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akalarry
United States1978 Posts
On March 30 2012 09:35 VENDIZ wrote: Actually, that would be more likely than Kentucky beating a NBA team.. lol no. serena would have a hard time beating high school varsity players. | ||
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Timurid
Guyana (French)656 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16129 Posts
Glad the fans are letting him know that we still love that guy. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Lakers beating OKC, Durant goes 1 for 9 1st quarter: "This game doesn't matter". | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
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Existential
Australia2107 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On March 30 2012 02:19 Holcan wrote: southlight, you can't honestly think that kentucky could compete with the pre trade deadline wizards? I mean, they had so much size up front mcgee and blatche would average 10 blocks, and john wall, crawford, young would be able to throw up 20 points each, at least. the size just isn't fair, davis would be pushed everywhere, and john wall would outplay teague so hard. the only advantage kentucky has is kidd-gilchrist, and even the wizards have a player that could at least slow him down, if not out right shut him down. kentucky would be lucky to break 50 and stop the wizards from getting 100. Blatche and McGee are terrible, lol. McGee puts up blocks (yay stats) but whenever he doesn't block he either goaltends or gives up a basket... why do you think the Wiz went from giving up 104 ppg to like 90 ppg even in games without Nene... against some pretty decent teams? Over the past decade we've seen monstrous NBA-calibur players like John Peter Ramos walk through our team. Around the league you'll see stuff like the Magic drafting that... Spanish? I think guy with their first round pick even though he didn't want to play in the NBA, you see awesome busts like Darko Milicic, et cetera. The difference between them and US players is that US players from college tend to at least be acclimated to NBA-style of play, Euro players have a tendency to need to adjust to a different type of play, which makes them, at the start, worse-off than a US player of similar skillset. Ignoring population quantity, if you were to put together a team of 12 lottery American rookies and 12 lottery international rookies playing with NBA rules I'd give advantage to the American rookies... and not because of superior talent or anything. There's just less of an adjustment period. Over the past decade we've had NBA stalwarts like Paul Davis, Mike Harris, Alonzo Gee, Cartier Martin, Quinton Ross, Darius Songaila, Mike Wilks, Dominic McGuire, and so on and so forth log significant minutes on our team. Most of them have gone on to star in the D-League and international play, or shuffle around the league getting garbage-time minutes, because they're BARELY NBA talent. Granted, most Wiz teams haven't had a roster as shitty as this year's one. I can't speak for other perennially shitty teams, but usually you don't see rosters as dreadful as ours. Did you know that whenever McGee guarded someone, they would put up stats that was the equivalent of playing against like Kevin Garnett every game? We're talking mediocre centers here, looking like they're some freaking Hall of Fame player. Someone like Davis, conditioning aside, would have a FIELD DAY with him. I'm thinking something along the likes of Blake Griffin scoring 30 points. Fortunately we have John Wall, so you won't end up with a Wizards vs Suns esque type game where the PG ends up with like 15 assists and Amare (back in the day) would rack up like 30/20 against us because our big men are so awesome, but it's pretty bad. I mean we're starting friggin Shelvin Mack and Trevor Booker. No offense to them because they might have decent NBA careers still but that's a rookie and a sophomore you're looking at. I can't imagine some sort of wicked advantage they have over other potential first-round picks (on Kentucky), especially given that these guys were late-first-rounders/second-round picks! They have no offensive game! They're just good at defending which is fantastic for a bench. People were talking on radio today laughing at how you could legitimately trade our entire starting roster for the Kentucky roster and we'd be cheering like hell, because we have players who should be bench players as starters. The real argument is what SVG said, which is that our bench is better. And it might be, because we DO have Roger Mason and Kevin Seraphim, whom are fairly serviceable players. Pre-trade you'd add Nick Young to the mix and you're looking at this hysterical roster of PG: Wall, Mason SG: Young, Jordan Crawford, Mack (but Mack would play no minutes because Young is a crybaby who thinks he's Ray Allen, no joke) SF: Booker? and Seraphin on some sort of odd rotation PF: Booker, Seraphim, maybe Blatche but we've benched his ass because he's competing with Lamar Odom this season for most inspired play C: McGee Are you kidding me. That's terrible. Aside from Young and McGee the average age of our "standard" rotation without counting inspired, motivated players like Rashard Lewis and Andray Blatche is like 22-24. People keep bringing up this NBA VETERANS ARE SEASONED MEN WHO DESTROY KIDS sort of business. We don't have that shit. Our veterans were the three stooges who had like a +- rating (yes I know it's a terrible rating but it's still an ok indication of defensive care) of like -10 each, who had no semblance of passing and no semblance of defense. I was not kidding when I said our team looked better after the trade even when Nene wasn't around yet. At least our rookies (Mack, Booker, Seraphin, Singleton) try and hustle. It's an improvement. But you can't say with a straight face that they're going to somehow have better conditioning and stuff than a college player, because they're rookies! So when you add the three stooges to the mix of a bunch of rookies and 2nd year players you get why we don't actually consider our roster to be "stocked with savvy experienced NBA players." You're looking at a roster that's legitimately made up of players who might be out of the league in two years. Edit: None of which makes me wholly refute what SVG says. I'm not saying Kentucky would beat the Wiz consistently. The reality is that even if the players might be out of the league in two years (or might hang around as fringe 3mpg players) they're still "good enough to hang around," which is more than can be said for some 10 players on Kentucky. But I disagree with SVG in calling it absurd, at least specifically for this year's Wiz team prior to the Nene trade. The irony of course is that over past couple weeks we've seen the Wiz improve (!) by starting these rookies and 2nd years I've been so cynical OF. Which goes to show just how dreadful the three stooges were and are, which is why I make the point of saying "if we're locking ourselves into the mindset of starting McGee Blatche and McFly" we'd have more than a legit chance of losing to Kentucky. THAT'S HOW BAD THEY WERE. And why we're so fookin glad we traded them away. And why it still cracks me up when the Clips/Nuggets somehow hype those two jerks up like they're going to make a positive difference. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On March 30 2012 12:50 igotmyown wrote: Why don't you guys look at the starting 5 for the NCAA championship the last 10 years and see how they did in the NBA, rather than assume they're nba starter caliber? The assumption behind the Kentucky talk is that their starting 5 > starting 5s of pretty much every NCAA team aside from if you go back to when people stayed in school (ie the 90s and back), because those starting 5s were pretty dominant IMO. The other assumption is that the Wiz starting lineup is historically bad/young. Edit: Bear in mind this topic was brought up the DC radio station 106.7 two days ago as a banter between two guys on air. The media just picked up and ran on it. It was never "NCAA vs NBA team" it was a very specific can THIS Kentucky team beat THIS Wizards team. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Also lets not forget that if they play by NCAA rules the Kentucky team has absolutely no hope. None. With that shortened 3pt line and the ability to almost camp the lane they will be lucky to score 30. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
I have trouble buying you saying WALL would drop 60 points on an NCAA team though. He's only two years older than them, and he wasn't exactly dropping 60 ppg during the NCAA. Sure he may have improved some (hard to tell with how functional of an organization we've been) but that's still far-fetched to me. Edit: And yeah maybe that's just me underestimating how much growth players go through in their first couple years. That would certainly color my opinion differently when comparing our rookies and second-years to college players. I was talking to Wreak earlier and he brought up how NBA-ready players, even in the lottery, are the exception more than the norm. That's true, I shouldn't really be expecting every Kentucky lottery pick to be like Chris Paul and Blake Griffin. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
OKC making their shots now. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
The John Wall you see now is vastly superior to the one from the NCAA days who would still be a problem for this Kentucky team, Any near All-Star level guard, or even near average guard in the NBA would go absolutely wild on a college team with simple pick n rolls and dribble drives all day long. And yes, Blake Griffin and Chris Paul are exceptions but even at their very best in college, when playing with college level teammates they'd be blown out by bottom barrel NBA teams. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16129 Posts
Also, Troy Murphy is fucking terrible. | ||
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darkmetal505
United States639 Posts
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