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Eti307
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Canada3442 Posts
August 30 2011 21:23 GMT
#21
I never really understood why PIMs was considered a category to win. I'd replace PIM with hits as well

QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32132 Posts
August 30 2011 21:38 GMT
#22
On August 31 2011 06:16 Xife wrote:
I guess I'm alone in the PIMS category It just adds a lot more options for people to pick up. So you're not completely fucked if you miss the draft and get shitty players.


Oh I definitely like more options, but PIm is behind FO and hits for me.
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Zymurgy
Profile Joined December 2003
United States370 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 00:49:01
August 30 2011 22:39 GMT
#23
On August 31 2011 03:53 Dknight wrote:
Adding losses is a possibility too. Or removing hits and going to 6 skater stats / 3 goalie stats.


I hate losses as a category because it's more of a team stat than anything. I guess you could say the same thing about wins though. Maybe consider dumping both of them and going with GAA SV% SV SHO?

I still think shots would be a good choice.

While we are debating categories why not also consider expanding the rosters to 3 c, 3 of each wing, 5 d, 2 util
Xife
Profile Joined September 2009
222 Posts
August 31 2011 00:26 GMT
#24
On August 31 2011 06:23 Eti307 wrote:
I never really understood why PIMs was considered a category to win. I'd replace PIM with hits as well




Hit's are added up so fucked in the NHL... There are times I would count maybe one hit and the guy would be credited with 6 or 7 in the game. Then times I would count 6 or 7 and they get 1 or 2.

I don't see anything wrong with PIMs, gives you points for being gritty! Can't have a team full of panzies.
Zymurgy
Profile Joined December 2003
United States370 Posts
August 31 2011 00:48 GMT
#25
I agree xife, there was one game buffalo vs fla where EVERYTHING counted as a hit, yet other games where it is much more strict on defining a hit. Hits are just too random.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32132 Posts
August 31 2011 13:56 GMT
#26
play guys at home to rack up hits =]

I'd be down for dropping w/l for real goaltending stats. though that kind of kills the value of a dude like jon quick who will be so so in those besides racking up wins

la's gonna be good this year
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Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5223 Posts
September 01 2011 00:20 GMT
#27
Something in me can't give up on the big W. It's nice when your goalie has a shitty day but his team manages to save him anyway so despite that 87% SV he still manages the win.

If it's between PIM and Hits, I'd rather keep PIM.

I think a 6/3 stat line is the best to keep skaters and goalies balanced. Possibly 7/3 but that doesn't look promising with all the feedback.
WGT<3. Former CL/NW head admin.
Unholy_Prince
Profile Joined September 2010
62 Posts
September 01 2011 04:08 GMT
#28
A 7/3 split is fine. Goalies are already too strong in fantasy hockey. With a 6/3 split one guy racks up 33% of your stat categories. It makes the need to draft an elite goalie too much. They're too important.

PIMs should stay, its a good stat for getting tough guys who can still play. Hits is more subjective per arena as has been said. If we want another skater stat why not consider Points? I prefer Hits over Blocked Shots though

Goalies have to have both GAA and SV%. Just do Wins and those 2 if you only want 3 categories.

I'm Metalgods btw.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32132 Posts
September 01 2011 18:54 GMT
#29
How are we gonna do power play scoring?? PPG/PPA or just PPP?

and what do you guys think about faceoffs?

split stats, i am not sure yet. my mind is still in Fake Football mode. I'll think about it some more
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Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5223 Posts
September 01 2011 18:56 GMT
#30
FO make centers too strong, especially the top tier centers.
WGT<3. Former CL/NW head admin.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32132 Posts
September 01 2011 19:20 GMT
#31
Yeah I guess there's no other stat we could add to balance out other skaters.
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hak
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Sweden768 Posts
September 03 2011 12:12 GMT
#32
I'm in

Can't wait for the draft!!

Phantom
Profile Joined September 2004
Canada2151 Posts
September 06 2011 20:14 GMT
#33
I agree with putting PIM back in and taking out hits.

I want to see L be put in for Goalie stats to make managers think even harder about whether their goalie should be playing or not. Goalie stats count for 1/3 if not more of the score right now, shouldn't it be made harder to control 2-3 players for 1/3 of the scoring?

Also, i'm tired of finishing under .500 every year so far, i'm ready to own you all this season >=|
http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/members/Phantom
Zymurgy
Profile Joined December 2003
United States370 Posts
September 07 2011 00:11 GMT
#34
you already take a risk in gaa and sv% by playing goalies a lot, why should people get punished for a 0-1 loss?
Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5223 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-07 00:20:54
September 07 2011 00:14 GMT
#35
We got 10 teams so far. Have room for 4 more so make sure to PM me. If you haven't paid me already, make sure you do.

Right now, stats are looking lke this
S: G, A, +/-, PIM, PPP, blocks
G: W, GAA, S%

WGT<3. Former CL/NW head admin.
Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5223 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 22:52:34
September 08 2011 22:50 GMT
#36
Still looking for either 1 or 3 people to join.

Also, if you haven't paid me, please do so (or at least let me know you haven't paid). Been incredibly busy as my PhD program started a week ago. tt
WGT<3. Former CL/NW head admin.
BigBadSkathe
Profile Joined September 2009
United States234 Posts
September 14 2011 22:40 GMT
#37
okay I sent my payment and pm. Team Pretty Lights #1
Hey.
Unholy_Prince
Profile Joined September 2010
62 Posts
September 15 2011 21:35 GMT
#38
Sent my payment - MetalGods
Gnial
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada907 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 21:55:35
September 15 2011 21:51 GMT
#39
People notice the miscounting of hits - but what about the miscounting of shots? Prepare for a "The More You Know" moment:

There are several arenas which have a history of underrecording or overrecording shots. The data and analysis is on http://objectivenhl.blogspot.com somewhere, the guy puts out so much content I don't even know where it is anymore (I read it at least 8 months ago) - so if you want to just take my word for it I can sum up the takeaways I got from it.

The New Jersey Devils are the biggest culprits for UNDER-recording shots by an average (if my memory avails me) of about 2 or 3 a game. (this isn't a matter of fewer shots being taken in NJ, but is a matter of a different recording standard by the guys in NJ) The effect is that on average a goalie's SV% is worse, and a players shot total worse, when they are playing in New Jersey. This trend has held true for over 6 years, so presumably that isn't about to change any time soon.

Tampa Bay (along with 1 or 2 other teams I can't remember), on the other hand, is the opposite. They over-record shots above the average.

(Ie. when that grinder is repeatedly trying to shovel the puck over the goalie's pad a bunch of times, in TB they might get 2 or 3 shots for it while in NJ they will get0 or 1 shots for it)

This is too small a discrepancy to regularly help you in fantasy league...but when a player like Roloson gets traded to TB, you know that in conjunction to being on a better team, he will also get an extra % or so onto his SV% from the extra shots being counted. On the flip side, if you have 3 goalies playing and you can't decide which ones to bench, the one playing in New Jersey may be a good candidate because the SV% will be, on average, lower.

The more you know!
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27172 Posts
September 15 2011 21:54 GMT
#40
Still need someone? I have a horrid track record the last two times I joined so I understand if you say no. But this year I can actually watch the games, so I will be more involved. Let me know.
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