2011-2012 football (soccer) thread - Page 375

On April 28 2012 11:32 Steveling wrote:


Well, it's perfectly normal. I don't want to hear about sevilla or atletico or anyone else.
I want to listen to what pep has to say and after he's done I will close the tv and won't watch sevilla or atletico or anyone else's game, xD.
That's how it goes, you take back from what you give. Barca and real are the reason la liga is so famous and they rightfully take the biggest share.

On April 28 2012 11:46 Zhiroo wrote:
That's bullshit. Barca and Real sure are the two best teams and most people watch them but they don't make the league and not having equal shares hurts La Liga a lot it's just RFEF are stupid as fuck and don't realize it yet that Barca and Real are greedy motherfuckers.

On April 28 2012 09:58 Steveling wrote:


No you got it wrong. The club wants to change the manager, since last year actually. Dunno why since he's incredibly successful but there you have it.

On April 28 2012 11:32 Steveling wrote:


Well, it's perfectly normal. I don't want to hear about sevilla or atletico or anyone else.
I want to listen to what pep has to say and after he's done I will close the tv and won't watch sevilla or atletico or anyone else's game, xD.
That's how it goes, you take back from what you give. Barca and real are the reason la liga is so famous and they rightfully take the biggest share.

On April 28 2012 17:37 Rebs wrote:
I dont know where you got it, but Barca are under some pretty strict austerity measures, so they certainly arent rich in the way your suggesting they are. As for the leagues healthyness, as much as Barca and Real are to blame, the clubs themselves are poorly managed and have no one else to blame for the basics of getting their houses in order. What they are doing is the same as when you break your own toy and then whine that the other guy has 3 so he can afford to break 2 and thats not fair. In general everything needs to get better.

And lets be fair Real are pretty much runaway winners. They have been beyond exceptional as far as being a league team is concerned. Great depth, and to many teams underestimating how good they are, trying to go at them when they should be trying to frustrate. Valencia being 30 points behind could easily just mean that the quality of the competition below the top 2 is pretty good. Even the PL has been a two horse race for well .. nearly all year. And lets not forget that some of those
"not so competitive" The quality of teams they have to play on a regular basis is not as subpar as you suggest. Spanish teams seem to be dominating the lower tier of europe. The arguement can go either way really so its not all doom and gloom.

As for what happened in the UCL semis.. comon.. a Penalty shootout loss and a miracle defensive performance. Neither of those are regular occurrences. Its not the start of anything really. Just like the PL clubs arent any less good for crashing out when they did (although some of them should be pretty embarrassed)

On April 28 2012 18:10 sc4k wrote:
It's things like this which make me wish that football took a leaf out of the USA way of doing things. Their draft system, and the system by whcih every team's expenditure on players is 'capped', and the organisation central to the sport (NFL NBA NHL etc) actually takes a bunch of revenue and then distributes it evenly, means you have a league where every team can (but not necessarily does) have its place in the spotlight. Of course you can't really do it as easily when you have a system of leagues with relegation and promotion, but perhaps they could look towards it. Perhaps forcing TV rights to be more equal would be a start. People like seeing new teams come through and win. The way the Americans organise their sport is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (x infinity) >>>>>> better than the way everyone else does. Sorry to say but it's blatantly true. All of the 'miles run per game' and 'passes' and even 'assist' stat overloads are all borrowing from the way Americans analyse their games (granted it ultimately comes from cricket but they really developed it)...the Americans just organise so insanely well. Football is too much laissez faire economics for my liking. Needs a touch more regulation. Financial fair play is arguably a good thing but then again seems to shackle teams to the size of their stadium/ prices of their tickets.

On April 28 2012 18:04 SACtheXchng wrote:
Re: UCL semis:
I'm in no way saying that Barca and Real were being dominated in the semis. Reducing it to "A Penalty shootout loss and a miracle defensive performance" is understating it as well though. In Bayern - Real, it's not like the 210 minutes before the shoot-out (to which you are reducing it) never happened. Bayern had been the better team overall over the two legs. That's something you wouldn't expect from a team that wasn't capable of winning their domestic league (Bayern), against a team (Real) not dominating, but utterly dismantling their own.
When it comes to Chelsea - Barca, people's opinions are divided. I think Chelsea absolutely deserved to go through. In my opinion calling it "Miracle defense" is taking away from the effort they put in as a team fighting on the pitch, and tactically by manager Di Matteo.

Again, I said that we MIGHT have seen THE BEGINNINGS of Real/Barca being underprepared for serious international challenges, because of the 19 teams they have to play domestically 18 are basically walkovers.

On April 28 2012 22:11 Steveling wrote:
No sc4k, you forgot the reason why the whole talent drafting thing is viable in the us. The reason is because the new players come from other organizations(colleges) and these teams aren't in nba/nfl.
It would be pretty ridiculous if we applied it in football and random weak teams could fetch barcelonas or arsenals greatest talents and then compete against them with these same players that they spent money and effort and many years to develop.

On April 28 2012 22:32 Ysellian wrote:


And yet it is perfectly normal for it to happen the other way around. Arsenal, and plenty of other top clubs, poach plenty of talented players from other professional teams a cross Europe before they can sign a contract (or just very cheap due to expiring contracts) only to end up selling them off for millions more.

edit: Even within leagues top teams poach youngsters from lesser teams all the time. Just putting a stop to this from happening would be equal to the American drafting system.

On April 28 2012 22:45 Salteador Neo wrote:


Great move IMO Sick young talent. Would have signed him last year if I were in any team xd

On April 28 2012 23:00 Telcontar wrote:
Come on Gunners! Make sure you get that 3rd spot in case Chelsea win the CL.

On April 28 2012 22:53 Rebs wrote:


As some guy already mentioned you can weigh the merits of draft/cap vs the relative freedom of football and your grand kids would still be doing it. Its in many ways an apple to oranges comparison with respect to scope, fanbase, marketing, player base, teams, competition and god knows so much more. You cannot effectively administer a draft system in football. This is simply not possible and secondly its not fair. Football is to big to many people will suffer and the logistics are hardly manageable. Also even if you could, drafting is not exactly a great thing either all the time. Ask anyone with half a brain about the NBA this season and how more than half the league went on a tank spree to get good draft picks. Because 1 player can make a diff there its a different deal. And even then you barely have maybe 10 franchises who actually have titles. So its not exactly worked like a charm has it. But Im digressing. It has its benefits but its not going to work in football.

As for caps and such, yea sure the FA's have to step in for that. UEFA is doing what it can. Ultimate responsiblity should be with the clubs. The punishments are there if you fuck up. Might want to ask what the players think about it while your at it. I dont see to many happy faces (spoilt fuckers init?).

Lets be honest aside from Cesc, Wenger hasnt really "poached' anything from anywhere cept France. And more importantly for all his poaching great players he hasnt won the league in nearly 10 years. And the last time he did it, it was with a chalk full of oldschool badasses and the strong parts of the french national team that was on the back off winning everything possible, he assembled the team brilliantly no doubt. But the times seemed to have moved past that philosophy and I can only hope the circle back to it.

Arsenal does turn a profit and does a great job at it. But they dont win anything. Football is about winning first as far as clubs are concerned atleast thats been the obsession thats led to this financial mess that is europe. Im sure alot of the people running these teams are alot more intelligent than the people with great (usually borrowed) ideas on message boards but alot of them do weigh the best approaches. Many are idiots. Not all of them, still the culture needs to break and that starts with fans being more accepting. Otherwise teams will be reluctant to change the status quo. Neither of which i see happening in the near future.