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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-06 09:27:24
December 06 2017 09:25 GMT
#26621
Biggest buff seems to be for the Skeletons, which already got better last league. I didn't try it though, but many others did (Nugi included) and it didn't look bad. Could Skelly Mages be really good now?
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-06 09:30:58
December 06 2017 09:29 GMT
#26622
Updated the OP, heres some starter builds I slapped on there.

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Cleave Gladiator
Alkaizer Youtube Guide
PoB Link

SRS Necro
Huy Forum Guide

Spectre Necro (solar guards)
Nornag3st #2 Necro SSF Mayhem PoB

ED Trickster
Waggle's Youtube Guide - Budget MoM
Greta's Evasion Version PoB

Debeon's Dirge Warchief (alternatively, facebreaker warchief is good)
Zizaran Youtube Guide
PoB Link

Selfcast Frostbolt
Zizaran Youtube Guide (PoB in Description)

Other Builds - Glacial Cascade Mines, Soul Mantle Ascendant Totems (Dark Pact, Frostbolt, or Freezing Pulse), Sunder Slayer/Gladiator
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 06 2017 09:37 GMT
#26623
Could reasonably put Cyclone Slayer as a starter, I don't think it's any more demanding to gear than a lot of that stuff.
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PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7711 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-06 10:26:02
December 06 2017 10:25 GMT
#26624
I'll probably start the league with Engineering Eternity's Thicc Jugg lab farmer, it should still be viable. Hopefully the passive tree won't change too much for him to be still ok to run.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
December 06 2017 13:05 GMT
#26625
So if I want to play a harder/more expensive build like flicker strike for example, should I be rolling something easy to blast through content and farm first? Is that what people do? Cause I don't know if I have the patience to level/gear two characters in a league.
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10731 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-06 13:26:18
December 06 2017 13:22 GMT
#26626
Someone correct me if i'm wrong

Flicker is probably one of the wors build you can go for with 0 currency or at league start?

You need Tempus Est or Oros until you can start Flickering and on top of that you need high Crit or Ignite chance.
+whiteout pretty nice gear random rares will either oneshot you or you lack the crit/ignite % to flicker constantly...
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
December 06 2017 13:36 GMT
#26627
Yes, hence my question.
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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
December 06 2017 13:46 GMT
#26628
On December 06 2017 22:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yes, hence my question.

You can do Cleave with Oro's until you are ready for Flicker. Otherwise level and farm with any weapon and Sunder.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-06 13:58:26
December 06 2017 13:52 GMT
#26629
Is Terminus Est really that expensive? I haven't checked that lately but I doubt it is on SC, unless you wanna get it day 1 or 2. If you were to make a build like that you'd level with something like Cyclone/Sunder until early maps anyway, no?

Terminus Est for clear + Starforge Heavy Strike in weapon swap is pretty insane, though I wonder if the later can work without instant leech Vaal Pact.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10731 Posts
December 06 2017 14:06 GMT
#26630
Terminus Est isn't expensive. Well, every 5-6l "build enabling" weapon is pretty expensive at league start.
Getting the "basic" gear together for making flicker comfortably work isn't exactly "free" tho.


Unless you want to farm with Sunder/Whatever.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-06 15:31:58
December 06 2017 15:28 GMT
#26631
The thing about a flicker build is that you level as whatever skill you want and the entire "transition" to flicker involves socketing a few gems. If it doesn't work out, you just keep being sunder/cleave/cyclone etc for a few more levels (or gear checkpoints) until it does work out. It's not like you are replacing all your gear for CI gear or respeccing 20 points from melee nodes to spell nodes or whatever.

Even if at the start of the league flicker has *some* real requirements, it's not like you are playing SSF and the unique weapons are just not that expensive. Plus if you are really sold on flicker you can do it without those weapons as raider .

Basically I wouldn't be afraid at all to start as a flicker character if that's wat I wanted to play. I might be biased though because I rarely relevel a character so I usually just make my first character whatever I want to play for the whole league even if it's not a smooth transition
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Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-06 16:06:21
December 06 2017 16:05 GMT
#26632
With Shadow, Terminus Est and Ungil's Harmony was enough to start flicker (and a diamond flask ofc).
The max link doesn't have to be in the weapon either, so it'll prolly work fine.
If I play abyss, I'll probably start with a Gladiator, or another supertanky class. Was so nice just chillin' through content.
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3440 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-06 16:35:25
December 06 2017 16:35 GMT
#26633
What's the meta melee skill now ? Also is bow still near top tier ?
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-06 16:43:55
December 06 2017 16:41 GMT
#26634
meta melee skill was sunder (at least for levelling) but that may be a bit obsolete now with 3.1 "bugfix"

Molten strike is still the best single target with the right investment, people will always play cyclone, but people actually play a lot of skills. Still some bladeflurriers out there, there's a popular tanky cleave guide (for the fortify threshold jewel), hell even heavy strike was a "build" for a while last league mostly for the raw top-end DPS from that double-damage threshold jewel.

Bow is probably still good although the best bow was doomfletch prism and it got nerfed a lot if you were going to be crit (and you were). However, as far as I can tell the build didn't seriously get worse considering the increase in flat phys available from Abyss Jewels etc. The QotF nerf hit many bow builds but the item is still very powerful in most situations, just lab runners can't abuse it quite so hard and a general small evasion nerf.
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-06 16:48:36
December 06 2017 16:46 GMT
#26635
Can Molten Strike really have more dps than Heavy Strike? It suffers from ele res and Heavy Strike has a good threshold jewel.



It's pretty insane.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-06 16:53:32
December 06 2017 16:51 GMT
#26636
That build would probably have higher DPS with molten strike if starforge didn't read "Deal no Elemental Damage"

The calculations are non-trivial because they rely on boss hitbox size, but I'm still pretty sure molten strike is better. It's just that when you proc all of crit, ruthless, heavy strike double damage at once it looks insane, it just doesn't happen that regularly. Obviously the heavy strike build still does unbelievable dps even when it's not super lucky.

Anyway because starforge is the highest PDPS weapon readily available, any top DPS cookie cutter guide build is going to build around it's constraints.
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
December 06 2017 16:52 GMT
#26637
Well you can test that with PoB if you remove that mod from Starforge, maybe I'll try that later for fun.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-06 16:55:06
December 06 2017 16:54 GMT
#26638
Well, you have to take point blank on the tree for molten strike for example (and i'm not certain pob calculates that properly either), plus swap gem setups potentially (hatred) but yeah

I'm not a pob aficionado really
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vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3440 Posts
December 06 2017 16:56 GMT
#26639
Any new skills released between 3.0 and 3.1 ?
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
December 06 2017 17:09 GMT
#26640
All the 3.1 skills sure, you can check them out on the 3.1 announcement page. They are mostly detonate dead and desecrate variants, designed to expand upon that type of gameplay.

3.0 introduced some pretty dubious skills like charged dash and storm burst but not much useful either.
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