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Vindicare605
United States16127 Posts
On March 30 2012 14:11 darkmetal505 wrote: lol I love beating the Lakers. Westbrook was on fire. Westbrook making shots doesn't bother me. Perkins getting uncontested dunks and Collison getting offensive boards over Pau Gasol, those are the things that bother me. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
Went 9-13 after first quarter debacle. | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
On March 30 2012 14:54 JiYan wrote: idc about westbrook being on fire, he shoots way too often without getting his teammates involved. if he's making them (i.e. the definition of "being on fire") then does he really need to? | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
On March 30 2012 15:20 zeehar wrote: if he's making them (i.e. the definition of "being on fire") then does he really need to? yes. there are many instances of kobe being on fire scoring 35+ points but loses because he didn't get his team involved. Some would say that you can blame his teammates for sucking, but most people will tell you that you cannot play well when you hardly ever touch the ball. you need to get your team involved so that when they are depended on, they arent ice cold. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On March 30 2012 13:12 Southlight wrote: Fortunately when we had McGee we couldn't run pick and rolls, but maybe you're right in saying that Wall would singlehandedly destroy them anyways :< yea 2 years in the Pros is more than enough for a player like Wall with even minimal help tp rip through any NCAA team this year. College rules or otherwise. Mcgee as bad as he is would just get away with alot more. The maturity physical and otherwise (ok maybe the otherwise may not apply that much) is just way to significant. Even if Kentucky were to hound Wall I just dont see that pre trade lineup breaking a sweat. Someone already said it. Pros are pros, college is college. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On March 31 2012 02:31 Jerubaal wrote: Whenever Westbrook gets hot I get worried that he's going to chuck up a lot of bad shots. Thats the only thing that can stand in the way of OKC destroying everyone in the playoffs as far as Im concerned. Atleast till the finals anyway. Spurs are my pick purely because of that and the fact that Pop is an absolute boss. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On March 30 2012 15:30 JiYan wrote: yes. there are many instances of kobe being on fire scoring 35+ points but loses because he didn't get his team involved. Some would say that you can blame his teammates for sucking, but most people will tell you that you cannot play well when you hardly ever touch the ball. you need to get your team involved so that when they are depended on, they arent ice cold. Thing is, OKC needs westbrook to take a lot of shot. The main scoring trio is him, harden and durant. And they all can create their own shots. It is enough that one of them is hot, | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On March 31 2012 02:48 Rebs wrote: I agree with all 3 of these sentences. Nice and concise.Thats the only thing that can stand in the way of OKC destroying everyone in the playoffs as far as Im concerned. Atleast till the finals anyway. Spurs are my pick purely because of that and the fact that Pop is an absolute boss. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
It might look great right now. But teams, good teams can and Will solve him, its just not crunch time and most teams are either just not good enough or have other issues. As quick as he is he can do soooo much more for his team than scoring. OKC is a shoe in for the conf finals, it gets trickier after that. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On March 31 2012 02:59 andrewlt wrote: same thing applies to Kobe I would say. People are saying that Kobe needs to shoot that much to keep the Lakers in the game, but his problem has been selection, and forcing too many bad shots that he isn't making consistently anymore, hence why he is so inefficient this season...that's not to say he hasn't been getting better since Sessions, but Lakers will still have very little margin for error and have to catch a lot of breaks if they want to win. It doesn't help that their bench sucks, and they don't match up well versus the Thunder.Westbrook's problem is less about volume and more about selection. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16127 Posts
On March 31 2012 03:21 MassHysteria wrote: same thing applies to Kobe I would say. People are saying that Kobe needs to shoot that much to keep the Lakers in the game, but his problem has been selection, and forcing too many bad shots that he isn't making consistently anymore, hence why he is so inefficient this season...that's not to say he hasn't been getting better since Sessions, but Lakers will still have very little margin for error and have to catch a lot of breaks if they want to win. It doesn't help that their bench sucks, and they don't match up well versus the Thunder. The difference between Kobe and westbrook though in this regard is that defenses are focused around Kobe. He hardly ever gets a chance to play against single coverage in the NBA, when he does, he's been averaging 30 points a game. His shot selection CAN'T really be that good because if he got good looks it would mean the defense is bad. Westbrook has the advantage of defenses being forced to commit more to durant than to him which allows him to get open looks where Kobe never would. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Likewise, Kobe isn't doubled as much as it seems. He's had teams loaded with bailout options for years now. If he's being double teamed and still taking shots then his shot selection is questionable. It IS one of the major differences between MJ, Wade, Lebron and Kobe. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16127 Posts
On March 31 2012 05:31 Ace wrote: That isn't completely true though. Defenses double Westbrook and try to force Durant to create at times. As good as Durant is teams aren't silly enough to not double Westbrook and will force someone else to make plays. The thing is this year Durant's playmaking has finally become good. Likewise, Kobe isn't doubled as much as it seems. He's had teams loaded with bailout options for years now. If he's being double teamed and still taking shots then his shot selection is questionable. It IS one of the major differences between MJ, Wade, Lebron and Kobe. Ace. Are you REALLY trying to say that Westbrook gets doubled as much as Kobe? Really? Think about what you're saying for a moment. Sure Westbrook demands some double teams as well, but Kobe demands a double team almost every night unless your team has Tony Allen or Dwayne Wade. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
I also think you're overrating double teams. Kobe doesn't bring the ball up the court with him and get trapped every play of the game, and he isn't fighting for position on the block against 2 guys before he gets the ball. Kobe shoots a lot because that's who he is without a major care to the defense. There have been plenty of superstar players, including some in the league right now that have gotten double teamed a ton and still put up better numbers than Kobe. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On March 31 2012 07:42 Ace wrote: I'm pretty sure I didn't say that. I was illustrating that to say "Defenses focus on Kobe more than they do on Westbrook because he has Durant on his team" is false. Kobe plays with Bynum and Gasol, Westbrook plays with Durant and Harden. All 6 of them are offensively talented so any defense worth their salt is going to double any of them at some point, and realize they have credible bail out options at others. I also think you're overrating double teams. Kobe doesn't bring the ball up the court with him and get trapped every play of the game, and he isn't fighting for position on the block against 2 guys before he gets the ball. Kobe shoots a lot because that's who he is without a major care to the defense. There have been plenty of superstar players, including some in the league right now that have gotten double teamed a ton and still put up better numbers than Kobe. Bynum and Gasol are post threats, thats not quite the same as a bailout options like Durant and Harden who can be available and make plays from anywhere on the court. And I havent missed an OKC game in 3 weeks. I have yet to see Westbrook get the same coverage Kobe does. Thats not to say Westbrook is less of a threat (which he is but thats not the point) rather teams can get away with doing it more with Kobe than Westbrook. And there are very very few teams who can trap Westbrook effectively without getting stung. And stars who get double teamed alot such as Kobe such as ? | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16127 Posts
On March 31 2012 07:42 Ace wrote: I'm pretty sure I didn't say that. I was illustrating that to say "Defenses focus on Kobe more than they do on Westbrook because he has Durant on his team" is false. Kobe plays with Bynum and Gasol, Westbrook plays with Durant and Harden. All 6 of them are offensively talented so any defense worth their salt is going to double any of them at some point, and realize they have credible bail out options at others. I also think you're overrating double teams. Kobe doesn't bring the ball up the court with him and get trapped every play of the game, and he isn't fighting for position on the block against 2 guys before he gets the ball. Kobe shoots a lot because that's who he is without a major care to the defense. There have been plenty of superstar players, including some in the league right now that have gotten double teamed a ton and still put up better numbers than Kobe. Pretty sure the only player that gets double teamed as much as Kobe would be Dwight Howard, and he can put numbers despite the double teams simply because he's a center and he's just plain bigger and stronger than everyone else. Lebron James and Dwayne Wade don't get doubled like he does, why? You can't double one and leave the other with potential open looks. Also, what the guy above me just said is totally accurate. Perhaps now with sessions kobe has a bailout option, but prior to him he has no perimiter bailout which is why when kobe got doubled on the catch there'd almost inevitably be a shot right before a violation unless kobe could somehow get it into the post. Defenses now against the lakers are entirely focused around kobe on the perimiter and then collapsing on Bynum or Gasol if they manage to get it in the post. | ||
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