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Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-11 14:10:50
December 11 2012 14:07 GMT
#2881
I think the lock issue in PoE is part of their system of predicting what is going to happen. The same system also causes desync all the time. I hope they find a way to fix this. They like to do ingame animations to cover for that work the system is doing at that time.

I am sure most of you don't know that each time enemies stop and do some taunt animation they are actually being synced with server. Taunt is only there so they don't just stand there looking stupid.
Vandro
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands384 Posts
December 11 2012 14:17 GMT
#2882
Chris said: "I'm aware that desync is a problem. It has to be mostly fixed over the next month as we prepare for Open Beta."

Note that better sync generally means more rubber-banding, easier cheating or certain game systems being changed.

For example, in Diablo 3 they removed the ability to miss, removed the ability to be stunned, made all attacks work regardless of range, removed the ability for monsters to block you on the server, etc.

Personally, I dont mind that PoE has no animation canceling.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-11 15:04:12
December 11 2012 14:57 GMT
#2883
On December 11 2012 23:04 heishe wrote:
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On December 11 2012 21:49 bgx wrote:
A little ? Yes it improved. Compare how it works today with videos from half year ago.

They want to fix the desync issues when Open Beta hits.

Kinda shows the difference when a game has several the /few times(D3/TL2) the budget of PoE. Certain things can't be really done with the power of thought


In terms of graphics and sound effects, I certainly agree. But they could improve the feel of the combat system with a couple of inexpensive tweaks a lot I think.

E.g. there's a noticable delay between your input and what actually happens on the screen. For example, when you hit something, your character gets stuck in this mode where he can't do anything else until his animation finishes (at least that's how it was 3 months ago). Then there's the fact that the sound effects and the animations are not synchronized well, which confuses your brain and defeats force-feedback. These are things which I can't imagine being very expensive to implement (in terms of man-hours), but it's probably pretty annoying to do (manual labor) so they push it off until the game is in the final polishing stages.

D3 has this exact same thing as well, but the lock-time is just much, much shorter. I think they could reduce this lock time in PoE as well and it would feel a lot better.

Im not sure but maybe its connected to netcode, netcode is ATM the most hot issue with PoE.

What i perceived myself is even slight latency difference gives a very noticeable difference, 120 latency vs 80 latency for example is noticeable, also picking up items/opening chests give a slight delay sometimes i don't even need to check the latency graph to know. It also affects the delay when mob is getting hit which creates a feel of "disconnect" in experience.

I dont exatcly know how ARPGs work from inside, i could say more about FPS like CS. CS 1.6 and Source for example use lag and interpolation compensation mechanics, and for FPS its double edged sword as even if the game looks smoother on higher latencies while using it, it is "lying" to you, which made the whole movement few years ago in 1.6 community on enforcing certain settings that give you an almost correct position of your opponent but foregoing some smootheness.

I don't know heck about ARPGs in that regard but i would love to see how the game feels in 0 latency to properly judge. What i have the gripe for is when you reach certain speed attacks, certain "powerful" animations became trivial and feel "weak"(as they are sped up).

D3 is not really perfect, it may be perfect in animation framing but what these animation represent, sometimes ruins the experience to me. Sanctuary is not a place for WoW overacted animations. Just look at monk...
Stork[gm]
Gentso
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2218 Posts
December 11 2012 17:58 GMT
#2884
On December 11 2012 21:41 heishe wrote:
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On December 11 2012 01:56 beef42 wrote:

On December 11 2012 00:02 heishe wrote:
Has the combat system received some improvements since 3 months ago?


Not sure what you mean - there are more gems and stuff but the combat system is the same.


The combat system is clunky, badly animated and has no fluency to it at all. There's no force feedback when you hit anything, the graphical effects are not very good, and the sound effects are pretty bad as well.

D3 did this very well, T2 did this okay-ish, and Path of Exile does it terribly. I thought they might have improved it a little. But I guess not.


It's a major issue, yes. However, it does fix itself with high move and attack speed. That's what I'm worried about for this game, is that first impressions is going to turn off the majority if people who will try it, because it takes time for the game to become great.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
December 11 2012 18:10 GMT
#2885
The animation lock is frustrating to play with, as kiting is almost non-existent. You mostly fire 1 shot and then realize the guy's already up in your face cause it took you so long. Aside from that this game suffers like any other loot driven ARPG where the loot you're picking up, no matter the rarity, is mostly useless for you. The lack of a real economy at low levels also makes trading rather awkward.

This feels like another one of those games that boasts a very impressive niche feature, and then kind of failed to make a good game around that concept. Although I am enjoying my time with it, I hope they do some serious tweaking of the game mechanics/engine in the OB.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Tennet
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1458 Posts
December 11 2012 18:24 GMT
#2886
Most the items you pick up at low levels can be made into currency items for later use.
"The harder it gets, the more you need to focus on the basics." - Seo Gyung Jong
Scythe90
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia137 Posts
December 13 2012 16:00 GMT
#2887
I'm not sure what the situation with beta keys is like, but if someone has a key they dont need I would be interested in trying this game out.
ParanoiaDHerO
Profile Joined July 2009
United States183 Posts
December 13 2012 18:55 GMT
#2888
I'm really enjoying this game so far, my friend let me use his account after he donated 10 to get instant access. Probably gonna just pay the 10 myself, and I suggest anyone wanting to try it probably just do that, it's very fun and has a lot of potential.
AllHailTheDead
Profile Joined July 2011
United States418 Posts
December 13 2012 21:12 GMT
#2889
damn this game is great. I played the Beta way back when act 2 way just released. Just did the 3hour turbo event(joined with only an hour left). Such a nice change of pace compared to D3


I think my HC caster templar will go far when I play later on
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
December 13 2012 22:55 GMT
#2890
Really want to get into this game, but I just cant'.... Every now and then I update it again, play a character to level 5 or something, look at the skill tree, become absolutely overwhelmed by it, can't decide what to spec into fearing to fuck up the whole character and close the game again.

I know the deep skill tree is like the bestestest feature of the game but for me it's just way too much. x_x
Kevmeister @ Dota2
Pibacc
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada545 Posts
December 13 2012 23:17 GMT
#2891
On December 14 2012 07:55 FliedLice wrote:
Really want to get into this game, but I just cant'.... Every now and then I update it again, play a character to level 5 or something, look at the skill tree, become absolutely overwhelmed by it, can't decide what to spec into fearing to fuck up the whole character and close the game again.

I know the deep skill tree is like the bestestest feature of the game but for me it's just way too much. x_x


Look at the PoE forums and find a build that intrigues you. Then just copy their skill tree as you go and if you find you need to tweak things then do it. You'll never get it right your first time, so just don't worry too much about it.
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
December 13 2012 23:18 GMT
#2892
On December 14 2012 07:55 FliedLice wrote:
Really want to get into this game, but I just cant'.... Every now and then I update it again, play a character to level 5 or something, look at the skill tree, become absolutely overwhelmed by it, can't decide what to spec into fearing to fuck up the whole character and close the game again.

I know the deep skill tree is like the bestestest feature of the game but for me it's just way too much. x_x


I feel ya, just remember that (with some effort) you can reskill later on. So it's actually not that bad.
11 years and counting- TL #680
Obstikal
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
616 Posts
December 14 2012 00:28 GMT
#2893
On December 14 2012 07:55 FliedLice wrote:
Really want to get into this game, but I just cant'.... Every now and then I update it again, play a character to level 5 or something, look at the skill tree, become absolutely overwhelmed by it, can't decide what to spec into fearing to fuck up the whole character and close the game again.

I know the deep skill tree is like the bestestest feature of the game but for me it's just way too much. x_x



lol dont worry about it man. Trust me everyone thinks that the first time but just play and you will be exposed to it as you go on. I've played 3char's to 20's and it starts out the same way every time but its exposing me to other areas and im learning as I go.

It's a really fun game and its easy to party with ppl.

On a side note: Did anyone play in the race today and want to share their experience ? I was going to party with a few ppl i've met in game and do it but I had to go :/
Shivaz
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1783 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-14 03:19:14
December 14 2012 03:14 GMT
#2894
what do you want to know about the races? I havent raced in a while these days now with finals and waiting for open beta etc, but I have completed quiet a few races. They are all mostly TURBO(monsters attack/cast/move 60% faster compared to normal races) solo HC races, and everytime I have done them I was always top 1-3 maraduer (The class I play for races) and have won a couple of demi gods. My experience in party races is limited because I prefer not to do it as a party of 6 has a huge advantage compared to a solo player (obviously), the 1-2 times I have done party races with my friend as a party of 2 only we still managed to finish top 1-3 of our respective class. At the moment if you are a solid solo player you can probably solo your way to top 5 of your class in a party race as the competition for races atm is just not that big since its the beta,

I cant wait to try the upcoming cutthroat events soon though they havent had one of these since August last time I remember.

edit: I would like to mention I prefer TURBO races pretty much exclusively its much more interesting compared to the normal races that feels very stale to me, because in TURBO even good players can die depending on their risky play style which makes it exciting as you want to take risks but also play safe at the same time.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-14 10:11:11
December 14 2012 10:02 GMT
#2895
On December 14 2012 07:55 FliedLice wrote:
Really want to get into this game, but I just cant'.... Every now and then I update it again, play a character to level 5 or something, look at the skill tree, become absolutely overwhelmed by it, can't decide what to spec into fearing to fuck up the whole character and close the game again.

I know the deep skill tree is like the bestestest feature of the game but for me it's just way too much. x_x

And you have nothing to lose ... it is closed beta. You would be really suprised how simpler this tree starts to look after a week, and then you start having fun with experimenting or building classes.
Stork[gm]
polity
Profile Joined March 2012
54 Posts
December 14 2012 21:26 GMT
#2896
i would like to have a beta key too
thx u so much
MVega
Profile Joined November 2010
763 Posts
December 14 2012 21:28 GMT
#2897
Just got into this a few days ago. This is surprisingly fun. Not at all what I was expecting. I was expecting D2 honestly but I got something so much deeper, more difficult, and because of that more rewarding. Awesome stuff!
bumkin: How can you play like 50 games per day... I 4gate 2 times then it's nap time
Obstikal
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
616 Posts
December 15 2012 02:02 GMT
#2898
Oh man these races sound like so much fun.. I cant wait to take part in them!!

This game is like D2 but way improved and more complex, creative and strategic. There's some minor problems but its beta and these guys are offering this game for free so profits arent as huge as they should be for a game of this caliber.
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
December 15 2012 02:28 GMT
#2899
downloading game atm

what's the most noob friendly class and what is the funnest class to play?
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
Daumen
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1073 Posts
December 15 2012 02:29 GMT
#2900
On December 14 2012 19:02 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 07:55 FliedLice wrote:
Really want to get into this game, but I just cant'.... Every now and then I update it again, play a character to level 5 or something, look at the skill tree, become absolutely overwhelmed by it, can't decide what to spec into fearing to fuck up the whole character and close the game again.

I know the deep skill tree is like the bestestest feature of the game but for me it's just way too much. x_x

And you have nothing to lose ... it is closed beta. You would be really suprised how simpler this tree starts to look after a week, and then you start having fun with experimenting or building classes.


Also you can check the PoE Website for the Class Tree, you can Select your Class and start Skilling and checking what you can do. You can even search for specific stats, thats probably the smart thing to do... dont just check whats available, check what you want and look for it, see where it is and what you need to get it, what Path is smarter / faster etc....
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