EPTAnd fuck off, Isaiah. I don't want part 3.
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GARO
United States2255 Posts
And fuck off, Isaiah. I don't want part 3. | ||
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Phelix
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Kazeyonoma
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GARO
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tbeen
Germany98 Posts
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
On March 15 2012 06:14 tbeen wrote: Can someone explain the whole situation between D'Antoni and Amare/ Carmelo to me ? And what history does Woodson have ? its just people speculating, they don't hace any of their rumors confirmed. woodson used to coach the hawks but was notorious for letting joe johnson, josh smith and jamal crawford go iso offense. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On March 15 2012 06:14 tbeen wrote: Can someone explain the whole situation between D'Antoni and Amare/ Carmelo to me ? And what history does Woodson have ? No one knows for sure, and Carmelo and Amare have said there's no 'real issue', but the idea is that while Carmelo (and to a lesser extent Amare) was out with injury, Jeremy Lin played the offensive strategy that D'Antoni is famous for executing; aka 'Run'. He did it for Phoenix with Nash at the helm, and Amare is familiar with it. They spread the floor, let the PG move the ball up the court with very fast pace, try to feed the cutting big, and if he's not available, toss it to a wing who's planted on the 3 to fire the ball. The idea is you keep the pace fast enough to not let the defense establish themselves, especially not in the low post. The problem though is, this doesn't allow the ball to stay in any 1 person's hands very long except for the PG who's pushing the offense up court. Carmelo is an isolation player. He creates his own shots, and isn't particularly good at slashing under the basket, nor catching and shooting. So when Carmelo came back from his injury, it makes sense to give the ball to him since he's arguably the best player on the floor, but instead of running the offense, he instead stands at his favorite spot (one of most ISO players) which is above the elbow, where he can try to create his own shot. This creates problems in the D'Antoni system because it 1) slows down the pace, which allows defenses to shore up, and 2) it creates a clusterfuck and takes away passing lanes to get to the open wing shooter or cutting big. Now after having lost a butt ton of games with Melo being back, and EVERYONE's numbers down (lin, amare, chandler, novak, shumpert) it's very apparent that Melo has sucked the life out of the offense, and this team's spirit. But because Melo is the hot commodity that the owner blew up the team for, he's getting his way. Baron Davis is also complaining about minutes, and he's too old to run a fast paced offense, so I think a combination of knowing that the owners won't stand for Melo to be overly benched, and the infighting between player and coach. D'Antoni said 'fuck this, i'm out, i don't need this shit'. Amare hasn't really been a problem really, he loves them lob passes. Woodson used to be a coach a while ago, but to not much success, i don't know enough about him to fill you in, but he's likely just there as a temp coach until they can find someone else to snatch up, rumors right now are flying for Phil Jackson and Jerry Sloan (both of which are like 99% unlikely). | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On March 15 2012 06:14 tbeen wrote: Can someone explain the whole situation between D'Antoni and Amare/ Carmelo to me ? And what history does Woodson have ? i think its like this ny pay big bucks for melo (and chandler) melo doesnt mesh with dantoni coaching style dantoni can work best with bench line (im sure everyone noticed knicks bench putting up bigger numbers than starters) whats a knicks GM to do? keep melo, or keep dantoni? whole situation is laughable. trade melo for deron and virutally all knicks problems are solved. | ||
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chennis
Taiwan227 Posts
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On March 15 2012 06:28 chennis wrote: Don't forget that this was't the lineup the D'Antonio wanted in the first place, and that knicks pretty much traded all their young developing talents for melo. (gallo, felton, mozgov, wilson chandler was prob gonna walk so i'll leave him out). tbh i don't think i've ever heard someone call felton a 'young developing talent' but yeah i agree =P | ||
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chennis
Taiwan227 Posts
On March 15 2012 06:31 Kazeyonoma wrote: tbh i don't think i've ever heard someone call felton a 'young developing talent' but yeah i agree =P Okay, fine. He had the benefit of playing in D'Antonio's system =] haha. but at least he was.... serviceable. | ||
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tbeen
Germany98 Posts
On March 15 2012 06:22 Kazeyonoma wrote: No one knows for sure, and Carmelo and Amare have said there's no 'real issue', but the idea is that while Carmelo (and to a lesser extent Amare) was out with injury, Jeremy Lin played the offensive strategy that D'Antoni is famous for executing; aka 'Run'. He did it for Phoenix with Nash at the helm, and Amare is familiar with it. They spread the floor, let the PG move the ball up the court with very fast pace, try to feed the cutting big, and if he's not available, toss it to a wing who's planted on the 3 to fire the ball. The idea is you keep the pace fast enough to not let the defense establish themselves, especially not in the low post. The problem though is, this doesn't allow the ball to stay in any 1 person's hands very long except for the PG who's pushing the offense up court. Carmelo is an isolation player. He creates his own shots, and isn't particularly good at slashing under the basket, nor catching and shooting. So when Carmelo came back from his injury, it makes sense to give the ball to him since he's arguably the best player on the floor, but instead of running the offense, he instead stands at his favorite spot (one of most ISO players) which is above the elbow, where he can try to create his own shot. This creates problems in the D'Antoni system because it 1) slows down the pace, which allows defenses to shore up, and 2) it creates a clusterfuck and takes away passing lanes to get to the open wing shooter or cutting big. Now after having lost a butt ton of games with Melo being back, and EVERYONE's numbers down (lin, amare, chandler, novak, shumpert) it's very apparent that Melo has sucked the life out of the offense, and this team's spirit. But because Melo is the hot commodity that the owner blew up the team for, he's getting his way. Baron Davis is also complaining about minutes, and he's too old to run a fast paced offense, so I think a combination of knowing that the owners won't stand for Melo to be overly benched, and the infighting between player and coach. D'Antoni said 'fuck this, i'm out, i don't need this shit'. Amare hasn't really been a problem really, he loves them lob passes. Woodson used to be a coach a while ago, but to not much success, i don't know enough about him to fill you in, but he's likely just there as a temp coach until they can find someone else to snatch up, rumors right now are flying for Phil Jackson and Jerry Sloan (both of which are like 99% unlikely). Thank you. Now things start to make sense  | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
Tell me again you wouldn't do that trade in a heart beat. Let me say it again Gallo and Wilson Chandler for Billups and Carmelo Anthony. Just let that sink in for a second. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On March 15 2012 06:31 Kazeyonoma wrote: tbh i don't think i've ever heard someone call felton a 'young developing talent' but yeah i agree =P Ace prob did...he loves Felton.  lolChandler and Melo for D12 is the best one I've readI think. Don't see why they wouldn't if they could. | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On March 15 2012 06:14 tbeen wrote: Can someone explain the whole situation between D'Antoni and Amare/ Carmelo to me ? And what history does Woodson have ? Carmelo doesn't know how to play team basketball A'mare is just plain bad now and will deteriorate fast D'antoni is a weak head coach and doesn't know how to coach defense despite D'antoni not being a good head coach and Melo/A'mare having too much of an ego to hustle and play team ball, the true blame for the current Knicks situation are poor decisions from the Knicks front office/ownership firing D'antoni will appease Melo until today's game where they'll probably lose and then Melo will realize he no longer has a scapegoat | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On March 15 2012 06:38 Holcan wrote: Pretty sure Mozgov is a nobody now as well, so the Knicks only gave up Gallo and Wilson Chandler for Melo and Chauncey Billups. Tell me again you wouldn't do that trade in a heart beat. Let me say it again Gallo and Wilson Chandler for Billups and Carmelo Anthony. Just let that sink in for a second. Because the majority of Donnie Walsh's work was clearing cap space and bad contracts from the previous era. And in one fell swoop they put themselves in the gutter again. He takes blame for Amare too, but they were going to be 18 million under the cap with a >.500 team. That's a good place to be. | ||
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chennis
Taiwan227 Posts
On March 15 2012 06:38 Holcan wrote: Pretty sure Mozgov is a nobody now as well, so the Knicks only gave up Gallo and Wilson Chandler for Melo and Chauncey Billups. Tell me again you wouldn't do that trade in a heart beat. Let me say it again Gallo and Wilson Chandler for Billups and Carmelo Anthony. Just let that sink in for a second. Maybe because melo made it pretty clear that he was gonna walk in free agency? It wasn't exactly a secret that he wanted out and would very well prefer to play in his hometown in NY. But instead Knicks decide to trade away like half of their team instead of waiting 4 months. Not to mention then they decided to amnesty billups... But my point wasn't about whether or not I would make the trade, it's that this leaves D'Antonio with a roster he doesn't like and doesn't really fit his system ... | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On March 15 2012 06:38 Holcan wrote: Pretty sure Mozgov is a nobody now as well, so the Knicks only gave up Gallo and Wilson Chandler for Melo and Chauncey Billups. Tell me again you wouldn't do that trade in a heart beat. Let me say it again Gallo and Wilson Chandler for Billups and Carmelo Anthony. Just let that sink in for a second. Considering they were winning with Gallo and Chandler and then made the trade and got knocked out of the playoff hunt... and then are firmly entrenched in a playoff spot this y- oh wait. Just let that sink in for a second. Edit: D'Antoni, on the other hand, promises to be in high demand at the end of this season. He should become an obvious candidate to take over the Wizards, where his offense would surely bring out the best in John Wall, the frustrated point guard who was the No. 1 pick overall in 2010. If they'll fookin fire Grunfeld and cut half the roster, that'd be awesome. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On March 15 2012 06:38 Holcan wrote: Pretty sure Mozgov is a nobody now as well, so the Knicks only gave up Gallo and Wilson Chandler for Melo and Chauncey Billups. Tell me again you wouldn't do that trade in a heart beat. Let me say it again Gallo and Wilson Chandler for Billups and Carmelo Anthony. Just let that sink in for a second. I wouldn't. And I said it before the trade happened | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13537 Posts
Also not entirely convinced by Minny's play for Crawford. He's on a reasonable contract I guess, but I doubt he is the wing upgrade they need. Flip Beasley (if the Lakers do really want him) for Walton's expiring and make a play for Ray Ray in FA? Wolves aren't making noise this year anyway (especially with Rubio gone now). | ||
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