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On December 31 2018 00:58 r.Evo wrote:
I gave this chaos recipe guide a try like 2 leagues ago, probably one of the most efficient ways of going about it, including specific filters and whatnot.

Conclusion: It's okay if you're slow and like playing some tetris over making currency or are plain bad when it comes to pricing items. It's worse than most alternatives though. The core issue is that it's best very early in a league (first 3-5 days) when you can convert to exalts or *really* need your first gear upgrades. However, that's also the time when random shititems sell for good money. Can't imagine doing something like this more than a week into a league, gigantic waste of time compared to even just mapping at a reasonable pace.

In general I'd say ~10-15% of my currency is from straight drops, ~10-20% from lucky high tier drops and the remaining amount stems from a mixture of keeping currency in its most effective form at the time (e.g. not keeping chaos as chaos if alterations will go up soon) combined with crafting and pricing rares well. If I really want to make money now I'd farm uberlab or low level delves. Investing into items that you know will rise in price more than exalts (e.g. Might of the Meek / Unnatural Instincts) is also reasonable but can burn you if they rise slower than expected.

Based on experience with friends who are in the "I don't have currency because I don't get many drops"-category they bleed money like hell because they undervalue rares or buy currency/maps as needed and not as investments.

When it comes to selling rares people tend to undervalue obscure combos a bit and can easily lose an exalt here and there, especially when it comes to jewelry. When in doubt, stop for a second when you see multiple high tier rolls even if you're not sure if they're actually a good combination. Pricing something too high and reducing prices (unless you're confident that someone will pay a high amount soon) is also way better than lowballing yourself by accident.

What I mean by "buying currency/maps as investments": Everyone needs things likes alts, divines, annuls or fusings. Every league, at some point. If it's day2 and I don't need my chaos now then I convert most of them to these currencies. If I really need chaos I convert back and boom, more chaos than before. Exalts are usually a safe but not the best investment.

Analogue for maps: If I buy a T10 here and there if I'm in the mood or out of maps I'll lose money because the price of the maps will keep falling (or become so low that I wouldn't bother to sell it). If I buy everything I need quickly even at a high price early on it won't be an issue because I can sell excess drops over the next day or two for an amount close to what I payed initially. The later in the league, the slower prices change in general.

In general though there are loads of great ways of making currency at this point, pick a niche you enjoy and roll with it until you're rich/want to do something else. Lab, delves, (fossil-)crafting, flipping, buying items to annul/mastercraft and resell, bossing (in HC) or just mapping fast and efficiently. You're usually just screwed if you're really inefficient (e.g. by picking up wisdom scrolls) or try to profit from things way past the regular player curve (e.g. bossing in SC two weeks in).

On December 31 2018 08:58 ThaddeusK wrote:
Chaos recipe's biggest problem is that it is just not that fun.

On December 31 2018 15:47 TheYango wrote:
If I'm gonna do that stuff it's going to be alt-tabbed like Sero said. Playing hideout loot tetris takes more of my attention than mapping does (especially trying to do it fast), I don't see how that's a "break" of any sort.

Fiddling around with items in my stash feels like work and is the most boring and least fun part of this game. If I want a break between maps, that's like the last thing I want to do. Stash management time is something I'm aiming to minimize when I'm playing PoE. That doesn't mean I'm trying to "speedrun" everything else, it means that I find stash management boring and don't want to be doing it all the time.


Which is part of why it's not efficient. For chaos recipe to be worth doing, you have to have a system/have the muscle memory to do it quickly. You don't go into doing chaos recipe automatically able to perfectly menu everything and not waste time dragging items around. If you are bad at it and/or don't have an efficient system, it's not going to be effective. To do it quickly, you have to do it enough to be familiar with your system and practice it. But if it's both not fun AND not effective until you practice it a bunch, what's the motivation to practice it? You're going to be losing value AND having less fun up to the point where you get good at your system (at which point you're not losing value but still having less fun).

The people who are able to rapidly set up and acclimate to a system for doing chaos recipe efficiently are the kind of people who are doing those optimizations to every aspect of their PoE play already (and how they play games in general), hence "someone who plays fast is going to menu fast". Someone who isn't already playing with that kind of mindset isn't suddenly going to adapt quickly to this super specific case of setting up tabs for doing chaos recipe.

On December 31 2018 02:22 -Archangel- wrote:

So you earn most of your money by not playing the game but playing the market?
Well we (I) already knew that this is best way to earn money. But most of us actually don't like to do this.

On December 31 2018 20:46 ThaddeusK wrote:


I think you may be overestimating "put the gloves in the glove tab" and then abit later, "take one item from each of these tabs in a row" I mean it's great if you can do it at 400 apm, but it's hardly some complex difficult task that needs to be done perfectly or else. You have a full minute to stash 9 items and then unstash 9 items and vendor them to make 120 chaos per hour, 30 apm will do.

edit: and just to be clear, I'm not trying to convince ppl to do the chaos recipe, i don't do it anymore, if you don't like it then don't do it. But it has competitive chaos per hour if you are just alch and go'ing as long as you are even attempting to use a system to do it.

On January 02 2019 00:38 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I didn't do mastermind until I was in high yellow maps (which generated the bulk of my intelligence) and it was ilevel 68, lower than the prior safehouses I had done. I did do a lot of (basically every) syndicate encounter leveling up, though they didn't generate much intelligence, so if you didn't maybe yours will end up higher.