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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 14 2012 12:10 GMT
#4721
Not surprised. The day they traded for Melo the Knicks future was ruined. Only the foolish thought that adding ~25PPG on 45% shooting on that high usage rate would lead to an improved offense. The team looked so much better when Amar'e was their #1 guy.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Riskr
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany403 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 12:26:16
March 14 2012 12:22 GMT
#4722
@Ace
I agree that Wade is a problem for any defense.
He is even better then Lebron if you ask me.(now let the real flaming begin...)
Dirk is decent as a defender,altough he made huge steps since he came to the league,but has major flaws in his footwork,positioning and commitment.(and yes i say that as a total fanboy).
But he is smart,savvy and nobody can deny that he tries and WORKS.
About the other guys you mentioned,yes they are great,even special.
As is Marion,maybe he doesnt get the credit,cause all jump on the bandwagon that Cuban wants to sell him 4 high stakes and praise him to far.
They are right to a certain degree(would be stupid otherwise),but talking down his work and skills is not fair.
I give the edge to Iggy over Marion,but considering Moute or Allen,I`m not convinced.
Kyle Lowry and Mike Conley truly not (call me biased on that one).
Rondo is another story,as is Deng.
Perhaps Ibaka,but I would count him as post defender.

Ain´t no mind to the battles you´ve won!
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13430 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 12:38:16
March 14 2012 12:37 GMT
#4723
The Knicks are faltering in so many areas. Call me out if you think I'm wrong, but IMO they really need to:

* Choose between Melo and Amare as the #1 option and go from there.

* If it were me, I'd be flipping Melo to someone like Philly for a package of Iggy, Evan Turner (or maybe Jodie Meeks) and Nicola Vucevic (haven't really done too much due diligence on this--just a thought).

* If you're going to flip Amare then hmmm, I'm not quite sure. Houston seem to always be shopping Kevin Martin and Scola, but I'm not sure that's a great return for Melo. They may have to, ironically, give the Knicks their pick back in that sort of package too.

* If you're going to keep Melo, D'Antoni has to go IMO. D'Antoni systems and Melo just don't mix.

"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 14 2012 12:42 GMT
#4724

* If you're going to keep Melo, D'Antoni has to go IMO. D'Antoni systems and Melo just don't mix.


and to think D'Antoni was happy with the team he had BEFORE Melo! Donnie Walsh leaves, Melo comes in, and now the Knicks are ruined for another few years - again!. All because Jimmy James Dolan wanted Melo no matter what.

This team is the fucking poster child for what happens when the Front Office/Owner can't assess value correctly. D'Antoni is going to be the fall guy and now they are clamoring for Phil Jackson as if he could fix this mess.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
x2fst
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
1272 Posts
March 14 2012 12:56 GMT
#4725
dantoni should be the fall guy, his entire career has consisted of riding nash's coattails
muda, is a crime for me to wear a shirt, cos I is so good lookin
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
March 14 2012 13:36 GMT
#4726
On March 14 2012 21:56 x2fst wrote:
dantoni should be the fall guy, his entire career has consisted of riding nash's coattails


Kinda like....Marion, Joe Johnson, Amare, Barbosa, Diaw and Q Rich.

Might have left out a few.....
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
March 14 2012 14:49 GMT
#4727
On March 14 2012 21:56 x2fst wrote:
dantoni should be the fall guy, his entire career has consisted of riding nash's coattails

The Knicks weren't bad last year though, and that WAS D'Antoni's style. Now they're a slow half court team with a high % of P&R.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
March 14 2012 16:39 GMT
#4728
they already paid to much for melo, and from a company standpoint his ROI is still good, although lins is better. they might as well ride out another season with this lineup before blowing it up, and see if a new coach, and some decent practice time can evolve them into a scary team.


maybe they already sold enough melo jerseys, so they are making other players play good so their jerseys get sold. psuedo tanking for the best ROI.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 16:55:32
March 14 2012 16:54 GMT
#4729
It's not a good ROI from next year onward. The dollar value of EVERY player is going to go down now, regardless of what their relative value is. Spending 20 million a year on a single player wasn't a big issue this year and before, but it's going to be a big issue next year. That's the exact reason the Mavs let Chandler go. Not that they didn't think they could repeat but because they knew under the new CBA, he wasn't worth that much anymore.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 17:09:29
March 14 2012 17:04 GMT
#4730
sure, but that's insinuating that melo isn't worth well over 20mill to the organization in the first place. and I'd argue that his brand recognition may not be as good as lbj, it is definitely worth more per year than his paycheck, as with every superstar.


chandler doesn't have this brand recognition, at all, so its hard to compare their contracts. especially because superstar + big market, compared to defensive cornerstone + highest paid team in the league
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
March 14 2012 18:11 GMT
#4731
please please nets make an offer for dwight
i would very much enjoy watching that team play
starleague forever
VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
March 14 2012 18:20 GMT
#4732
Hmm, according to league sources the Knicks and D'Antoni have reached a "mutual agreement" that he will no longer coach the New York Knicks.. I honestly think it's more the players fault than D'Antoni really :\
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
March 14 2012 18:21 GMT
#4733
Holy shit that blew up fast.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
March 14 2012 18:27 GMT
#4734
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/14/report-mike-dantoni-resigns-as-coach-of-new-york-knicks/

Wow...
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
March 14 2012 18:30 GMT
#4735
.. and not unexpected Jerry Sloan & Phil Jacksons name is popping up everywhere
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 14 2012 18:31 GMT
#4736
On March 15 2012 03:30 VENDIZ wrote:
.. and not unexpected Jerry Sloan & Phil Jacksons name is popping up everywhere

not surprised something had to change, but lol these names
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
March 14 2012 18:39 GMT
#4737
stay classy, knickerbockers.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
March 14 2012 18:42 GMT
#4738
hoping for jerry sloan
coolcrimefighter
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States378 Posts
March 14 2012 18:52 GMT
#4739
let lin hire the new coach, trade melo for garnett's expiring contract. Then sign lin to a max deal and then build around lin. PROFIT
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
March 14 2012 18:57 GMT
#4740
What's hilarious to me is Melo's explanation for not joining the huddle after the third quarter the other night. He says it's not a big deal because he usually doesn't join the huddle, but that's exactly what the big deal is.
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