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Hmmm... My guess to all of these events is that with the recent successes and rapidly growing potential of e-sports, people are taking a lot of notice and and trying to ride the wave of competitive gaming, pushing the issue with the genres proven to have a popular and competitive nature.
My guess is that the next genre will soon be the FPS. I am also going to go out on a limb and say that this will come in the form of BF3. It has the potential to not be a flavor of the month FPS, and if it supports a modding community, or perhaps it will have competitve-non arcade game modes built into vanilla (hence why I don't believe MW3 and company here are canidates), it will have the stability, support, and popularity to breathe some life back into that genre, competitivley speaking of course.
Let's just hope Dice and EA don't screw up, or it might be quite awhile before we see something else of potential developed.
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Holy shit @ the breaking up of LGD. That's really unbelievable, I can't believe it'd be 4 people and ZSMJ left out...
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I didn't see where $6million comes from, AFAIK, the 4 member left LGD got like 30k RMB each.
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On August 04 2011 04:19 Vansetsu wrote:
Hmmm... My guess to all of these events is that with the recent successes and rapidly growing potential of e-sports, people are taking a lot of notice and and trying to ride the wave of competitive gaming, pushing the issue with the genres proven to have a popular and competitive nature.
My guess is that the next genre will soon be the FPS. I am also going to go out on a limb and say that this will come in the form of BF3. It has the potential to not be a flavor of the month FPS, and if it supports a modding community, or perhaps it will have competitve-non arcade game modes built into vanilla (hence why I don't believe MW3 and company here are canidates), it will have the stability, support, and popularity to breathe some life back into that genre, competitivley speaking of course.
Let's just hope Dice and EA don't screw up, or it might be quite awhile before we see something else of potential developed.
FPS is an incredibly though market to break into, especially as few stick it out in the long run; unlike RTS and fighters.
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On August 04 2011 04:41 nkwd wrote:
I didn't see where $6million comes from, AFAIK, the 4 member left LGD got like 30k RMB each.
I second this.
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Can someone tell me where the eff dota is getting all this money
and why is SC2 not getting it :[
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On August 04 2011 04:51 Eppa! wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 04:19 Vansetsu wrote:
Hmmm... My guess to all of these events is that with the recent successes and rapidly growing potential of e-sports, people are taking a lot of notice and and trying to ride the wave of competitive gaming, pushing the issue with the genres proven to have a popular and competitive nature.
My guess is that the next genre will soon be the FPS. I am also going to go out on a limb and say that this will come in the form of BF3. It has the potential to not be a flavor of the month FPS, and if it supports a modding community, or perhaps it will have competitve-non arcade game modes built into vanilla (hence why I don't believe MW3 and company here are canidates), it will have the stability, support, and popularity to breathe some life back into that genre, competitivley speaking of course.
Let's just hope Dice and EA don't screw up, or it might be quite awhile before we see something else of potential developed. FPS is an incredibly though market to break into, especially as few stick it out in the long run; unlike RTS and fighters.
I think the BF series (not counting spinoffs aimed at competing with games like CoD, MW, ect) has a pretty strong following. BF2 was a pretty huge hit, and with the necessity for a competitive capacity in games nowadays, I think it's a potential candidate. But I don't wanna derail this thread too much, it's just the first thing that came to mind with all of this sudden financial interest in DoTA.
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On August 04 2011 05:11 Gimmickkz wrote:
Can someone tell me where the eff dota is getting all this money
and why is SC2 not getting it :[
can't you just be happy esports is growing? every time i read anything about any other game than sc2 on these forums its just people bashing on said game, but than again it is an sc forum =/
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were these guys set to participate in the Valve tournament?
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On August 04 2011 05:45 mprs wrote:
were these guys set to participate in the Valve tournament?
yes
Wow. Thats really kinda nasty. I don't think the exact details will come out, but it would really suck if something nefarious cause the disbanding. q.q
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On August 04 2011 05:00 Ophi13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 04:41 nkwd wrote:
I didn't see where $6million comes from, AFAIK, the 4 member left LGD got like 30k RMB each. I second this.
i think the 6 millions are for buying out the whole CCM squad (wc3, dota, sc2) and not for lgd
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On August 04 2011 05:50 mdma-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 05:00 Ophi13 wrote:On August 04 2011 04:41 nkwd wrote:
I didn't see where $6million comes from, AFAIK, the 4 member left LGD got like 30k RMB each. I second this. i think the 6 millions are for buying out the whole CCM squad (wc3, dota, sc2) and not for lgd
Yes. 40 Million RMB/Yuan or 6 million USD is to buy the whole CCM team not just the dota squad ( although the main bulk of it is probably for the dota players as it's the main esports in China).
CCM was the heavy favourite coming in the tournament as well even amongst the Chinese teams.
Gimmickkz August 04 2011 05:11.
Can someone tell me where the eff dota is getting all this money
and why is SC2 not getting it :[
China man. They are kinda a big deal economically nowadays . And they can afford to spend money on these things. Unlike EU and US who are struggling with debts.
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On August 04 2011 04:19 Vansetsu wrote:
Hmmm... My guess to all of these events is that with the recent successes and rapidly growing potential of e-sports, people are taking a lot of notice and and trying to ride the wave of competitive gaming, pushing the issue with the genres proven to have a popular and competitive nature.
I'm 99% certain the Chinese DotA scene is not only independent of the rest of current (namely Western) eSports, but hardly even takes notice. This type of business venture is certainly unusual in my experience, even given China's economy, but I feel it has little to nothing to do with the "eSports bubble" in the rest of the world, and probably even not heavily influenced by DotA 2's imminent release to be honest.
I'm still surprised how few people involved with a site/community like this realized the scale of Chinese DotA before this whole recent Valve tournament announcement. I'm not surprised people are shocked by Valve's prize pool (I am as well) and I'm not surprised people think the tournament is mostly marketing (I do as well), but the number of people that have dismissed DotA entirely as an eSport until now is purely myopic. It's enormous in certain regions of the world, by far and away one of the most played games casually and competitively.
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So will TL get a DotA2 subforum? *hint hint*
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On August 04 2011 06:36 Duka08 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 04:19 Vansetsu wrote:
Hmmm... My guess to all of these events is that with the recent successes and rapidly growing potential of e-sports, people are taking a lot of notice and and trying to ride the wave of competitive gaming, pushing the issue with the genres proven to have a popular and competitive nature. I'm 99% certain the Chinese DotA scene is not only independent of the rest of current (namely Western) eSports, but hardly even takes notice. This type of business venture is certainly unusual in my experience, even given China's economy, but I feel it has little to nothing to do with the "eSports bubble" in the rest of the world, and probably even not heavily influenced by DotA 2's imminent release to be honest. I'm still surprised how few people involved with a site/community like this realized the scale of Chinese DotA before this whole recent Valve tournament announcement. I'm not surprised people are shocked by Valve's prize pool (I am as well) and I'm not surprised people think the tournament is mostly marketing (I do as well), but the number of people that have dismissed DotA entirely as an eSport until now is purely myopic. It's enormous in certain regions of the world, by far and away one of the most played games casually and competitively.
I'm talking about the root of the whole situation. I'm not saying DotA isn't huge already, let alone in China. I am saying companies like Valve are now starting to pay more attention to the competitive nature of their games and IP's, and pushing or promoting that aspect, instead of simply letting the community build it stand alone. Blizzard has stated themselves, they designed sc2 this time around to look pretty as an esport, it was an important part in a lot of aspects of the final product. All I am saying is with the success the community surrounding blizzards game has seen in growth and acceptance, I can't help to think when Valve (and potentially other companies that are more successful with other genre's) saw/sees this, that they are becoming more interested in supporting this type of direction.
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On August 04 2011 10:34 Vansetsu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 06:36 Duka08 wrote:On August 04 2011 04:19 Vansetsu wrote:
Hmmm... My guess to all of these events is that with the recent successes and rapidly growing potential of e-sports, people are taking a lot of notice and and trying to ride the wave of competitive gaming, pushing the issue with the genres proven to have a popular and competitive nature. I'm 99% certain the Chinese DotA scene is not only independent of the rest of current (namely Western) eSports, but hardly even takes notice. This type of business venture is certainly unusual in my experience, even given China's economy, but I feel it has little to nothing to do with the "eSports bubble" in the rest of the world, and probably even not heavily influenced by DotA 2's imminent release to be honest. I'm still surprised how few people involved with a site/community like this realized the scale of Chinese DotA before this whole recent Valve tournament announcement. I'm not surprised people are shocked by Valve's prize pool (I am as well) and I'm not surprised people think the tournament is mostly marketing (I do as well), but the number of people that have dismissed DotA entirely as an eSport until now is purely myopic. It's enormous in certain regions of the world, by far and away one of the most played games casually and competitively. I'm talking about the root of the whole situation. I'm not saying DotA isn't huge already, let alone in China. I am saying companies like Valve are now starting to pay more attention to the competitive nature of their games and IP's, and pushing or promoting that aspect, instead of simply letting the community build it stand alone. Blizzard has stated themselves, they designed sc2 this time around to look pretty as an esport, it was an important part in a lot of aspects of the final product. All I am saying is with the success the community surrounding blizzards game has seen in growth and acceptance, I can't help to think when Valve (and potentially other companies that are more successful with other genre's) saw/sees this, that they are becoming more interested in supporting this type of direction.
Ah, if you were implying that the teams/producers of these games might see this and get more interested and serious that seems completely logical haha
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On August 04 2011 05:41 Vansetsu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 04:51 Eppa! wrote:On August 04 2011 04:19 Vansetsu wrote:
Hmmm... My guess to all of these events is that with the recent successes and rapidly growing potential of e-sports, people are taking a lot of notice and and trying to ride the wave of competitive gaming, pushing the issue with the genres proven to have a popular and competitive nature.
My guess is that the next genre will soon be the FPS. I am also going to go out on a limb and say that this will come in the form of BF3. It has the potential to not be a flavor of the month FPS, and if it supports a modding community, or perhaps it will have competitve-non arcade game modes built into vanilla (hence why I don't believe MW3 and company here are canidates), it will have the stability, support, and popularity to breathe some life back into that genre, competitivley speaking of course.
Let's just hope Dice and EA don't screw up, or it might be quite awhile before we see something else of potential developed. FPS is an incredibly though market to break into, especially as few stick it out in the long run; unlike RTS and fighters. I think the BF series (not counting spinoffs aimed at competing with games like CoD, MW, ect) has a pretty strong following. BF2 was a pretty huge hit, and with the necessity for a competitive capacity in games nowadays, I think it's a potential candidate. But I don't wanna derail this thread too much, it's just the first thing that came to mind with all of this sudden financial interest in DoTA.
Battlefield games can be a competitive eSports title, but from a spectator's point of view, it can be a mess. That is the problem with team games since there are too many players to rotate the camera. CS 1.6 is easier on the eyes since the players use the same weapons most of the time: M4, AK-47, AWP, etc. The game format is easy to follow to, which is 15 rounds for each side: Counter-Terrorist and Terrorist and the first to win 16 rounds, wins. I've watched some DotA or MoBA matches and they can be intense sometimes, but most of the time, I get bored of watching. When the players get into a big battle, it can confuse the person (that has no knowledge of DotA) watching.
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This is stupid.
The DotA scene never felt viable as a serious (pro-BW serious, not WC3 or w/e) e-Sport because of shits like this... Players transfering, teams forming/disbanding on a daily basis. In a game with so much more focus on teamwork and much less on personal skill, how can you foster teamwork if your team-mates change frequently.
Just another news, not very good ones, i my eyes.
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