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On March 14 2012 11:41 nemY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 11:35 RowdierBob wrote:On March 14 2012 11:18 slyboogie wrote:On March 14 2012 11:03 RowdierBob wrote:On March 14 2012 10:52 slyboogie wrote:On March 14 2012 10:47 RowdierBob wrote:
GS was going nowhere with the Curry/Monta core though. They had to choose one and they did. Curry is the better of the two for me and Bogut the defensive anchor they've been looking for. The Warriors must be pretty high on Klay Thompson's future too.
Bogut's elbow is what it is. He's made no secret about it and the Warriors would have known. It will never be 100%, but it doens't keep him from playing games. It has just made his hook shot and FT shooting less reliable.
Monta is an overrated player for me. A true blackhole if ever there was one. The Warriors didn't get Dwight, but still got a comparable elite defensive anchor. Bogut's lack of offense won't be a big an issue with Curry and Lee. He can be the third/fourth option on offence which is better suited to him at this stage.
The trade makes sense for the Warriors. Injuries are the X-factor going forward (Bogut and Curry). The Warriors will be terrible this year now and might be able to keep their pick now from the Jazz (is it top 8 protected?). If they do keep their pick and draft a strong swingman then 2012 is looking pretty strong:
Curry
Thompson/Pick
Wright/Pick
Lee
Bogut Yes. The beauty of this move is that it effectively keeps the 2012 first round pick in the hands of the Warriors. They have an actual vested interest in trading away current wins for future wins. That's to say, Ellis+Udoh is worth more wins than Bogut+SJax today - because neither Bogut or Jackson are playing >_> but Bogut is a better player than Ellis is and is positionally more scarce. I hate tanking in general, but this is not a bad plan. Embrace the tank. I will turn you one day. Jax is irrelevant to this trade really. Bucks wanted to shed his salary and Warriors took him as a means to get Bogut. Jax may play some token minutes for the rest of the season, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's amestied (or wait, I think maybe you can't amesty a traded player? Not sure). Either way, I doubt Jax is part of any plans for the Warriors after this season. Sorry Evil Tanker, SJax is on contract for $10 million for another season after this one. Bwahaha. But yes, if GSW can hit in the lottery 1/2/3 and land Michael Gilchrist or Harrison Barnes or even Perry Jones (total Warriors player - tantalizing and disappointing) at 6-7-8, they should be very happy. It's not gonna make them a Conference Finals team but it should put them in a nice spot. Jax is the bitter pill they need to swallow to get the big man they've wanted for a while. Jax will help the GS tank this year (he's terrible) and at least be an expiring next year to trade for whatever they can get (or just let him walk...). Harrison Barnes would be the ideal player for GS to get, but I doubt they will get a high enough pick to secure him (unless they get Chicago luck in the lottery). GS have definitely upgraded (not sure by how much). It's just a matter of staying healthy for them. That's their big risk factor now. Rumor has it the trade was completed today so the Dubs could try and see if they can move Jax again before the deadline... which begs the question... what can you really get for Stephen Jackson?
He has strategic value as Dwight bait. I'd be calling Orlando or the Nets if I'm GS's GM to see if they're interested in doing something.
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Lebron doing a stay in school ad. What is this world coming to?
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WHO SAID WE NEED DWIGHT HOWARD!
WE HAVE ANDREW BYNUM BABY!
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That Kobe + Pau pick and roll is so hard to defend, teams usually comes off the pick double teaming Kobe, and kobe pass the Pau, then then their 2nd big man will rotate to defend the rolling Pau, and then Pau loop that shit inside to Bynum cause both their bigs are now lured out. Lakers ran this play like 5 times and scored dunks for Bynum all 5 times.
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On March 14 2012 11:52 Ace wrote:
In the finals when Dallas played Zone vs Miami, Miami gave the ball to Wade and he went right to the hoop every time.
Later on, Dallas zoned up on the opposite side of the court and tried to trap Wade when Miami adjusted. He would immediately split the double team on a dribble handoff and go right to the hoop.
This season, Indiana tried to play zone vs Miami a few weeks ago. Miami killed it. With 1 elite slasher (the major weakness of Zone Defense), Mike Miller healthy and Mario Chalmers shooting over 40% for the season from 3 point range why would teams keep zoning up vs Miami? Early this year there were articles about Miami playing badly vs Zone in the finals and look! - no one talks about it anymore because it just doesn't work on them.
I mean just step back for a second here: If the prevailing sentiment is that Miami struggles vs Zone Defense then obviously they would be seeing it every single game all season long. We are assuming most NBA coaches would go for any advantage they can vs Miami correct? Why would Miami only see zone in the playoffs and not now when teams are going to still want to win games?
So again, 2 things..
First, I agree that a brilliant slasher is the best way to crack a zone. But the zone makes it harder for the guy to get to the rim. That's the point of the zone. Someone like Dwyane Wade is great because he doesn't stop trying to penetrate and he is a good enough of a passer to get the ball to someone. And so far, Mike Miller, Lebron James, Mario Chalmers and James Jones are all hitting over 40% on 3s I think. So things look good or at least, gooder, that I can agree with.
But secondly, Miami has clearly struggled against the zone. I don't think this is a truism in any sense. I think Atlanta dropped a zone in Janurary? The offense is just more stagnant. As for why it isn't used, I suspect it's just that the zone isn't really a sustainable plan, so coaches don't coach it regularly, especially in this season, where teams don't practice.
Anyways, it's not like I have any empirical evidence or hours of tape. I just think, from everything I've seen, Miami has performed poorly when they see zone.
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Oh mah gawd. I just realized something terrible. With Udoh gone and Bogut injured for the rest of the year (more or less) the Warriors are going to default back to Biedrins as starting Center. WHAT HAVE THEY DONE?
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GALINARIIIIIIIIIIIII
WOW, WHAT AN ENDING
OT in Denver. 
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On March 14 2012 12:21 Jibba wrote:GALINARIIIIIIIIIIIII WOW, WHAT AN ENDING OT in Denver.
Wow, double OT in memphis, OT in Orlando, down to the last second in OKC and OT in Denver also.
What a night in the NBA.
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Great games today, a ton of super close ones.
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Poor Zaza Pachulia. He was getting abused all night long, and then he misses an open layup for the win.
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life as a warriors fan is so depressing
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On March 14 2012 12:56 JiYan wrote:
life as a warriors fan is so depressing
wth happened to dorrell
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On March 14 2012 13:12 Doraemon wrote:wth happened to dorrell
Mark Jackson, and a decent replacement have cut his minutes, and Dorrell is as streaky as they come, when your coach has little faith, you lose it yourself.
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On March 14 2012 11:52 Ace wrote:
In the finals when Dallas played Zone vs Miami, Miami gave the ball to Wade and he went right to the hoop every time.
Later on, Dallas zoned up on the opposite side of the court and tried to trap Wade when Miami adjusted. He would immediately split the double team on a dribble handoff and go right to the hoop.
This season, Indiana tried to play zone vs Miami a few weeks ago. Miami killed it. With 1 elite slasher (the major weakness of Zone Defense), Mike Miller healthy and Mario Chalmers shooting over 40% for the season from 3 point range why would teams keep zoning up vs Miami? Early this year there were articles about Miami playing badly vs Zone in the finals and look! - no one talks about it anymore because it just doesn't work on them.
I mean just step back for a second here: If the prevailing sentiment is that Miami struggles vs Zone Defense then obviously they would be seeing it every single game all season long. We are assuming most NBA coaches would go for any advantage they can vs Miami correct? Why would Miami only see zone in the playoffs and not now when teams are going to still want to win games?
So again, 2 things..
First, I agree that a brilliant slasher is the best way to crack a zone. But the zone makes it harder for the guy to get to the rim. That's the point of the zone. Someone like Dwyane Wade is great because he doesn't stop trying to penetrate and he is a good enough of a passer to get the ball to someone. And so far, Mike Miller, Lebron James, Mario Chalmers and James Jones are all hitting over 40% on 3s I think. So things look good or at least, gooder, that I can agree with.
But secondly, Miami has clearly struggled against the zone. I don't think this is a truism in any sense. I think Atlanta dropped a zone in Janurary? The offense is just more stagnant. As for why it isn't used, I suspect it's just that the zone isn't really a sustainable plan, so coaches don't coach it regularly, especially in this season, where teams don't practice.
Anyways, it's not like I have any empirical evidence or hours of tape. I just think, from everything I've seen, Miami has performed poorly when they see zone.
You underestimate the Mavs D last year,they switched to Zone in the right moments,and you can´t deny that the matrix is the best wing defender in league.name a better one,really?!
Hell he even shut down Kobe!
Deshawn is also one of the best at that position.
Overall i can´t state enough that the Mavs D last year was impeccable.
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If Bynum stays healthy,he is a monster.
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On March 14 2012 12:20 nemY wrote:
Oh mah gawd. I just realized something terrible. With Udoh gone and Bogut injured for the rest of the year (more or less) the Warriors are going to default back to Biedrins as starting Center. WHAT HAVE THEY DONE?
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It's a good thing. Warriors weren't going anywhere this year anyway. If they suck it up enough now (possible) they can keep their pick. Next season will be the big one for the Warriors.
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Holy shit, Mayo. 25 shots for 14 points. Wow.
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On March 14 2012 13:40 Riskr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 11:52 Ace wrote:
In the finals when Dallas played Zone vs Miami, Miami gave the ball to Wade and he went right to the hoop every time.
Later on, Dallas zoned up on the opposite side of the court and tried to trap Wade when Miami adjusted. He would immediately split the double team on a dribble handoff and go right to the hoop.
This season, Indiana tried to play zone vs Miami a few weeks ago. Miami killed it. With 1 elite slasher (the major weakness of Zone Defense), Mike Miller healthy and Mario Chalmers shooting over 40% for the season from 3 point range why would teams keep zoning up vs Miami? Early this year there were articles about Miami playing badly vs Zone in the finals and look! - no one talks about it anymore because it just doesn't work on them.
I mean just step back for a second here: If the prevailing sentiment is that Miami struggles vs Zone Defense then obviously they would be seeing it every single game all season long. We are assuming most NBA coaches would go for any advantage they can vs Miami correct? Why would Miami only see zone in the playoffs and not now when teams are going to still want to win games?
So again, 2 things..
First, I agree that a brilliant slasher is the best way to crack a zone. But the zone makes it harder for the guy to get to the rim. That's the point of the zone. Someone like Dwyane Wade is great because he doesn't stop trying to penetrate and he is a good enough of a passer to get the ball to someone. And so far, Mike Miller, Lebron James, Mario Chalmers and James Jones are all hitting over 40% on 3s I think. So things look good or at least, gooder, that I can agree with.
But secondly, Miami has clearly struggled against the zone. I don't think this is a truism in any sense. I think Atlanta dropped a zone in Janurary? The offense is just more stagnant. As for why it isn't used, I suspect it's just that the zone isn't really a sustainable plan, so coaches don't coach it regularly, especially in this season, where teams don't practice.
Anyways, it's not like I have any empirical evidence or hours of tape. I just think, from everything I've seen, Miami has performed poorly when they see zone. You underestimate the Mavs D last year,they switched to Zone in the right moments,and you can´t deny that the matrix is the best wing defender in league.name a better one,really?! Hell he even shut down Kobe! Deshawn is also one of the best at that position. Overall i can´t state enough that the Mavs D last year was impeccable.
are you serious? I'd take allen, deng, lebron, and moute over marion x.x and all of them have a better looking j.
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Bogut for Monta is a great trade for the warriors. The warriors weren't going anywhere with monta as their best player and they needed to break up the steph/monta combo. As much as I loved monta, he needed to go if the team was to progress.
On the other hand, giving up udoh, who in my opinion, will be an excellent defender and backup big similiar to collison, for jackson is a terrible part of the trade. Jackson's + biedrins contract is going to suck for the next 3 year.
It is tough to see monta go. He has always been so fun to watch
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