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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
September 11 2014 12:23 GMT
#281
I thought the open beta already ended for this game? Anyways I'm pretty excited for this game as it seems like a game that would suit my slow paced MMORPG gaming style (till I get to level cap, anyways).
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kaykaykay
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore637 Posts
September 11 2014 13:20 GMT
#282
has the open beta ended?
am pretty interested in this but not sure if purchasing the founder's pack is any good.
i can't even try the game out, though i've been reading reviews on mmohut, 2p etc
Starve the ego, feed the soul.
kuresuti
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1393 Posts
September 11 2014 15:09 GMT
#283
On September 11 2014 22:20 kaykaykay wrote:
has the open beta ended?
am pretty interested in this but not sure if purchasing the founder's pack is any good.
i can't even try the game out, though i've been reading reviews on mmohut, 2p etc


Well the launch is in less than a week, so I'd wait and just play when it's released so you don't waste any money if you don't like the game.
Inseril
Profile Joined September 2014
United States1 Post
September 11 2014 15:31 GMT
#284
I stumbled onto this forum randomly and I could not pass up the opportunity to share my thoughts on AA. I have been following this game for about 2 years and have been an alpha tester who has logged countless hours in AA. If you have not tried this game and are on the fence based off of miss information that tends to be on forums, then all I can say is give it a try and decide for yourself. I will highlight a few points about AA that you should consider when trying to decide whether to play or not.

1) "Sandpark" is what this game is often referred too. Which is somewhat suited instead of the term"Themebox". This game has many more sandbox elements in it then theme park. The reason why some casual players in beta think it is just another "WoW clone" is that XL Games,(Trion is not the game developers and should not be blamed for poor systems that may exist in this game, the best they can do is request XL games make adjustments but it is ultimately XL games decision on what changes they allow for NA and EU) did a poor job with starter areas. They use the first 10 levels using themepark questing lines to teach you aspects of the game, so the players first think "wow this is more of the same.", but it really isn't in fact there are crafters, who reach max level just farming mats and crafting. I also know one person, who reached max level just being a farmer and made a ton of money selling their farmed goods. The only required quests in my opinion at the racial quests (often referred to as the green quests) which award gilda stars until level 30. This will allow players to buy some cool things on mirage isle, such as a boat blueprint. I wish XL games did a better job at starting areas to explain to new players their options.

2) "P2W" vs "F2P debate. If your playing on the Korean and Russian servers then without a doubt AA is a "P2W" game. However, Trion has really stressed and fought to make changes in NA and EU. For example, any gliders sold in the cash shop with only be a cosmetic. Items such as "costumes" have had all their stats taken away from them so basically allows you to look like your wearing a dress but u retain the stats of the gear ur wearing instead of adding special stats. Mounts and battle pets will purchased in the cash show might look cooler but will not have any special abilities compared to the other mounts in the game. There was a lot of hype about a Black Pegasus, but Trion saw the ability of a cash shop mount that had the ability to fly as being too different so it is not going to be sold in the NA and EU cash shops. The only issue that was causing some stir was the potions that replenish labor points and how quickly players could drink those potions.

** side note to my second point....I think Trion has done a good job of balancing F2P players and Patrons. I typically hate the term F2P, because it is a misleading marketing term, they would be better off calling it something like "Selective Pay to Play" (SPP). No game will ever be completely free to play because the people that make the game need to get paid a salary. SPP means that instead of paying a monthly subscription, I pay a fee for any perks I might want...sorta like the Spirit Airline approach that charges you for things you want like an beverage during flight or being able to check a bag.

Ok, back on topic, there is only one thing you don't have access to and one area that your limited with as a non-patron player. You can't own land for a house or farm. If you want to be a farmer without being a patron is still possible but you will need to either plant your goods in public farm areas or become a "family" member of patron who will give you permissions to plant on their farms. As a non-patron player your Labor Points regen slower and you are not able to regen when your offline. This is a reasonable trade off as patrons are paying 15 dollars a month, they deserve some perks. A non-patron will be able to purchase those labor point replenish potions for a cost on the cash shop which is why this would be a Selective Pay to Play item. Your going to spend a lot less then $15 a month to purchase these potions to keep you at a good amount of LP to do things like crafting and resource gathering. Not a bad deal.

3) If you plan on getting any fun out of AA, you need to be a part of a guild or have a dedicated group of people to play with. You will not enjoy or be successful in this game alone. You will not survive doing trade runs solo as you will be ganked non-stop. You can't grind mobs to get gear in this game. Gear drops are basic at best and the only look you get are coing bags that sometimes drop a rare crafting mat. So you will need to know people who can have craft gear for you or who your willing to pay to craft gear. Most organized guilds already have developed mass crafting sessions to gear their members so all they have to do is gather mats and feed them to the guild crafters who will return the gear. If you plan to go alone your going to have to pay a lot of in game gold to buy stuff. There were some players who would solo gank players leveling, but when that person has a guild behind them one person against a group is not going to last long. PvP is a lot of fun in a small group so you will need people to play with and the best small group PvP was not a group of randoms but a group that developed there character builds to synergize with each other think of it as GvG in the first Guild Wars...Your team comp was way more important than your solo build.

Hopefully, I helped a few people out on the fence. Feel free to message me here if you have specific questions or if you do play I will be on Ollo server under the name Inseril on the West Faction, I will be happy to help you out.
fluidin
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore1084 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-11 17:58:53
September 11 2014 17:57 GMT
#285
Good read Inseril, except for the point regarding SPP/F2P, where it has already been established there are purely F2P games utilising cosmetics-only shops.

In an ideal world all F2P games would be able to thrive off cosmetics only, although ofc it's not likely that happens any time soon.
tadL
Profile Joined September 2010
Croatia679 Posts
September 11 2014 18:27 GMT
#286
played arch age 6 or so years ago. then it got stomped down and now the new build mhh if the crafting system is still the same its worth a shot.
killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
September 11 2014 18:54 GMT
#287
On September 11 2014 18:44 Skilledblob wrote:
there are also loads of germans on Kyprosa


Figures the germans would invade the french server
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
September 11 2014 20:00 GMT
#288
Posted this on reddit maybe a few guys who have played the alpha / beta can answer this for me.

I had a few questions regarding LP and it being "P2W" or pay to play as some are calling it..

I am planning to pay the subscription and not much else.

People are saying you need LP for everything - looting mobs, crafting, questing, farming, land etc - everything. People are also saying LP gain is pathetic and without buying labor potions the game is basically a freemium app for your PC, where you wait forever or throw cash at them to advance.

How bad is the labor wall exactly? Am i going to be limited in the things i can do as a subscriber? If thats the case why would i even bother? If im subscribing i want to be able to do what i want, when i want, i want to go out and play the game, grind, to earn my stuff, not pay money or afk until i have the required points to do it.

Basically - if im a patron, am i going to be able to do what i want when i want? Im fine with crafting / farming / housing or whatever being limited but i dont want to be told i cant go pvp, cant go kill and loot a mob, cant go run group content, cant do quests because i dont have the required LP available - that doesnt sit right.

If these limits are in the game, what are the LP costs like? 10LP online / 5LP offline per 10 mins and what am i paying to loot a mob? craft an item? Complete a quest? 5LP? 50LP?

Thanks for any replies i get <3
Useless wet fish.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8509 Posts
September 11 2014 20:22 GMT
#289
I can only speak of early game. But harvesting, depending on what you harvest, can cost a lot. Some low level trees already cost 25 LP to chuck. Crafting items costs 100 LP per item (gear) in low levels. Identifying costs 5 LP. Questing costs you nothing. Mob looting costs nothing but they drop bag with silver in it that cost 1-5(?) LP to open (not worth it I guess).

Also, it's 10 LP per 5 minutes for sub.
tadL
Profile Joined September 2010
Croatia679 Posts
September 11 2014 20:34 GMT
#290
On September 12 2014 03:54 killa_robot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2014 18:44 Skilledblob wrote:
there are also loads of germans on Kyprosa


Figures the germans would invade the french server


nah we have no army left, we sold all our tanks to canada
kaykaykay
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore637 Posts
September 12 2014 02:19 GMT
#291
On September 12 2014 00:31 Inseril wrote:
I stumbled onto this forum randomly and I could not pass up the opportunity to share my thoughts on AA. I have been following this game for about 2 years and have been an alpha tester who has logged countless hours in AA. If you have not tried this game and are on the fence based off of miss information that tends to be on forums, then all I can say is give it a try and decide for yourself. I will highlight a few points about AA that you should consider when trying to decide whether to play or not.

1) "Sandpark" is what this game is often referred too. Which is somewhat suited instead of the term"Themebox". This game has many more sandbox elements in it then theme park. The reason why some casual players in beta think it is just another "WoW clone" is that XL Games,(Trion is not the game developers and should not be blamed for poor systems that may exist in this game, the best they can do is request XL games make adjustments but it is ultimately XL games decision on what changes they allow for NA and EU) did a poor job with starter areas. They use the first 10 levels using themepark questing lines to teach you aspects of the game, so the players first think "wow this is more of the same.", but it really isn't in fact there are crafters, who reach max level just farming mats and crafting. I also know one person, who reached max level just being a farmer and made a ton of money selling their farmed goods. The only required quests in my opinion at the racial quests (often referred to as the green quests) which award gilda stars until level 30. This will allow players to buy some cool things on mirage isle, such as a boat blueprint. I wish XL games did a better job at starting areas to explain to new players their options.

2) "P2W" vs "F2P debate. If your playing on the Korean and Russian servers then without a doubt AA is a "P2W" game. However, Trion has really stressed and fought to make changes in NA and EU. For example, any gliders sold in the cash shop with only be a cosmetic. Items such as "costumes" have had all their stats taken away from them so basically allows you to look like your wearing a dress but u retain the stats of the gear ur wearing instead of adding special stats. Mounts and battle pets will purchased in the cash show might look cooler but will not have any special abilities compared to the other mounts in the game. There was a lot of hype about a Black Pegasus, but Trion saw the ability of a cash shop mount that had the ability to fly as being too different so it is not going to be sold in the NA and EU cash shops. The only issue that was causing some stir was the potions that replenish labor points and how quickly players could drink those potions.

** side note to my second point....I think Trion has done a good job of balancing F2P players and Patrons. I typically hate the term F2P, because it is a misleading marketing term, they would be better off calling it something like "Selective Pay to Play" (SPP). No game will ever be completely free to play because the people that make the game need to get paid a salary. SPP means that instead of paying a monthly subscription, I pay a fee for any perks I might want...sorta like the Spirit Airline approach that charges you for things you want like an beverage during flight or being able to check a bag.

Ok, back on topic, there is only one thing you don't have access to and one area that your limited with as a non-patron player. You can't own land for a house or farm. If you want to be a farmer without being a patron is still possible but you will need to either plant your goods in public farm areas or become a "family" member of patron who will give you permissions to plant on their farms. As a non-patron player your Labor Points regen slower and you are not able to regen when your offline. This is a reasonable trade off as patrons are paying 15 dollars a month, they deserve some perks. A non-patron will be able to purchase those labor point replenish potions for a cost on the cash shop which is why this would be a Selective Pay to Play item. Your going to spend a lot less then $15 a month to purchase these potions to keep you at a good amount of LP to do things like crafting and resource gathering. Not a bad deal.

3) If you plan on getting any fun out of AA, you need to be a part of a guild or have a dedicated group of people to play with. You will not enjoy or be successful in this game alone. You will not survive doing trade runs solo as you will be ganked non-stop. You can't grind mobs to get gear in this game. Gear drops are basic at best and the only look you get are coing bags that sometimes drop a rare crafting mat. So you will need to know people who can have craft gear for you or who your willing to pay to craft gear. Most organized guilds already have developed mass crafting sessions to gear their members so all they have to do is gather mats and feed them to the guild crafters who will return the gear. If you plan to go alone your going to have to pay a lot of in game gold to buy stuff. There were some players who would solo gank players leveling, but when that person has a guild behind them one person against a group is not going to last long. PvP is a lot of fun in a small group so you will need people to play with and the best small group PvP was not a group of randoms but a group that developed there character builds to synergize with each other think of it as GvG in the first Guild Wars...Your team comp was way more important than your solo build.

Hopefully, I helped a few people out on the fence. Feel free to message me here if you have specific questions or if you do play I will be on Ollo server under the name Inseril on the West Faction, I will be happy to help you out.


Very good read, thanks!
Starve the ego, feed the soul.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
September 12 2014 03:20 GMT
#292
Hm anybody know any good guilds or anything on launch? This MMO just screams to me that you need to be in a guild to fully enjoy the game.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
September 12 2014 06:51 GMT
#293
Gonna play this super casually with a few friends, we're thinking Naima since it sounds like it's gonna be the least populated server on release, is this the case?
TranslatorBaa!
softee
Profile Joined January 2011
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-12 06:55:36
September 12 2014 06:54 GMT
#294
On September 12 2014 15:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Gonna play this super casually with a few friends, we're thinking Naima since it sounds like it's gonna be the least populated server on release, is this the case?


Kyrios, Ollo and Aranzeb will be the best populated.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
September 12 2014 06:55 GMT
#295
I want to gank people / steal from people / assassin dudes and be an outlaw. I'm looking to minimize time spent on crafting and stuff and just raid merchants / steal stuff. That sounds the most fun and it has the bonus of not being attached to housing and stuff.

So, any tips or ideas? I think I want to go for the asian class (not human or elf or cats, the last class) and work on an assassinish build.
maru lover forever
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28089 Posts
September 12 2014 06:56 GMT
#296
On September 12 2014 15:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Gonna play this super casually with a few friends, we're thinking Naima since it sounds like it's gonna be the least populated server on release, is this the case?

I think it was either Naima or Tahyang? Not 100% sure though.

Are you playing with people I know, or IRL friends? I'm looking for people to play with as well.
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TOCHMY
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden1692 Posts
September 12 2014 07:20 GMT
#297
On September 12 2014 05:00 Capped wrote:
Posted this on reddit maybe a few guys who have played the alpha / beta can answer this for me.

I had a few questions regarding LP and it being "P2W" or pay to play as some are calling it..

I am planning to pay the subscription and not much else.

People are saying you need LP for everything - looting mobs, crafting, questing, farming, land etc - everything. People are also saying LP gain is pathetic and without buying labor potions the game is basically a freemium app for your PC, where you wait forever or throw cash at them to advance.

How bad is the labor wall exactly? Am i going to be limited in the things i can do as a subscriber? If thats the case why would i even bother? If im subscribing i want to be able to do what i want, when i want, i want to go out and play the game, grind, to earn my stuff, not pay money or afk until i have the required points to do it.

Basically - if im a patron, am i going to be able to do what i want when i want? Im fine with crafting / farming / housing or whatever being limited but i dont want to be told i cant go pvp, cant go kill and loot a mob, cant go run group content, cant do quests because i dont have the required LP available - that doesnt sit right.

If these limits are in the game, what are the LP costs like? 10LP online / 5LP offline per 10 mins and what am i paying to loot a mob? craft an item? Complete a quest? 5LP? 50LP?

Thanks for any replies i get <3



Hey Capped.

LP is needed as to not swarm the market with the best stuff there is 1 month into the game. You don't need LP to loot mobs. You do need LP to open coin purses. Different cost for different level of coin purses. The sole reason for coin purses, at least early on, is the rare drops of archeum which is needed to craft gear.

LP is needed to craft items, gathering and farming. Also needed to turn in Trade packs and building houses/boats. Basically anything that involves labor.

Turning in a Trade Pack costs 60 LP, opening a coin purse is 1lp at low lvl (i think), up to 5LP for the highest one. (Also not sure, memory escapes me). Mining an Iron node is 10 LP, cutting a tree is 10 LP. Crafting a hereafter stone (needed to teleport) is 25 LP.

In my experience, you're never short of LP as long as you are not focusing really hard at crafting at that moment. There's always other stuff to do while waiting for LP to regenerate.
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TOCHMY
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden1692 Posts
September 12 2014 07:28 GMT
#298
On September 12 2014 15:55 Incognoto wrote:
I want to gank people / steal from people / assassin dudes and be an outlaw. I'm looking to minimize time spent on crafting and stuff and just raid merchants / steal stuff. That sounds the most fun and it has the bonus of not being attached to housing and stuff.

So, any tips or ideas? I think I want to go for the asian class (not human or elf or cats, the last class) and work on an assassinish build.


The race you're looking for is Harani. Good choice.

Tips and ideas: Join a pirating guild. You can roam around and gank friendlies, but without back-up, you'll quickly find that you'll be a Kill on Sight. Kill a dude from the wrong guild and you're done for...

With a pirating guild you'll have a hundred friends with the same goals as you.

There's nothing worse than running a trade pack run with your guild to Freedich Isles and being met with pirates... It happened to my guild. We had a small clipper, 12 people with a trade pack each. That's 50 gold in materials. A few minutes out of Freedich we're met by an empty row boat. A scout, we guessed and guessed right. A minute off shore of Freedich we're met by a german guild we've never seen before. Pirates. 3 Galleons and 5 clippers, probably 60-70 people in total. Needless to say, we died hard and lost our trade packs.

This game is great guys.
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Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
September 12 2014 08:18 GMT
#299
Most zerg guilds who shout "KoS" are harmless, once you get a handle on who those guilds are you'll be able to do whatever you want to them. Just avoid the serious ones and try to remind people you're equal opportunity so they don't think you're unfairly going after them or that particular guild.
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
September 12 2014 08:23 GMT
#300
That actually sounds like a lot of fun
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