EPTI mean some clubs have quiter fans than others in England yes id agree with that. Sometimes at stamford bridge we can get outsung by some away fans. But there is lots of clubs like Stoke in the premiership, singing there hearts out every week etc. We don't have the highest average gate receipts for no reason through out Europe, same with the lower league clubs. I will go and grab the stats for this to back it up in a sec, but im pretty sure England have the most gate receipts.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
I mean some clubs have quiter fans than others in England yes id agree with that. Sometimes at stamford bridge we can get outsung by some away fans. But there is lots of clubs like Stoke in the premiership, singing there hearts out every week etc. We don't have the highest average gate receipts for no reason through out Europe, same with the lower league clubs. I will go and grab the stats for this to back it up in a sec, but im pretty sure England have the most gate receipts. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On May 24 2012 23:14 zatic wrote: TBH none of these videos are really impressive. Anyway do you disagree though that the PL atmosphere is not nearly what is used to be in the 80ies and some of the 90ies? I have no idea what it actually was like to be there in the 80s. From what I hear from loads of people who WERE there, then yeah football has become definitely more family-friendly and quieter, at least for the premier league. But at the same time, my point is that English fans up and down the country give pretty great support. I see a lot of the trademark teams in European football and South American football have a lot of fanatical supporters and definitely have impressive chants and loud fans but...can you say that about every team in your league? And what about your 2nd division? Because fans of second division teams in England, AND third division teams, give pretty loud and good support. I think this is what separates us from the other countries. For example this just a second division side (which has been in the first division a few times) + Show Spoiler + Here is a third division side which (also used to be in the first division lol) + Show Spoiler + On May 24 2012 23:36 Pandemona wrote: Erm debateable Zatic. I mean some clubs have quiter fans than others in England yes id agree with that. Sometimes at stamford bridge we can get outsung by some away fans. But there is lots of clubs like Stoke in the premiership, singing there hearts out every week etc. We don't have the highest average gate receipts for no reason through out Europe, same with the lower league clubs. I will go and grab the stats for this to back it up in a sec, but im pretty sure England have the most gate receipts. England has the highest gate receipt numbers in Europe by quite a far margin iirc. | ||
zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
sc4k: Yes, that is what I said. England has great fans. Literally what I said. | ||
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Lyter
United Kingdom2145 Posts
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On May 24 2012 23:42 zatic wrote: What is debatable? England has no ultra culture, I don't think anyone from England would disagree? sc4k: Yes, that is what I said. England has great fans. Literally what I said. Ah okay I kind of glossed over that. But yeah England does still have what might be considered 'ultra' culture it's just spread out amongst about 50-60 clubs as opposed to the normal 5-6 clubs per country, so obviously the masses of people will be diluted. | ||
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zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
As long as you don't have groups calling themselves ultras you don't have an ultra culture. This does not mean that England has worse or better fans, it's a separate issue. Although someone used to ultra atmosphere may find PL games lacking, just as someone from England may find continental fans too quiet. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060627183846/uncyclopedia/images/5/52/Wigga.jpg) Same as if they were called 'supers', 'megas', 'cool-guys', 'toughboys', 'beatupguys', 'louders', and such. Hard to explain but it's just a really really lame word to describe that type of fan when said in English! | ||
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Epx
Switzerland209 Posts
On May 25 2012 00:06 sc4k wrote: Yeah to be honest aside from firms of hooligans like the chelsea headhunters or west ham ICF then I guess there aren't any such groups and I have definitely never heard the word ultra in an English context before. Like I said, the word is almost laughably childish when considered in English haha, makes me think of this: + Show Spoiler + Same as if they were called 'supers', 'megas', 'cool-guys', 'toughboys', 'beatupguys', 'louders', and such. Hard to explain but it's just a really really lame word to describe that type of fan when said in English! You just think that word is "lame" because you are not used to it, that's all. In the end it doesn't matter how you call these guys or how they call themselves, that's not what it is about. Peace  | ||
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Dr.Lettuce
United Kingdom663 Posts
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On May 25 2012 00:31 Epx wrote: You just think that word is "lame" because you are not used to it, that's all. In the end it doesn't matter how you call these guys or how they call themselves, that's not what it is about. Hmm how can I explain this. I don't know any german. Imagine if a group of people called themselves 'Geilmensch'?? I should also say that I'm NOT trying to insult anyone who is an ultra, or the culture in general, I just think the word doesn't really work in English because of its lameness. | ||
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
Wikipedia wrote: Ultras are a type of sports fans renowned for their fanatical support and elaborate displays. They are predominantly European followers of football teams. The behavioral tendency of ultras groups includes the use of flares (primarily in tifo choreography), vocal support in large groups and the displaying of banners at football stadiums, all of which are designed to create an atmosphere which encourages their own team and intimidates opposing players and supporters. Example below: Relegation-threatened Genoa are losing against Siena(?), and their fans (the ultras) go mad and demand that the players give up their jerseys. I believe the situation calmed down later. Obviously there are better and worse examples. I'd just put it like this: Ultras are "simply" super passionate fans. While ultras kind of have the reputation of being evil hooligans, the majority of ultras are non-violent. | ||
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Dr.Lettuce
United Kingdom663 Posts
On May 25 2012 00:58 NuclearJudas wrote: @Dr.Lettuce Example below: Relegation-threatened Genoa are losing against Siena(?), and their fans (the ultras) go mad and demand that the players give up their jerseys. I believe the situation calmed down later. Obviously there are better and worse examples. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pH2EwDGrKA I'd just put it like this: Ultras are "simply" super passionate fans. While ultras kind of have the reputation of being evil hooligans, the majority of ultras are non-violent. lol.... | ||
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
Bear in mind that the video is a pretty extreme example. It's just the latest ultra-related thing I remembered. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 25 2012 00:44 sc4k wrote: Hmm how can I explain this. I don't know any german. Imagine if a group of people called themselves 'Geilmensch'?? I should also say that I'm NOT trying to insult anyone who is an ultra, or the culture in general, I just think the word doesn't really work in English because of its lameness. Alright we get it, this isnt interesting anymore. Nor was it particularly debatable or ambiguous. And even all that considered it really seems like no one gives a shit about how loud English fans are or how organized German fans are, or whether the word Ultra sounds contextually lame. Well except Germans and Englishmen. O and I think the world Ultra sounds cool, and so does a slew of other English speakers. Deal with it. However the use of the term 'Arse', is hilariously lame ... Everytime I hear someone say it, it sounds like they have something up their.. well Arse.. huehuehuehue . But but dont get me wrong, Im not trying to insult anyone whose trying to use the word Arse, just that in English spoken in the rest of the world it doesnt work because of its lameness. + Show Spoiler + troll troll troll. Seriously this nonsense has actually driven people who actually have useful things to say from this thread. | ||
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Epx
Switzerland209 Posts
On May 25 2012 00:44 sc4k wrote: Hmm how can I explain this. I don't know any german. Imagine if a group of people called themselves 'Geilmensch'?? I should also say that I'm NOT trying to insult anyone who is an ultra, or the culture in general, I just think the word doesn't really work in English because of its lameness. The word "ultra" has the same meaning in German as in every other language, it is a Latin word which everyone understands. I think it's also common to describe that kind of football culture with the word "ultra" in other countries too and not only in Germany so basically it's just you who find it weird. And like i said it's just a matter of habit. If there would pop up some Ultras groups in England now, i bet in a few years everyone would be used to it. They could also call themselves "hardcore fans", would that be better?! I guess not. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On May 25 2012 01:08 Epx wrote: They could also call themselves "hardcore fans", would that be better?! I guess not. Hardcore is a way more American style term but yes it would be infinitely less lame than the world ultra. | ||
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La1
United Kingdom659 Posts
I also think its like this in european games, Just because england doesnt have fireworks and flares and toilet roll doesnt mean we still care edit i also think some of the massive clubs attract a lot of fans from all over the world who dont go week in week out so they dont know ALL the songs.. so you have to give them some slack.. also 3-0 down at half time in the CL final and a english team does this Nuff said really | ||
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Valenius
United Kingdom1266 Posts
On May 25 2012 01:06 Rebs wrote: Alright we get it, this isnt interesting anymore. Nor was it particularly debatable or ambiguous. And even all that considered it really seems like no one gives a shit about how loud English fans are or how organized German fans are, or whether the word Ultra sounds contextually lame. Well except Germans and Englishmen. O and I think the world Ultra sounds cool, and so does a slew of other English speakers. Deal with it. However the use of the term 'Arse', is hilariously lame ... Everytime I hear someone say it, it sounds like they have something up their.. well Arse.. huehuehuehue . But but dont get me wrong, Im not trying to insult anyone whose trying to use the word Arse, just that in English spoken in the rest of the world it doesnt work because of its lameness. + Show Spoiler + troll troll troll. Seriously this nonsense has actually driven people who actually have useful things to say from this thread. Really Rebs? You've had some of the most pointless and ridiculously drawn out arguments/discussions in the last ~50 or so pages of this thread. Just because one doesn't interest you, don't jump on it In England, there really are no Ultras. People have tried over the last few years, and most are shut down fairly quickly due to ground regulations or police interference (From first-hand experiences). Football over here is way way too family orientated now to accommodate that side of supporting a team. Sadly. | ||
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zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
Of course, there is always the Balkans, who slightly overdo it: To each his own I guess | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 25 2012 02:15 Valenius wrote: Really Rebs? You've had some of the most pointless and ridiculously drawn out arguments/discussions in the last ~50 or so pages of this thread. Just because one doesn't interest you, don't jump on it In England, there really are no Ultras. People have tried over the last few years, and most are shut down fairly quickly due to ground regulations or police interference (From first-hand experiences). Football over here is way way too family orientated now to accommodate that side of supporting a team. Sadly. Yea sure point them out. And tell me which one equates to Ultras = lame english word on the pointless scale. I dont care if the discussion is long or drawn out, but if its boiling down to a dick measuring contest over how awesome one set fans are over another then theres not much left to add is there. Theres some reasonable things to say like the comments about visuals and flares and so on. But Ultra's is a lame english word is not one of them. | ||
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