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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
Harvest new design feel like just another encounter, that lets u get some extra craft. Think most people will be doing this. And will be core part of SSF. The Heist seems like one more complex mechanism to the game. Think GGG always wanted this to go core. It isn't so much the encounter that makes this complex but more that there keeps getting more and more new types of items added that affect the passive tree, or the skill gems. I am split between loving all the possibilities it offers and getting annoyed over the amount of stuff you have to consider. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
Something like Betrayal/Heist or even things like Incursion, Blight or Metamorph force you to interact with systems where you kind of really want to check a wiki or quick guide even early on when being confronted with the mechanic and/or choices regarding it. Something like Breach/Abyss/Legion/Harbinger or even Bestiary/Essence/Synthesis on the other hand is first and foremost "cool random shit" in a map and the moment when you would want to look things up is way, way later and tied pretty much directly to big encounters and boss fights. To me there's this clear divide between more or less "big and complex"-type league mechanics like the former group and "simple, just kill shit for now, pick up some new crap and worry about more later"-type league mechanics like the latter group. The former make for cool and really interesting league mechanics but, at least for me, end up feeling really draining once I have to deal with more and more of them in core since they all feel like they want to be the star of the show. The latter have maybe 3-4 things each maximum I need to keep in mind during encounters and hence end up being actual nice side content to break up maps. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5256 Posts
When they just wholesale add something like they are doing with Heist, it just feels like too much. Granted, they put so much work into the Rogues, their voice acting, the whole system behind it, that I get they don't want it to go to waste. Like Betrayal, I do think it's pretty fun listening to their banter and what not. I think you're a bit harsh though, Evo. Blight and Metamorph are pretty straight forward tbh. Blight is just a bit tedious after a while. Incursion is generally liked for the pack size, even if one ignores the temple. I think if they just cleaned up Betrayal and Heist, things would be better. (also I miss synthesis ;-; ) The more I think about it, the more I realize that the upcoming atlas passive trees are kind of like the "MTG-style rotation" that some of us mentioned, but instead of certain elements being actually rotated out and making their fans mad, we have to choose it ourselves. The relative power of the atlas passives, and their location in the atlas regions will likely change league to league. I think it's a neat idea, but it's behind another layer of optimization and micromanagement. One side note related to so many complicated leagues in a row - there are tons of unique item types / gems / enchantments / orbs / ??? that it's hard to keep up with how to optimize a character. Granted, I haven't played much the last two leagues, but I still put in a decent number of hours and watch streams and what not. I also feel kinda pushed into focusing on 1, maybe 2 builds, since there are so many things you want to do to optimize everything. That might be a me problem though. | ||
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haitike
Spain2722 Posts
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On January 09 2021 19:59 EchelonTee wrote: One side note related to so many complicated leagues in a row - there are tons of unique item types / gems / enchantments / orbs / ??? that it's hard to keep up with how to optimize a character. Granted, I haven't played much the last two leagues, but I still put in a decent number of hours and watch streams and what not. I also feel kinda pushed into focusing on 1, maybe 2 builds, since there are so many things you want to do to optimize everything. That might be a me problem though. Echelon is a stupid casual who has to consult the wiki to find out which quality type is optimal for each of his 24 gems. | ||
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Soltanol
Germany55 Posts
Especially the way they implement harvest, i was ready to skip anything harvest related because setting up the perfekt garden was such a hazzle. If only there had been an "import garden setup" function for lazy people like me  | ||
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Miragee
8627 Posts
On January 08 2021 06:20 HolydaKing wrote: After all the Heist patches, Heist doors were ok. With some items that increased speed it wasn't much of a bother anymore. But early on they deserved all the hate they got, since the AI of the Heist members was just dogshit, often they would not open the doors until you were close enough to the door, sometimes they'd bug out completely etc. So I bet a lot of people just play too much Heist early on and then gave up on it. I think the league was way too OP in terms of loot, so the small waits were justified after all the fixed went through. Heist would be perfect if there were no doors until espace, the loot would need to be a little bit worse as well (which it will be now for sure considering it won't be the main league anymore). That's fair. I was fortunate enough to start about 1 month late into the league, so I didn't encounter massive amounts of bugs. One rogue bugged out a single time, that's it. I also agree with no doors until escape. Or at least no doors on the main pathway until escape and just doors to loot rooms. A bit unrelated but I found to be a bit annoying as a more casual was the amount of crates that spawned in maps - or rather the lack of them. I couldn't even finish my story heists because later on I wouldn't see any crates whatsoever. I ran a whole weekend of T14-16 maps (mind you, I'm not super fast but it's still a ton of maps) to get the last 2 green contracts and I didn't find a single crate. Not one. I ended up just Heisting and buying a couple things to get to 24 challenges instead. On January 08 2021 06:23 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: I'd say leveling rogues is more my disdain for the league personally than doors. If I get a good heist I want to run then I don't want to go back and grind a bunch of crappy heists to level up and equip. In general, stopping or back tracking is the antithesis of good game play. I understand that you're supposed to be defending them from attack and it forces you to clear, but the timing on it is irritating. If they're a desired gate then I think they should have more density and be much less frequent. One big fight per Heist versus having to stop and wait several times would improve the flow considerably. Will add that I have not played Heist recently. Tolerating the content after having to grind items/level on your rogues seems unlikely to improve my stance though. Yeah, I can get behind that part. Levelin rogues could have been made easier (I mean, it's a fairly abitrary time gate) and the amount of contracts you need to run a Heist could have been reduced. On January 09 2021 09:11 Alur wrote: I also feel like it's becoming a bit much. A lot of systems to learn, some of which I still don't 100% understand (hello betrayal). I think part of it is also saving players from themselves, many players probably lack the discipline to neglect systems that are inefficient or even the ones they don't really enjoy. Players lack the discipline to neglect systems that are inefficient? If anything players lack the ability to just play for fun instead of only going for efficiency these days. Even single player games. They treat it like a second job or something. At least the vocal majority online. On January 09 2021 18:47 r.Evo wrote: I actually think Delve is by far the only "complicated" mechanic that's well done, because it's a) completely isolated and b) can be completely ignored in favor of currency if desired. Something like Betrayal/Heist or even things like Incursion, Blight or Metamorph force you to interact with systems where you kind of really want to check a wiki or quick guide even early on when being confronted with the mechanic and/or choices regarding it. Something like Breach/Abyss/Legion/Harbinger or even Bestiary/Essence/Synthesis on the other hand is first and foremost "cool random shit" in a map and the moment when you would want to look things up is way, way later and tied pretty much directly to big encounters and boss fights. To me there's this clear divide between more or less "big and complex"-type league mechanics like the former group and "simple, just kill shit for now, pick up some new crap and worry about more later"-type league mechanics like the latter group. The former make for cool and really interesting league mechanics but, at least for me, end up feeling really draining once I have to deal with more and more of them in core since they all feel like they want to be the star of the show. The latter have maybe 3-4 things each maximum I need to keep in mind during encounters and hence end up being actual nice side content to break up maps. I think that's a question of design philosophy. At some point, if you create a complex game, you are bound to look up a wiki or guides to see what players collectively have found out. It's a bit like research in science. There is too much and it's so complext that you have to read papers in order to move forward with your own research. The question is, do you want a complex game or not, or rather what level of complexity. In the end, the skill system in PoE alone is complex enough that you need to open up a wiki to really find out what works and how to combine stuff. You can make a build without without the wiki/guides, just like doing a Heist etc. but you will most likely not be able to connect all the dots. You can see that as a negative, others see it as a positive. Spending a whole day on the wiki to figure stuff out is fun to me and that's what matters. I understand it's not fun to everyone though. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On January 11 2021 12:35 Sapaio wrote: I like the idea of new passive tree to atlas. Noticed that al most all types encounters to node. Except Zana (understandable) and heist. I find it bit strange that they want heist as core part of game but for some reason there isn't atlas node that allows u to focus on it. Lira Arthain tree has Heist passives | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5256 Posts
5% chance for whole map to be Einhar beasts, in Tirn's End, sounds like it'll be hilarious, for example | ||
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Miragee
8627 Posts
On January 11 2021 19:09 EchelonTee wrote: My brain's kind of melting trying to figure out this atlas passive stuff. I think I'll just pick the ones I like and not min max, at least the first go around 5% chance for whole map to be Einhar beasts, in Tirn's End, sounds like it'll be hilarious, for example Same. And that node sounds pretty insane to be honest. Especially paired with the 30 % chance to replace a yellow with a red beast, lol. Turns a T1 map into a T16 map in terms of difficulty. Unless I'm missunderstanding something. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
Feeling that many of the nodes jump up the difficulty of the maps and very few make them easier. So u got to be careful. Another question can u get all the nodes in one area or is the a max of like for main nodes per area? Also is the any example of the small nodes? | ||
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haitike
Spain2722 Posts
On January 12 2021 01:26 Sapaio wrote: Some of the nodes saying increase in basic currency, so is that all non league and encounter specific currency. Even Mirror or is it just the bad currency? Tried to goggle it, but can not find definition on it. Someone asked on Reddit and Bex answered that it includes mirror, yes. It includes non-league currency (so no splinters, oils, etc.) | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On January 12 2021 01:26 Sapaio wrote: Some of the nodes saying increase in basic currency, so is that all non league and encounter specific currency. Even Mirror or is it just the bad currency? Tried to goggle it, but can not find definition on it. Feeling that many of the nodes jump up the difficulty of the maps and very few make them easier. So u got to be careful. Another question can u get all the nodes in one area or is the a max of like for main nodes per area? Also is the any example of the small nodes? It's 10 points per region so you can't get everything, but there is a new regret orb for it. | ||
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nukem1
345 Posts
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
Champion, Assassin, Necro, Trickster got hit HARD. Champion less so, but still. | ||
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Pwere
Canada1557 Posts
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