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Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
January 24 2013 10:51 GMT
#3761
On January 24 2013 19:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:
you guys are hitting Act 1 cruel and I haven't even started to download the patch :p

Don't worry, some of us only made it to Ledge normal before needing to go to work :D
heishe
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany2284 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-24 11:39:35
January 24 2013 11:30 GMT
#3762
On January 24 2013 16:43 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 16:19 heishe wrote:
I actually wanted to purchase a special weapon effect yesterday, but they're like $15 lol. I already had 100 points from my pre-purchase, but the $5 package suspiciously yields 46 points only where you need 150 total to get a weapon effect, so I'd need to get the $10 package. And someone who had no points would have to buy two $10 packages to get an effect ... come on GGG, don't do stuff like that. It's kind of obvious you're maximizing your money at fairly big inconvenience for the customer here.


Its a free to game game no one is forcing you to buy. GGG could have gone the way other free2play companies do with xp boost and all sort of pay2win crap but they didn't because they got integrity. So yea it might be inconvenient but really no1 forcing you


That's simply a fanboy excuse. Just because they do other things right doesn't make this not wrong. You can't condone bad business practices - ever. Especially when GGG has gone out of their way to emphasize how they are the whitest knights in the universe and 0% about screwing customers. And this is a way of screwing customers, although there are of course worse things. Instead of being honest and saying "Here, an effect is $15. I hope you enjoy it". They say "hey an effect is worth about $15 but we can't give you $15 to buy but instead $14.50 so you have to buy another pack for $5. we can't tell you why that is but trust me... it's not because we want your money, we're not about screwing customers over". It's just shady and bad, no matter how good the game is or who's behind it. Stuff like this needs to be mentioned early. If they want to play white knight they should juts be 100% honest with their customers, always, and give you an option to pay only what you want to buy. Not $5 more. If they want $20 for their skins they should charge $20 and be honest with the customer. Not this shady way.

Would you be fine with a supermarket that doesn't give back change? I mean, it's optional, right? Nobody has to buy their stuff, right? There's a reason there are laws against this in the normal world.
If you value your soul, never look into the eye of a horse. Your soul will forever be lost in the void of the horse.
MrKn4rz
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2153 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-24 11:42:49
January 24 2013 11:39 GMT
#3763
I do agree but you should probably take this to their forum in the suggestion section. They are always listening to the community and I am sure if enough people complain they will either change some of the prices or give additional payment options. Anyone who reads the PoE forum regularly will tell you the same. It has been less then a day since the new shop has been available and the game is not even fully released. Give them a break.
"We don't take kindly to folks who don't take kindly around here..."
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 24 2013 12:22 GMT
#3764
On January 24 2013 20:30 heishe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 16:43 Benjamin99 wrote:
On January 24 2013 16:19 heishe wrote:
I actually wanted to purchase a special weapon effect yesterday, but they're like $15 lol. I already had 100 points from my pre-purchase, but the $5 package suspiciously yields 46 points only where you need 150 total to get a weapon effect, so I'd need to get the $10 package. And someone who had no points would have to buy two $10 packages to get an effect ... come on GGG, don't do stuff like that. It's kind of obvious you're maximizing your money at fairly big inconvenience for the customer here.


Its a free to game game no one is forcing you to buy. GGG could have gone the way other free2play companies do with xp boost and all sort of pay2win crap but they didn't because they got integrity. So yea it might be inconvenient but really no1 forcing you


That's simply a fanboy excuse. Just because they do other things right doesn't make this not wrong. You can't condone bad business practices - ever. Especially when GGG has gone out of their way to emphasize how they are the whitest knights in the universe and 0% about screwing customers. And this is a way of screwing customers, although there are of course worse things. Instead of being honest and saying "Here, an effect is $15. I hope you enjoy it". They say "hey an effect is worth about $15 but we can't give you $15 to buy but instead $14.50 so you have to buy another pack for $5. we can't tell you why that is but trust me... it's not because we want your money, we're not about screwing customers over". It's just shady and bad, no matter how good the game is or who's behind it. Stuff like this needs to be mentioned early. If they want to play white knight they should juts be 100% honest with their customers, always, and give you an option to pay only what you want to buy. Not $5 more. If they want $20 for their skins they should charge $20 and be honest with the customer. Not this shady way.

Would you be fine with a supermarket that doesn't give back change? I mean, it's optional, right? Nobody has to buy their stuff, right? There's a reason there are laws against this in the normal world.


I am almost 100% sure GGG mentioned exp boosts in the shop. There will be exp boosts in poe.
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Broodwurst
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1586 Posts
January 24 2013 12:40 GMT
#3765
On January 24 2013 21:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 20:30 heishe wrote:
On January 24 2013 16:43 Benjamin99 wrote:
On January 24 2013 16:19 heishe wrote:
I actually wanted to purchase a special weapon effect yesterday, but they're like $15 lol. I already had 100 points from my pre-purchase, but the $5 package suspiciously yields 46 points only where you need 150 total to get a weapon effect, so I'd need to get the $10 package. And someone who had no points would have to buy two $10 packages to get an effect ... come on GGG, don't do stuff like that. It's kind of obvious you're maximizing your money at fairly big inconvenience for the customer here.


Its a free to game game no one is forcing you to buy. GGG could have gone the way other free2play companies do with xp boost and all sort of pay2win crap but they didn't because they got integrity. So yea it might be inconvenient but really no1 forcing you


That's simply a fanboy excuse. Just because they do other things right doesn't make this not wrong. You can't condone bad business practices - ever. Especially when GGG has gone out of their way to emphasize how they are the whitest knights in the universe and 0% about screwing customers. And this is a way of screwing customers, although there are of course worse things. Instead of being honest and saying "Here, an effect is $15. I hope you enjoy it". They say "hey an effect is worth about $15 but we can't give you $15 to buy but instead $14.50 so you have to buy another pack for $5. we can't tell you why that is but trust me... it's not because we want your money, we're not about screwing customers over". It's just shady and bad, no matter how good the game is or who's behind it. Stuff like this needs to be mentioned early. If they want to play white knight they should juts be 100% honest with their customers, always, and give you an option to pay only what you want to buy. Not $5 more. If they want $20 for their skins they should charge $20 and be honest with the customer. Not this shady way.

Would you be fine with a supermarket that doesn't give back change? I mean, it's optional, right? Nobody has to buy their stuff, right? There's a reason there are laws against this in the normal world.


I am almost 100% sure GGG mentioned exp boosts in the shop. There will be exp boosts in poe.


I'm 100% sure theys said the exact opposite
Fanboys = (ウ╹◡╹)ウ /// I like smiley faces
Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
January 24 2013 12:42 GMT
#3766
On January 24 2013 12:00 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
I never beat the 2nd act of D2 because I usually got bored and quit before then; we'll see if this game will be any different.

I don't see why it would be any different at all.

That said, I don't see how you could get so bored from Diablo 2 without even beating it.

Diablo 2 is a terribly boring game, but that's once you've at least gotten a character or two to beat the game on nightmare (or hell). I couldn't see leaving after act 2.
"Then he told me to tell you that he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" — "Well, you tell him that I said that I wouldn't piss on him if he was on Jeopardy!"
neurosx
Profile Joined August 2011
Luxembourg1096 Posts
January 24 2013 12:46 GMT
#3767
On January 24 2013 20:30 heishe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 16:43 Benjamin99 wrote:
On January 24 2013 16:19 heishe wrote:
I actually wanted to purchase a special weapon effect yesterday, but they're like $15 lol. I already had 100 points from my pre-purchase, but the $5 package suspiciously yields 46 points only where you need 150 total to get a weapon effect, so I'd need to get the $10 package. And someone who had no points would have to buy two $10 packages to get an effect ... come on GGG, don't do stuff like that. It's kind of obvious you're maximizing your money at fairly big inconvenience for the customer here.


Its a free to game game no one is forcing you to buy. GGG could have gone the way other free2play companies do with xp boost and all sort of pay2win crap but they didn't because they got integrity. So yea it might be inconvenient but really no1 forcing you


That's simply a fanboy excuse. Just because they do other things right doesn't make this not wrong. You can't condone bad business practices - ever. Especially when GGG has gone out of their way to emphasize how they are the whitest knights in the universe and 0% about screwing customers. And this is a way of screwing customers, although there are of course worse things. Instead of being honest and saying "Here, an effect is $15. I hope you enjoy it". They say "hey an effect is worth about $15 but we can't give you $15 to buy but instead $14.50 so you have to buy another pack for $5. we can't tell you why that is but trust me... it's not because we want your money, we're not about screwing customers over". It's just shady and bad, no matter how good the game is or who's behind it. Stuff like this needs to be mentioned early. If they want to play white knight they should juts be 100% honest with their customers, always, and give you an option to pay only what you want to buy. Not $5 more. If they want $20 for their skins they should charge $20 and be honest with the customer. Not this shady way.

Would you be fine with a supermarket that doesn't give back change? I mean, it's optional, right? Nobody has to buy their stuff, right? There's a reason there are laws against this in the normal world.


Sorry but a LOT of micro transaction games force you to pay more than you need, HoN, LoL, Dota2, Aion.. Doesn't mean it's right but it's just the way it is right now
You'll wish I'd never stooped to notice you.
heishe
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany2284 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-24 13:04:49
January 24 2013 12:50 GMT
#3768
On January 24 2013 21:46 neurosx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 20:30 heishe wrote:
On January 24 2013 16:43 Benjamin99 wrote:
On January 24 2013 16:19 heishe wrote:
I actually wanted to purchase a special weapon effect yesterday, but they're like $15 lol. I already had 100 points from my pre-purchase, but the $5 package suspiciously yields 46 points only where you need 150 total to get a weapon effect, so I'd need to get the $10 package. And someone who had no points would have to buy two $10 packages to get an effect ... come on GGG, don't do stuff like that. It's kind of obvious you're maximizing your money at fairly big inconvenience for the customer here.


Its a free to game game no one is forcing you to buy. GGG could have gone the way other free2play companies do with xp boost and all sort of pay2win crap but they didn't because they got integrity. So yea it might be inconvenient but really no1 forcing you


That's simply a fanboy excuse. Just because they do other things right doesn't make this not wrong. You can't condone bad business practices - ever. Especially when GGG has gone out of their way to emphasize how they are the whitest knights in the universe and 0% about screwing customers. And this is a way of screwing customers, although there are of course worse things. Instead of being honest and saying "Here, an effect is $15. I hope you enjoy it". They say "hey an effect is worth about $15 but we can't give you $15 to buy but instead $14.50 so you have to buy another pack for $5. we can't tell you why that is but trust me... it's not because we want your money, we're not about screwing customers over". It's just shady and bad, no matter how good the game is or who's behind it. Stuff like this needs to be mentioned early. If they want to play white knight they should juts be 100% honest with their customers, always, and give you an option to pay only what you want to buy. Not $5 more. If they want $20 for their skins they should charge $20 and be honest with the customer. Not this shady way.

Would you be fine with a supermarket that doesn't give back change? I mean, it's optional, right? Nobody has to buy their stuff, right? There's a reason there are laws against this in the normal world.


Sorry but a LOT of micro transaction games force you to pay more than you need, HoN, LoL, Dota2, Aion.. Doesn't mean it's right but it's just the way it is right now


Defeatist stance. Even more so since the makers of HoN, LoL, etc. don't pride themselves in being white knights of the gaming community. By the way Dota 2 doesn't have that kind of stuff afaik. If you want to purchase something for $2 you can as far as I'm aware just buy $2 in store money.
If you value your soul, never look into the eye of a horse. Your soul will forever be lost in the void of the horse.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
January 24 2013 14:47 GMT
#3769
I've played a couple thousand games of LoL and never paid anything.
-Dustin-
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States718 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-24 14:54:07
January 24 2013 14:52 GMT
#3770
On January 24 2013 23:47 travis wrote:
I've played a couple thousand games of LoL and never paid anything.

You can also play a PoE forever and never pay anything.
On January 24 2013 21:50 heishe wrote:
That's simply a fanboy excuse. Just because they do other things right doesn't make this not wrong. You can't condone bad business practices - ever. Especially when GGG has gone out of their way to emphasize how they are the whitest knights in the universe and 0% about screwing customers. And this is a way of screwing customers, although there are of course worse things. Instead of being honest and saying "Here, an effect is $15. I hope you enjoy it". They say "hey an effect is worth about $15 but we can't give you $15 to buy but instead $14.50 so you have to buy another pack for $5. we can't tell you why that is but trust me... it's not because we want your money, we're not about screwing customers over". It's just shady and bad, no matter how good the game is or who's behind it. Stuff like this needs to be mentioned early. If they want to play white knight they should juts be 100% honest with their customers, always, and give you an option to pay only what you want to buy. Not $5 more. If they want $20 for their skins they should charge $20 and be honest with the customer. Not this shady way.

Would you be fine with a supermarket that doesn't give back change? I mean, it's optional, right? Nobody has to buy their stuff, right? There's a reason there are laws against this in the normal world.


I understand the complaint but we can't do anything about the price on items in the item mall go to the PoE forums and try there. But as already stated most micro-transaction games do this as above stated LoL, and HoN are great examples. I don't agree with it personally but I also never purchase anything on these games.
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
January 24 2013 14:53 GMT
#3771
On January 24 2013 21:50 heishe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 21:46 neurosx wrote:
On January 24 2013 20:30 heishe wrote:
On January 24 2013 16:43 Benjamin99 wrote:
On January 24 2013 16:19 heishe wrote:
I actually wanted to purchase a special weapon effect yesterday, but they're like $15 lol. I already had 100 points from my pre-purchase, but the $5 package suspiciously yields 46 points only where you need 150 total to get a weapon effect, so I'd need to get the $10 package. And someone who had no points would have to buy two $10 packages to get an effect ... come on GGG, don't do stuff like that. It's kind of obvious you're maximizing your money at fairly big inconvenience for the customer here.


Its a free to game game no one is forcing you to buy. GGG could have gone the way other free2play companies do with xp boost and all sort of pay2win crap but they didn't because they got integrity. So yea it might be inconvenient but really no1 forcing you


That's simply a fanboy excuse. Just because they do other things right doesn't make this not wrong. You can't condone bad business practices - ever. Especially when GGG has gone out of their way to emphasize how they are the whitest knights in the universe and 0% about screwing customers. And this is a way of screwing customers, although there are of course worse things. Instead of being honest and saying "Here, an effect is $15. I hope you enjoy it". They say "hey an effect is worth about $15 but we can't give you $15 to buy but instead $14.50 so you have to buy another pack for $5. we can't tell you why that is but trust me... it's not because we want your money, we're not about screwing customers over". It's just shady and bad, no matter how good the game is or who's behind it. Stuff like this needs to be mentioned early. If they want to play white knight they should juts be 100% honest with their customers, always, and give you an option to pay only what you want to buy. Not $5 more. If they want $20 for their skins they should charge $20 and be honest with the customer. Not this shady way.

Would you be fine with a supermarket that doesn't give back change? I mean, it's optional, right? Nobody has to buy their stuff, right? There's a reason there are laws against this in the normal world.


Sorry but a LOT of micro transaction games force you to pay more than you need, HoN, LoL, Dota2, Aion.. Doesn't mean it's right but it's just the way it is right now


Defeatist stance. Even more so since the makers of HoN, LoL, etc. don't pride themselves in being white knights of the gaming community. By the way Dota 2 doesn't have that kind of stuff afaik. If you want to purchase something for $2 you can as far as I'm aware just buy $2 in store money.


If you want it then pay for it. If you don't then dont. It's not required. Really easy.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 24 2013 15:03 GMT
#3772
Quick question:

Can you change where your passive skill tree points are allocated after you place them? I'm wondering, because I like to make up my own builds in games rather than just doing some cookie-cutter build to start, but if I can't replace points later, I'll have to weigh that against potentially playing a character and then hitting a wall when I get to the point where I either can't survive or do enough damage. Will this be a problem?

So I guess, to split it up:

Can you replace points after you've placed them, or do you just have to make another character to try different builds?
Can you still be effective playing the game if you haven't maximized your build and have something sub-optimal instead, or will you hit a wall where you can't continue?
you gotta dance
heishe
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany2284 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-24 15:08:08
January 24 2013 15:04 GMT
#3773
On January 24 2013 23:53 Infernal_dream wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 21:50 heishe wrote:
On January 24 2013 21:46 neurosx wrote:
On January 24 2013 20:30 heishe wrote:
On January 24 2013 16:43 Benjamin99 wrote:
On January 24 2013 16:19 heishe wrote:
I actually wanted to purchase a special weapon effect yesterday, but they're like $15 lol. I already had 100 points from my pre-purchase, but the $5 package suspiciously yields 46 points only where you need 150 total to get a weapon effect, so I'd need to get the $10 package. And someone who had no points would have to buy two $10 packages to get an effect ... come on GGG, don't do stuff like that. It's kind of obvious you're maximizing your money at fairly big inconvenience for the customer here.


Its a free to game game no one is forcing you to buy. GGG could have gone the way other free2play companies do with xp boost and all sort of pay2win crap but they didn't because they got integrity. So yea it might be inconvenient but really no1 forcing you


That's simply a fanboy excuse. Just because they do other things right doesn't make this not wrong. You can't condone bad business practices - ever. Especially when GGG has gone out of their way to emphasize how they are the whitest knights in the universe and 0% about screwing customers. And this is a way of screwing customers, although there are of course worse things. Instead of being honest and saying "Here, an effect is $15. I hope you enjoy it". They say "hey an effect is worth about $15 but we can't give you $15 to buy but instead $14.50 so you have to buy another pack for $5. we can't tell you why that is but trust me... it's not because we want your money, we're not about screwing customers over". It's just shady and bad, no matter how good the game is or who's behind it. Stuff like this needs to be mentioned early. If they want to play white knight they should juts be 100% honest with their customers, always, and give you an option to pay only what you want to buy. Not $5 more. If they want $20 for their skins they should charge $20 and be honest with the customer. Not this shady way.

Would you be fine with a supermarket that doesn't give back change? I mean, it's optional, right? Nobody has to buy their stuff, right? There's a reason there are laws against this in the normal world.


Sorry but a LOT of micro transaction games force you to pay more than you need, HoN, LoL, Dota2, Aion.. Doesn't mean it's right but it's just the way it is right now


Defeatist stance. Even more so since the makers of HoN, LoL, etc. don't pride themselves in being white knights of the gaming community. By the way Dota 2 doesn't have that kind of stuff afaik. If you want to purchase something for $2 you can as far as I'm aware just buy $2 in store money.


If you want it then pay for it. If you don't then dont. It's not required. Really easy.


What I want isn't even being discussed here. You missed the point. This is about the fact that they try to pull psychological shenanigans to make the customer pay more than he wants to. It's dishonest.

That being said I just wanted to bring this problem to everyones attention and replied to some answers. I don't want to clutter this thread so we should probably not keep going (I'll post something on the support forums later when I get home from work).
If you value your soul, never look into the eye of a horse. Your soul will forever be lost in the void of the horse.
Tennet
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1458 Posts
January 24 2013 15:08 GMT
#3774
On January 25 2013 00:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Quick question:

Can you change where your passive skill tree points are allocated after you place them? I'm wondering, because I like to make up my own builds in games rather than just doing some cookie-cutter build to start, but if I can't replace points later, I'll have to weigh that against potentially playing a character and then hitting a wall when I get to the point where I either can't survive or do enough damage. Will this be a problem?

So I guess, to split it up:

Can you replace points after you've placed them, or do you just have to make another character to try different builds?
Can you still be effective playing the game if you haven't maximized your build and have something sub-optimal instead, or will you hit a wall where you can't continue?

Some quests give you refund points and there is currency that gives you one refund point (Orb of Regret).
"The harder it gets, the more you need to focus on the basics." - Seo Gyung Jong
Dirkinity
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany409 Posts
January 24 2013 15:13 GMT
#3775
Finished Act1 but lost some motivation. My char sucks pretty hard. I have a templer with Raise Zombie but I lack a good Spell. Spark is kinda meh and I have no other AoE spell. :o
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12764 Posts
January 24 2013 15:15 GMT
#3776
Just wondering, if I bought some cool special weapon effect, can I take out that special effect and put it onto another weapon later on?
same with armor
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Percutio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1672 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-24 15:56:01
January 24 2013 15:16 GMT
#3777
On January 25 2013 00:13 Dirkinity wrote:
Finished Act1 but lost some motivation. My char sucks pretty hard. I have a templer with Raise Zombie but I lack a good Spell. Spark is kinda meh and I have no other AoE spell. :o

I pretty much instantly rerolled after being in a similar situation. I did have a melee aoe around me as well but I knew I was just messing my character up.
What does it matter how I loose it?
k0pf
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany180 Posts
January 24 2013 15:19 GMT
#3778
On January 25 2013 00:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Quick question:

Can you change where your passive skill tree points are allocated after you place them? I'm wondering, because I like to make up my own builds in games rather than just doing some cookie-cutter build to start, but if I can't replace points later, I'll have to weigh that against potentially playing a character and then hitting a wall when I get to the point where I either can't survive or do enough damage. Will this be a problem?

So I guess, to split it up:

Can you replace points after you've placed them, or do you just have to make another character to try different builds?
Can you still be effective playing the game if you haven't maximized your build and have something sub-optimal instead, or will you hit a wall where you can't continue?


You can respec some points per play through. With orbs of regret you can theoretically respec all but that would be insanely expensive.
Dont worry about your build too much. You will have Problems with weak builds in the late game. But i guess almost every build can beat the game atleast once.

One note : dont try to build super glass cannons... You need some defense ;-)
-Dustin-
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States718 Posts
January 24 2013 15:19 GMT
#3779
On January 25 2013 00:15 ETisME wrote:
Just wondering, if I bought some cool special weapon effect, can I take out that special effect and put it onto another weapon later on?
same with armor

I believe so if you click your item mall tab it has a remove from item option.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
January 24 2013 15:22 GMT
#3780
Bring up any game by Valve when it comes to "free-to-play" isn't really relevant. Their business model basically comes to bringing more people into steam. The game itself doesn't actually have to pay for itself (relative to other companies).
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