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Source:
http://dota.178.com/201108/106296243403.html
Basically, the China Team named CCM known for their DotA players, (they have SC2 and LoL players as well) has been bought for $6million big bucks.
They will be renamed to Invictus Gaming, also known for short as iG.
Their most famous SC2 player is arguably xiaoT.
Basically there is some sort of drama saying this business man (also a son of a billionaire) is causing another really stable and one of the strongest China team I know personally, LGD, to disband.
Before this million dollar tournament in IEM, which both iG and LGD is invited, 4 members of LGD has allegedly left the team. Sicong Wang is being "accused" of sowing seeds of discord in the team.
Will translate this news ASAP. Loose translation here:
+ Show Spoiler +CCM renamed to iG, LGD disbanded, WE will be next? With the news about the big prize of dota2 showmatch, Chinese dota scene also has many important events today. A rich man named Sicong Wang purchases the entire CCM clan including its sc2, dota and lol department, and thus CCM is renamed to iG(Invictus Gaming) now. Rumors said Sicong Wang takes 40,000,000 RMB to buy CCM, and this is just his first action to join Chinese esports. source: LGD Quickly, the further action has been taken. LGD's manager ruru confirmed LGD is disbanded. yyf, chuan,ch,830 quits LGD and zsmj still stay. Rumor said the 5th person is PIS. So these 5 people may form a new team called Wanda. Wanda is the company of Sicong Wang's father. I guess these 2 teams may focus on dota and dota2 respectively. But the thing doesn't end. After the disband declaration claimed by ruru, Sicong Wang responses to her inexact declaration as following: 1. iG is not related to Wanda company. 2. Initially iG makes a communication with 830 and yyf and wants to give them a better opportunity to do self development. a. The members of ex-LGD hope they can do it through their self efforts. b. Later the members of ex-LGD are convinced after they understand what iG can offer for them in essence. c. The members of ex-LGD believe iG is a professional and systematized clan and they don't need to bother anything except match. 3. iG lets the members of ex-LGD could consider this carefully, and hopes the ex-LGD still plays WCG in the name of LGD. At the meanwhile, the organizer of WCG confirms LGD can still participate in WCG. In other word, Sicong Wang just wants to say: The 4 members of LGD decides to leave LGD by themselve. Don't flame me making the most stable team in China disbaned. In addition, a rumor said WE will be reshuffled again and most of old members will quits. Not sure if related to Sicong Wang again. source: http://dota.178.com/201108/106296243403.htmllatest updated: 1. visa for 4 members of LGD is granted. 2. after the declaration claimed by Sicong Wang above, ruru responses that iG buys the 4 members of LGD in the prize of 200.000 RMB totally. 3. A big rumor said 2009 will come back to reform FTD fighting for GameCon in the name of iG. Do we will see such a FTP appearing in our sights? IG.FTD.2009 IG.FTD.CH IG.FTD.YYF IG.FTD.CHUAN IG.FTD.830GOD source: LGD I think this is very possible. Because you guys noted that this rich kid really want to make an earthquake on Chinese esports. His father recently sponsors 300,000,000 RMB to Chinese football league. So the folks fingure out this guy wanna create a Chinese esports league like Korean. So his first action is being reforming some pro teams and involving other teams joining the esports league. It is said that these days the similar things like the reshuffle of dota will happen on sc2, war3 and lol as well. In addition, zsmj has conflict with 2009 due to the enmity in FTD days(If you often visit sgamer, you should see the girlfriend of zsmj flamed 2009 several times. And LGD once officially announced a message mentioning 2009 took the money from LGD and then left. I think this was dicussed in gosu). This is the major reason why zsmj doesn't leave LGD. Actually as you see at #64 and according to the mood of zsmj, it seems that the big change on LGD is caused by 2009. Now 2009 comes back and take everything from zsmj. So sad for zsmj. I guess 2009 archives a private agreement with iG and promise the reborn FTP replacing LGD will champions GameCon for sure for iG for 2009's new boss. I guess they even plan to convince VALUE to yield to their requirement and allow iG.FTD to play GameCon. What a conspiracy theorist I am lol. 4. Rumors continues: Zhou and 430 may leave iG. The following is my guesses. You guys remembered the conflict between zhou/430 and the organizers of DMT? Yes. This is the root cause. Wanda company is located at Da Lian province and the organizers and sponsors of DMT comes from Da Lian province as well. Anyway, DMT is a commercial activity. Sicong Wang of course knows it, and thus he prepares to kick out zhou and 430 because they stir up trouble in Da Lian, his turf. If it is true, there is no any stable pro Chinese dota team any more. source: LGD 5. This is a thread from sgamer. The poster had a chat with iG.jason who is the spokesman of iG. In this picture, jason said 2009 is invited to be the special consultant and iG doesn't plan to form a new team around 2009. iG.FTD is not admitted at all. So those 4 members leave LGD and go to iG for what? WTF! 6. The 5th people might be EH.820 playing carry. If it is true, Ehome will be the next affected team. source: LGD 7. iG.jason said they don't invite zsmj because iG had already confirmed their final roster. Also, iG plans to own 2 teams but the members of 2 teams may exchange each other from time to time. So there is no different between them. WTF! Actually you just own 1 team with 10 members for enough substitute member? With team manager, you can form a football team like Wanda.
More news:
Edit 1
News 1: CCM is being bought by a billionaire's young son, and is renamed the invictus gaming.
News 2: 4 members from LGD (chuan,ch,830,yyf) has left LGD to join WanDa whereas ZSMJ chooses to stay in the team, LGD is disbanded temporarily.
News 1 is a mere rumour in sgamer whereas news 2 is comfirmed by ruru, LGD's manager, in the microblog post that she posted just now.
The interesting fact is, it person behind all this seems to be one person alone and he seems to have bought BOTH lgd (except zsmj) AND ccm....this sicong wang >.< (son of president of WanDa company, one of the richest person in china)
(Source: GosuGamer)
Edit 2:
I went to browse the China forums regarding LGD disbanding. Most of the replies are of disbelief and the fans seem generally disappointed (LGD is known as the "perfect team that stays together", kind of like those Hollywood couples who represent "true love")
Most of them want more details on why they disbanded and are all pretty upset by it @_@!
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wow! money being poured into esports!
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Theres already another thread out.
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Holy shit, 6 million. Serious business, I'd love money to toss around to manage my own team.
Lazarus, you there man? Let's start something ;D
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Will be updating this thread with news I can find from my dota background
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wow, gotta wonder how big will the dota2 scene be when it finally releases
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Chinease are the koreans of dota, but their is much less skill gap cause the game revolves around teamwork not just strategy. I am glad to see this happen though, I am big hon/dota player.
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wonder how much IM and oGs cost right now lol:p MC, Nestea and MVP is the best of 3 races and whoever buy these 2 teams will has the strongest roster in the history 
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New update:
1.eXLoSs Gaming created from one of chinese universities took over zsmj with other no-team players
2. Nekomata back to the scene!!! this is to fill up the new team.
3. LGD is still with zsmj but they'll be using new tag "eXLoSs' for GC
... i'm not sure about the sponsorship but here is the lineup:
eXLoSs.N3komata(c)
eXLoSs.ZSMJ
eXLoSs.Burning
eXLoSs.NataJ
eXLoSs.Dgc
might be a rumor.
Just got this from a gosugamer poster. :D
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On August 04 2011 02:59 Ophi13 wrote:
New update:
1.eXLoSs Gaming created from one of chinese universities took over zsmj with other no-team players
2. Nekomata back to the scene!!! this is to fill up the new team.
3. LGD is still with zsmj but they'll be using new tag "eXLoSs' for GC
... i'm not sure about the sponsorship but here is the lineup:
eXLoSs.N3komata(c)
eXLoSs.ZSMJ
eXLoSs.Burning
eXLoSs.NataJ
eXLoSs.Dgc
might be a rumor.
Just got this from a gosugamer poster. :D
Burning+ZSMJ+DGC Sick Line up(if this rumor is true)
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On August 04 2011 02:56 TheWarbler wrote:
Chinease are the koreans of dota, but their is much less skill gap cause the game revolves around teamwork not just strategy. I am glad to see this happen though, I am big hon/dota player.
the skill gap between chinese and non chinese teams is incredibly large. At ESWC no one could even touch Ehome, at smm 2010 they took top 4. At WDC Navi could take out a few chinese teams though, but top 2 was still chinese.
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On August 04 2011 03:21 mdma-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 02:56 TheWarbler wrote:
Chinease are the koreans of dota, but their is much less skill gap cause the game revolves around teamwork not just strategy. I am glad to see this happen though, I am big hon/dota player. the skill gap between chinese and non chinese teams is incredibly large. At ESWC no one could even touch Ehome, at smm 2010 they took top 4. At WDC Navi could take out a few chinese teams though, but top 2 was still chinese.
that was DTS, currently Na'Vi has 3 of the same players but their playstyle is very different from DTS because of the 2 different players.
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So basically, if I understand this properly, CCM and LGD were both bought out by the same gentleman to either become two new teams, or one large team with "two squads". CCM transitioned cleanly, but LGD members had mixed feelings and some internal tension, so that purchase went a lot less smoothly, and appears as a disband or fracture?
If I understand correctly?
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On August 04 2011 03:26 Duka08 wrote:
So basically, if I understand this properly, CCM and LGD were both bought out by the same gentleman to either become two new teams, or one large team with "two squads". CCM transitioned cleanly, but LGD members had mixed feelings and some internal tension, so that purchase went a lot less smoothly, and appears as a disband or fracture?
If I understand correctly?
CCM was bought out. LGD was not, but their members were "invited" with the exception of ZSMJ, the reasons can be speculated why he was not, but I'm sure skill was not one of them.
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On August 04 2011 03:27 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 03:26 Duka08 wrote:
So basically, if I understand this properly, CCM and LGD were both bought out by the same gentleman to either become two new teams, or one large team with "two squads". CCM transitioned cleanly, but LGD members had mixed feelings and some internal tension, so that purchase went a lot less smoothly, and appears as a disband or fracture?
If I understand correctly? CCM was bought out. LGD was not, but their members were "invited" with the exception of ZSMJ, the reasons can be speculated why he was not, but I'm sure skill was not one of them.
But the four members of LGD were "invited" to the same team (iG) that CCM became, yes? So there was probably some persuasion involved. According to some of the stories/netizens there is a bit of tension between some of the LGD members (to my surprise actually, as netizens have said they seem "solid"), so perhaps the invitation was extended to only one or two members or the captain first, who then approached the rest of the team EXCEPT zsmj.
Either way, interesting drama. That is a huge cash infusion though.
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On August 04 2011 03:15 parazice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 02:59 Ophi13 wrote:
New update:
1.eXLoSs Gaming created from one of chinese universities took over zsmj with other no-team players
2. Nekomata back to the scene!!! this is to fill up the new team.
3. LGD is still with zsmj but they'll be using new tag "eXLoSs' for GC
... i'm not sure about the sponsorship but here is the lineup:
eXLoSs.N3komata(c)
eXLoSs.ZSMJ
eXLoSs.Burning
eXLoSs.NataJ
eXLoSs.Dgc
might be a rumor.
Just got this from a gosugamer poster. :D Burning+ZSMJ+DGC Sick Line up(if this rumor is true)
I miss those epic blackholes. :D
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The DotA scene is so big over there in China. Actually, the DotA scene is huge in Asia in general with frequent matches between neighboring Asian countries. At first, I thought WC3 was huge in China, but DotA is a whole different level.
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DotA/WC3 in China (hype and skill wise) is like Starcraft:BW and SC2 in Korea.
Edit: They live in a team house and prac together etc as well
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Hmmm... My guess to all of these events is that with the recent successes and rapidly growing potential of e-sports, people are taking a lot of notice and and trying to ride the wave of competitive gaming, pushing the issue with the genres proven to have a popular and competitive nature.
My guess is that the next genre will soon be the FPS. I am also going to go out on a limb and say that this will come in the form of BF3. It has the potential to not be a flavor of the month FPS, and if it supports a modding community, or perhaps it will have competitve-non arcade game modes built into vanilla (hence why I don't believe MW3 and company here are canidates), it will have the stability, support, and popularity to breathe some life back into that genre, competitivley speaking of course.
Let's just hope Dice and EA don't screw up, or it might be quite awhile before we see something else of potential developed.
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Holy shit @ the breaking up of LGD. That's really unbelievable, I can't believe it'd be 4 people and ZSMJ left out...
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I didn't see where $6million comes from, AFAIK, the 4 member left LGD got like 30k RMB each.
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On August 04 2011 04:19 Vansetsu wrote:
Hmmm... My guess to all of these events is that with the recent successes and rapidly growing potential of e-sports, people are taking a lot of notice and and trying to ride the wave of competitive gaming, pushing the issue with the genres proven to have a popular and competitive nature.
My guess is that the next genre will soon be the FPS. I am also going to go out on a limb and say that this will come in the form of BF3. It has the potential to not be a flavor of the month FPS, and if it supports a modding community, or perhaps it will have competitve-non arcade game modes built into vanilla (hence why I don't believe MW3 and company here are canidates), it will have the stability, support, and popularity to breathe some life back into that genre, competitivley speaking of course.
Let's just hope Dice and EA don't screw up, or it might be quite awhile before we see something else of potential developed.
FPS is an incredibly though market to break into, especially as few stick it out in the long run; unlike RTS and fighters.
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On August 04 2011 04:41 nkwd wrote:
I didn't see where $6million comes from, AFAIK, the 4 member left LGD got like 30k RMB each.
I second this.
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Can someone tell me where the eff dota is getting all this money
and why is SC2 not getting it :[
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On August 04 2011 04:51 Eppa! wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 04:19 Vansetsu wrote:
Hmmm... My guess to all of these events is that with the recent successes and rapidly growing potential of e-sports, people are taking a lot of notice and and trying to ride the wave of competitive gaming, pushing the issue with the genres proven to have a popular and competitive nature.
My guess is that the next genre will soon be the FPS. I am also going to go out on a limb and say that this will come in the form of BF3. It has the potential to not be a flavor of the month FPS, and if it supports a modding community, or perhaps it will have competitve-non arcade game modes built into vanilla (hence why I don't believe MW3 and company here are canidates), it will have the stability, support, and popularity to breathe some life back into that genre, competitivley speaking of course.
Let's just hope Dice and EA don't screw up, or it might be quite awhile before we see something else of potential developed. FPS is an incredibly though market to break into, especially as few stick it out in the long run; unlike RTS and fighters.
I think the BF series (not counting spinoffs aimed at competing with games like CoD, MW, ect) has a pretty strong following. BF2 was a pretty huge hit, and with the necessity for a competitive capacity in games nowadays, I think it's a potential candidate. But I don't wanna derail this thread too much, it's just the first thing that came to mind with all of this sudden financial interest in DoTA.
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On August 04 2011 05:11 Gimmickkz wrote:
Can someone tell me where the eff dota is getting all this money
and why is SC2 not getting it :[
can't you just be happy esports is growing? every time i read anything about any other game than sc2 on these forums its just people bashing on said game, but than again it is an sc forum =/
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were these guys set to participate in the Valve tournament?
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On August 04 2011 05:45 mprs wrote:
were these guys set to participate in the Valve tournament?
yes
Wow. Thats really kinda nasty. I don't think the exact details will come out, but it would really suck if something nefarious cause the disbanding. q.q
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On August 04 2011 05:00 Ophi13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 04:41 nkwd wrote:
I didn't see where $6million comes from, AFAIK, the 4 member left LGD got like 30k RMB each. I second this.
i think the 6 millions are for buying out the whole CCM squad (wc3, dota, sc2) and not for lgd
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On August 04 2011 05:50 mdma-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 05:00 Ophi13 wrote:On August 04 2011 04:41 nkwd wrote:
I didn't see where $6million comes from, AFAIK, the 4 member left LGD got like 30k RMB each. I second this. i think the 6 millions are for buying out the whole CCM squad (wc3, dota, sc2) and not for lgd
Yes. 40 Million RMB/Yuan or 6 million USD is to buy the whole CCM team not just the dota squad ( although the main bulk of it is probably for the dota players as it's the main esports in China).
CCM was the heavy favourite coming in the tournament as well even amongst the Chinese teams.
Gimmickkz August 04 2011 05:11.
Can someone tell me where the eff dota is getting all this money
and why is SC2 not getting it :[
China man. They are kinda a big deal economically nowadays . And they can afford to spend money on these things. Unlike EU and US who are struggling with debts.
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On August 04 2011 04:19 Vansetsu wrote:
Hmmm... My guess to all of these events is that with the recent successes and rapidly growing potential of e-sports, people are taking a lot of notice and and trying to ride the wave of competitive gaming, pushing the issue with the genres proven to have a popular and competitive nature.
I'm 99% certain the Chinese DotA scene is not only independent of the rest of current (namely Western) eSports, but hardly even takes notice. This type of business venture is certainly unusual in my experience, even given China's economy, but I feel it has little to nothing to do with the "eSports bubble" in the rest of the world, and probably even not heavily influenced by DotA 2's imminent release to be honest.
I'm still surprised how few people involved with a site/community like this realized the scale of Chinese DotA before this whole recent Valve tournament announcement. I'm not surprised people are shocked by Valve's prize pool (I am as well) and I'm not surprised people think the tournament is mostly marketing (I do as well), but the number of people that have dismissed DotA entirely as an eSport until now is purely myopic. It's enormous in certain regions of the world, by far and away one of the most played games casually and competitively.
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So will TL get a DotA2 subforum? *hint hint*
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On August 04 2011 06:36 Duka08 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 04:19 Vansetsu wrote:
Hmmm... My guess to all of these events is that with the recent successes and rapidly growing potential of e-sports, people are taking a lot of notice and and trying to ride the wave of competitive gaming, pushing the issue with the genres proven to have a popular and competitive nature. I'm 99% certain the Chinese DotA scene is not only independent of the rest of current (namely Western) eSports, but hardly even takes notice. This type of business venture is certainly unusual in my experience, even given China's economy, but I feel it has little to nothing to do with the "eSports bubble" in the rest of the world, and probably even not heavily influenced by DotA 2's imminent release to be honest. I'm still surprised how few people involved with a site/community like this realized the scale of Chinese DotA before this whole recent Valve tournament announcement. I'm not surprised people are shocked by Valve's prize pool (I am as well) and I'm not surprised people think the tournament is mostly marketing (I do as well), but the number of people that have dismissed DotA entirely as an eSport until now is purely myopic. It's enormous in certain regions of the world, by far and away one of the most played games casually and competitively.
I'm talking about the root of the whole situation. I'm not saying DotA isn't huge already, let alone in China. I am saying companies like Valve are now starting to pay more attention to the competitive nature of their games and IP's, and pushing or promoting that aspect, instead of simply letting the community build it stand alone. Blizzard has stated themselves, they designed sc2 this time around to look pretty as an esport, it was an important part in a lot of aspects of the final product. All I am saying is with the success the community surrounding blizzards game has seen in growth and acceptance, I can't help to think when Valve (and potentially other companies that are more successful with other genre's) saw/sees this, that they are becoming more interested in supporting this type of direction.
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On August 04 2011 10:34 Vansetsu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 06:36 Duka08 wrote:On August 04 2011 04:19 Vansetsu wrote:
Hmmm... My guess to all of these events is that with the recent successes and rapidly growing potential of e-sports, people are taking a lot of notice and and trying to ride the wave of competitive gaming, pushing the issue with the genres proven to have a popular and competitive nature. I'm 99% certain the Chinese DotA scene is not only independent of the rest of current (namely Western) eSports, but hardly even takes notice. This type of business venture is certainly unusual in my experience, even given China's economy, but I feel it has little to nothing to do with the "eSports bubble" in the rest of the world, and probably even not heavily influenced by DotA 2's imminent release to be honest. I'm still surprised how few people involved with a site/community like this realized the scale of Chinese DotA before this whole recent Valve tournament announcement. I'm not surprised people are shocked by Valve's prize pool (I am as well) and I'm not surprised people think the tournament is mostly marketing (I do as well), but the number of people that have dismissed DotA entirely as an eSport until now is purely myopic. It's enormous in certain regions of the world, by far and away one of the most played games casually and competitively. I'm talking about the root of the whole situation. I'm not saying DotA isn't huge already, let alone in China. I am saying companies like Valve are now starting to pay more attention to the competitive nature of their games and IP's, and pushing or promoting that aspect, instead of simply letting the community build it stand alone. Blizzard has stated themselves, they designed sc2 this time around to look pretty as an esport, it was an important part in a lot of aspects of the final product. All I am saying is with the success the community surrounding blizzards game has seen in growth and acceptance, I can't help to think when Valve (and potentially other companies that are more successful with other genre's) saw/sees this, that they are becoming more interested in supporting this type of direction.
Ah, if you were implying that the teams/producers of these games might see this and get more interested and serious that seems completely logical haha
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On August 04 2011 05:41 Vansetsu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 04:51 Eppa! wrote:On August 04 2011 04:19 Vansetsu wrote:
Hmmm... My guess to all of these events is that with the recent successes and rapidly growing potential of e-sports, people are taking a lot of notice and and trying to ride the wave of competitive gaming, pushing the issue with the genres proven to have a popular and competitive nature.
My guess is that the next genre will soon be the FPS. I am also going to go out on a limb and say that this will come in the form of BF3. It has the potential to not be a flavor of the month FPS, and if it supports a modding community, or perhaps it will have competitve-non arcade game modes built into vanilla (hence why I don't believe MW3 and company here are canidates), it will have the stability, support, and popularity to breathe some life back into that genre, competitivley speaking of course.
Let's just hope Dice and EA don't screw up, or it might be quite awhile before we see something else of potential developed. FPS is an incredibly though market to break into, especially as few stick it out in the long run; unlike RTS and fighters. I think the BF series (not counting spinoffs aimed at competing with games like CoD, MW, ect) has a pretty strong following. BF2 was a pretty huge hit, and with the necessity for a competitive capacity in games nowadays, I think it's a potential candidate. But I don't wanna derail this thread too much, it's just the first thing that came to mind with all of this sudden financial interest in DoTA.
Battlefield games can be a competitive eSports title, but from a spectator's point of view, it can be a mess. That is the problem with team games since there are too many players to rotate the camera. CS 1.6 is easier on the eyes since the players use the same weapons most of the time: M4, AK-47, AWP, etc. The game format is easy to follow to, which is 15 rounds for each side: Counter-Terrorist and Terrorist and the first to win 16 rounds, wins. I've watched some DotA or MoBA matches and they can be intense sometimes, but most of the time, I get bored of watching. When the players get into a big battle, it can confuse the person (that has no knowledge of DotA) watching.
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This is stupid.
The DotA scene never felt viable as a serious (pro-BW serious, not WC3 or w/e) e-Sport because of shits like this... Players transfering, teams forming/disbanding on a daily basis. In a game with so much more focus on teamwork and much less on personal skill, how can you foster teamwork if your team-mates change frequently.
Just another news, not very good ones, i my eyes.
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On August 04 2011 05:41 Vansetsu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 04:51 Eppa! wrote:On August 04 2011 04:19 Vansetsu wrote:
Hmmm... My guess to all of these events is that with the recent successes and rapidly growing potential of e-sports, people are taking a lot of notice and and trying to ride the wave of competitive gaming, pushing the issue with the genres proven to have a popular and competitive nature.
My guess is that the next genre will soon be the FPS. I am also going to go out on a limb and say that this will come in the form of BF3. It has the potential to not be a flavor of the month FPS, and if it supports a modding community, or perhaps it will have competitve-non arcade game modes built into vanilla (hence why I don't believe MW3 and company here are canidates), it will have the stability, support, and popularity to breathe some life back into that genre, competitivley speaking of course.
Let's just hope Dice and EA don't screw up, or it might be quite awhile before we see something else of potential developed. FPS is an incredibly though market to break into, especially as few stick it out in the long run; unlike RTS and fighters. I think the BF series (not counting spinoffs aimed at competing with games like CoD, MW, ect) has a pretty strong following. BF2 was a pretty huge hit, and with the necessity for a competitive capacity in games nowadays, I think it's a potential candidate. But I don't wanna derail this thread too much, it's just the first thing that came to mind with all of this sudden financial interest in DoTA.
Battlefield games can be a competitive eSports title, but from a spectator's point of view, it can be a mess. That is the problem with team games since there are too many players to rotate the camera. CS 1.6 is easier on the eyes since the players use the same weapons most of the time: M4, AK-47, AWP, etc. The game format is easy to follow too, which is 15 rounds for each side: Counter-Terrorist and Terrorist and the first to win 16 rounds, wins. I've watched some DotA or MoBA matches and they can be intense sometimes, but most of the time, I get bored of watching. When the players get into a big battle, it can confuse the person (that has no knowledge of DotA) watching.
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To go a little off topic here: what team is YaphetS in now, and he used to be in CCM right?
430 leaving will suck, I loved his play during iCity pro. Sick AA!
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The name "Catastrophic Cruel Memory" will forever be etched as an catastrophic cruel memory on my brain.. 
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On August 04 2011 05:11 Gimmickkz wrote:
Can someone tell me where the eff dota is getting all this money
and why is SC2 not getting it :[
It's getting this money, but it's not really earning it. There's a difference between throwing money away and trying to grow eSports. The $1m Dota 2 tournament is purely a publicity stunt, which is fine for Valve, but it doesn't realy indicate anything about the state of eSports. Unlike real eSports tournaments, the Valve tournament doesn't aim to be sustainable, it aims to get a lot of attention for the Dota2 launch.
The CCM purchase is simply a case of a guy with too much money purchasing an eSports team. I cannot believe that any single Sports team has a $6m fair value today. How does he intend to get the money back on his investment? A team like oGs, which is well established tean in a well established eSport only got a 6 month sponsorship of $180,000 recently, and this was considered a big deal. How much of this can be considered "profit" after living expenses and travel expenses are paid? I just don't see CCM earning more than $600,000 in profit per year, which would make it a reasonable investment.
Both these Dota2 events make me think a bit of the famous Rumble in the Jungle fight between Ali and Foreman. eSports also had a few events like this in the past and very little came of them. They make a big splash, but ultimately if these organisations really wanted to promote eSports they would distribute the money much better. That's not to say that I'm unhappy about these events, but it's important that people don't mistake them for a sign of real eSports development (like MLG).
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On August 04 2011 12:56 zoLo wrote:
Battlefield games can be a competitive eSports title, but from a spectator's point of view, it can be a mess. That is the problem with team games since there are too many players to rotate the camera.
A map using a variant of rush mode would be decent at spectating if you have a free camera instead of being locked to the players. That way you have one point of interest with lots of flanks centred on it. This top view would see through trees and similar things in order to see the players. That way you can see a large portion of the action, think of the view you have in SC2 and similar RTS games, only that each individual unit is a player.
Kind of like the commander view in BF2, but better since you see both sides and can get the best angles for the map instead of top down. While also keeping the graphics high and interesting. Anybody trying to make it work for 64 players conquest mode would have to pre-record things from several different viewpoints and cut it together. Live would be impossible if you have many people and multiple objectives (unless the military command systems have advanced enough that we can borrow from their ideas). Already at the 10 players and 5 areas of interest of DotA and similar games you start having problems.
As for what this buyout means. A rumour states that he plans to take over the Chinese esports industry with leagues and so on. Doubt that is true though. Most likely he simply wanted to own a team, I know I would if I had the money.
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This is crazy as hell. 6 million for 1 team jesus
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So it isn't yet confirmed that CCM is bought by IG for 6 million, right?
Any chances it isn't true? If it is true, this is BIG.
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It's pretty much true I think. They were sporting the IG tags at WCG dota last night; although their TYJ team was still using CCM accounts.
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On August 06 2011 05:19 Dattish wrote:
With XiGua and xiaOt along with the dota team the investment pretty much means you'll dominate the chinese scene.
ex-OK,Nv and CCM seems very popular to buy when you want an esports team.
Edit: if WE.dota gets bought, I hope WE.SC2 and WE.WC3 stays the same, wouldn't like my favourite team to end up like the rest of the chinese sc2 scene...
xiaOt seems to be the manager/ceo of iG now. So they lost basically their best SC2 player. Which is sad.
News: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=251884
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6 million? Chump change
+ Show Spoiler +For his birthday present that is... holy shit wtf....
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On August 04 2011 21:29 Daigomi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 05:11 Gimmickkz wrote:
Can someone tell me where the eff dota is getting all this money
and why is SC2 not getting it :[
It's getting this money, but it's not really earning it. There's a difference between throwing money away and trying to grow eSports. The $1m Dota 2 tournament is purely a publicity stunt, which is fine for Valve, but it doesn't realy indicate anything about the state of eSports. Unlike real eSports tournaments, the Valve tournament doesn't aim to be sustainable, it aims to get a lot of attention for the Dota2 launch. The CCM purchase is simply a case of a guy with too much money purchasing an eSports team. I cannot believe that any single Sports team has a $6m fair value today. How does he intend to get the money back on his investment? A team like oGs, which is well established tean in a well established eSport only got a 6 month sponsorship of $180,000 recently, and this was considered a big deal. How much of this can be considered "profit" after living expenses and travel expenses are paid? I just don't see CCM earning more than $600,000 in profit per year, which would make it a reasonable investment. Both these Dota2 events make me think a bit of the famous Rumble in the Jungle fight between Ali and Foreman. eSports also had a few events like this in the past and very little came of them. They make a big splash, but ultimately if these organisations really wanted to promote eSports they would distribute the money much better. That's not to say that I'm unhappy about these events, but it's important that people don't mistake them for a sign of real eSports development (like MLG).
Everything after your first line seems well put and reasonable; but DotA has certainly 'earned' this; if it hasn't then no game has(even if it is in large part because of the Chinese involvement, but the same could be said for SC riding on Koreas back before the explosion in SC2).
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On August 04 2011 21:29 Daigomi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 05:11 Gimmickkz wrote:
Can someone tell me where the eff dota is getting all this money
and why is SC2 not getting it :[
It's getting this money, but it's not really earning it. There's a difference between throwing money away and trying to grow eSports. The $1m Dota 2 tournament is purely a publicity stunt, which is fine for Valve, but it doesn't realy indicate anything about the state of eSports. Unlike real eSports tournaments, the Valve tournament doesn't aim to be sustainable, it aims to get a lot of attention for the Dota2 launch. The CCM purchase is simply a case of a guy with too much money purchasing an eSports team. I cannot believe that any single Sports team has a $6m fair value today. How does he intend to get the money back on his investment? A team like oGs, which is well established tean in a well established eSport only got a 6 month sponsorship of $180,000 recently, and this was considered a big deal. How much of this can be considered "profit" after living expenses and travel expenses are paid? I just don't see CCM earning more than $600,000 in profit per year, which would make it a reasonable investment. Both these Dota2 events make me think a bit of the famous Rumble in the Jungle fight between Ali and Foreman. eSports also had a few events like this in the past and very little came of them. They make a big splash, but ultimately if these organisations really wanted to promote eSports they would distribute the money much better. That's not to say that I'm unhappy about these events, but it's important that people don't mistake them for a sign of real eSports development (like MLG).
I wouldn't say this guy is in it to make money, he is probably going to inherit his father's business empire and what is 6 million for an enthusiastic hobbyist? $6M for an esport team is a lot, but I'm sure everyone prefers to see that money in esports than in some lame rich person sport like polo or horse racing. I saw this episode of Aussie Millions Poker, 6 man table, 3 Chinese Businessman throwing around 1/2k blinds like they were 1/2$, I'm just happy that some rich guy found computer games to be his niche :D.
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Only 3 pages? Maybe this thread should be moved to somewhere else, It concerns starcraft 2 too, CCM sc2 team is one of the bests in China.
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dota is strategy and teamwork, sc2 is macro and micro however(sc2 much easier then sc1)
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6 milion serious buisness ?haha now it all makes sense invictus winning the international is the first step to get their money back and to profit a lifetime from this .
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