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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
February 12 2012 20:36 GMT
#2581
no time out... toronto going crazy
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
February 12 2012 20:42 GMT
#2582
I am a Lakers fan, yet I feel sorry for the Raptors
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-12 20:50:51
February 12 2012 20:49 GMT
#2583
On February 13 2012 05:42 LunarDestiny wrote:
I am a Lakers fan, yet I feel sorry for the Raptors

yeah that was just dumb, they should've gotten a timeout there ref just turned his back as they were calling

they were fighting all game for the comeback too
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
February 12 2012 21:18 GMT
#2584
On February 13 2012 03:33 cLutZ wrote:
I present the awesomeness of Timmy, and KG (I guess).

Show nested quote +

But in the 2000’s, Jordan’s revolution, at least temporarily, was rolled back. Shaq and Duncan won eight of nine titles from 1999-2007; the only other championship team in that period featured a four-time Defensive Player of the Year (Ben Wallace) at center and another 6’11+ player (Rasheed Wallace) with as much pure talent as Garnett and Duncan. Garnett, when finally given a chance to play with other All-Stars in Boston, won a title in 2008, while the Los Angeles Lakers and the Dallas Mavericks, two teams who played multiple 7’0 on their frontline, have won the last three championships.

...

It’s hard to even contemplate how dominant a Shaq/Duncan or Shaq/KG front-line would have been.

If you asked all 30 NBA GM’s to pick one player they would want to build their franchise around from 1999-2011, Duncan and Garnett would go #1 and #2. And if you put every player in the history of the NBA into one draft pool, there would only be a small handful of names called before two of the most versatile seven-footers of all-time came off the board.


http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/218949/Garnett_Duncan_And_The_End_Of_An_Era#ixzz1mC4b6Tsa


I actually agree with this, except the part of picking them #1 and #2. But they were so dominant I have both of them ranked as the #1/#2 PFs of all time.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
February 12 2012 21:36 GMT
#2585
On February 13 2012 06:18 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 03:33 cLutZ wrote:
I present the awesomeness of Timmy, and KG (I guess).


But in the 2000’s, Jordan’s revolution, at least temporarily, was rolled back. Shaq and Duncan won eight of nine titles from 1999-2007; the only other championship team in that period featured a four-time Defensive Player of the Year (Ben Wallace) at center and another 6’11+ player (Rasheed Wallace) with as much pure talent as Garnett and Duncan. Garnett, when finally given a chance to play with other All-Stars in Boston, won a title in 2008, while the Los Angeles Lakers and the Dallas Mavericks, two teams who played multiple 7’0 on their frontline, have won the last three championships.

...

It’s hard to even contemplate how dominant a Shaq/Duncan or Shaq/KG front-line would have been.

If you asked all 30 NBA GM’s to pick one player they would want to build their franchise around from 1999-2011, Duncan and Garnett would go #1 and #2. And if you put every player in the history of the NBA into one draft pool, there would only be a small handful of names called before two of the most versatile seven-footers of all-time came off the board.


http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/218949/Garnett_Duncan_And_The_End_Of_An_Era#ixzz1mC4b6Tsa


I actually agree with this, except the part of picking them #1 and #2. But they were so dominant I have both of them ranked as the #1/#2 PFs of all time.


Quick question; why is Karl Malone never in the discussion for best PF of all time? Due to the Jazz never being broadcasted where I live, I rarely saw him play - was his defense THAT bad or something? Because his offense speaks for itself

Also; Bulls are having a Hawks day, can't hit shots for shit >_<
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
February 12 2012 21:49 GMT
#2586
Part of it is a respect thing. I've seen Karl Malone mentioned in top PF discussions before, but Barkley, Russel and even some guys that shouldn't be in the convo get put on before him. It has a lot to do with losing in 2 Finals in which he was deemed a choker (which is bullshit), and also the controversies off court. Add in that yep, he played in Utah and that pretty much sums up why Malone is sometimes left out of the convo. If he won even 1 championship doing the exact same thing people would have rated him higher.

That being said, his defense wasn't on the level of KG but his offensive game was damn near unstoppable.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-12 22:04:06
February 12 2012 22:02 GMT
#2587
Thanks for the info, I've always been boggled by the fact that more people doesn't mention him :\

Seems like the Bulls will lose this one, shooting 35% till mid in the 3rd won't cut it against playoff teams

.. and especially when Deng isn't having a good day :<
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-12 22:22:12
February 12 2012 22:16 GMT
#2588
KG is good but he is not ahead of Karl Malone in the best PF discussion, Duncan probably deserves to be in the talk but I just do not see KG in the same discussion.

He definitely ranks as one of the best of the last 10-20 years but to put him ahead of Karl Malone who ranks only under Kareem with the NBA's most points scored in his career is just not legit.

Malone had he not been playing in the same era as Michael Jordan would have won multiple titles as well, we can play the same "what if" game with him as that article does with KG.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
February 12 2012 22:22 GMT
#2589
KG is definitely ahead of Malone. Dirk, I don't know but I'd put him close.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
February 12 2012 22:37 GMT
#2590
I know Rose gets a lot heat for shooting too much, but my god, when you look at the shooting performance the Bulls have put up tonight it's no wonder he does..
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
February 12 2012 22:38 GMT
#2591
On February 13 2012 05:49 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 05:42 LunarDestiny wrote:
I am a Lakers fan, yet I feel sorry for the Raptors

yeah that was just dumb, they should've gotten a timeout there ref just turned his back as they were calling

they were fighting all game for the comeback too




correct call
VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
February 12 2012 22:41 GMT
#2592
Yup.. total Hawks day
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
scaban84
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1080 Posts
February 12 2012 22:55 GMT
#2593
On February 13 2012 07:16 Vindicare605 wrote:
KG is good but he is not ahead of Karl Malone in the best PF discussion, Duncan probably deserves to be in the talk but I just do not see KG in the same discussion.

He definitely ranks as one of the best of the last 10-20 years but to put him ahead of Karl Malone who ranks only under Kareem with the NBA's most points scored in his career is just not legit.

Malone had he not been playing in the same era as Michael Jordan would have won multiple titles as well, we can play the same "what if" game with him as that article does with KG.

Thumbs up. The Mailman gave me nightmares.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design." — Friedrich von Hayek
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
February 12 2012 23:12 GMT
#2594
I think Duncan deserves #1 ahead of Kevin Garnett, at the very least from his playoff performances.

Duncan usually relies on higher percentage post moves than Garnett, who's more known for his undefendable midrange jumper. The stats work out with Duncan averaging over .500 in the playoffs, including .453, .522, .529 in 2002-2004.
KG averages .472, including .429,.514,.452 2002-2004.

Duncan has much better block % stats. The only thing he's done worse at is defensive rebounding, which is probably a teammate issue (Duncan is higher on offensive rebounding) and free throw percentage.

On defense, outside of stats, Duncan's performances against Amare, especially in late game situations without fouling are amazing, and he's also had to defend Shaq.

They're very different players, with Garnett relying a lot of activity and length and Duncan relying much more on positioning. I've seen an article about the "genius" of Duncan is not leaving his feet (I'll try to find), and another from ESPN's thorpe about how Duncan's been able to do things on Pick and Roll defense that you couldn't expect anyone else to.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
February 12 2012 23:18 GMT
#2595
On February 13 2012 07:38 akalarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 05:49 rabidch wrote:
On February 13 2012 05:42 LunarDestiny wrote:
I am a Lakers fan, yet I feel sorry for the Raptors

yeah that was just dumb, they should've gotten a timeout there ref just turned his back as they were calling

they were fighting all game for the comeback too


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAoYl3UTk7o&feature=player_embedded

correct call

haha damn

well in my defense i didnt count to exact 5
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13430 Posts
February 12 2012 23:46 GMT
#2596
He definitely held it for 5 secs. It just depends on whether he called TO or not.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
jtbem
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada1404 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-12 23:54:12
February 12 2012 23:53 GMT
#2597
the coach can call timeouts too, and I'm sure he did

guess hes gotta be like pop
aka Sowelulol
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 12 2012 23:59 GMT
#2598
On February 13 2012 07:22 Ace wrote:
KG is definitely ahead of Malone. Dirk, I don't know but I'd put him close.


I'd rank:

Duncan > KG > Malone > Dirk

Malone was an offensive force, at times, but also, in my opinion, took advantage of a "sweet spot" in time where no one was scheming for people like him and no one matched up well with him.

Also I am not a fan of "accumulators" who just play forever as all time greats. See Paul Pierce as the #1 scoring Celtic.
Freeeeeeedom
coolcrimefighter
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States378 Posts
February 13 2012 00:10 GMT
#2599
On February 13 2012 08:18 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 07:38 akalarry wrote:
On February 13 2012 05:49 rabidch wrote:
On February 13 2012 05:42 LunarDestiny wrote:
I am a Lakers fan, yet I feel sorry for the Raptors

yeah that was just dumb, they should've gotten a timeout there ref just turned his back as they were calling

they were fighting all game for the comeback too


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAoYl3UTk7o&feature=player_embedded

correct call

haha damn

well in my defense i didnt count to exact 5

what a laker hater
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13430 Posts
February 13 2012 00:13 GMT
#2600
It's a shame Shawn Kemp couldn't keep it together.

He was the orginal Blake Griffin and could have been an all-time great PF.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
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