EPTNBA Regular Season 2011-2012 - Page 131
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
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Klogon
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
I think Duncan is the standout PF in the group. I'd probably have Malone #2. Then any of Barkley, Dirk and Garnett are interchangeable for me. It's intersting that they all have somewhat different styles. All high IQ bball players though. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
you guys seen this? so awesome. i want the conley one | ||
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stork4ever
United States1036 Posts
You want to be greatest of all time of a position, era, or just simply GOAT? Need championship folks or its always going to be a huge hole in your resume. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
On February 13 2012 09:49 slyboogie wrote: Duncan is probably the best power forward in history but Kevin Garnett in 2003-2004 was, probably, the greatest season I've ever seen, personally, put up by a big man. Followed closely by 1999-2000 Shaq. I'm too young to really say how they compare to Barkley and Malone, though, I have old ass tapes and stats though. Barkely was an insanely strong competitor in the mold of Jordan. He was easily the shortest of the 5 at only 6'6 but he was tough and strong. I have a lot of fond memories watching Barkley when he played on the Suns in the early to mid-90s. The year he won the MVP he played ridiculously good. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On February 13 2012 10:15 stork4ever wrote: I hate the spurs, but Duncan with his stats, influence, and most importantly, multiple championships puts him at the very least the top 2 PF's of all time. Barkley (wtf PF at 6'6??) and Malone were monsters but without championships, are sometimes overlooked and would take die hard dedication to put them above Duncan/KG. You want to be greatest of all time of a position, era, or just simply GOAT? Need championship folks or its always going to be a huge hole in your resume. Championships are team accoplishments. Pretty worthless when comparing players. That said I think KG and Duncan are the best 2 PFs of all time. Really picking either as #1 isn't a big deal to me. They played in an era when perimeter players skill level's started to surge in comparison to post players and absolutely wrecked shop in almost every facet of the game. Barkley was good. An offensive juggernaut in terms of scoring. But KG and Duncan were also great scorers that were defensively dominant (KG the greatest defender of all time) and you could run the offense through both. Look at the assist numbers these guys were putting up from the Power Forward position. That is rare in the history of the NBA. Super rare. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16127 Posts
Career stats for Karl Malone. Are you kidding me? | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On February 13 2012 10:25 Ace wrote: Championships are team accoplishments. Pretty worthless when comparing players. That said I think KG and Duncan are the best 2 PFs of all time. Really picking either as #1 isn't a big deal to me. They played in an era when perimeter players skill level's started to surge in comparison to post players and absolutely wrecked shop in almost every facet of the game. Barkley was good. An offensive juggernaut in terms of scoring. But KG and Duncan were also great scorers that were defensively dominant (KG the greatest defender of all time) and you could run the offense through both. Look at the assist numbers these guys were putting up from the Power Forward position. That is rare in the history of the NBA. Super rare. IMO Duncan was a slightly better defender. But really I have no problem with your assertion because KG's defense used to be sick. | ||
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manicsquare
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
On February 13 2012 10:12 Doraemon wrote: http://blogs.thescore.com/tbj/2012/02/10/get-your-grizzlies-valentines-day-cards-2/#more-34643 you guys seen this? so awesome. i want the conley one Those are AWSUM. | ||
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PerkyPenguin
United States99 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Pettit | ||
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city42
1656 Posts
A lot of people were quick to put the "soft" label on Dirk throughout his career, but he secretly put up monster playoff numbers year in and year out. KG had the worst supporting cast of any superstar other than T-Mac, so it's hard to blame him for the lack of team achievements. Kevin Love had a crazy year statistically last season, but the Wolves went 17-65. KG dragged similarly talent-free teams to the playoffs perennially. Barkley only made the finals once, and he got a huge helping hand from the refs in game 7 of the WCF to get there. Should that finals appearance make his career better than KG's pre-Boston? Not really. Back to Duncan: I hate to do it because I disagree with a lot of the book, but The Book of Basketball has the most telling endorsement for him: It's not like he lacks numbers or credentials. He closed out a '99 Lakers sweep against Shaq with a 37-14-4 and a 33-14-4 in Games 3 and 4, averaged a 27-14 in the '99 Finals, and became the second-youngest player to win Finals MVP. He carried a truly underwhelming supporting cast to a high 2002 playoff seed by topping 3200 minutes, 2000 points, 1000 boards, 300 assists and 200 blocks by season's end. In the '02 playoffs, battling the two-time defending champs with a crappy team and Robinson missing the first two games, Duncan averaged a 29-17-5 in a five-game loss to eventual champ L.A. (superior to Shaq's 21-12-3). During one seven-game stretch against the Lakers and Mavericks in the '03 playoffs, he averaged a 31-17-6 (and closed out Shaq's team with a 37-16-4). He cruised to a 2003 Finals MVP by throttling Jersey with a 24-17-5, closing the Nets out with a near quadruple double (a should-have-been-legendary 21-20-10-8) and getting little help from an aging Robinson (playoffs: 7.8 PPG, 6.6 RPG) or anyone else (Parker, Ginobili, and Stephen Jackson combined for less than 37 PPG and shot 40 percent combined). For someone who doesn't care about his own stats, Duncan sure has put up a lot of them over the years. My only knock against him in the greatest PF debate is that he was more or less a center. edit: Also, Duncan hit the single most under-appreciated shot in NBA history (the fadeaway that "won" the 2004 WCF game vs. L.A. before Fisher hit the .4 miracle). | ||
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x2fst
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in other news: ![[image loading]](http://i41.tinypic.com/34eq3w1.jpg) | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Besides like I said, for just about anything we need to know when comparing players, especially guys that played the same role and position on their teams, TS% is pretty worthless. FG% tells us straight up what we want to know: How many shots can a guy hit from the floor. If we want to know how well they shot FTs we just compare that directly. | ||
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x2fst
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Zorkmid
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