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zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 23:49:02
March 14 2012 23:48 GMT
#4781
indy vs philly on espn tonight. everybody watch!

edit: d'antoni for the wiz should be excellent. he could teach javale how to run a proper pnr, for example.
I AM THE UNIVERSAL CONSTANT
buickskylark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada664 Posts
March 14 2012 23:51 GMT
#4782
knicks look sharp
buickskylark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada664 Posts
March 14 2012 23:53 GMT
#4783
and by sharp i mean like butter knife through room temperature butter.
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
March 15 2012 00:09 GMT
#4784
Blazers playing like ass

they must have lost the D'antoni pool
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
March 15 2012 00:24 GMT
#4785
Portland is supposed to be this bad...right?
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
buickskylark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada664 Posts
March 15 2012 00:26 GMT
#4786
msg is dead quite right now.
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1101 Posts
March 15 2012 00:26 GMT
#4787
Damn, i wanted the Knicks to loose so hard tonight...
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
March 15 2012 00:28 GMT
#4788
why doesn't anyone remember that the knicks weren't a contender before trade last year? were they even .500? does anyone know? they had to make something happen, it just didn't pan out as planned.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13537 Posts
March 15 2012 00:29 GMT
#4789
Per Hollinger:

Fact: Carmelo Anthony and Amare Stoudemire are in decline. I predict a coaching change won't cure that problem.

D'Antoni's ouster (technically, he resigned) is something of a last gasp to rescue what is rapidly becoming the NBA's version of the Herschel Walker trade. Connect the dots and Denver could potentially have eight rotation players from last season's Carmelo Anthony trade: Danilo Gallinari, Rudy Fernandez, Andre Miller, Kosta Koufos, Jordan Hamilton, Timofey Mozgov and 2014 and 2016 first-round picks from the Knicks. Convert the draft picks into anything useful and they could beat the Knicks just with the players they got in the trade.

As many have noted, the Melo-and-Mike show was not a great fit. Mike D'Antoni is a pick-and-roll, space-the-floor guy. Carmelo Anthony is a mid-post iso, turn-and-face guy. The only thing they agree on is the unimportance of defense. This marriage was destined to fail from the start, which is one of many reasons for D'Antoni's reported opposition to the trade.

Yet that unusual mix has buried the much larger and worrisome story in New York. Amare Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony have maximum contracts for three years after this one. Regardless of who is coaching, they need to produce at something approaching max-caliber for the Knicks to have much success, as the very nature of their contracts (and Tyson Chandler's) all but requires New York to surround them with rookies and minimum guys.

And this season, those two just aren't anywhere close to that level. Stoudemire's decline has been more jarring and more widely documented, but Melo has lost substantial juice too.

Blame it on D'Antoni? Not so fast. Anthony has thrived in D'Antoni's system before. Remember, he played in the same offense for 27 games last season and averaged 26.3 points on 46.1 percent shooting; in the first two playoff games in Boston he was so torrid that the Celtics started doubling him any time he caught the ball closer than Vermont.

This year? Same system, same coach, but 32 games of sheer ugliness: 21.3 points, 40 percent shooting, more turnovers, fewer free throws.

It's tough to pin that on D'Antoni unless you can prove that somebody else was coaching last spring. It's tougher still when you remember Anthony played in largely the same system for Team USA in the summers.

Don't put this on Jeremy Lin either. Anthony hasn't played poorly only with Lin; he's been consistently subpar with everybody, in every situation, for the entire season. While the Knicks' recent losing streak has been the part under the microscope, Anthony has been depressingly average all year. To wit:

• He shot 39.3 percent in January, 39.8 percent in February, and 38.9 percent in March.

• He's at 40.1 percent at home and 39.9 percent on the road.

• He shoots 39.8 percent with Jeremy Lin, 39.9 percent with Iman Shumpert, and 40.1 percent with everybody else, according to NBA.com's new whizbang stats tool.

Change the conditions any way you want basically: He has been a 40 percent shooter this season, and scouts will tell you that he's not getting the same lift or explosion he used to. That is a much bigger problem than whether he's breaking plays in Mike D'Antoni's offense.

It seems a bit early for Anthony to begin declining, since he's only 27. But he has a big frame for a wing and isn't a great outside shooter; historically, players like this have tended to peak earlier.

And it's a double concern because Stoudemire has clearly lost much of the explosive first step that made him such a tough cover for opposing bigs. This was a major worry when New York signed him because of his two microfractures, and it's why neither Phoenix nor any other club was willing to give him the five-year, $95 million contract the Knicks did. Stoudemire's decline has been as visible defensively as offensively; whereas he used to rely on freakish athleticism to overcome fundamental mistakes, now he just makes mistakes from which he can't recover. Again, he put up great numbers for D'Antoni a year ago, but has declined rapidly this season.

So the Knicks will cross their fingers and hope it was the coaching, but there's no strong reason to believe this. Mike Woodson takes over, and based on his history in Atlanta will tilt the offense much toward isos for Melo and away from pick-and-rolls with Jeremy Lin, which is a bit ironic given that their only sustained success this season came with a Lin-centric approach.

But that's how they roll in New York; it's all about big names and winning the press conference. They'll worry about fitting the pieces some other year. For now they'll see if Woodson can salvage their season with a playoff berth and then throw their bankroll at Phil Jackson over the summer.

That's all window dressing. The crux of the problem remains that they're paying max contracts to two forwards who don't appear to be max players anymore. Coaching can't fix that.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
March 15 2012 00:30 GMT
#4790
On March 15 2012 09:28 Holcan wrote:
why doesn't anyone remember that the knicks weren't a contender before trade last year? were they even .500? does anyone know? they had to make something happen, it just didn't pan out as planned.


The Knicks never became a contender because of Anthony.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13537 Posts
March 15 2012 00:33 GMT
#4791
Crawford not playing... Looks like he's def going to be traded imminently.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 00:34:20
March 15 2012 00:33 GMT
#4792
On March 15 2012 09:28 Holcan wrote:
why doesn't anyone remember that the knicks weren't a contender before trade last year? were they even .500? does anyone know? they had to make something happen, it just didn't pan out as planned.

They didn't have to make something happen. You don't HAVE to win immediately. They had young talent and cap space. So you develop that young talent like the Bulls did, instead of making a big immediate gamble on a "superstar" like the Bulls did.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
buickskylark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada664 Posts
March 15 2012 00:34 GMT
#4793
anyone familiar with woodson's coaching? he's subbing every guy 4-5 minutes into the rotation and calling timeouts 24 points ahead.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
March 15 2012 00:43 GMT
#4794
On March 15 2012 09:28 Holcan wrote:
why doesn't anyone remember that the knicks weren't a contender before trade last year? were they even .500? does anyone know? they had to make something happen, it just didn't pan out as planned.

? They're currently 18-24 now and in 9th place. Only difference between not being a contender now and then is that they're capped out and running out of options.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
March 15 2012 00:45 GMT
#4795
How long before someone posts and says the "Knicks are fixed, NBA Finals here we come!"?
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
chennis
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Taiwan227 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 00:53:15
March 15 2012 00:50 GMT
#4796
On March 15 2012 09:28 Holcan wrote:
why doesn't anyone remember that the knicks weren't a contender before trade last year? were they even .500? does anyone know? they had to make something happen, it just didn't pan out as planned.


1) they are still not contenders after the trade
2) they were above .500(I think just barely?), and they actually have a sub .500 record when melo plays

ah, there we go
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7685755/new-york-knicks-carmelo-anthony-denies-desire-trade-rift-coach

32-42 record including playoffs
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
March 15 2012 00:55 GMT
#4797
Well, they obviously (foolishly) thought Carmelo + Amare makes them contenders, but that's part of the bad judgment.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
0kz
Profile Joined January 2010
Italy1118 Posts
March 15 2012 01:05 GMT
#4798
On March 15 2012 09:45 Jibba wrote:
How long before someone posts and says the "Knicks are fixed, NBA Finals here we come!"?


no one ok would think knicks are fixed..... this game means nothing,its been horrible and against a team that is playing really bad..
VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
March 15 2012 01:05 GMT
#4799
Rose out for Bulls vs. Heat, game is all of a sudden not as interesting :\

Deng is back though, hope his wrist isn't too painful!
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
March 15 2012 01:16 GMT
#4800
Is watson back? I dont really want to watch Lucas jacking up all those shots.
Woo Jung Ho
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