will do it again. He's been doing this stuff his whole career, and people either love him or hate him for it. I have always fallen into the latter category.
Well he'll certainly continue to editorialize, that much is true. Given all this fallout, I'm of the mind he'll simply keep it to Real Sports or some venue other than an NBC football game. Though who can say? I will admit that Costas adopted an entirely too condescending and haughty tone for that little bit, but gun folk certainly reacted exactly how I would have expected, and I don't think that had anything to do with Costas' tone.
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On December 04 2012 03:11 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 01:35 xDaunt wrote:On December 03 2012 17:37 farvacola wrote:
Lol fire Bob Costas........who the fuck are you kidding dude, he's the clout of clout amongst sports journalists, and can say whatever he wants, no matter how many internet denizens start screaming "FIRE HIM OH MY GO POLITICS". He probably won't do something like it again, but if he does, I'll applaud him for it. It takes balls to tell the NFL fan base that their gun culture sucks, I don't care how else you frame it Of course Costas will do it again. He's been doing this stuff his whole career, and people either love him or hate him for it. I have always fallen into the latter category. Well he'll certainly continue to editorialize, that much is true. Given all this fallout, I'm of the mind he'll simply keep it to Real Sports or some venue other than an NBC football game. Though who can say? I will admit that Costas adopted an entirely too condescending and haughty tone for that little bit, but gun folk certainly reacted exactly how I would have expected, and I don't think that had anything to do with Costas' tone.
Of course it wasn't the tone that really set people off. Costas always talks like that (and it always annoys me). What obviously set people off was blaming gun ownership -- ie making a highly polarizing political point in what should be a neutral forum.
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I'm up 80-38 in one league with NYG D, K, and Santana Moss tonight. My opponent has Bobert Griffin, Freddie Morris, Victor Cruz and Martellus Bennett.
CAN I PULL IT OFF?!?
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costas should keep his opinons about shit like that to whatever show it is that he is on these days
going into his argument, to insinuate that a professional football player could not/would not have murdered his wife if he did not have a gun is kind of ridiculous. I can see the stuff about every day confrontations escalating to shootouts being a legitimate thing, but a 240 lbs lineman could pretty easily kill an average person, let alone a small female. not to mention there are plenty of other means of harm he could have done
it just seems odd thing to get on a soapbox about
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On December 04 2012 03:22 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 03:11 farvacola wrote:On December 04 2012 01:35 xDaunt wrote:On December 03 2012 17:37 farvacola wrote:
Lol fire Bob Costas........who the fuck are you kidding dude, he's the clout of clout amongst sports journalists, and can say whatever he wants, no matter how many internet denizens start screaming "FIRE HIM OH MY GO POLITICS". He probably won't do something like it again, but if he does, I'll applaud him for it. It takes balls to tell the NFL fan base that their gun culture sucks, I don't care how else you frame it Of course Costas will do it again. He's been doing this stuff his whole career, and people either love him or hate him for it. I have always fallen into the latter category. Well he'll certainly continue to editorialize, that much is true. Given all this fallout, I'm of the mind he'll simply keep it to Real Sports or some venue other than an NBC football game. Though who can say? I will admit that Costas adopted an entirely too condescending and haughty tone for that little bit, but gun folk certainly reacted exactly how I would have expected, and I don't think that had anything to do with Costas' tone. Of course it wasn't the tone that really set people off. Costas always talks like that (and it always annoys me). What obviously set people off was blaming gun ownership -- ie making a highly polarizing political point in what should be a neutral forum.
Well, consider the NFL fan base polarized 
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On December 03 2012 17:37 farvacola wrote:
Lol fire Bob Costas........who the fuck are you kidding dude, he's the clout of clout amongst sports journalists, and can say whatever he wants, no matter how many internet denizens start screaming "FIRE HIM OH MY GO POLITICS". He probably won't do something like it again, but if he does, I'll applaud him for it. It takes balls to tell the NFL fan base that their gun culture sucks, I don't care how else you frame it
Let's say an NFL player's wife died during an abortion, or maybe an WNBA player, and Bob Costas ranted about how abortion was morally wrong and that she'd still be alive if abortions were banned. Would you applaud him for that?
It was a completely inappropriate time and place to make such a statement, and the entire premise that they'd both still be alive if he didn't own a gun is ridiculous speculation.
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On December 04 2012 05:32 ShadowDrgn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 17:37 farvacola wrote:
Lol fire Bob Costas........who the fuck are you kidding dude, he's the clout of clout amongst sports journalists, and can say whatever he wants, no matter how many internet denizens start screaming "FIRE HIM OH MY GO POLITICS". He probably won't do something like it again, but if he does, I'll applaud him for it. It takes balls to tell the NFL fan base that their gun culture sucks, I don't care how else you frame it Let's say an NFL player's wife died during an abortion, or maybe an WNBA player, and Bob Costas ranted about how abortion was morally wrong and that she'd still be alive if abortions were banned. Would you applaud him for that? It was a completely inappropriate time and place to make such a statement, and the entire premise that they'd both still be alive if he didn't own a gun is ridiculous speculation.
In the game of hypotheticals, no one wins (though maybe some massive WNBA abortion scandal might rustle up some viewership). Like I said, I am applauding the gall it took to confront gun culture specifically, as the NRA and associated groups do their absolute best to discourage any and all conversations relating to gun rights. I don't agree with how he did it or even necessarily with what he specifically said, I simply enjoy seeing gun nuts get all worked up. Granted, the family and those involved ought to have the last say when it comes to public discussion of the case, so ultimately I am rather ambivalent about the whole thing.
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