NBA Regular Season 2011-2012 - Page 132

On February 14 2012 00:01 nemY wrote:
Him and Lebron should both just shave it all off.

On February 13 2012 23:05 Zorkmid wrote:
I thought Boozer was bald...is that new hair tattooed on?

On February 14 2012 05:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Kinda feel bad for Bogut, didn't know someone could be so fragile. Last season he probably sat out at least 5 games because of "migraines" which apparently he's had recurringly throughout his life.

On February 14 2012 10:02 slyboogie wrote:
Fundamentally flawed. Presumes players get better or worse near the end of a game. Sample sizes are too small, though on a whole, I believe, that it is generally understood that players get worse as the game gets near its end. 25 is also arbitrary. No more accurate than 10 or 13 or 4 (well...it is, technically, but not in any significant way.)

Still, it tells us a couple of things. It tells us that Chris Bosh, semi-surprisingly, shot a ton of shots in the clutch, though I bet 6 of them are from the Atlanta game. It also tells us that Kobe Bryant takes a lot of difficult shots near the end of games.

I believe clutch is a real thing. I get nervous playing basketball at the park or Magic the Gathering or Starcraft 2 or slow-toss baseball. I don't think it can be quantified by pseudo-sport-intellectuals like Henry Abbot.

On February 14 2012 10:02 slyboogie wrote:
Fundamentally flawed. Presumes players get better or worse near the end of a game. Sample sizes are too small, though on a whole, I believe, that it is generally understood that players get worse as the game gets near its end. 25 is also arbitrary. No more accurate than 10 or 13 or 4 (well...it is, technically, but not in any significant way.)

Still, it tells us a couple of things. It tells us that Chris Bosh, semi-surprisingly, shot a ton of shots in the clutch, though I bet 6 of them are from the Atlanta game. It also tells us that Kobe Bryant takes a lot of difficult shots near the end of games.

I believe clutch is a real thing. I get nervous playing basketball at the park or Magic the Gathering or Starcraft 2 or slow-toss baseball. I don't think it can be quantified by pseudo-sport-intellectuals like Henry Abbot.

On February 14 2012 11:07 igotmyown wrote:


Wait a second, so when we call someone clutch, it's because we think they're performing better at the end of games and we've seen them make some small sample size of shots. But we're not allowed to argue maybe they're not clutch, if they don't hit a small size of shots and perform worse at the end of games.

If you're qualified to call someone clutch, then pseudo-sport-intellectuals are qualified to argue they're not. It's the evolution argument all over again, if you can only affirm and not disprove a statement, what is it?

On February 14 2012 12:00 slyboogie wrote:


What? No! Firstly, I don't think I totally get what you're saying. I'm not arguing either way. Tom Haberstroh tweeted a fact: That out of those who have taken 25 "clutch" shot attempts, Kobe is the lowest and Chris Bosh is the highest. This is simply a fact of the universe.

But it doesn't tell us anything at all. It doesn't say that Chris Bosh is clutch and it doesn't say that Kobe Bryant is unclutch. It's just stuff that happened. Somewhere in that "data" is something that speaks to the clutchness of either player. But most of it is just noise. You can say that Kobe is unclutch because over the course of his career the Lakers have performed averagely in "clutch situations" blahblahlblah. And all that stuff. That's fine because you have 8,000 minutes to work with. But 25 shots? Lol. That's like if I said, I drove to work 25 times in my yellow car and 25 times in my blue car. I got pulled over once in the yellow car and twice in the blue car.

Ergo, blue is 200% more likely to get pulled over than yellow. Take that to your actuary.

On February 14 2012 12:44 igotmyown wrote:


Ok, so we agree to conclude that there is no evidence demonstrating that Kobe Bryant is clutch.

On February 14 2012 11:52 cLutZ wrote:


It mostly tells us about the quality of looks the person is getting.

Bosh: Surrounded (in crunch time) by 1+ outstanding penetrators/passers and shooters (for spacing). AKA always wide open or loosely guarded by 1 man.

Kobe: Surrounded (in crunch time) by 2 POS players and two good big men. AKA always double teamed.

On February 14 2012 14:13 VENDIZ wrote:
Nevermind ;D

David Lee having a huge night

On February 14 2012 14:29 MilesTeg wrote:


And that is, to me, the definition of being clutch (or "unclutch" in the case of Bryant). Being clutch is the ability to remain calm when other players freak out, and make good decisions. It isn't a magic force that allows you to make shots with a better percentage.

Bryant doesn't really make those good decisions, he always takes fadeaways. No one is going to completely deny those shots. Sometimes it goes in, and everyone seems to think he's exceptional (and he is, in a way, since no one can shoot those fadeaways better), while it's really just a statistical fact that if he keeps taking them it's going to go in sometimes. People just don't understand the random aspect of the game.

If you want to see a clutch performance, look at Dirk in the last finals. On some possessions he was shooting, others passing, sometimes driving inside, and he was always making the right play while everyone else in the world was losing their minds (I was so nervous just watching that game!)