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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-21 05:36:49
February 21 2016 05:31 GMT
#20641
On February 21 2016 13:26 Nagisama wrote:
In the real world people get fired over this shit.

I'm tired of this so I won't address everything and everyone because I've been over all of this but you can't compare Freakazoid's job to some poor sap doing 9-5 pushing paper. Different job, different norms. I don't see you pulling up Kanye West's twitter and saying "man I couldn't say these things". Irrelevant.

And also most of the stuff Freak said wouldn't even matter and the worst of it might get a visit with HR, not an outright firing, unless you're the lowest of the low, or in some box where employees are worthless. Plus none of it would get anyone fired if it was outside the eyes of the employer. Don't forget that most people don't have to worry about being observed and judge outside of work.

Other similar situations, idra was fired from EG for shit talking his fans. Despite being advertised as the bad boy of Starcraft, he crossed a line that really shouldn't have been crossed and was fired for it.

The scene did itself a massive disservice that day. Not a good example, and not a good way forward IMO.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
February 21 2016 06:27 GMT
#20642
On February 21 2016 14:31 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2016 13:26 Nagisama wrote:
In the real world people get fired over this shit.

I'm tired of this so I won't address everything and everyone because I've been over all of this but you can't compare Freakazoid's job to some poor sap doing 9-5 pushing paper. Different job, different norms. I don't see you pulling up Kanye West's twitter and saying "man I couldn't say these things". Irrelevant.

And also most of the stuff Freak said wouldn't even matter and the worst of it might get a visit with HR, not an outright firing, unless you're the lowest of the low, or in some box where employees are worthless. Plus none of it would get anyone fired if it was outside the eyes of the employer. Don't forget that most people don't have to worry about being observed and judge outside of work.

Show nested quote +
Other similar situations, idra was fired from EG for shit talking his fans. Despite being advertised as the bad boy of Starcraft, he crossed a line that really shouldn't have been crossed and was fired for it.

The scene did itself a massive disservice that day. Not a good example, and not a good way forward IMO.

You shouldn't compare Freakazoid to a 9-5 job, this is a prominent face of a company. Any time a company faces backlash over someone in an important role they have to respond or they hurt their image. I happen to think that the punishment is slightly too much, but punishment needed to happen with the amount of outcry that was being generated.
Writer
iXphobos
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1465 Posts
February 21 2016 10:46 GMT
#20643
On February 21 2016 13:19 amazingxkcd wrote:
we got bigger problems in NA than arguing over semantics of trash talking.

Amen. If the "who is who in shittalk city" is the trending topic in NA CS for weeks, you know NA's got some serious trouble.
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
February 21 2016 11:25 GMT
#20644
Anybody knows if the TL game today will be streamed? Acoording to HLTV there are 8 games at the same time...
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
February 21 2016 13:23 GMT
#20645
On February 21 2016 15:27 Valiver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2016 14:31 Djzapz wrote:
On February 21 2016 13:26 Nagisama wrote:
In the real world people get fired over this shit.

I'm tired of this so I won't address everything and everyone because I've been over all of this but you can't compare Freakazoid's job to some poor sap doing 9-5 pushing paper. Different job, different norms. I don't see you pulling up Kanye West's twitter and saying "man I couldn't say these things". Irrelevant.

And also most of the stuff Freak said wouldn't even matter and the worst of it might get a visit with HR, not an outright firing, unless you're the lowest of the low, or in some box where employees are worthless. Plus none of it would get anyone fired if it was outside the eyes of the employer. Don't forget that most people don't have to worry about being observed and judge outside of work.

Other similar situations, idra was fired from EG for shit talking his fans. Despite being advertised as the bad boy of Starcraft, he crossed a line that really shouldn't have been crossed and was fired for it.

The scene did itself a massive disservice that day. Not a good example, and not a good way forward IMO.

You shouldn't compare Freakazoid to a 9-5 job, this is a prominent face of a company. Any time a company faces backlash over someone in an important role they have to respond or they hurt their image. I happen to think that the punishment is slightly too much, but punishment needed to happen with the amount of outcry that was being generated.

Why assume that the outcry is reasonable? You're literally saying that C9 and sponsors should be at the every whim of the public. I think that's ridiculous.

I agree that there should be a punishment but it should be reasonable and based in reality. And eventually yes it's true if you go full corporate you have to hand out harsh punishments if that's what the angry mob wants but that is NOT a desirable outcome.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
February 21 2016 14:10 GMT
#20646
On February 21 2016 22:23 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2016 15:27 Valiver wrote:
On February 21 2016 14:31 Djzapz wrote:
On February 21 2016 13:26 Nagisama wrote:
In the real world people get fired over this shit.

I'm tired of this so I won't address everything and everyone because I've been over all of this but you can't compare Freakazoid's job to some poor sap doing 9-5 pushing paper. Different job, different norms. I don't see you pulling up Kanye West's twitter and saying "man I couldn't say these things". Irrelevant.

And also most of the stuff Freak said wouldn't even matter and the worst of it might get a visit with HR, not an outright firing, unless you're the lowest of the low, or in some box where employees are worthless. Plus none of it would get anyone fired if it was outside the eyes of the employer. Don't forget that most people don't have to worry about being observed and judge outside of work.

Other similar situations, idra was fired from EG for shit talking his fans. Despite being advertised as the bad boy of Starcraft, he crossed a line that really shouldn't have been crossed and was fired for it.

The scene did itself a massive disservice that day. Not a good example, and not a good way forward IMO.

You shouldn't compare Freakazoid to a 9-5 job, this is a prominent face of a company. Any time a company faces backlash over someone in an important role they have to respond or they hurt their image. I happen to think that the punishment is slightly too much, but punishment needed to happen with the amount of outcry that was being generated.

Why assume that the outcry is reasonable? You're literally saying that C9 and sponsors should be at the every whim of the public. I think that's ridiculous.

I agree that there should be a punishment but it should be reasonable and based in reality. And eventually yes it's true if you go full corporate you have to hand out harsh punishments if that's what the angry mob wants but that is NOT a desirable outcome.

I never said the outcry was reasonable, and in the real corporate world most of the time I don't think the outcry is reasonable that gets people in trouble there either. That's a social issue that I'm not going to get into though.
Writer
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
February 21 2016 14:38 GMT
#20647
Are still "discussing" the freak-simple thing?

Cmon let internet heroes be internet heroes.
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
Twoflowers
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany241 Posts
February 21 2016 14:38 GMT
#20648
On February 20 2016 11:56 Djzapz wrote:
The people who think this punishment is fair are politically correct shills. It's really sad to see that and I'm disappointed in you guys. Comparing to sports like they're an example to follow in this respect...

Show nested quote +
On February 20 2016 10:31 Sableyeah wrote:
1 month salary is NOTHING, you do realize a small PR mistake could cost an organisation (any) A LOT. This punishment is a fucking joke. But it will suffice.

Are you out of your mind? Not only is a month's salary a lot for the person who loses it, "the punishment is a fucking joke" shows how disconnected from reality you are, because either you think that his transgression is so huge that it's worth more than the thousands of dollars he lost, or you're so into drama and political correctness that you blow these things out of proportion. But why am I not surprised, leave it to someone with solid social safety nets to act like a month's income is trivial.

The reason why I think your attitude toward this is the worst is because you're too quick to view this from an organisational perspective. If you're willing to make the jump from "a small mistake can (POSSIBLY) cost a lot" to "therefore we must definitely fine a player for an amount which is very large to him", you're worthless and I don't know why anyone should listen to you. In fact, it's probably people just like you, the ticklish folks who get offended at everything, who make those transgressions so dangerous to orgs like C9. "I'm a third party and I choose to be offended for s1mple, I'll contact Intel now". So offensive.

1 month's salary is excessive because the transgression is incredibly minor. This is a public figure going after another public figure, both adult males, both pretty tough guys who can take it. This entire convo we're having is entirely build on the feeble backs of spineless cowards, corporate on one hand and nameless redditors on the other. None of this is real, none of this is reasonable. It's political bullshit and it's disgusting. If your default position is that this is fine because other people are assholes about it, you're one of the spineless cowards getting in line to dispense some bullshit justice which tastes of corporate greed and blood. God bless the status quo, this is bliss.

The fact that some suits-wearing fucks in the NBA routinely fine multimillionaires over bullshit is not something that you want to mimic. That is the result of marketing teams being afraid of the wrath of SJWs and soccer moms. That's a weakness. Will you guys fight for this bullshit until everyone feels like they're constantly walking on eggshells? The more I think about it the more annoyed I get because the reaction I see seems like the beginning of a slippery slope into this weak and absurd rhetoric. Must we sanitize the world until you get to feel comfortable? Is this something that we must build for you?


If I go to a conference for my company and shout insults at a guy holding a presentation I am getting my ass fired into orbit. And I'm not working in an industry depending on money from sponsors who are trying to build a reputation with these guys. The punishment is on the low side.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-21 16:18:19
February 21 2016 16:11 GMT
#20649
On February 21 2016 23:38 Twoflowers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2016 11:56 Djzapz wrote:
The people who think this punishment is fair are politically correct shills. It's really sad to see that and I'm disappointed in you guys. Comparing to sports like they're an example to follow in this respect...

On February 20 2016 10:31 Sableyeah wrote:
1 month salary is NOTHING, you do realize a small PR mistake could cost an organisation (any) A LOT. This punishment is a fucking joke. But it will suffice.

Are you out of your mind? Not only is a month's salary a lot for the person who loses it, "the punishment is a fucking joke" shows how disconnected from reality you are, because either you think that his transgression is so huge that it's worth more than the thousands of dollars he lost, or you're so into drama and political correctness that you blow these things out of proportion. But why am I not surprised, leave it to someone with solid social safety nets to act like a month's income is trivial.

The reason why I think your attitude toward this is the worst is because you're too quick to view this from an organisational perspective. If you're willing to make the jump from "a small mistake can (POSSIBLY) cost a lot" to "therefore we must definitely fine a player for an amount which is very large to him", you're worthless and I don't know why anyone should listen to you. In fact, it's probably people just like you, the ticklish folks who get offended at everything, who make those transgressions so dangerous to orgs like C9. "I'm a third party and I choose to be offended for s1mple, I'll contact Intel now". So offensive.

1 month's salary is excessive because the transgression is incredibly minor. This is a public figure going after another public figure, both adult males, both pretty tough guys who can take it. This entire convo we're having is entirely build on the feeble backs of spineless cowards, corporate on one hand and nameless redditors on the other. None of this is real, none of this is reasonable. It's political bullshit and it's disgusting. If your default position is that this is fine because other people are assholes about it, you're one of the spineless cowards getting in line to dispense some bullshit justice which tastes of corporate greed and blood. God bless the status quo, this is bliss.

The fact that some suits-wearing fucks in the NBA routinely fine multimillionaires over bullshit is not something that you want to mimic. That is the result of marketing teams being afraid of the wrath of SJWs and soccer moms. That's a weakness. Will you guys fight for this bullshit until everyone feels like they're constantly walking on eggshells? The more I think about it the more annoyed I get because the reaction I see seems like the beginning of a slippery slope into this weak and absurd rhetoric. Must we sanitize the world until you get to feel comfortable? Is this something that we must build for you?


If I go to a conference for my company and shout insults at a guy holding a presentation I am getting my ass fired into orbit. And I'm not working in an industry depending on money from sponsors who are trying to build a reputation with these guys. The punishment is on the low side.

I've said it about 5 times now. No one cares about you. No one cares about your normal job. Freakazoid doesn't work your boring office job. Nor did he he "shout insults", let alone to a guy holding a presentation. s1mple was not holding a presentation. The setting was not formal. s1mple is not a colleague nor a customer of his. This is a mistake the leaked to the public, you don't have to worry about that. Your boss doesn't scrutinize what you do in your free time.

Sponsors being flaky is a thing that happens when the scene is unstable from kids being rustled by minor shittalk.

Stop comparing your job to entertainers doing stuff in the public eye. The comparison is so absurd and the fact that you don't see that is absolutely mind blowing to me. You people are the reason why sponsors are worried to spend money on this. We're flipping out at the slightest issue. You're constructing this whole narrative where sponsors have to get concerned because we're sensitive little snowflakes.

It's time to grow up. Stop being afraid of words, stop making a fuss every time you get offended and the sponsors will do the same. This is pathetic and sad. Nothing of value was lost, no feelings that matter were hurt. The only thing that happened is you people thought "this is not within the boundaries of what I think is acceptable, and despite the complete lack of real consequences from the act itself, I demand retribution". It's a net loss for everyone.

Being rude is not a crime, being rude to a guy who's rude is even less of a crime. Everything was fine until people decided there was a problem. Stop overreacting and demanding retribution, it's making the scene weak.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
February 21 2016 16:57 GMT
#20650
On February 22 2016 01:11 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2016 23:38 Twoflowers wrote:
On February 20 2016 11:56 Djzapz wrote:
The people who think this punishment is fair are politically correct shills. It's really sad to see that and I'm disappointed in you guys. Comparing to sports like they're an example to follow in this respect...

On February 20 2016 10:31 Sableyeah wrote:
1 month salary is NOTHING, you do realize a small PR mistake could cost an organisation (any) A LOT. This punishment is a fucking joke. But it will suffice.

Are you out of your mind? Not only is a month's salary a lot for the person who loses it, "the punishment is a fucking joke" shows how disconnected from reality you are, because either you think that his transgression is so huge that it's worth more than the thousands of dollars he lost, or you're so into drama and political correctness that you blow these things out of proportion. But why am I not surprised, leave it to someone with solid social safety nets to act like a month's income is trivial.

The reason why I think your attitude toward this is the worst is because you're too quick to view this from an organisational perspective. If you're willing to make the jump from "a small mistake can (POSSIBLY) cost a lot" to "therefore we must definitely fine a player for an amount which is very large to him", you're worthless and I don't know why anyone should listen to you. In fact, it's probably people just like you, the ticklish folks who get offended at everything, who make those transgressions so dangerous to orgs like C9. "I'm a third party and I choose to be offended for s1mple, I'll contact Intel now". So offensive.

1 month's salary is excessive because the transgression is incredibly minor. This is a public figure going after another public figure, both adult males, both pretty tough guys who can take it. This entire convo we're having is entirely build on the feeble backs of spineless cowards, corporate on one hand and nameless redditors on the other. None of this is real, none of this is reasonable. It's political bullshit and it's disgusting. If your default position is that this is fine because other people are assholes about it, you're one of the spineless cowards getting in line to dispense some bullshit justice which tastes of corporate greed and blood. God bless the status quo, this is bliss.

The fact that some suits-wearing fucks in the NBA routinely fine multimillionaires over bullshit is not something that you want to mimic. That is the result of marketing teams being afraid of the wrath of SJWs and soccer moms. That's a weakness. Will you guys fight for this bullshit until everyone feels like they're constantly walking on eggshells? The more I think about it the more annoyed I get because the reaction I see seems like the beginning of a slippery slope into this weak and absurd rhetoric. Must we sanitize the world until you get to feel comfortable? Is this something that we must build for you?


If I go to a conference for my company and shout insults at a guy holding a presentation I am getting my ass fired into orbit. And I'm not working in an industry depending on money from sponsors who are trying to build a reputation with these guys. The punishment is on the low side.

I've said it about 5 times now. No one cares about you. No one cares about your normal job. Freakazoid doesn't work your boring office job. Nor did he he "shout insults", let alone to a guy holding a presentation. s1mple was not holding a presentation. The setting was not formal. s1mple is not a colleague nor a customer of his. This is a mistake the leaked to the public, you don't have to worry about that. Your boss doesn't scrutinize what you do in your free time.

Sponsors being flaky is a thing that happens when the scene is unstable from kids being rustled by minor shittalk.

Stop comparing your job to entertainers doing stuff in the public eye. The comparison is so absurd and the fact that you don't see that is absolutely mind blowing to me. You people are the reason why sponsors are worried to spend money on this. We're flipping out at the slightest issue. You're constructing this whole narrative where sponsors have to get concerned because we're sensitive little snowflakes.

It's time to grow up. Stop being afraid of words, stop making a fuss every time you get offended and the sponsors will do the same. This is pathetic and sad. Nothing of value was lost, no feelings that matter were hurt. The only thing that happened is you people thought "this is not within the boundaries of what I think is acceptable, and despite the complete lack of real consequences from the act itself, I demand retribution". It's a net loss for everyone.

Being rude is not a crime, being rude to a guy who's rude is even less of a crime. Everything was fine until people decided there was a problem. Stop overreacting and demanding retribution, it's making the scene weak.

Actually, people do get fired for things they say on social media. Happens all the time. Companies do care what you say if they employ you. Especially if your job entails interacting with the public (which Freak's does, unless you were unaware).

Sponsors not wanting to support people that act unprofessionally in the public eye when these very people are supposed to carry your brand is not "flaky", it's just business. No company wants their brand or their product associated with negativity. This isn't new, so stop acting like it is.

Blaming the reaction of the scene for the sponsor's (hypothetical) actions is also not productive. The notion that people should just not be offended by something that offends them is absurd. What Freak said was tantamount to bullying, full stop. Just because he didn't expect it to become public does not make it okay. If you're fine with people insulting you because you think you have "thick skin" or whatever, then that's your way of handling it, but many others don't take kindly to it.

Nobody said this was a crime, this isn't a courtroom, but nonetheless it was important that something be done. The public's reaction was obvious, and C9 as an organization knew they couldn't let it get any farther than it already had. This happens all the time in professional sports, where a team or a league fines or suspends a player for a time for something they said or did to placate the public and keep it from becoming a larger issue. Tiger Woods was even dropped from multiple sponsors because he couldn't keep it in his pants.

Don't act like this is an issue with our community or the scene. Just because you personally did not take issue with what he said does not magically make it okay. Not everyone thinks like you do, nor are they obligated to, despite your aggressive suggestion that they should.
Writer@WriterYamato
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 21 2016 18:09 GMT
#20651
http://www.twitch.tv/greatfrag

DH Malmo qualifiers with Liquid!

Also, Rahim.
WriterXiao8~~
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
February 21 2016 18:13 GMT
#20652
On February 22 2016 03:09 Kipsate wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/greatfrag

DH Malmo qualifiers with Liquid!

Also, Rahim.


thanks for the trigger warning
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
February 21 2016 18:37 GMT
#20653
http://www.twitch.tv/dustmouret

TSM vs RNG
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
February 21 2016 18:40 GMT
#20654
http://www.twitch.tv/sapphire

EchoFox vs TS
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 21 2016 19:25 GMT
#20655
it took Echofox 5 rounds to get a single kill against TS

is this real life.
WriterXiao8~~
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
February 21 2016 19:30 GMT
#20656
Even though TL should play way better against ex AA and not have a problem I have a question: Why are ex AA playing with mitch as a standin even though standins aren't allowed?
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-21 19:46:56
February 21 2016 19:36 GMT
#20657
On February 22 2016 01:57 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2016 01:11 Djzapz wrote:
On February 21 2016 23:38 Twoflowers wrote:
On February 20 2016 11:56 Djzapz wrote:
The people who think this punishment is fair are politically correct shills. It's really sad to see that and I'm disappointed in you guys. Comparing to sports like they're an example to follow in this respect...

On February 20 2016 10:31 Sableyeah wrote:
1 month salary is NOTHING, you do realize a small PR mistake could cost an organisation (any) A LOT. This punishment is a fucking joke. But it will suffice.

Are you out of your mind? Not only is a month's salary a lot for the person who loses it, "the punishment is a fucking joke" shows how disconnected from reality you are, because either you think that his transgression is so huge that it's worth more than the thousands of dollars he lost, or you're so into drama and political correctness that you blow these things out of proportion. But why am I not surprised, leave it to someone with solid social safety nets to act like a month's income is trivial.

The reason why I think your attitude toward this is the worst is because you're too quick to view this from an organisational perspective. If you're willing to make the jump from "a small mistake can (POSSIBLY) cost a lot" to "therefore we must definitely fine a player for an amount which is very large to him", you're worthless and I don't know why anyone should listen to you. In fact, it's probably people just like you, the ticklish folks who get offended at everything, who make those transgressions so dangerous to orgs like C9. "I'm a third party and I choose to be offended for s1mple, I'll contact Intel now". So offensive.

1 month's salary is excessive because the transgression is incredibly minor. This is a public figure going after another public figure, both adult males, both pretty tough guys who can take it. This entire convo we're having is entirely build on the feeble backs of spineless cowards, corporate on one hand and nameless redditors on the other. None of this is real, none of this is reasonable. It's political bullshit and it's disgusting. If your default position is that this is fine because other people are assholes about it, you're one of the spineless cowards getting in line to dispense some bullshit justice which tastes of corporate greed and blood. God bless the status quo, this is bliss.

The fact that some suits-wearing fucks in the NBA routinely fine multimillionaires over bullshit is not something that you want to mimic. That is the result of marketing teams being afraid of the wrath of SJWs and soccer moms. That's a weakness. Will you guys fight for this bullshit until everyone feels like they're constantly walking on eggshells? The more I think about it the more annoyed I get because the reaction I see seems like the beginning of a slippery slope into this weak and absurd rhetoric. Must we sanitize the world until you get to feel comfortable? Is this something that we must build for you?


If I go to a conference for my company and shout insults at a guy holding a presentation I am getting my ass fired into orbit. And I'm not working in an industry depending on money from sponsors who are trying to build a reputation with these guys. The punishment is on the low side.

I've said it about 5 times now. No one cares about you. No one cares about your normal job. Freakazoid doesn't work your boring office job. Nor did he he "shout insults", let alone to a guy holding a presentation. s1mple was not holding a presentation. The setting was not formal. s1mple is not a colleague nor a customer of his. This is a mistake the leaked to the public, you don't have to worry about that. Your boss doesn't scrutinize what you do in your free time.

Sponsors being flaky is a thing that happens when the scene is unstable from kids being rustled by minor shittalk.

Stop comparing your job to entertainers doing stuff in the public eye. The comparison is so absurd and the fact that you don't see that is absolutely mind blowing to me. You people are the reason why sponsors are worried to spend money on this. We're flipping out at the slightest issue. You're constructing this whole narrative where sponsors have to get concerned because we're sensitive little snowflakes.

It's time to grow up. Stop being afraid of words, stop making a fuss every time you get offended and the sponsors will do the same. This is pathetic and sad. Nothing of value was lost, no feelings that matter were hurt. The only thing that happened is you people thought "this is not within the boundaries of what I think is acceptable, and despite the complete lack of real consequences from the act itself, I demand retribution". It's a net loss for everyone.

Being rude is not a crime, being rude to a guy who's rude is even less of a crime. Everything was fine until people decided there was a problem. Stop overreacting and demanding retribution, it's making the scene weak.

Actually, people do get fired for things they say on social media. Happens all the time. Companies do care what you say if they employ you. Especially if your job entails interacting with the public (which Freak's does, unless you were unaware).

Sponsors not wanting to support people that act unprofessionally in the public eye when these very people are supposed to carry your brand is not "flaky", it's just business. No company wants their brand or their product associated with negativity. This isn't new, so stop acting like it is.

Blaming the reaction of the scene for the sponsor's (hypothetical) actions is also not productive. The notion that people should just not be offended by something that offends them is absurd. What Freak said was tantamount to bullying, full stop. Just because he didn't expect it to become public does not make it okay. If you're fine with people insulting you because you think you have "thick skin" or whatever, then that's your way of handling it, but many others don't take kindly to it.

Nobody said this was a crime, this isn't a courtroom, but nonetheless it was important that something be done. The public's reaction was obvious, and C9 as an organization knew they couldn't let it get any farther than it already had. This happens all the time in professional sports, where a team or a league fines or suspends a player for a time for something they said or did to placate the public and keep it from becoming a larger issue. Tiger Woods was even dropped from multiple sponsors because he couldn't keep it in his pants.

Don't act like this is an issue with our community or the scene. Just because you personally did not take issue with what he said does not magically make it okay. Not everyone thinks like you do, nor are they obligated to, despite your aggressive suggestion that they should.

I'm tired of this convo. I maintain everything I said. Sorry you people can't deal with being mildly offended.

People being offended is fine. People whining incessantly over silly things is dumb. You're evidently allowed to disagree but I think you're making a mockery of yourself. Pointing at the ridiculous status quo as an example to follow is just the funniest argument for me to read -_-
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