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imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-05 21:22:47
December 05 2015 21:16 GMT
#20101
Another option for fitting hatred in could be getting the same reservation reduction running hatred, temp chains and enfeeble on blasphemy because those are the two you definitely want up all the time and having a herald of thunder curse on hit with warlord's and assassin's which is sufficient for charge generation and should have enough up time for the leech. I think I might knick this idea and do it sometime this league.

Blasphemy is such a cool gem, it makes mana reservation an interesting decision.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-05 22:40:43
December 05 2015 22:38 GMT
#20102
On December 06 2015 06:16 imallinson wrote:
Another option for fitting hatred in could be getting the same reservation reduction running hatred, temp chains and enfeeble on blasphemy because those are the two you definitely want up all the time and having a herald of thunder curse on hit with warlord's and assassin's which is sufficient for charge generation and should have enough up time for the leech. I think I might knick this idea and do it sometime this league.

Blasphemy is such a cool gem, it makes mana reservation an interesting decision.


I never really used curse on hit herald of thunder much, I know a lot of people did it tho

but so my question is, it's the actual lightning bolts that curse right?

and that effect requires killing shocked enemies

will I actually be doing enough lightning damage off of just the herald of thunder to be shocking long enough(or at all) to get the lightning effect?

It's a damn cool idea though, though it does require mana reservation nodes on the tree to do it


mmm... would herald of ice curse on hit be better? I'd definitely be shattering dudes all over if I am using hatred.
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
December 05 2015 22:50 GMT
#20103
On December 06 2015 07:38 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2015 06:16 imallinson wrote:
Another option for fitting hatred in could be getting the same reservation reduction running hatred, temp chains and enfeeble on blasphemy because those are the two you definitely want up all the time and having a herald of thunder curse on hit with warlord's and assassin's which is sufficient for charge generation and should have enough up time for the leech. I think I might knick this idea and do it sometime this league.

Blasphemy is such a cool gem, it makes mana reservation an interesting decision.


I never really used curse on hit herald of thunder much, I know a lot of people did it tho

but so my question is, it's the actual lightning bolts that curse right?

and that effect requires killing shocked enemies

will I actually be doing enough lightning damage off of just the herald of thunder to be shocking long enough(or at all) to get the lightning effect?

It's a damn cool idea though, though it does require mana reservation nodes on the tree to do it


mmm... would herald of ice curse on hit be better? I'd definitely be shattering dudes all over if I am using hatred.

Yeah it's the bolts that curse. If you wanna use HoT, you could use phys to lightning to shock frequently. But otherwise hatred + HoI will be more reliable for you. If you wanna go crazy with it you could also run HoL - Culling - Innervate for dat onslaught.
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imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
December 05 2015 22:57 GMT
#20104
HoI would be more consistent if you aren't using phys to lightning but the reason I suggested HoT was you were wanting the leech from warlords and from my experience HoI tends to curse stuff as its dying which is fine if you only want the charges but I don't know how much leech you will get from it. It would probably be worth testing both to see which works.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 05 2015 23:13 GMT
#20105
Is hatred, on a build that focuses on crit multiplier rather than normal phys modifiers, much much more dps than wrath?

Maybe I could run wrath instead of hatred, thus avoiding having to use phys to lightning?

mmmm i guess phys to lightning would be better
but if I do that, then I need to drop a support on my cyclone, I guess I would drop faster attacks rather than crit damage or crit chance


This might be a sign that GGG is doing a good job when I can't figure out what supports to drop or keep anymore
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
December 05 2015 23:44 GMT
#20106
In general staves are pretty slow weapons so flat ele damage isn't great on them. Staves have pretty high base crit chance so you probably wont need increased crit strikes, also that gem is pretty bad in general. Even if you aren't doing a ton of phys scaling the melee phys gem is such a big damage increase, more that hatred while also increasing the damage hatred adds. With cyclone I've never felt I needed the inc aoe gem and because you are staves you should be near the templar tree and can grab the aoe there if you need it.

I'd say the best set up for your gems would be cyclone - bm - fortify - melee phys with fa and crit damage as your 5th and 6th links, whichever is more damage in the 5 link. Use HoI to curse and if you feel you aren't getting enough leech from warlords get some leech on gear or life gain on hit with jewels.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 05 2015 23:59 GMT
#20107
that doesn't have phys to lightning tho

I don't see how I can really shock anything from just HoL
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
December 06 2015 00:05 GMT
#20108
I would just use Herald of Ice with that build its going to end up being a bit clunky trying to get enough lightning damage to shock consistently.
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Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
December 06 2015 00:29 GMT
#20109
For what it's worth Raiz used Phys to lightning on his crit staff cycloner to shock + make phys reflect easier. (https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/RaizQT/characters see RaizTryHardsQT).

An unrelated question: Does anyone know if generic "% increased damage" modifiers (such as hidden potential) double dip for hits that cause poison, in the same way "% increased fire damage" does for fire hit's that cause ignite?
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 07 2015 05:36 GMT
#20110
so is non-crit arc any good?

reading the manifesto that's the one thing I am considering besides staff crit cyclone
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-07 08:12:27
December 07 2015 06:39 GMT
#20111
Previously it was pretty bad compared to crit arc. With controlled destruction it could be alright, impossible to tell without actually testing it though.

Also new tree is out.
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
December 07 2015 08:32 GMT
#20112
I feel weirdly unhyped so far with 2.2 sounding pretty epic. :3
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-07 08:41:01
December 07 2015 08:40 GMT
#20113
Talisman will be Vaal Spark league. No nerfs despite it being completely OP from the videos and comments I've seen (apparently even more OP than Lameblast ele prolif was at its best times). Maybe I'll try it too.
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
December 07 2015 11:19 GMT
#20114
Can anyone provide a mirror link or something to the offline skill calculator. Can't download with that page here where I am today and would really like to fiddle with it.

Hope someone can help
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-07 11:36:26
December 07 2015 11:32 GMT
#20115
link

The link above worked for me. But that's the usual link and it looks like you search for a different one?

For an online tree, this one works: http://exiletools.com/passive-skill-tree
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
December 07 2015 11:57 GMT
#20116
On December 07 2015 14:36 travis wrote:
so is non-crit arc any good?

reading the manifesto that's the one thing I am considering besides staff crit cyclone


Non-crit arc is already really solid if you use Call of the brotherhood + hypothermia. I know there was a non-crit arc player in darkshrines HC top 20.

On December 07 2015 17:40 HolydaKing wrote:
Talisman will be Vaal Spark league. No nerfs despite it being completely OP from the videos and comments I've seen (apparently even more OP than Lameblast ele prolif was at its best times). Maybe I'll try it too.


While vaal spark definitely clears significantly faster than flameblast did, flameblast was way cheaper than vaal spark. The bare minimum for vaal spark is the chill of corruption jewel + tabula + call of the brotherhood (adds up to atleast 2ex), but ideally you want a shavs, decent es + crit gear, and few more expensive vaal related jewels.
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Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
December 07 2015 12:47 GMT
#20117
On December 07 2015 20:32 HolydaKing wrote:
link

The link above worked for me. But that's the usual link and it looks like you search for a different one?

For an online tree, this one works: http://exiletools.com/passive-skill-tree


Yeah, I know that link. That is what doesn't work for me. So if someone could make a mirror quickly or know somewhere to download that guys calculator would be great.
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Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 07 2015 15:08 GMT
#20118
I will assemble on release I think, and be on teamspeak for our traidition of seeing how far we can get before everyone in our original party RIPS :D.

(I haven't kept up with the changes at all hardly, so I will be as useless as ever!)
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
December 07 2015 15:35 GMT
#20119
snoozing bond is back holy shit free totem lol
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Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
December 07 2015 15:42 GMT
#20120
I think you need to be in some part of the tree with good ele damage though, it's base dps seems a little low, and you cant support it with anything before level 31.
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