EPTNot rly,he's not in best shape for a quite sometime.Cr7 and Messi still the best players atm,and doesn't matter that they didn't scored the penalties.Pichichi trophy and EC,probably will be the deciders,those who'll make more goals is the winner,but Cr7 got one advantage,Euro Champ
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
Not rly,he's not in best shape for a quite sometime.Cr7 and Messi still the best players atm,and doesn't matter that they didn't scored the penalties.Pichichi trophy and EC,probably will be the deciders,those who'll make more goals is the winner,but Cr7 got one advantage,Euro Champ | ||
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sidesprang
Norway1033 Posts
I don't see any other real contenders at this moment. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
I bet even the biggest RMA fans will be sad cuz of Pep leaving Barca in the end of the season,it was perfect duel and it was perfect thriller between two great teams and big coaches,the battel with equal enemies. P.S But I will stay and cheer up for both Spain grands,doesn't matter what would happen,it's cuz of their perfect playing i like this game | ||
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Wurstbrot
Germany89 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On April 27 2012 23:41 Wurstbrot wrote: CR7 is BY FAR the best player on the planet! Its not even close. If he doesn't win it this year, they should think about changing the voting process. Messi only won 3 times in a row, because he is more likeable. I see that someone has a problem with being objective. XD | ||
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Surrealistic
311 Posts
On April 27 2012 21:35 sc4k wrote: There's only 1 manager on my mind for Chelsea...the great Mourine. Everyone loves him in England, unlike in Spain where they all hate him. We give him respect as being one of the top 3 managers of all time. He belongs back in Chelsea. He brought in Drog and Essien and Cech. He made the team what it is today, he is the one we need when we stand on the verge of buying a whole new roster of players. He's doesn't want the Chelsea job right now. He's not stupid enough to move into a situation where he needs to make a completely new team, dismantling the one he made in the first place. Wot, top 3 managers of all time. Lets see .. Helenio Herrera, Marcello Lippi, Sepp Herberger, Gustav Sebes, Brian Clough, Mario Zagallo, Alex Ferguson, Johann Cruyff ... e: Chelsea Chelsea, you have his-tor-y  | ||
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sidesprang
Norway1033 Posts
On April 27 2012 23:41 Wurstbrot wrote: CR7 is BY FAR the best player on the planet! Its not even close. If he doesn't win it this year, they should think about changing the voting process. Messi only won 3 times in a row, because he is more likeable. Last year Iniesta should have won. I'm 100% sure that Messi scores more votes because of him beeing more likable, but TBH i think he should have won every year except the WC year. The race this year is a lot closer and I think CR7 got a decent shot, would have been favourite in my eyes if they made the CL final. | ||
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Timurid
Guyana (French)656 Posts
On April 27 2012 23:43 Holgerius wrote: I see that someone has a problem with being objective. XD I still think Sniejder should of won when he won the treble. He wasn't even on the short list. Sniejder, ineista, and Xavi that year. | ||
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
On April 27 2012 23:51 Surrealistic wrote: So sad that Anton Ferdinand might get booed this weekend (like his brother was hilariously). "How dare you be insulted by racist remarks, boooooo!". He's doesn't want the Chelsea job right now. He's not stupid enough to move into a situation where he needs to make a completely new team, dismantling the one he made in the first place. Wot, top 3 managers of all time. Lets see .. Helenio Herrera, Marcello Lippi, Sepp Herberger, Gustav Sebes, Brian Clough, Mario Zagallo, Alex Ferguson, Johann Cruyff ... e: Chelsea Chelsea, you have his-tor-y How could you forget Rinus Michels? | ||
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La1
United Kingdom659 Posts
soooo pep to leave barca :O i think this drops my opinion of him, You can get a golden generation once but legendary managers rebuild squads and i wonder if the new barca comming through is not as good! o_O | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On April 27 2012 23:41 Wurstbrot wrote: CR7 is BY FAR the best player on the planet! Its not even close. If he doesn't win it this year, they should think about changing the voting process. Messi only won 3 times in a row, because he is more likeable. Last year Iniesta should have won. Ridiculous. Yes, CR7 is one of the most prolific goalscorers in the history of the game, but he doesn't really do much besides that. And Messi matches him in terms of scoring (surpassing him so far this season) and outdoes him in assists. He also has superior dribbling abilities, better vision, technique, and ability to perform in high pressure situations (recent events notwithstanding). CR7 will be remembered like Gerd Mueller. Unbelievably good in front of the goal, but not much more than that. There's a reason why Mueller's name doesn't come up in GOAT discussions. As for the Ballon d'Or, it's laughable to imply that you know more about what makes a player great than all the journalists that vote in it. Perhaps you can objectively explain why CR7 is better than Messi or any other player in the world? | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On April 27 2012 23:51 Surrealistic wrote: He's doesn't want the Chelsea job right now. He's not stupid enough to move into a situation where he needs to make a completely new team, dismantling the one he made in the first place. Wot, top 3 managers of all time. Lets see .. Helenio Herrera, Marcello Lippi, Sepp Herberger, Gustav Sebes, Brian Clough, Mario Zagallo, Alex Ferguson, Johann Cruyff ... Yeah I can make a case for mourine being in the top 3 definitely. I think one of the main reasons is he has shown that he can achieve success in four leagues. He completely turned around real madrid from what I have seen, he was clearly a big impact in Chelsea, a big impact in Inter and obviously was unbelievable with Porto. His CV is insane for his age. For me it's not about what you can do with just one club or one team. You leave open arguments such as 'he was blessed with a great scouting staff/ he was lucky to have the players he had/ he only made it in one country'. I completely reject your other point too. I see Jose as someone who likes to get control and mould a team out of current talent available in the market. He doesn't mind working with incumbents but he is great at bringing in new names. Anyway apparently he has ruled out Chelsea...which is a kick in the bollocks  . He has opted to stay in Spain, with its ridiculous press that is 10x worse than the English press and Italian press combined. Meh, his choice...hopefully he will return eventually to the EPL and be in charge either of Chelsea or a team which I don't really dislike. If he took the reigns of Man U I might jump out of a building.On April 28 2012 00:04 La1 wrote: i think this drops my opinion of him, You can get a golden generation once but legendary managers rebuild squads and i wonder if the new barca comming through is not as good! o_O Yeah well investing a shitload of money into your youth system requires that you actually get some talented youths. We've yet to see if the current crop will rise to the heights of xavi or iniesta but I have my doubts! | ||
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DragoonPK
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haitike
Spain2742 Posts
On April 28 2012 00:04 La1 wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17855980 soooo pep to leave barca :O i think this drops my opinion of him, You can get a golden generation once but legendary managers rebuild squads and i wonder if the new barca comming through is not as good! o_O He was so tired, so tired, he decided in December it seems. His best friend sickness (Tito Vilanoba), Abidal thing, 2 years fighting with Mourinho and Real Madrid Press, All the pre-season traveling in USA/Asia that He hated so much for the team, and He didnt like too much the actual President Rosell (He was a near to the previus one, Laporta), the actual president is too anti-Cruyff and Guardiola admires Cruyff too much as his ex-coach. I think He is going to rest 1 or 2 years without coaching. | ||
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Raidern
Brazil3821 Posts
Now I'm looking forward to see what happens to barça next season! | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
On April 28 2012 00:09 Telcontar wrote: Ridiculous. Yes, CR7 is one of the most prolific goalscorers in the history of the game, but he doesn't really do much besides that. And Messi matches him in terms of scoring (surpassing him so far this season) and outdoes him in assists. He also has superior dribbling abilities, better vision, technique, and ability to perform in high pressure situations (recent events notwithstanding). CR7 will be remembered like Gerd Mueller. Unbelievably good in front of the goal, but not much more than that. There's a reason why Mueller's name doesn't come up in GOAT discussions. As for the Ballon d'Or, it's laughable to imply that you know more about what makes a player great than all the journalists that vote in it. Perhaps you can objectively explain why CR7 is better than Messi or any other player in the world? I would say they're both the best in their ways,but both of them,just...different,we can imagine,how will it be if they would share a single team.U already named all the abilities of Messi,I'll try to do the same for Cr7,first of all,he's athletics,he's strong,he's superfast,high stamina level,powerful shot with both legs,he's high and scores a lot of goals with he's head,good penaltist (those fail in the semi final looks like an exception) and also he has fantastic goal feeling. Basicly they got different amlua,but i would like to see them playing is a single team,just for curious,what a fantastic team,potentially could it be | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On April 28 2012 00:09 Telcontar wrote: As for the Ballon d'Or, it's laughable to imply that you know more about what makes a player great than all the journalists that vote in it. Perhaps you can objectively explain why CR7 is better than Messi or any other player in the world? Not going to start an argument about whom is better, because frankly I don't care . Just wanted to say that with the merger it's not just journalists that vote in it, but managers and players as well. Whom seem incredibly biased against certain leagues and players. | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
That is the difference. A good individualist (Ronaldo, Robben) is not a grand player who carries a team. Individual moments against carrying the team and that's why Messi is far more complete than Ronaldo and that's why he earns the Ballon d'Or for the past few years. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
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Timurid
Guyana (French)656 Posts
On April 28 2012 03:54 Twisted wrote: Ronaldo is an individualist. He is a great player but only in moments. He's too inconsistent and that has shown a lot in big games. You also can't build a team around Ronaldo because of this fact. You can however build a team around Messi (or other current great team players like Özil, van Persie, Sneijder when he was still in form and Cruijff, Zidane, Litmanen in the past). That is the difference. A good individualist (Ronaldo, Robben) is not a grand player who carries a team. Individual moments against carrying the team and that's why Messi is far more complete than Ronaldo and that's why he earns the Ballon d'Or for the past few years. Not in 2010. | ||
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