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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10848 Posts
December 06 2017 17:38 GMT
#26641
Dark Pact was new and strong but got nerfed pretty hard.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
December 06 2017 17:44 GMT
#26642
oh yeah DP

I'm sure DP + Skeletons is still a solid skill for sure it was just too easy to do self-cast to bother with that garbage
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Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-06 18:08:30
December 06 2017 17:48 GMT
#26643
I'll probably start with something easy like Cleave Glad just to get comfy maps rolling asap. I'd like to try something with a bow eventually, Mathil's Chain Ice Shot Raider looked super cool, love that full screen clear/shatter stuff, but I assume character's like that are probably a bit more expensive. Or at the very least super squishy until you invest, even if they "work" on a budget.

None of the new spells really interest me much to be honest. Never tend to be a huge fan of stuff that plays with corpses or summons.

Edit: oh the EK stuff people have been playing more lately also looks really fuckin cool, but isn't the single target just atrocious? I know people last league were starting to get creative with pseudo-6L BF/BV in like Tempest Binding helm for example, and there was an allusion to more new pseudo-5/6L stuff in Abyss with shaped/elder stuff, but all that is $$$$$$$. Like I said maybe I'll just open with Cleave Glad ezpz just for a currency base, then decide later once the more clever people start to get their hands on some of the new stuff.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
December 06 2017 18:23 GMT
#26644
I mean, the single target isn't "atrocious" it's just lacking in context of like guardians/shaper type farming. Blade vortex plugs that gap, but as you say has it's own downsides. Nothing wrong with starting out cleave glad though.

On a slighlty different topic, despite perandus manor being on the unique maps challenge I really can't figure out any way to actually get it since perandus isn't on the map device and the patch notes description of the "Fortune Favours the Brave" map mod says only ones the device can grant, aka no nemesis for example (RIP HH chancing). Which should also make zerphi's abuse EXCEEDINGLY expensive this league (also rip trypanon meme builds )
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10848 Posts
December 06 2017 18:34 GMT
#26645
Does the treshholdgem for ek nova work with traps?
incinerate_
Profile Joined October 2010
172 Posts
December 06 2017 18:35 GMT
#26646
On December 07 2017 03:23 Sn0_Man wrote:
I mean, the single target isn't "atrocious" it's just lacking in context of like guardians/shaper type farming. Blade vortex plugs that gap, but as you say has it's own downsides. Nothing wrong with starting out cleave glad though.

On a slighlty different topic, despite perandus manor being on the unique maps challenge I really can't figure out any way to actually get it since perandus isn't on the map device and the patch notes description of the "Fortune Favours the Brave" map mod says only ones the device can grant, aka no nemesis for example (RIP HH chancing). Which should also make zerphi's abuse EXCEEDINGLY expensive this league (also rip trypanon meme builds )


Maybe it's a reward for a new divination card? Technically, Time Lost Relic should also work but the chances are probably slim.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
December 06 2017 18:37 GMT
#26647
On December 07 2017 03:34 Velr wrote:
Does the treshholdgem for ek nova work with traps?

It should yes
On December 07 2017 03:35 incinerate_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2017 03:23 Sn0_Man wrote:
I mean, the single target isn't "atrocious" it's just lacking in context of like guardians/shaper type farming. Blade vortex plugs that gap, but as you say has it's own downsides. Nothing wrong with starting out cleave glad though.

On a slighlty different topic, despite perandus manor being on the unique maps challenge I really can't figure out any way to actually get it since perandus isn't on the map device and the patch notes description of the "Fortune Favours the Brave" map mod says only ones the device can grant, aka no nemesis for example (RIP HH chancing). Which should also make zerphi's abuse EXCEEDINGLY expensive this league (also rip trypanon meme builds )


Maybe it's a reward for a new divination card? Technically, Time Lost Relic should also work but the chances are probably slim.

I thought we saw all 6 new divination cards in some post
also afaik perandus manor has always been cadiro only the same way atziri shit can't drop from jack in the box
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-06 18:54:06
December 06 2017 18:44 GMT
#26648
Welp.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/7hxa6d/quick_sunder_testing_not_a_nerf/

TL;DR Sunder bug isn't reproducible under normal circumstances in 3.0 and it really is some uncommon bug. Either GGG isn't telling us something, or Sunder is gonna be just as broken as usual.

I still have to play Sunder till somewhere in the range of 60-75, so I guess I'll wait till the patch drops to see what happens.
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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
December 06 2017 19:03 GMT
#26649
On December 07 2017 03:23 Sn0_Man wrote:
I mean, the single target isn't "atrocious" it's just lacking in context of like guardians/shaper type farming. Blade vortex plugs that gap, but as you say has it's own downsides. Nothing wrong with starting out cleave glad though.

On a slighlty different topic, despite perandus manor being on the unique maps challenge I really can't figure out any way to actually get it since perandus isn't on the map device and the patch notes description of the "Fortune Favours the Brave" map mod says only ones the device can grant, aka no nemesis for example (RIP HH chancing). Which should also make zerphi's abuse EXCEEDINGLY expensive this league (also rip trypanon meme builds )

Or you combine the the two (Blade Vortex and Gladiator) and play my build that is both powerful and cheap for league starter. And when you are rich enough to get a 6L and/or lvl 21 gem you can also do at least lvl 15 maps.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5256 Posts
December 06 2017 19:30 GMT
#26650
The VP change hurts Blade Vortex and EK a bit. I played EK Zerker last league and there were definitely sometimes where I needed my instant leech (think breach or beyond with hard mods)

Molten Strike was like 3-5mil dps, was hard to work out exact numbers with PoB but it was very insane. without good VP the build is worse but it should still be usable. Heavy strike build looks more untouched

@Yango yeah I'm using sunder at least until lvl 40, and maybe more depending on weapon availability so should be easy to tell if the skill is good or not.
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Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-06 22:08:56
December 06 2017 19:46 GMT
#26651
(but then you have to relink it) (edit: sorry was meant at archangel)
Wild strike is also really cool. Oh so many things to do without getting burnt out.
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-06 20:01:55
December 06 2017 19:59 GMT
#26652
That Heavy Strike build I linked last page has up to 25 million Shaper DPS with reasonable conditions, it's more if you also check shocked (it can shock shaper and does) and frenzy/power charges (it often gets it from Doedre's flask). It's probably dead now though because of the Vaal Pact change. I can't imagine playing a Berserker build without range, Flicker Strike including, without instant leech. For true melee range I would at least want decent block now.

For myself, I'll probably play Ice Shot, likely Raider. Would like to do Deadeye tripple chain for fun but it's probably not a good idea.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-06 20:22:54
December 06 2017 20:21 GMT
#26653
On December 07 2017 04:03 -Archangel- wrote:
Or you combine the the two (Blade Vortex and Gladiator) and play my build that is both powerful and cheap for league starter. And when you are rich enough to get a 6L and/or lvl 21 gem you can also do at least lvl 15 maps.

Pure BV? Or BV for single target + something else to clear? Like I mentioned, an EK clear + BV boss build interests me, and seemed to gain popularity last league with pseudo-6L's like Tempest Binding, but sound a bit expensive for league starters. And pure BV doesn't interest me at all. Tried to play with that skill a bit before and couldn't stand it. I'm fine with winding it up for a quick boss kill when 90% of your time is spent using something else to clear the screen, but I couldn't do it full time.

On December 07 2017 04:59 HolydaKing wrote:
For myself, I'll probably play Ice Shot, likely Raider. Would like to do Deadeye tripple chain for fun but it's probably not a good idea.

Is starting Ice Shot Raider dangerously squishy or expensive? Or can you make it work well on a starter budget and scale it into endgame? If the latter it's definitely the build I'm most interested in I think, I just assumed it wouldn't be easy as a starter.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-06 20:39:32
December 06 2017 20:39 GMT
#26654
Hmm, I don't think it's a good starter because bow builds require some items to be good. Leveling especially is a pain if you don't use Sunder for that. I don't care though and are more like Sn0_Man, I play what I want to play as first char.

I would think it works fine enough once you get Lioneye's Glare.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
December 06 2017 20:45 GMT
#26655
On December 07 2017 05:39 HolydaKing wrote:
Hmm, I don't think it's a good starter because bow builds require some items to be good. Leveling especially is a pain if you don't use Sunder for that. I don't care though and are more like Sn0_Man, I play what I want to play as first char.

I would think it works fine enough once you get Lioneye's Glare.

Ah ok, fair enough. Given that I'm still newer (so die to more mechanics and sloppiness that I'm unfamiliar with yet) and super excited to progress more this league, I'll probably start with a safe Sunder/Cleave Glad just to get into brainless mapping comfortably and then transition into something more exciting later. Ice Shot and EK nova are the two things right now that interest me most but I'm ok with working toward those later if they're more finnicky starters. I'll have plenty of energy in me to make more than one character this league. Harb was my first league (other than dabbling back in beta) and I spread my time over so many different characters just leveling and learning more about the game and all the different spells and mechanics and combinations of things (totems and mines, etc). Now I want to focus up on a smaller selection of characters and really push into content I haven't done yet. So I'm ok with a boring safe starter if it means painless progress into mapping and grinding lots of currency, since it's still fresh for me lol.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10848 Posts
December 06 2017 20:57 GMT
#26656
EK Nova is totally fine as a starter as far as i know. You just lack a bit of Boss DPS in the higher Maps.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
December 06 2017 21:21 GMT
#26657
Has anybody figured out a case where the new mirage archer support makes any sense? It seems really pleasant to use since it will autokill all the trash for you but it's kinda hard to imagine it being very optimal for anything.
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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
December 06 2017 22:32 GMT
#26658
On December 07 2017 04:46 Duvon wrote:
(but then you have to relink it) (edit: sorry was meant at archangel)
Wild strike is also really cool. Oh so many things to do without getting burnt out.

Here you go: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1992436/page/1
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
December 06 2017 22:37 GMT
#26659
On December 07 2017 05:21 Duka08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2017 04:03 -Archangel- wrote:
Or you combine the the two (Blade Vortex and Gladiator) and play my build that is both powerful and cheap for league starter. And when you are rich enough to get a 6L and/or lvl 21 gem you can also do at least lvl 15 maps.

Pure BV? Or BV for single target + something else to clear? Like I mentioned, an EK clear + BV boss build interests me, and seemed to gain popularity last league with pseudo-6L's like Tempest Binding, but sound a bit expensive for league starters. And pure BV doesn't interest me at all. Tried to play with that skill a bit before and couldn't stand it. I'm fine with winding it up for a quick boss kill when 90% of your time is spent using something else to clear the screen, but I couldn't do it full time.

Pure BV. Not as fast as EK but I could kill packs reasonably fast. You wear a Tabula for a very long time (because you can as the build is pretty tanky) so can afford a Inc AoE support as one of those. You only need to upkeep 10 stacks for map clearing and that is not hard. You shield charge around and mostly upkeep BV charges.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
December 06 2017 22:47 GMT
#26660
Keep in mind neither your arcane surge trick nor your belt of the deceiver work in 3.1
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