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On April 29 2012 18:07 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 17:17 sc4k wrote:On April 29 2012 09:15 Telcontar wrote:On April 29 2012 05:30 sc4k wrote:On April 29 2012 01:03 Timurid wrote:On April 29 2012 00:55 Telcontar wrote:On April 29 2012 00:46 Timurid wrote:On April 29 2012 00:39 Telcontar wrote:
There's just no way we (Arsenal) are going to vie for any trophies next season with this squad. If Van Persie wants to leave in the summer, I wouldn't really blame him. His best bet for winning titles is most likely away from the Emirates. So sad that we've become such a mediocre team over the past 6~7 years. Well, look at Nasri and cesc both out of the champions and 1 is out of the league hunt. RVP will sign with us again. If we sign top players like Verthogen from ajax and m'vila or Javi Martinez. Hopefully, we sign Belhanda what talent that guy is. We already signed podolski according to the daily mail. We make some good deals like these in summer we will become a contender on all fronts next year. source I still don't see a strong enough squad. Yeah, we've been unlucky with injuries (as usual), but the quality, and most importantly the depth just isn't there. And the players we're looking to sign over the summer are not that good either. We just can't financially compete with a host of other clubs, and Arsene's repeated attempts to unearth talent has gone wayward over the past 5~7 years. As for Van Persie, him delaying the talks over his contract until after the Euros is a bad sign for us. It's clear he wants to wait & see if he can further impress potential suitors at the tournament. Stop being a pessimist, ugh with wilshere and arteta coming back from injury and new signings we get this summer. RVP will surely sign for us. Where would he go not city, Madrid wants aguero, only destintation is barca and with all crap happening in barca i doubt it. His family loves London and he has both of his children in the arsenal program. He probably just wants to finish this season off and see who we sign before he commits to a new contract. This has been a pretty remarkable season with abysmal start and the talks about arsenal is a mid table team blablalba and look where we are now 3rd in the league. Captain VanTastic is here to stay! Psh, Wilshere, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ramsey, Gervinho, Walcott...what a nice set of youngsters to build your team around. Not really. Ramsey hasn't been the same player since he came back from his leg break. He's very loose in possession, tends to be hesitant in front of the goal, and his passing often gets sloppy as the match goes on. Maybe he just needs more time to get back on the right track, but I'm not holding my breath (see what happened to Eduardo). Ox definitely looks a promising talent, but he has expressed his desire to play in central midfield, and I'm not sure how that'll turn out. I think he should focus more on being an out-and-out winger and work on his ability to go past players and deliver a good ball. We need good wingers more than CMs right now. Gervinho, I'm not really sure about. He's a decent player, but I still haven't seen anything particularaly noteworthy from him. And we all know Walcott is a very mixed bag. Blindly fast, yeah, and he can finish well, but is very inconsistent. He is also very poor at taking on defenders and going past them, and is very injury prone (which fits Arsenal perfectly lol). Perhaps I am being a pessimist, but I'm just calling it as I see it. Wow you are fiercely pessimistic. From where I'm standing you have nothing to be worried about. Arsenal have had a cracking season and all of your players will be getting better. Losing RVP if it happens will be bad but the amount of money you'll get should allow you (if the owners don't jew it up) to at least get some sort of worthwhile replacement. Wenger has some form in picking good strikers! Ox is fucking amazing, he could play CB and still make an amazing contribution. Gerinvho is young so just wait for him to get some maturity. Same goes for all of those players. Even Walcott has been showing that with some maturity he can play with the team on his back. Remember people having doubts that RVP would be able to come out of Henry's shadow. Yeah, 8 years of nothing will do that to a person. And after 8 years of 'rebuilding', we're no close to ANY trophy than we were back than. If anything, we've become less competitive over the years. Perhaps I'm being a realist and the rest of you don't really care about Arsenal or are particularly optimistic.
There's a running joke about how fans of the big teams who consistently win and challenge for titles don't experience what it's like to be a football fan.
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Definitely, 90% of fans of top teams are spoilt. (Not to mention that probably 50%+ are glory hunters who don't even come from the area of the team they support haha, especially with Man U)
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just watching real madrid - sevilla
real's defense is really really bad unbelievable
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Wow that was cool I love indirect free kicks.
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On April 29 2012 19:27 sc4k wrote:
Definitely, 90% of fans of top teams are spoilt. (Not to mention that probably 50%+ are glory hunters who don't even come from the area of the team they support haha, especially with Man U)
Aren't you an arsenal fan?
But I think the whole insulting of a clubs fans is fun and all, but in the end is a pointless argument. Don't really care where you are from as long as you are loyal to the team. But you do get some real idiots.
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On April 29 2012 19:46 Stimp wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 19:27 sc4k wrote:
Definitely, 90% of fans of top teams are spoilt. (Not to mention that probably 50%+ are glory hunters who don't even come from the area of the team they support haha, especially with Man U) Aren't you an arsenal fan? But I think the whole insulting of a clubs fans is fun and all, but in the end is a pointless argument. Don't really care where you are from as long as you are loyal to the team. But you do get some real idiots.
No Chelsea...you must have missed the page where I said how the victory v barcelona was one of the best nights of my life lol. From Chelsea too...
Meh I think people who support teams from a different area to where they are from is okay a) if they are foreign, or b) if they have a relative who got them into that team. Pretty much any other reason, in my mind, makes them dubious. But still it's true if you support the club and stay true...your voice and money are as useful to the club as anyone else.
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On April 29 2012 19:39 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 19:11 Surrealistic wrote:On April 29 2012 18:07 Telcontar wrote:On April 29 2012 17:17 sc4k wrote:On April 29 2012 09:15 Telcontar wrote:On April 29 2012 05:30 sc4k wrote:On April 29 2012 01:03 Timurid wrote:On April 29 2012 00:55 Telcontar wrote:On April 29 2012 00:46 Timurid wrote:On April 29 2012 00:39 Telcontar wrote:
There's just no way we (Arsenal) are going to vie for any trophies next season with this squad. If Van Persie wants to leave in the summer, I wouldn't really blame him. His best bet for winning titles is most likely away from the Emirates. So sad that we've become such a mediocre team over the past 6~7 years. Well, look at Nasri and cesc both out of the champions and 1 is out of the league hunt. RVP will sign with us again. If we sign top players like Verthogen from ajax and m'vila or Javi Martinez. Hopefully, we sign Belhanda what talent that guy is. We already signed podolski according to the daily mail. We make some good deals like these in summer we will become a contender on all fronts next year. source I still don't see a strong enough squad. Yeah, we've been unlucky with injuries (as usual), but the quality, and most importantly the depth just isn't there. And the players we're looking to sign over the summer are not that good either. We just can't financially compete with a host of other clubs, and Arsene's repeated attempts to unearth talent has gone wayward over the past 5~7 years. As for Van Persie, him delaying the talks over his contract until after the Euros is a bad sign for us. It's clear he wants to wait & see if he can further impress potential suitors at the tournament. Stop being a pessimist, ugh with wilshere and arteta coming back from injury and new signings we get this summer. RVP will surely sign for us. Where would he go not city, Madrid wants aguero, only destintation is barca and with all crap happening in barca i doubt it. His family loves London and he has both of his children in the arsenal program. He probably just wants to finish this season off and see who we sign before he commits to a new contract. This has been a pretty remarkable season with abysmal start and the talks about arsenal is a mid table team blablalba and look where we are now 3rd in the league. Captain VanTastic is here to stay! Psh, Wilshere, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ramsey, Gervinho, Walcott...what a nice set of youngsters to build your team around. Not really. Ramsey hasn't been the same player since he came back from his leg break. He's very loose in possession, tends to be hesitant in front of the goal, and his passing often gets sloppy as the match goes on. Maybe he just needs more time to get back on the right track, but I'm not holding my breath (see what happened to Eduardo). Ox definitely looks a promising talent, but he has expressed his desire to play in central midfield, and I'm not sure how that'll turn out. I think he should focus more on being an out-and-out winger and work on his ability to go past players and deliver a good ball. We need good wingers more than CMs right now. Gervinho, I'm not really sure about. He's a decent player, but I still haven't seen anything particularaly noteworthy from him. And we all know Walcott is a very mixed bag. Blindly fast, yeah, and he can finish well, but is very inconsistent. He is also very poor at taking on defenders and going past them, and is very injury prone (which fits Arsenal perfectly lol). Perhaps I am being a pessimist, but I'm just calling it as I see it. Wow you are fiercely pessimistic. From where I'm standing you have nothing to be worried about. Arsenal have had a cracking season and all of your players will be getting better. Losing RVP if it happens will be bad but the amount of money you'll get should allow you (if the owners don't jew it up) to at least get some sort of worthwhile replacement. Wenger has some form in picking good strikers! Ox is fucking amazing, he could play CB and still make an amazing contribution. Gerinvho is young so just wait for him to get some maturity. Same goes for all of those players. Even Walcott has been showing that with some maturity he can play with the team on his back. Remember people having doubts that RVP would be able to come out of Henry's shadow. Yeah, 8 years of nothing will do that to a person. And after 8 years of 'rebuilding', we're no close to ANY trophy than we were back than. If anything, we've become less competitive over the years. Perhaps I'm being a realist and the rest of you don't really care about Arsenal or are particularly optimistic. There's a running joke about how fans of the big teams who consistently win and challenge for titles don't experience what it's like to be a football fan. I'd say that it's definitely a different experience because everyone cares about how the big teams are doing, and everyone loves to rub it in when things go wrong for them. If I supported a team in mid-table then most people I know wouldn't bother me when they lost; as it stands, every time United fuck up I have to deal with crap from all sides for a good few days. Very annoying  EDIT: Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 19:27 sc4k wrote:
Definitely, 90% of fans of top teams are spoilt. (Not to mention that probably 50%+ are glory hunters who don't even come from the area of the team they support haha, especially with Man U) Don't get me started on southern "United fans". I can't stand them, they annoy the crap out of me.
Right, so im born in the southwest, were we have no premiership football, my uncle is a manc and supported the team his whole life, my dad was never into football, my uncle brought me up on Manchester united, but i guess when i could think for myself at age 13 i should have realized that i was WRONG to support them, after all who was I, a person who wasn't even lucky enough to be born in the right place, to support Manchester united. God, how annoying is that, to not decide that i should forgot about watching the treble win as a kid with glee, and the fact that i know more about the club than 90% of manc's who i now know who support them do (i live quite near Manchester now). I guess by your retarded logic then that none of the current Manchester untied first team, bar scholes, should cheer when they score, after all a lot of them are from overseas and the rest aren't from Manchester, in fact sir Alex Ferguson clearly isn't a real untied fan, he was born in Glasgow, guess he really annoys you for supporting the team too?
People like you are much more annoying, there are thousands of people who are born in Manchester who don't give two fucks about the team, and southerners who i know who own season tickets and travel to every game. Where your born is the most retarded standard to hold up as to whether someones a real fan, it should surely be how long you've followed the club and how many games you go to. By your logic none of the team or the coaching staff bar a few should be supporters, grow up.
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On April 29 2012 19:10 sc4k wrote:
Arsenal have had an amazing season, considering all their injuries. If they don't sell off all the talent, they will win the PL within the next 3 years at least once, in my opinion. They could do with a little sprucing up in defence, and in midfield Song is good but he's no viera. Aside from that, the team has pretty much all the materials necessary for completely destroying the opposition, as they've shown. And they are young which is clearly a factor. If you look at Chelsea, our attempt to youngify the squad was mostly a horrific failure, and Di Matteo has only achieved success by bringing back the old guard. I don't see how you can look at the performance this season and think that Arsenal are on the way down, they are clearly battering the living shit out of good opponents when they work together and they will only get more predictably dominant as they get older. I love the fact that people are ruling out Walcott despite the fact he's only 22 and Henry arrived at Arsenal from Juventus (as a pretty average winger with a good turn of pace) when he was oh yeah what age oh yeah that's right 22 as well. Oxlade CHamberlain is looking like he could be one of the top 5 stars of the prem and he will be a shining star in the England team as well. And him coming on the inside works fine, he is amazing anywhere, also he won't get in the way of walcott and gervinho.
To be honest I'm really envious of Arsenal's current possibilities. I think they finally have got everything in place to return to the heights of 2003/4
You realise people say the same things you just did every year for the last 8 years right ? Ive already mentioned the fact that Wenger achieved most of his success with the better part of the french national team that was owning it up in the first couple of years of the decade and some bad assess from the 90's.Those were instances where he managed to successfully poach players and the footballing culture reveled in his philosophy (if anything the reason thats flopping now is because of people like Abramovich, and ofcourse the man who started it all Perez). The fact that Henry and others like him such as Pires at the time were so successful has turned out retrospectively, to be the exception, not the rule.. The last 8 years have proved as much.
+ Show Spoiler [For length] +I personally appreciate their method of doing things more. But if you dont win anything its all for naught. You can develop talent. But you need your Vieras and your Gilberto's and some hard noses like Lauren in your team. Winners who have won things and now how to win things.
Its easy to sit there and say "Oh we sucked at youngifying our squad like Arsenal" after one bad season prior to which its been a pretty good run of league titles in the last 6-7 years. 3 in just over half a decade is a great return. Other trophies aside. Thats why I say its patronizing. Its to the tune of saying something like "There there your team is great.. look at us we are only in the champions league final after a garbage season." That may well not be the intention but thats what it sounds like.
Its very painful when your team continuously does well year after year after year .... and doesnt win anything, not even a shit league cup and you have to be realistic at that point that getting over the hump is essential, and something needs to be done.
Walcott looks like a top star, at the moment hes a misfiring rocket with good finishing (thank god) and a first touch that makes me feel like hes wearing his boots on the wrong feet at times. Hes a good player to have on your team when you are winning, atleast most of the time anyway. With his pace anyone will have their moments.
Gervinho is 24, thats when players should start peaking.
Wheres Chamakh ?
Vella benching it up at Sociedad
Jeffers looked like the "fox in the box" Arsenal needed to complete there team..I think he went like 6 divisions down and doesnt even play anymore I guess and hes probably not even 30 yet.
Bendtner ? Dont get me started .
Eduardo broken foot not much to fault there.
Adebayor gone
Wilshere still MIA (hope hes back to top level soon)
Denilson flopped and gone
Flamini gone
Clichy gone..
Nasri gone..
Fabregas gone.
Something is obviously wrong here. You can find excuses for all of those players but thats just the tip of the iceberg. They were all "promising" and alot of them were failures and the ones that werent got tired and left for this or that reason.
No one said Arsenal were on their way down. If anything Arsenal is always good, even great when they want. And despite losing players all the time still maintain a certain level. They are on course to get more points this season than last. But they are not a title winning team, they have failed to raise their level. If they were and people genuinely believed that, then the possibility of RVP leaving wouldnt even be a discussion. His intent to stay wouldve been signed and sealed. You think the promise of a "bright future." after something or the other always going wrong Is going to keep stars happy these days? psshh.. RVP owes Arsenal for sticking by him despite his reputation as a Glass cannon. That was the only concern, no one doubted his ability. If anything thats the reason he will stay.
Common apologies you here, from the last two years
"Oh we just had a bad start, but look at how well we recovered !."
"We just ended the season poorly, that started bad couple of weeks, remember we were topping the table at one point, we were totally in it!"
These are not good justifications. Why do these things happen ? Why dont they happen to other teams 8 years in a row? Why do you build a bridge and then knock down half of it to build it again the next day ? Your never going to get across at that rate.
No, no one will take you seriously unless you actually go and win it. Or atleast stay in the picture right to the end (although in Arsenals case that wont work anymore. You just have to win.)
They drop points when they shouldnt and prior to the 10-11 season were the whipping boys of what was then the conventional top 4 (you can look at the head to heads of Liverpool Chelsea, Arsenal and United prior to then and notice how badly they are skewed against Arsenal post 03-04 while the rest of them are reasonably even)
More substance less promise. Consistency is great, but their fans would rather be winners. Thats what they expect and thats what they deserve. Arsenal having injuries is no surprise. If you have problems with suffering atleast one important player injury (horrific accidents aside) all the time then you are doing something wrong. And frankly its not an excuse anymore. I dont think real fans of the club will buy into that argument anymore. I wouldnt
This whole idea of "potential" doesnt win championships. Winning wins championships. Its not pessimism anymore really. I agree with fans who are frustrated as fuck and tired out of their minds because there is always a stone left unturned in the creation of a winning team. I love Wenger, I would hate if he got fired. But he needs to start spending money. Thats how football works these days. Arteta's and Benayouns wont win you league titles.
This is what I believe Telcontar was alluding to. Correct me if Im mistaken.
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Does Wenger have control of the budget? I honestly don't know haven't done the research, did he choose, without any duress from the owners, to sell Nasri, Clichy, Cole, Fabregas, Adebayor etc?
If it weren't for selling so many players, Arsenal already would have won the PL imo, and if they do not sell any of these current future stars...I really expect them to take the PL within 3 years. The only weakness of Arsenal is feeding other clubs. Whoever's fault that is is the reason they have had problems. Was it the whole new stadium thing?
PS Rebs yeah that's exactly what I'm saying...if I had to manage either CHelsea or Arsenal right now, but I wouldn't be told to sell anyone and I wouldn't be able to buy anyone...I would go Arsenal every time. The only weakness Arsenal has is the mandatory selling of players and a lack of funds (or desire) to buy in stars.
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On April 29 2012 19:10 sc4k wrote:
Arsenal have had an amazing season, considering all their injuries. If they don't sell off all the talent, they will win the PL within the next 3 years at least once, in my opinion. They could do with a little sprucing up in defence, and in midfield Song is good but he's no viera. Aside from that, the team has pretty much all the materials necessary for completely destroying the opposition, as they've shown. And they are young which is clearly a factor. If you look at Chelsea, our attempt to youngify the squad was mostly a horrific failure, and Di Matteo has only achieved success by bringing back the old guard. I don't see how you can look at the performance this season and think that Arsenal are on the way down, they are clearly battering the living shit out of good opponents when they work together and they will only get more predictably dominant as they get older. I love the fact that people are ruling out Walcott despite the fact he's only 22 and Henry arrived at Arsenal from Juventus (as a pretty average winger with a good turn of pace) when he was oh yeah what age oh yeah that's right 22 as well. Oxlade CHamberlain is looking like he could be one of the top 5 stars of the prem and he will be a shining star in the England team as well. And him coming on the inside works fine, he is amazing anywhere, also he won't get in the way of walcott and gervinho.
To be honest I'm really envious of Arsenal's current possibilities. I think they finally have got everything in place to return to the heights of 2003/4
If you compare Arsenals current squad with all the other teams, I honestly dont think they will get close to winning the league within 3 years. Tottenham have struggled since 'Arry has been linked with the England job and the players are getting tired as hell at this point. Few more signings and they wont be dropping as many points. Newcastle have been a complete beast and as the team gels and players like Ba and Cisse form a stronger partnership well be seeing glimpses of Andy Cole and Dwight York. Chelsea will hopefully Keep Di Matteo and with time to do what he wants in the summer, the team that beat Barca with 10 men will do better. Liverpool i honestly dont see as a threat so we'll be seeing 4 clubs fighting for third let alone winning the title.
What Arsenal really need is a world class player in center mid. RVP is the only reason arsenal have finished well this season and fans are deluded to think otherwise. Someone to play the role Viera used to. Bring some grit into the team and hold solid in midfield. Apart from that they need another defender, Arsenal look weak when one of the back four get injured.
On a different note it seems as if the owners are happy to let the club breakeven and as long as they do so, they wont invest in the squad. The only reason Arsenal made the last min signings was when they loss 8-2 to United and Wenger obviously said "look i need money" and got it.
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I think trying to keep Nasri and Fabregas was an impossible situation. Arsenal fans shouldn't blame Wenger for them leaving or being "forced out" of the club. Lets face it, Nasri was pretty disrespectful when he went to Man City about Arsenal, saying the lack of ambition and the players the club bought drove him out, but I don't think that was a situation Arsenal could avoid. He went for money, that's all. Trying to buy players to replace those two in the limited time frame just wasn't going to happen and this season they have made best of a bad situation. If it wasn't for RVP who knows were they would be, and Arsenal fans are very lucky to have him injury free for a whole year.
Keeping him there in the summer will be pretty vital for the clubs title winning future because there's no doubt RVP should be in a trophy winning side, but being 3rd/4th in the league is going to make your players attractive to teams like Man City/Real Madrid/Barcelona who can pay players 2x or 3x the amount they are already earning and it must be tough to ignore crazy wage deals like that.
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Well you did say southern. What was he supposed to think ? If you had just meant glory hunters then just "United Fans" wouldve been sufficient. The implication seems to me that if no one else at the very least southern fans are glory hunters. I dont see where you mentioned giving a shit or being connected was important, you just took region and slapped them across the face. its may be agiven to some thats not true but there is no way for him to know. I cant fault him for misunderstanding, I certainly thought thats what you meant.
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On April 29 2012 19:51 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 19:46 Stimp wrote:On April 29 2012 19:27 sc4k wrote:
Definitely, 90% of fans of top teams are spoilt. (Not to mention that probably 50%+ are glory hunters who don't even come from the area of the team they support haha, especially with Man U) Aren't you an arsenal fan? But I think the whole insulting of a clubs fans is fun and all, but in the end is a pointless argument. Don't really care where you are from as long as you are loyal to the team. But you do get some real idiots. No Chelsea...you must have missed the page where I said how the victory v barcelona was one of the best nights of my life lol. From Chelsea too... Meh I think people who support teams from a different area to where they are from is okay a) if they are foreign, or b) if they have a relative who got them into that team. Pretty much any other reason, in my mind, makes them dubious. But still it's true if you support the club and stay true...your voice and money are as useful to the club as anyone else.
the 5-2 against barca was also pretty nice
but yeah considering the circumstances the win over them was one of the best
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On April 29 2012 20:53 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 19:51 sc4k wrote:On April 29 2012 19:46 Stimp wrote:On April 29 2012 19:27 sc4k wrote:
Definitely, 90% of fans of top teams are spoilt. (Not to mention that probably 50%+ are glory hunters who don't even come from the area of the team they support haha, especially with Man U) Aren't you an arsenal fan? But I think the whole insulting of a clubs fans is fun and all, but in the end is a pointless argument. Don't really care where you are from as long as you are loyal to the team. But you do get some real idiots. No Chelsea...you must have missed the page where I said how the victory v barcelona was one of the best nights of my life lol. From Chelsea too... Meh I think people who support teams from a different area to where they are from is okay a) if they are foreign, or b) if they have a relative who got them into that team. Pretty much any other reason, in my mind, makes them dubious. But still it's true if you support the club and stay true...your voice and money are as useful to the club as anyone else. the 5-2 against barca was also pretty nice but yeah considering the circumstances the win over them was one of the best
4-2 ?
Yea difference is Chelsea was a better team then. They were really really good
for pound stronger, more athletic just everything youd expect the best PL team to be. And they had Makelele ! That first 20 min salvo left me reeling I remember. And people like Duff and Joe Cole actually mattered.
Barca just had Ronnie carrying their ass the entire game and it still wasnt enough. and then JT killed it (always disliked him since then..)
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On April 29 2012 20:56 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 20:53 Denzil wrote:On April 29 2012 19:51 sc4k wrote:On April 29 2012 19:46 Stimp wrote:On April 29 2012 19:27 sc4k wrote:
Definitely, 90% of fans of top teams are spoilt. (Not to mention that probably 50%+ are glory hunters who don't even come from the area of the team they support haha, especially with Man U) Aren't you an arsenal fan? But I think the whole insulting of a clubs fans is fun and all, but in the end is a pointless argument. Don't really care where you are from as long as you are loyal to the team. But you do get some real idiots. No Chelsea...you must have missed the page where I said how the victory v barcelona was one of the best nights of my life lol. From Chelsea too... Meh I think people who support teams from a different area to where they are from is okay a) if they are foreign, or b) if they have a relative who got them into that team. Pretty much any other reason, in my mind, makes them dubious. But still it's true if you support the club and stay true...your voice and money are as useful to the club as anyone else. the 5-2 against barca was also pretty nice but yeah considering the circumstances the win over them was one of the best 4-2 ? Yea difference is Chelsea was a better team then. They were really really good for pound stronger, more athletic just everything youd expect the best PL team to be. And they had Makelele ! That first 20 min salvo left me reeling I remember. And people like Duff and Joe Cole actually mattered. Barca just had Ronnie carrying their ass the entire game and it still wasnt enough. and then JT killed it (always disliked him since then..)
it was either 4-2 or 5-2 I can't remember but I know Messi mauled Wayne Bridge all game and Ronaldinio did something special and scored on the edge of the box
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Oh no I used up all my downloads for the month watching Never Mind the Buzzcocks on Youtube. Guess I'll just listen to the Glasgow derby on 5live.
On April 29 2012 20:45 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 19:52 UdderChaos wrote:On April 29 2012 19:39 Sated wrote:On April 29 2012 19:11 Surrealistic wrote:On April 29 2012 18:07 Telcontar wrote:On April 29 2012 17:17 sc4k wrote:On April 29 2012 09:15 Telcontar wrote:On April 29 2012 05:30 sc4k wrote:On April 29 2012 01:03 Timurid wrote:On April 29 2012 00:55 Telcontar wrote:
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I still don't see a strong enough squad. Yeah, we've been unlucky with injuries (as usual), but the quality, and most importantly the depth just isn't there. And the players we're looking to sign over the summer are not that good either. We just can't financially compete with a host of other clubs, and Arsene's repeated attempts to unearth talent has gone wayward over the past 5~7 years.
As for Van Persie, him delaying the talks over his contract until after the Euros is a bad sign for us. It's clear he wants to wait & see if he can further impress potential suitors at the tournament. Stop being a pessimist, ugh with wilshere and arteta coming back from injury and new signings we get this summer. RVP will surely sign for us. Where would he go not city, Madrid wants aguero, only destintation is barca and with all crap happening in barca i doubt it. His family loves London and he has both of his children in the arsenal program. He probably just wants to finish this season off and see who we sign before he commits to a new contract. This has been a pretty remarkable season with abysmal start and the talks about arsenal is a mid table team blablalba and look where we are now 3rd in the league. Captain VanTastic is here to stay! Psh, Wilshere, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ramsey, Gervinho, Walcott...what a nice set of youngsters to build your team around. Not really. Ramsey hasn't been the same player since he came back from his leg break. He's very loose in possession, tends to be hesitant in front of the goal, and his passing often gets sloppy as the match goes on. Maybe he just needs more time to get back on the right track, but I'm not holding my breath (see what happened to Eduardo). Ox definitely looks a promising talent, but he has expressed his desire to play in central midfield, and I'm not sure how that'll turn out. I think he should focus more on being an out-and-out winger and work on his ability to go past players and deliver a good ball. We need good wingers more than CMs right now. Gervinho, I'm not really sure about. He's a decent player, but I still haven't seen anything particularaly noteworthy from him. And we all know Walcott is a very mixed bag. Blindly fast, yeah, and he can finish well, but is very inconsistent. He is also very poor at taking on defenders and going past them, and is very injury prone (which fits Arsenal perfectly lol). Perhaps I am being a pessimist, but I'm just calling it as I see it. Wow you are fiercely pessimistic. From where I'm standing you have nothing to be worried about. Arsenal have had a cracking season and all of your players will be getting better. Losing RVP if it happens will be bad but the amount of money you'll get should allow you (if the owners don't jew it up) to at least get some sort of worthwhile replacement. Wenger has some form in picking good strikers! Ox is fucking amazing, he could play CB and still make an amazing contribution. Gerinvho is young so just wait for him to get some maturity. Same goes for all of those players. Even Walcott has been showing that with some maturity he can play with the team on his back. Remember people having doubts that RVP would be able to come out of Henry's shadow. Yeah, 8 years of nothing will do that to a person. And after 8 years of 'rebuilding', we're no close to ANY trophy than we were back than. If anything, we've become less competitive over the years. Perhaps I'm being a realist and the rest of you don't really care about Arsenal or are particularly optimistic. There's a running joke about how fans of the big teams who consistently win and challenge for titles don't experience what it's like to be a football fan. I'd say that it's definitely a different experience because everyone cares about how the big teams are doing, and everyone loves to rub it in when things go wrong for them. If I supported a team in mid-table then most people I know wouldn't bother me when they lost; as it stands, every time United fuck up I have to deal with crap from all sides for a good few days. Very annoying EDIT: On April 29 2012 19:27 sc4k wrote:
Definitely, 90% of fans of top teams are spoilt. (Not to mention that probably 50%+ are glory hunters who don't even come from the area of the team they support haha, especially with Man U) Don't get me started on southern "United fans". I can't stand them, they annoy the crap out of me. Right, so im born in the southwest, were we have no premiership football, my uncle is a manc and supported the team his whole life, my dad was never into football, my uncle brought me up on Manchester united, but i guess when i could think for myself at age 13 i should have realized that i was WRONG to support them, after all who was I, a person who wasn't even lucky enough to be born in the right place, to support Manchester united. God, how annoying is that, to not decide that i should forgot about watching the treble win as a kid with glee, and the fact that i know more about the club than 90% of manc's who i now know who support them do (i live quite near Manchester now). I guess by your retarded logic then that none of the current Manchester untied first team, bar scholes, should cheer when they score, after all a lot of them are from overseas and the rest aren't from Manchester, in fact sir Alex Ferguson clearly isn't a real untied fan, he was born in Glasgow, guess he really annoys you for supporting the team too? People like you are much more annoying, there are thousands of people who are born in Manchester who don't give two fucks about the team, and southerners who i know who own season tickets and travel to every game. Where your born is the most retarded standard to hold up as to whether someones a real fan, it should surely be how long you've followed the club and how many games you go to. By your logic none of the team or the coaching staff bar a few should be supporters, grow up. >_>; Way to take something far too personally and misread it completely at the same time. By placing the words "United fans" in speech marks, I was clearly referring to the glory hunters who aren't from Manchester - not people who have a family connection to the club or who actually give a shit. That I was replying to someone who mentioned glory hunters should've given you a clue. Good job, Sherlock <3
Everyone has some sort of story about why they support their team and all that. I just wish people would admit to being a glory hunter (at first) or being a victim to excellent marketing. Doesn't take away your love for the sport. Just admit it, if not to everyone else, at least to yourself. This post is about football fans (applicable to) in general and not directed to any particular person here.
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A glory hunter is someone who keeps changing to the team that wins. Its like callings someone a Glory hunter because they started supporting Arsenal in 03/04. Not really a glory hunter if they are now sticking with them through the ruff. Maybe if they then started supporting Chelsea under Mourinho and now City then yeah. Thats a glory hunter. Also the people who magically became Barca supporters over the last few years. They are glory hunters.
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O wow.. even Torres is scoring. And Chelsea is moving the ball so well. QPR getting picked apart. Especially that third goal..
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