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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 09:25:42
April 09 2015 09:21 GMT
#18281
Aren't the Increased Duration clusters fairly mandatory? It's based on Firestorm for which I thought pretty much every build gets both. If the AoE works the same, then I guess getting AoE nodes will be bad (which is why it's good that you haven't chosen any). Plus, I think if you want to survive Lightning Thorns or Reflect, especially with that much crit, you will need Vaal Pact, which is close to the Increased Duration nodes. So I guess Scion would be the right choice.
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
April 09 2015 09:28 GMT
#18282
On April 09 2015 18:21 HolydaKing wrote:
Aren't the Increased Duration clusters fairly mandatory? It's based on Firestorm for which I thought pretty much every build gets both. If the AoE works the same, then I guess getting AoE nodes will be bad (which is why it's good that you haven't chosen any). Plus, I think if you want to survive Lightning Thorns or Reflect, especially with that much crit, you will need Vaal Pact, which is close to the Increased Duration nodes.

Getting Increased Duration would cost you a lot of Int Nodes. I didn't specced into Arcane Potency because you will most likly need the +30 dex +30 str nodes. Tho I forgot about those jucy Staff nodes. Path of the Savant, dang that I forgot that one ^^ Awesome for the new staff.
For Reflect, do we know anything about the scaling yet?

@Valle I like ur additions besides Arcane Potency
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Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
April 09 2015 11:27 GMT
#18283
On April 09 2015 18:28 bluQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 18:21 HolydaKing wrote:
Aren't the Increased Duration clusters fairly mandatory? It's based on Firestorm for which I thought pretty much every build gets both. If the AoE works the same, then I guess getting AoE nodes will be bad (which is why it's good that you haven't chosen any). Plus, I think if you want to survive Lightning Thorns or Reflect, especially with that much crit, you will need Vaal Pact, which is close to the Increased Duration nodes.

Getting Increased Duration would cost you a lot of Int Nodes. I didn't specced into Arcane Potency because you will most likly need the +30 dex +30 str nodes. Tho I forgot about those jucy Staff nodes. Path of the Savant, dang that I forgot that one ^^ Awesome for the new staff.
For Reflect, do we know anything about the scaling yet?

@Valle I like ur additions besides Arcane Potency

I'm quire sure increased duration is definitely worth getting even if it costs you some int, it's essentialy a "more" modifier for skills like firestorm/icestorm.
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Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
April 09 2015 11:33 GMT
#18284
dont forget unlike firestorm, ice storm creates chilled ground at the site of cast, so it would slow down chasing enemies and make them bathe in the storm longer
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 12:31:38
April 09 2015 12:30 GMT
#18285
On April 09 2015 20:27 Alur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 18:28 bluQ wrote:
On April 09 2015 18:21 HolydaKing wrote:
Aren't the Increased Duration clusters fairly mandatory? It's based on Firestorm for which I thought pretty much every build gets both. If the AoE works the same, then I guess getting AoE nodes will be bad (which is why it's good that you haven't chosen any). Plus, I think if you want to survive Lightning Thorns or Reflect, especially with that much crit, you will need Vaal Pact, which is close to the Increased Duration nodes.

Getting Increased Duration would cost you a lot of Int Nodes. I didn't specced into Arcane Potency because you will most likly need the +30 dex +30 str nodes. Tho I forgot about those jucy Staff nodes. Path of the Savant, dang that I forgot that one ^^ Awesome for the new staff.
For Reflect, do we know anything about the scaling yet?

@Valle I like ur additions besides Arcane Potency

I'm quire sure increased duration is definitely worth getting even if it costs you some int, it's essentialy a "more" modifier for skills like firestorm/icestorm.

Well yea if its mathematically a better dps output ofc you should go for it :D my aim was just to scrap as much int together to make it viable.
With Vaalpact + Inc Duration i'm not too sure about going CI because all those pathes kinda suck ^.^ but yea lots to think about... tho I'm still not a fan of the skill and the staff!
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
April 09 2015 13:24 GMT
#18286
Well, given that a 6s unlinked is a 7L for that staff (confirmed by GGG), it's probably gonna be quite potent. Maybe not extremely strong, but I have few doubts that it will be viable.
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 14:55:12
April 09 2015 14:54 GMT
#18287
On April 09 2015 22:24 HolydaKing wrote:
Well, given that a 6s unlinked is a 7L for that staff (confirmed by GGG), it's probably gonna be quite potent. Maybe not extremely strong, but I have few doubts that it will be viable.

and isn't it for like level 32 or something? (too lazy to dig up the announcment). So you could actually have 6link if it drops as ilv 35 with level 32...
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 17:14:15
April 09 2015 17:13 GMT
#18288
On April 09 2015 17:49 Vallelol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 17:03 bluQ wrote:
On April 09 2015 09:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
I suck at trees but here's a go:

https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgAAkNYhw_llV-EIZ-q6NAo3ZiymDXxXySj6uJPr7sBmRUcy0REtfIPN-iycEFiVBK-bMjQfAgQHK3gfxy2LbRlqQ8BUCPRfKuvkrJh0VUwtEQ8igZ6hVkqOPBdUoqPB83_GHNxQQi1HjDbfhAL-XfJCw3BSidNw1cNtXGuESPfXogAEs2jy8B8abJ2upwj3wZ_f73w8BZo77TzVpleUTLMtH5UgS64bJdlb34rpAuL3AW-LevnogsdTUkWdmuCnVXwOW6BDyE8E

370 int, I think a reasonable amount of ES and damage (spell, cold, ele, pen) as well. I chose Scion just cuz,but maybe other starts would be better. Templar would work as well. I think it'd be possible to convert to a EB build fairly easy as well.

My quick[mistakes* included] general outline for an Int build: https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgMA37AsnND1QZYFQkyzrrMRD9teUDAigZ6hVkqOPBdUTC1VxjpYrJiD218qdFWPRpuh99cpT-QihX3sOMBmRUe1BGpDwFS86i0fCPRJUfDVlS4HHhGWf8Zknev1j_ryHbmTwwljQw5IXfJwUonTcNWMNlBCoi4mPBbzL50V5_Brc7OMdp48tzHAGkbXVylxhTCXsUI5isNtXGuESKcrNbkdTxFQbRksv8HFVmMV14auSbHXz_k374iTJxzcDXzqurQMgwlGcRpsna6nCNWmgpvfitlbGyVLrukCFLCCHohCES8rCrb3

(*)like the one takin those hp/es nodes at Doom Cast ^^''

The scary part is; 235 % increased maximum Energy Shield from tree +400 Int. That would mean pre equip you get 315% ES. So even while wearing a 2H you should still be able to get pretty high ES numbers.
The crit, spelldmg and castspd are enough to get decent damage output (for current standards). I'm just curious if skilltree changes could affect stat-distribution in general.

On April 09 2015 08:20 Sn0_Man wrote:
you can get 700+ int on the tree without outright wasting points if you go for it.

its about 95 points to get all ur int and ES nodes tho so... yeah.

On the other hand, with 100% int increase, and say 200 int from gear, thats a 180 spell dmg staff and i'd guess around a level 23-4 firestorm freely 7linked. Also gratuitous amounts of ES, seriously.

Coming from a Pillar-Fanatic: several Pillar builds had endgame strength of about 650-700 (with gear). It's pretty achievable for Int too. And yea going CI, Int does kinda the same for your ES pool as Str does for Pillar chars. (just that pillar doesn't seem as good in comparison to the new unique ^^ welp nothing new we 2H lovers get screwed [still prayin to Chris for major 2H overhaul!])


https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgMA37AsnND1QZYFQkyzrrMRD9teUDAigZ6hVkqOPBdUTC2smF8qdFWPRpuh99cpT-QihX3sOMBmRUe1BElR8NWVLgceEZZ_xmSd6_WP-vIduZPDCWNDDkhd8nBSidNw1Yw2UEKiLiY8FvMvnRXn8Gtzs4x2njy3McAaRtdXKXGFMJexQjmKw21ca4RIpys1uR1PEVBtGSy_wcVWYxXXhq6TJxzcDXzqurQMgwlGcdWmgpvfitlbGyVLrukCFLCCHohCES8rCrb3kNYspjdmNAq2-vemjmQdFPrSZp4fxyt4LYsTcV6lWK4=

Updated your build with some different choices which are better in my opinion, got a lot of crit more (top left staff + spell nodes) and skipped the life/es nodes near shadow and invested those points for "Path of the Savant" above Scion. I also took the Chance to avoid interruption from stuns while spell casting at witch, because you are playing ES without unwavering, which means you will get stuned a lot!


I looked and was like "how'd they get more int than me, I must be bad." Then I realized you guys did lvl 100 trees. I decided not to take crit though.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 17:59:31
April 09 2015 17:59 GMT
#18289
Increased Duration is even more important now that they're removing EC/CWDT interaction, as having the nodes and the gem gives you absurd duration IC even with just a couple endurance charges.

On another note, accidental website spoiler leak hype!

+ Show Spoiler +
Holy socketed skill tree batman! With an emerald, no less!
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 09 2015 18:06 GMT
#18290
oh wow interesting
I wasn't like THAT certain that it was a socketed skill tree but I also didn't read the article
what time is embargo lifted tomorrow anyway?
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8509 Posts
April 09 2015 18:44 GMT
#18291
What do you mean by socketed skilltree?
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 18:46:09
April 09 2015 18:45 GMT
#18292
check out the last image in this album:
WARNING: SPOILERSSSSSSSS although i don't think that actually bothers anybody
http://imgur.com/a/EXvIK

of note, duelist will stay at about 2% of all chars I expect looking at that tree
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Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 20:48:50
April 09 2015 20:38 GMT
#18293
On April 04 2015 14:26 Invoker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2015 12:52 Dracolich70 wrote:
On April 04 2015 06:42 Invoker wrote:
A friend of mine found a wand today, actually we're in party play. He picked it up but he had no slot so it flipped and then i guess he said fuck it and left the map. So naturally I picked it up, as I always pick up wands and shit. And then boom. 120 Spell damage 20 cast speed wand. Sold it for 10 ex. Easiest exalts of my life.
Moral of the story is, did you split the earnings with your friend, or threw a few ex at his way, or decided to rub it in?

Nice pick up regardlessly.


Rub it in He stopped playing after getting 4/4 on both leagues anyway.
Nasty :D. It is a new version of Finders Keepers. Perhaps more karma based like, "He, who is greedy, shall miss out on the true valuables in life".

On April 10 2015 02:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Increased Duration is even more important now that they're removing EC/CWDT interaction, as having the nodes and the gem gives you absurd duration IC even with just a couple endurance charges.

On another note, accidental website spoiler leak hype!

+ Show Spoiler +
Holy socketed skill tree batman! With an emerald, no less!
That is pretty good news, that they are removing EC/CWDT interaction.
LiangHao
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
April 09 2015 21:00 GMT
#18294
On April 10 2015 03:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
check out the last image in this album:
WARNING: SPOILERSSSSSSSS although i don't think that actually bothers anybody
http://imgur.com/a/EXvIK

of note, duelist will stay at about 2% of all chars I expect looking at that tree


Immediatly went to look at my graphics settings to see why the game doesnt look as nice as the screen shots xD. usually always turn them down for performance even though my machine is pretty decent but I wish it looked as nice as those SSs!
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 09 2015 21:04 GMT
#18295
Yeah most of those screens look really nice, I expect part of it has to do with the new act4 environments being new and as such prettier
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Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
April 09 2015 22:01 GMT
#18296
The katana thing looks neat, that seems pretty high crit multi as an implicit, makes melee sound more and more appealing to try out.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 23:41:05
April 09 2015 23:39 GMT
#18297
The best part about the new environments is that the seems to be no rain to be found (well, maybe in one zone from the looks of it). Yaaaaaaay.

On April 10 2015 07:01 Kickstart wrote:
The katana thing looks neat, that seems pretty high crit multi as an implicit, makes melee sound more and more appealing to try out.


Bring back 2-hand Spectral Throw? Maybe those wacky sword crit nodes by Ondar's Guile are getting a tweak.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 10 2015 00:06 GMT
#18298
well spectral throw's damage has been toned down so far that it will never compare with bows anymore imo
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Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
April 10 2015 01:11 GMT
#18299
On April 10 2015 09:06 Sn0_Man wrote:
well spectral throw's damage has been toned down so far that it will never compare with bows anymore imo

well, spectral throw just has such strong innate mechanics that its always going to be either trash or overpowered...
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
April 10 2015 03:01 GMT
#18300
Looks like we're going to version 2.0.0 boys and girls! Hold on to your hats until 10 A.M. PST!
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