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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 14 2012 01:54 GMT
#4641
wait wtf?! Lebron started off well but he's 7 for 20?!

Holy crap wtf happened?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
ranshaked
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 01:57:09
March 14 2012 01:55 GMT
#4642
On March 14 2012 10:54 Ace wrote:
wait wtf?! Lebron started off well but he's 7 for 20?!

Holy crap wtf happened?

magic defense is on point this game.
The heat have also forced so many turnovers, they are lucky howard is shooting so bad from the line

Magic beat both chicago indiana and the heat in succession! I hate how people say the magic aren't an elite team!
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 01:56:51
March 14 2012 01:56 GMT
#4643
On March 14 2012 10:52 VENDIZ wrote:
If Howard had shot FTs like he did vs. Chicago this game would've been over ages ago..

If Howard had shot 50% from the stripe this game would've been over ages ago...

I'm glad the Magic were able to win though.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 14 2012 01:58 GMT
#4644
On March 14 2012 10:55 ranshaked wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 10:54 Ace wrote:
wait wtf?! Lebron started off well but he's 7 for 20?!

Holy crap wtf happened?

magic defense is on point this game.
The heat have also forced so many turnovers, they are lucky howard is shooting so bad from the line

Magic beat both chicago indiana and the heat in succession! I hate how people say the magic aren't an elite team!


Because they aren't an elite team.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
ranshaked
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States870 Posts
March 14 2012 02:01 GMT
#4645
On March 14 2012 10:58 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 10:55 ranshaked wrote:
On March 14 2012 10:54 Ace wrote:
wait wtf?! Lebron started off well but he's 7 for 20?!

Holy crap wtf happened?

magic defense is on point this game.
The heat have also forced so many turnovers, they are lucky howard is shooting so bad from the line

Magic beat both chicago indiana and the heat in succession! I hate how people say the magic aren't an elite team!


Because they aren't an elite team.
How can you say they aren't an elite team lol?
They've beaten the heat twice now, they just beat chicago etc...And this is all without richardson who is injured o.0
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13537 Posts
March 14 2012 02:03 GMT
#4646
On March 14 2012 10:52 slyboogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 10:47 RowdierBob wrote:
GS was going nowhere with the Curry/Monta core though. They had to choose one and they did. Curry is the better of the two for me and Bogut the defensive anchor they've been looking for. The Warriors must be pretty high on Klay Thompson's future too.

Bogut's elbow is what it is. He's made no secret about it and the Warriors would have known. It will never be 100%, but it doens't keep him from playing games. It has just made his hook shot and FT shooting less reliable.

Monta is an overrated player for me. A true blackhole if ever there was one. The Warriors didn't get Dwight, but still got a comparable elite defensive anchor. Bogut's lack of offense won't be a big an issue with Curry and Lee. He can be the third/fourth option on offence which is better suited to him at this stage.

The trade makes sense for the Warriors. Injuries are the X-factor going forward (Bogut and Curry). The Warriors will be terrible this year now and might be able to keep their pick now from the Jazz (is it top 8 protected?). If they do keep their pick and draft a strong swingman then 2012 is looking pretty strong:

Curry
Thompson/Pick
Wright/Pick
Lee
Bogut


Yes. The beauty of this move is that it effectively keeps the 2012 first round pick in the hands of the Warriors. They have an actual vested interest in trading away current wins for future wins. That's to say, Ellis+Udoh is worth more wins than Bogut+SJax today - because neither Bogut or Jackson are playing >_> but Bogut is a better player than Ellis is and is positionally more scarce.

I hate tanking in general, but this is not a bad plan.


Embrace the tank. I will turn you one day.

Jax is irrelevant to this trade really. Bucks wanted to shed his salary and Warriors took him as a means to get Bogut. Jax may play some token minutes for the rest of the season, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's amestied (or wait, I think maybe you can't amesty a traded player? Not sure). Either way, I doubt Jax is part of any plans for the Warriors after this season.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 02:05:29
March 14 2012 02:04 GMT
#4647
Is Milwaukee elite? What about Utah? The Clippers? Elite means being dominant through out the season. Are you really saying that Orlando is on par with Miami/Chicago/and even OKC?

On March 14 2012 11:03 RowdierBob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 10:52 slyboogie wrote:
On March 14 2012 10:47 RowdierBob wrote:
GS was going nowhere with the Curry/Monta core though. They had to choose one and they did. Curry is the better of the two for me and Bogut the defensive anchor they've been looking for. The Warriors must be pretty high on Klay Thompson's future too.

Bogut's elbow is what it is. He's made no secret about it and the Warriors would have known. It will never be 100%, but it doens't keep him from playing games. It has just made his hook shot and FT shooting less reliable.

Monta is an overrated player for me. A true blackhole if ever there was one. The Warriors didn't get Dwight, but still got a comparable elite defensive anchor. Bogut's lack of offense won't be a big an issue with Curry and Lee. He can be the third/fourth option on offence which is better suited to him at this stage.

The trade makes sense for the Warriors. Injuries are the X-factor going forward (Bogut and Curry). The Warriors will be terrible this year now and might be able to keep their pick now from the Jazz (is it top 8 protected?). If they do keep their pick and draft a strong swingman then 2012 is looking pretty strong:

Curry
Thompson/Pick
Wright/Pick
Lee
Bogut


Yes. The beauty of this move is that it effectively keeps the 2012 first round pick in the hands of the Warriors. They have an actual vested interest in trading away current wins for future wins. That's to say, Ellis+Udoh is worth more wins than Bogut+SJax today - because neither Bogut or Jackson are playing >_> but Bogut is a better player than Ellis is and is positionally more scarce.

I hate tanking in general, but this is not a bad plan.


Embrace the tank. I will turn you one day.

Jax is irrelevant to this trade really. Bucks wanted to shed his salary and Warriors took him as a means to get Bogut. Jax may play some token minutes for the rest of the season, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's amestied (or wait, I think maybe you can't amesty a traded player? Not sure). Either way, I doubt Jax is part of any plans for the Warriors after this season.


yep, can't amnesty a recently acquired player via trade.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
March 14 2012 02:05 GMT
#4648
The Warriors already used their amnesty... because they suck.
VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
March 14 2012 02:06 GMT
#4649
On March 14 2012 11:04 Ace wrote:
Is Milwaukee elite? What about Utah? The Clippers? Elite means being dominant through out the season. Are you really saying that Orlando is on par with Miami/Chicago/and even OKC?

Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 11:03 RowdierBob wrote:
On March 14 2012 10:52 slyboogie wrote:
On March 14 2012 10:47 RowdierBob wrote:
GS was going nowhere with the Curry/Monta core though. They had to choose one and they did. Curry is the better of the two for me and Bogut the defensive anchor they've been looking for. The Warriors must be pretty high on Klay Thompson's future too.

Bogut's elbow is what it is. He's made no secret about it and the Warriors would have known. It will never be 100%, but it doens't keep him from playing games. It has just made his hook shot and FT shooting less reliable.

Monta is an overrated player for me. A true blackhole if ever there was one. The Warriors didn't get Dwight, but still got a comparable elite defensive anchor. Bogut's lack of offense won't be a big an issue with Curry and Lee. He can be the third/fourth option on offence which is better suited to him at this stage.

The trade makes sense for the Warriors. Injuries are the X-factor going forward (Bogut and Curry). The Warriors will be terrible this year now and might be able to keep their pick now from the Jazz (is it top 8 protected?). If they do keep their pick and draft a strong swingman then 2012 is looking pretty strong:

Curry
Thompson/Pick
Wright/Pick
Lee
Bogut


Yes. The beauty of this move is that it effectively keeps the 2012 first round pick in the hands of the Warriors. They have an actual vested interest in trading away current wins for future wins. That's to say, Ellis+Udoh is worth more wins than Bogut+SJax today - because neither Bogut or Jackson are playing >_> but Bogut is a better player than Ellis is and is positionally more scarce.

I hate tanking in general, but this is not a bad plan.


Embrace the tank. I will turn you one day.

Jax is irrelevant to this trade really. Bucks wanted to shed his salary and Warriors took him as a means to get Bogut. Jax may play some token minutes for the rest of the season, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's amestied (or wait, I think maybe you can't amesty a traded player? Not sure). Either way, I doubt Jax is part of any plans for the Warriors after this season.


yep, can't amnesty a recently acquired player via trade.



Dooooooood! The Bobcats beat Orlando! By logic Bobcats > Orlando > Miami > Chicago
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 02:07:47
March 14 2012 02:06 GMT
#4650
is linsanity over? have not heard much about him lately
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 14 2012 02:07 GMT
#4651
wait what? Memphis doesn't have Rudy Gay in and the Lakers aren't annihilating them?

(looks at Metta World Peace 0/5)

I feel really bad for Kobe some nights.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
ranshaked
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 02:10:02
March 14 2012 02:09 GMT
#4652
On March 14 2012 11:04 Ace wrote:
Is Milwaukee elite? What about Utah? The Clippers? Elite means being dominant through out the season. Are you really saying that Orlando is on par with Miami/Chicago/and even OKC?

Yeah, their record proves it o.0 The magic are the 3rd best team in the east and 5th best team overall...

I'd go like this:
Oklahoma
Chicago
Heat
Magic
Lakers
Clippers
Atlanta

They are a top 5 team. The clippers are too young/inexperienced. Utah has no chance (they aren't going to make playoffs)...The magic have destroyed milwaukee 3 times this year. It hasn't even been a game yet.

Oklahoma is definitely IMO the best team. THey have the most energy, but they play basically no defense. Chicago has the best overall lineup, but the heat can go on a run if lebron and wade light up. The magic are deep as shit, and if they nail 3's they are unbeatable.

Vendiz: That was a fluke, come on now lol. How can it be a fluke for the magic to beat the heat twice?
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 02:12:11
March 14 2012 02:09 GMT
#4653
The Magic definitely show up for the Heat but they have a lot of weird losses and I don't think they can beat the Sixers or the Pacers in a series. They give the Heat a tough time because the Heat's biggest weaknesses are defending the 3 and rebounding, which are the Magic's strength so strangely enough, the Heat might actually be one of their best matchups in the playoffs. That doesn't mean they can beat the other 1-5 teams though.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
manicsquare
Profile Joined June 2010
176 Posts
March 14 2012 02:09 GMT
#4654
On March 14 2012 11:07 Ace wrote:
wait what? Memphis doesn't have Rudy Gay in and the Lakers aren't annihilating them?

(looks at Metta World Peace 0/5)

I feel really bad for Kobe some nights.


Yeah Gay is out due to having concussion symptoms. Also while talking about injuries Randolph is out for at least another game T.T. Speights is really stepping up for us tonight though.
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
March 14 2012 02:10 GMT
#4655
On March 14 2012 11:06 jax1492 wrote:
is linsanity over? have not heard much about him lately


He had to take a break to go kill zombies in "The Walking Dead".

Jussssst kiddddddddddding.

Regression to the mean... actually I think Amare and Melo are killing his mojo? but still did people really expect him to be elite all year?
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
March 14 2012 02:12 GMT
#4656
On March 14 2012 11:09 ranshaked wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 11:04 Ace wrote:
Is Milwaukee elite? What about Utah? The Clippers? Elite means being dominant through out the season. Are you really saying that Orlando is on par with Miami/Chicago/and even OKC?

Yeah, their record proves it o.0 The magic are the 3rd best team in the east and 5th best team overall...

I'd go like this:
Oklahoma
Chicago
Heat
Magic
Lakers
Clippers
Atlanta

They are a top 5 team. The clippers are too young/inexperienced. Utah has no chance (they aren't going to make playoffs)...The magic have destroyed milwaukee 3 times this year. It hasn't even been a game yet.

Oklahoma is definitely IMO the best team. THey have the most energy, but they play basically no defense. Chicago has the best overall lineup, but the heat can go on a run if lebron and wade light up. The magic are deep as shit, and if they nail 3's they are unbeatable.

Vendiz: That was a fluke, come on now lol. How can it be a fluke for the magic to beat the heat twice?


OKC plays average defense, they're long and help each other, that's basically defense.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
March 14 2012 02:15 GMT
#4657
I can't take list serious that omits memphis and the spurs while having atlanta
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 02:20:24
March 14 2012 02:16 GMT
#4658
On March 14 2012 11:09 ranshaked wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 11:04 Ace wrote:
Is Milwaukee elite? What about Utah? The Clippers? Elite means being dominant through out the season. Are you really saying that Orlando is on par with Miami/Chicago/and even OKC?

Yeah, their record proves it o.0 The magic are the 3rd best team in the east and 5th best team overall...

I'd go like this:
Oklahoma
Chicago
Heat
Magic
Lakers
Clippers
Atlanta

They are a top 5 team. The clippers are too young/inexperienced. Utah has no chance (they aren't going to make playoffs)...The magic have destroyed milwaukee 3 times this year. It hasn't even been a game yet.

Oklahoma is definitely IMO the best team. THey have the most energy, but they play basically no defense. Chicago has the best overall lineup, but the heat can go on a run if lebron and wade light up. The magic are deep as shit, and if they nail 3's they are unbeatable.

Vendiz: That was a fluke, come on now lol. How can it be a fluke for the magic to beat the heat twice?


Record != being elite. Orlando is definitely NOT a deep team. I mean seriously...it took a career night from Jameer Nelson and a lot of terrible play from Miami role players and now they are elite?

On March 14 2012 11:09 Jibba wrote:
The Magic definitely show up for the Heat but they have a lot of weird losses and I don't think they can beat the Sixers or the Pacers in a series. They give the Heat a tough time because the Heat's biggest weaknesses are defending the 3 and rebounding, which are the Magic's strength so strangely enough, the Heat might actually be one of their best matchups in the playoffs. That doesn't mean they can beat the other 1-5 teams though.


Actually Orlando matches up with them pretty bad. Wade has always killed that team, and Lebron has always chewed up Turk. The only issue I see for Miami in a series vs Orlando is their role players being bad. Any time Dexter Pittman enters the game I act like it's a Juwan Howard sighting and assume Miami will lose.

On March 14 2012 11:10 nemY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 11:06 jax1492 wrote:
is linsanity over? have not heard much about him lately


He had to take a break to go kill zombies in "The Walking Dead".

Jussssst kiddddddddddding.

Regression to the mean... actually I think Amare and Melo are killing his mojo? but still did people really expect him to be elite all year?


Last night vs Chicago he was playing really well. However some questionable decisions by Baron Davis and some others killed the team.

When Amar'e got hot they stopped passing him the ball. I mean, it's only Carlos Boozer defending him.

Melo in the post vs some small defender and they don't give him the rock.

Speaking of Melo, with Luol Deng out with an injury he ended up going 8 for 21. That's the kind of shit that made me say NY was stupid for trading for him. He's just not efficient at all and it's REALLY killing their offense. People can blame D'Antoni all they want but it's been 2 half seasons now and when Carmelo Anthony is not in a Knicks uniform the offense is way, way better.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
March 14 2012 02:18 GMT
#4659
On March 14 2012 11:03 RowdierBob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 10:52 slyboogie wrote:
On March 14 2012 10:47 RowdierBob wrote:
GS was going nowhere with the Curry/Monta core though. They had to choose one and they did. Curry is the better of the two for me and Bogut the defensive anchor they've been looking for. The Warriors must be pretty high on Klay Thompson's future too.

Bogut's elbow is what it is. He's made no secret about it and the Warriors would have known. It will never be 100%, but it doens't keep him from playing games. It has just made his hook shot and FT shooting less reliable.

Monta is an overrated player for me. A true blackhole if ever there was one. The Warriors didn't get Dwight, but still got a comparable elite defensive anchor. Bogut's lack of offense won't be a big an issue with Curry and Lee. He can be the third/fourth option on offence which is better suited to him at this stage.

The trade makes sense for the Warriors. Injuries are the X-factor going forward (Bogut and Curry). The Warriors will be terrible this year now and might be able to keep their pick now from the Jazz (is it top 8 protected?). If they do keep their pick and draft a strong swingman then 2012 is looking pretty strong:

Curry
Thompson/Pick
Wright/Pick
Lee
Bogut


Yes. The beauty of this move is that it effectively keeps the 2012 first round pick in the hands of the Warriors. They have an actual vested interest in trading away current wins for future wins. That's to say, Ellis+Udoh is worth more wins than Bogut+SJax today - because neither Bogut or Jackson are playing >_> but Bogut is a better player than Ellis is and is positionally more scarce.

I hate tanking in general, but this is not a bad plan.


Embrace the tank. I will turn you one day.

Jax is irrelevant to this trade really. Bucks wanted to shed his salary and Warriors took him as a means to get Bogut. Jax may play some token minutes for the rest of the season, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's amestied (or wait, I think maybe you can't amesty a traded player? Not sure). Either way, I doubt Jax is part of any plans for the Warriors after this season.


Sorry Evil Tanker, SJax is on contract for $10 million for another season after this one. Bwahaha.

But yes, if GSW can hit in the lottery 1/2/3 and land Michael Gilchrist or Harrison Barnes or even Perry Jones (total Warriors player - tantalizing and disappointing) at 6-7-8, they should be very happy. It's not gonna make them a Conference Finals team but it should put them in a nice spot.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
ranshaked
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States870 Posts
March 14 2012 02:20 GMT
#4660
On March 14 2012 11:16 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 11:09 ranshaked wrote:
On March 14 2012 11:04 Ace wrote:
Is Milwaukee elite? What about Utah? The Clippers? Elite means being dominant through out the season. Are you really saying that Orlando is on par with Miami/Chicago/and even OKC?

Yeah, their record proves it o.0 The magic are the 3rd best team in the east and 5th best team overall...

I'd go like this:
Oklahoma
Chicago
Heat
Magic
Lakers
Clippers
Atlanta

They are a top 5 team. The clippers are too young/inexperienced. Utah has no chance (they aren't going to make playoffs)...The magic have destroyed milwaukee 3 times this year. It hasn't even been a game yet.

Oklahoma is definitely IMO the best team. THey have the most energy, but they play basically no defense. Chicago has the best overall lineup, but the heat can go on a run if lebron and wade light up. The magic are deep as shit, and if they nail 3's they are unbeatable.

Vendiz: That was a fluke, come on now lol. How can it be a fluke for the magic to beat the heat twice?


Record != being elite. Orlando is definitely NOT a deep team. I mean seriously...it took a career night from Jameer Nelson and a lot of terrible play from Miami role players and now they are elite?

Wait what!? They've got JJ and Ryan anderson/big baby coming off the bench...I still wish they had gortat, but that's a damn good two players right there. Both could start for a lot of NBA teams. Jameer Nelson has played garbage the entire year, but maybe this is him getting back to his old 15pts 6assists type of play. Who knows? Miami HAS no role players. They have 3 players. Bosh, Wade, Lebron.

Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 11:09 Jibba wrote:
The Magic definitely show up for the Heat but they have a lot of weird losses and I don't think they can beat the Sixers or the Pacers in a series. They give the Heat a tough time because the Heat's biggest weaknesses are defending the 3 and rebounding, which are the Magic's strength so strangely enough, the Heat might actually be one of their best matchups in the playoffs. That doesn't mean they can beat the other 1-5 teams though.



Actually Orlando matches up with them pretty bad. Wade has always killed that team, and Lebron has always chewed up Turk. The only issue I see for Miami in a series vs Orlando is their role players being bad. Any time Dexter Pittman enters the game I act like it's a Juwan Howard sighting and assume Miami will lose.


The magic match up worst with the atlanta hawks, the past two years have proven this. Out of the top teams, the magic best match up with the heat.
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