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Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 11:58:23
April 05 2012 11:56 GMT
#5121
On April 05 2012 20:33 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 20:30 mememolly wrote:
On April 05 2012 20:28 Telcontar wrote:
Say what you want about Jose, but he gets results, and that's all that matters in the end. You might point out the incredible transfer war chests he's had at Chelsea and now Madrid, but he also won the treble with Inter and Porto. Whatever you might think of his methods, it works. Also, some of his whining & mind games may seem overly obnoxious, but there's always some strategy behind it. He somehow always manages to channel it to his players.


Mourinho is pure entertainment, can't wait to see him back in the prem talking shit every week and not giving a fuck


Yeah i think the Premiership press are the only ones in the world who like Mourinho right? Everyone loved his stories every week in the Prem, he also had good relationships with most managers too.

Holland is probably 50/50. Wilfried de Jong a columnist in my newspaper loves mourinho and i feel many secretly love him. He bribgs character and extra drama. Im sure the uefa love him as well
It's just that cruyf despises him so not many people in Holland will admit it.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 12:00:32
April 05 2012 11:57 GMT
#5122
On April 05 2012 20:28 Telcontar wrote:
Say what you want about Jose, but he gets results, and that's all that matters in the end. You might point out the incredible transfer war chests he's had at Chelsea and now Madrid, but he also won the treble with Inter and Porto. Whatever you might think of his methods, it works. Also, some of his whining & mind games may seem overly obnoxious, but there's always some strategy behind it. He somehow always manages to channel it to his players.


Barça bitches about obvious stuff --> Huge shitstorm.
Mou bitches about everything, everyday --> Damn such a good strategist.

Guy keeps saying refs help barça and shit on madrid while every other team in spain knows it's the other way around.
No one really cares about not winning this Liga because it's been way too corrupted, so it's a win-win situation for barça no matter what.

PD: Oh wow I'm reading in the Sport that Terry may be injured? :o I missed the game yesterday because I was at some friends' place.
Revolutionist fan
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
April 05 2012 12:09 GMT
#5123
On April 05 2012 20:57 Salteador Neo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 20:28 Telcontar wrote:
Say what you want about Jose, but he gets results, and that's all that matters in the end. You might point out the incredible transfer war chests he's had at Chelsea and now Madrid, but he also won the treble with Inter and Porto. Whatever you might think of his methods, it works. Also, some of his whining & mind games may seem overly obnoxious, but there's always some strategy behind it. He somehow always manages to channel it to his players.


Barça bitches about obvious stuff --> Huge shitstorm.
Mou bitches about everything, everyday --> Damn such a good strategist.

Guy keeps saying refs help barça and shit on madrid while every other team in spain knows it's the other way around.
No one really cares about not winning this Liga because it's been way too corrupted, so it's a win-win situation for barça no matter what.

PD: Oh wow I'm reading in the Sport that Terry may be injured? :o I missed the game yesterday because I was at some friends' place.

Both mourinho and barca whining is strategic.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
April 05 2012 12:17 GMT
#5124
On April 05 2012 21:09 Ysellian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 20:57 Salteador Neo wrote:
On April 05 2012 20:28 Telcontar wrote:
Say what you want about Jose, but he gets results, and that's all that matters in the end. You might point out the incredible transfer war chests he's had at Chelsea and now Madrid, but he also won the treble with Inter and Porto. Whatever you might think of his methods, it works. Also, some of his whining & mind games may seem overly obnoxious, but there's always some strategy behind it. He somehow always manages to channel it to his players.


Barça bitches about obvious stuff --> Huge shitstorm.
Mou bitches about everything, everyday --> Damn such a good strategist.

Guy keeps saying refs help barça and shit on madrid while every other team in spain knows it's the other way around.
No one really cares about not winning this Liga because it's been way too corrupted, so it's a win-win situation for barça no matter what.

PD: Oh wow I'm reading in the Sport that Terry may be injured? :o I missed the game yesterday because I was at some friends' place.

Both mourinho and barca whining is strategic.


Agree, but the reactions to both from the same people are quite different. That was the point.
Revolutionist fan
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
April 05 2012 12:31 GMT
#5125
On April 05 2012 21:17 Salteador Neo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 21:09 Ysellian wrote:
On April 05 2012 20:57 Salteador Neo wrote:
On April 05 2012 20:28 Telcontar wrote:
Say what you want about Jose, but he gets results, and that's all that matters in the end. You might point out the incredible transfer war chests he's had at Chelsea and now Madrid, but he also won the treble with Inter and Porto. Whatever you might think of his methods, it works. Also, some of his whining & mind games may seem overly obnoxious, but there's always some strategy behind it. He somehow always manages to channel it to his players.


Barça bitches about obvious stuff --> Huge shitstorm.
Mou bitches about everything, everyday --> Damn such a good strategist.

Guy keeps saying refs help barça and shit on madrid while every other team in spain knows it's the other way around.
No one really cares about not winning this Liga because it's been way too corrupted, so it's a win-win situation for barça no matter what.

PD: Oh wow I'm reading in the Sport that Terry may be injured? :o I missed the game yesterday because I was at some friends' place.

Both mourinho and barca whining is strategic.


Agree, but the reactions to both from the same people are quite different. That was the point.


Ah I see, sorry about that ^_^
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 13:37:29
April 05 2012 13:35 GMT
#5126
On April 05 2012 19:28 Pandemona wrote:
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On April 05 2012 19:23 Tazza wrote:
Wait, so how do these Champions League draws work? It seems like they're random and fixed at the same time. Like last year, everyone thought Barca would play Real in semis and this year it seems everyone knows that its barca vs chelsea and real vs bayern. How the heck do they work?


Round of 32 is group stage drawn with seeds and no more than 1 country in each group of 4 teams.
Round of 16 is still country protecetd, but also seeded by 1st of groups only play teams who finished second.
Round of 8 is anything goes draw, but they also draw the semi final draw at the same time.

Ill describe this years draw for you see if you can follow it;

Round of 8;
APOEL vs Real Madrid QF1
Marsielle vs Bayern Munich QF2
Milan vs Barcelona QF3
Benfica vs Chelsea QF4

Semi Final;
QF2 vs QF1 (Bayern vs Real)
QF4 VS QF3 (Chelsea vs Barcelona)


That draw was done before the Quarter final ties took place.

Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 19:27 Denzil wrote:
On April 05 2012 19:04 Kotreb wrote:
On April 05 2012 18:44 Twisted wrote:
Mourinho is a fucking retard anyway, why would anyone listen to anything the mental patient has to say. All he aims for in life is to cause an uproar.

It's ridiculously unprofessional. He could learn a thing or two from Guardiola who for example only pointed out the good parts of Ibrahimovic when asked his opinion on the man who basically ranted an entire chapter of his book about Guardiola.


I wouldn't call him retarded. He perfectly knows what he's doing and he does it on purpose. He's a great strategist, but his media appearance cold be toned down a bit. But than again it's all his little mind games plan. I think it just comes to the personal preference do you like him or not.



As a Chelsea fan I think he's a fucking genius. Everything he does, he does with a goal in mind

@ the england guy bashing Chelsea, from the sound of it you won't change your mind so I'd suggest to stop posting because you're clearly of a 1 dimensional view, Did Drogba do much that game? Nope, but there's no one better in our team that holds the ball up, is a power house headerer, or defends in a striking class of his own. Did the game pan out to use him to full effect? No it didn't aside from the "free kick" but eh. Roberto said it best in the interview, we lacked the 2nd goal to kill the game off I don't blame us for not actively trying to 5-0 them We got 3 games in 6 days or something coming up not to mention the week after Barca, got to be some resting and rotation going on.

@ the portuguese guy I presume you're a benfica fan / portugal favoured guy so clearly you're going to be looking for a way to discredit the penalty much as if it was given to you I'd find a way to discredit it as well.
But you can't just clatter the ever living shit out of someone who has the ball.


Are you being serious? How much football do you follow? How is my view bashing Chelsea? Im Chelsea till i die, i was a season ticket holder 2 seasons ago until i couldnt get to the games no more. I go to Stamford bridge regular, i have been to 2 finals FA Cup vs Everton and Man utd champions league final in Russia. And your saying im "bashing" Chelsea WTF. Im saying what everyone is saying what is truthful. How you still see a 33 year old Drogba as any good is beyond me. This season he has been 120% worst than Torres has been, he has played 1 GOOD game vs Napoli a team who cannot defend to save there lives. He played vs Spurs in a MUST WIN GAME for 4th place and he was fkn shite, he can't be trusted to play in the important games anymore because if he doesn't turn up he just doesn't give anything to the team. We don't need him for freekicks anymore we have Mata who has hit the post like 3 times in his last 3 freekicks he has had. (Spurs Man Utd other 1 i forget). Drogba "holds the ball up" correct he does, but he didn't do anything like that last night for his 6 minutes he was on the pitch for. You have dream googles on i think and are way to much a fanboy of Drogba to see past anything wrong he does. I love Drogba and are hugely thankful for what he has given and done for Chelsea football club over his spell he has had here, but he is old now and like he is been doing needs to be drifted out of the Squad now, he has not been offered a new contract yet and there is huge reason as to why he has not gotten a new one. When Bosingwa Hilario and Kalou are all getting new contracts and Drogba isn't (mainly because he wants a 2 year deal and Chelsea only willing to give him a 1 year one) he has no place to stand no more, he is just going to have to be a squad player now and come on and do a job every now and then.


not bashing chelsea then, bashing drogba instead. sick ethic we got here at chelsea, drogba man you've done so fucking much for us since you arrived but, you're old and have had a bad game. we don't want you no more.
he's the most defensivly capable striker we've got, throwing him on is never a bad choice because no one heads more balls from corners than drogba / lampard combo and i've never seen someone waste time so efficiently as him.
drogba did good against napoli? lets ignore that because napoli are clearly a bad team that cant defend, the ignorance you show for someone who is "chelsea til they die" is unbelieveable.
and for the record, i went to russia as well, ontop of other finals and games frequently

@salteador he got a rib injury or something which is why cahill came on,

kalou was shocking though i will admit mata and ramiries looked so mad everytime he didn't just pass across goal
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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
April 05 2012 13:48 GMT
#5127
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 05 2012 13:52 GMT
#5128
On April 05 2012 22:35 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 19:28 Pandemona wrote:
On April 05 2012 19:23 Tazza wrote:
Wait, so how do these Champions League draws work? It seems like they're random and fixed at the same time. Like last year, everyone thought Barca would play Real in semis and this year it seems everyone knows that its barca vs chelsea and real vs bayern. How the heck do they work?


Round of 32 is group stage drawn with seeds and no more than 1 country in each group of 4 teams.
Round of 16 is still country protecetd, but also seeded by 1st of groups only play teams who finished second.
Round of 8 is anything goes draw, but they also draw the semi final draw at the same time.

Ill describe this years draw for you see if you can follow it;

Round of 8;
APOEL vs Real Madrid QF1
Marsielle vs Bayern Munich QF2
Milan vs Barcelona QF3
Benfica vs Chelsea QF4

Semi Final;
QF2 vs QF1 (Bayern vs Real)
QF4 VS QF3 (Chelsea vs Barcelona)


That draw was done before the Quarter final ties took place.

On April 05 2012 19:27 Denzil wrote:
On April 05 2012 19:04 Kotreb wrote:
On April 05 2012 18:44 Twisted wrote:
Mourinho is a fucking retard anyway, why would anyone listen to anything the mental patient has to say. All he aims for in life is to cause an uproar.

It's ridiculously unprofessional. He could learn a thing or two from Guardiola who for example only pointed out the good parts of Ibrahimovic when asked his opinion on the man who basically ranted an entire chapter of his book about Guardiola.


I wouldn't call him retarded. He perfectly knows what he's doing and he does it on purpose. He's a great strategist, but his media appearance cold be toned down a bit. But than again it's all his little mind games plan. I think it just comes to the personal preference do you like him or not.



As a Chelsea fan I think he's a fucking genius. Everything he does, he does with a goal in mind

@ the england guy bashing Chelsea, from the sound of it you won't change your mind so I'd suggest to stop posting because you're clearly of a 1 dimensional view, Did Drogba do much that game? Nope, but there's no one better in our team that holds the ball up, is a power house headerer, or defends in a striking class of his own. Did the game pan out to use him to full effect? No it didn't aside from the "free kick" but eh. Roberto said it best in the interview, we lacked the 2nd goal to kill the game off I don't blame us for not actively trying to 5-0 them We got 3 games in 6 days or something coming up not to mention the week after Barca, got to be some resting and rotation going on.

@ the portuguese guy I presume you're a benfica fan / portugal favoured guy so clearly you're going to be looking for a way to discredit the penalty much as if it was given to you I'd find a way to discredit it as well.
But you can't just clatter the ever living shit out of someone who has the ball.


Are you being serious? How much football do you follow? How is my view bashing Chelsea? Im Chelsea till i die, i was a season ticket holder 2 seasons ago until i couldnt get to the games no more. I go to Stamford bridge regular, i have been to 2 finals FA Cup vs Everton and Man utd champions league final in Russia. And your saying im "bashing" Chelsea WTF. Im saying what everyone is saying what is truthful. How you still see a 33 year old Drogba as any good is beyond me. This season he has been 120% worst than Torres has been, he has played 1 GOOD game vs Napoli a team who cannot defend to save there lives. He played vs Spurs in a MUST WIN GAME for 4th place and he was fkn shite, he can't be trusted to play in the important games anymore because if he doesn't turn up he just doesn't give anything to the team. We don't need him for freekicks anymore we have Mata who has hit the post like 3 times in his last 3 freekicks he has had. (Spurs Man Utd other 1 i forget). Drogba "holds the ball up" correct he does, but he didn't do anything like that last night for his 6 minutes he was on the pitch for. You have dream googles on i think and are way to much a fanboy of Drogba to see past anything wrong he does. I love Drogba and are hugely thankful for what he has given and done for Chelsea football club over his spell he has had here, but he is old now and like he is been doing needs to be drifted out of the Squad now, he has not been offered a new contract yet and there is huge reason as to why he has not gotten a new one. When Bosingwa Hilario and Kalou are all getting new contracts and Drogba isn't (mainly because he wants a 2 year deal and Chelsea only willing to give him a 1 year one) he has no place to stand no more, he is just going to have to be a squad player now and come on and do a job every now and then.


not bashing chelsea then, bashing drogba instead. sick ethic we got here at chelsea, drogba man you've done so fucking much for us since you arrived but, you're old and have had a bad game. we don't want you no more.
he's the most defensivly capable striker we've got, throwing him on is never a bad choice because no one heads more balls from corners than drogba / lampard combo and i've never seen someone waste time so efficiently as him.
drogba did good against napoli? lets ignore that because napoli are clearly a bad team that cant defend, the ignorance you show for someone who is "chelsea til they die" is unbelieveable.
and for the record, i went to russia as well, ontop of other finals and games frequently

@salteador he got a rib injury or something which is why cahill came on,

kalou was shocking though i will admit mata and ramiries looked so mad everytime he didn't just pass across goal


Your not getting my point. Drogba everytime he has been needed this he has gone MISSING. QPR game was the start, he played so poor then to top it off he did a stupid 2 foot tackle and lost us the game, we would of won that game with 10 men as we nearly equalised with 9. He had played 1 good game Drogba of old good game vs Napoli. When we needed him again vs Spurs he was abissmal, didnt turn up and didnt look like he wanted to play. Unlike Torres, who looks like he is trying his socks off everytime he is on the pitch regardless if he scores or not, its just totally different. Drogba has been fantastic for Chelsea, but what do you want us to do with him? Continue to pay him 120,000 a week to sit on the bench/come on and defend corners? Or do you want to let him go out on a high? Much like what Wenger did with Henry, Henry still regarded as Arsenal's greatest ever striker and is loved by everyone at the club. Like Drogba will always be, he has blue blood in him and he will always be a blue, but you cant play people when they are to old, time for change is what Chelsea need as you must know being a fan. Zola was the hardest player we have ever had to let go, but we did and we had good replacements with Hasslebaink and Gudjohnson. Time to do it with Drogba. Lamps defended like every corner alone without Drogba last night as well, so i stand by was stupid to bring him on.
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 14:03:46
April 05 2012 14:02 GMT
#5129
On April 05 2012 22:48 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 21:17 Salteador Neo wrote:
On April 05 2012 21:09 Ysellian wrote:
On April 05 2012 20:57 Salteador Neo wrote:
On April 05 2012 20:28 Telcontar wrote:
Say what you want about Jose, but he gets results, and that's all that matters in the end. You might point out the incredible transfer war chests he's had at Chelsea and now Madrid, but he also won the treble with Inter and Porto. Whatever you might think of his methods, it works. Also, some of his whining & mind games may seem overly obnoxious, but there's always some strategy behind it. He somehow always manages to channel it to his players.


Barça bitches about obvious stuff --> Huge shitstorm.
Mou bitches about everything, everyday --> Damn such a good strategist.

Guy keeps saying refs help barça and shit on madrid while every other team in spain knows it's the other way around.
No one really cares about not winning this Liga because it's been way too corrupted, so it's a win-win situation for barça no matter what.

PD: Oh wow I'm reading in the Sport that Terry may be injured? :o I missed the game yesterday because I was at some friends' place.

Both mourinho and barca whining is strategic.


Agree, but the reactions to both from the same people are quite different. That was the point.

Mourinho bothers me when he does it, but he's only one person and thus easier to ignore. It's also different when it isn't happening on the pitch and is happening (mostly) in press conferences. With Barcalona, bitching seems to be the team ethos.


because other teams dont pressure referees, Barca is the only team that does it. Maybe they yap at them seemingly more often, but thats just because they get fouled more and get more chances. Pretty sure its just that proportionality working to paint it as the team "ethos". Seriously, get over it. Barca is not any more guilty of it then anyone else. Maybe they shouldnt do it all, but everyone wants to win and people get tired of being kicked around after a while. Its their way of doing things wether you agree with it or not.

Mourinho is the only one who does it. So its ok, hes only the boss of his team and decides what everyone does and doesnt do on the pitch, no big deal.

When Guardiola is the only one who makes reasonable statements and doesnt make excuses for his clubs thats ignored . The consistency with which the double standard is imposed is mind boggling. Just let it go, everyone has their flaws.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
April 05 2012 14:02 GMT
#5130
On April 05 2012 20:57 Salteador Neo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 20:28 Telcontar wrote:
Say what you want about Jose, but he gets results, and that's all that matters in the end. You might point out the incredible transfer war chests he's had at Chelsea and now Madrid, but he also won the treble with Inter and Porto. Whatever you might think of his methods, it works. Also, some of his whining & mind games may seem overly obnoxious, but there's always some strategy behind it. He somehow always manages to channel it to his players.


Barça bitches about obvious stuff --> Huge shitstorm.
Mou bitches about everything, everyday --> Damn such a good strategist.

Guy keeps saying refs help barça and shit on madrid while every other team in spain knows it's the other way around.
No one really cares about not winning this Liga because it's been way too corrupted, so it's a win-win situation for barça no matter what.

PD: Oh wow I'm reading in the Sport that Terry may be injured? :o I missed the game yesterday because I was at some friends' place.

Even as a Barca fan, I find Mourinho's shenanigans amusing and highly entertaining. You just have to not take it so seriously. It only gets to you if you let it. And your comparison doesn't really work since you're comparing one man's actions to a team's. Barca players have been known to constantly bitch about their opponents not getting cards and surrounding the ref when decisions go against them (though they've been doing a lot less of that). That's different to a manager playing mind games and even just flatout whinging outside of games.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Enchanted
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1609 Posts
April 05 2012 14:07 GMT
#5131
On April 05 2012 23:02 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 22:48 Sated wrote:
On April 05 2012 21:17 Salteador Neo wrote:
On April 05 2012 21:09 Ysellian wrote:
On April 05 2012 20:57 Salteador Neo wrote:
On April 05 2012 20:28 Telcontar wrote:
Say what you want about Jose, but he gets results, and that's all that matters in the end. You might point out the incredible transfer war chests he's had at Chelsea and now Madrid, but he also won the treble with Inter and Porto. Whatever you might think of his methods, it works. Also, some of his whining & mind games may seem overly obnoxious, but there's always some strategy behind it. He somehow always manages to channel it to his players.


Barça bitches about obvious stuff --> Huge shitstorm.
Mou bitches about everything, everyday --> Damn such a good strategist.

Guy keeps saying refs help barça and shit on madrid while every other team in spain knows it's the other way around.
No one really cares about not winning this Liga because it's been way too corrupted, so it's a win-win situation for barça no matter what.

PD: Oh wow I'm reading in the Sport that Terry may be injured? :o I missed the game yesterday because I was at some friends' place.

Both mourinho and barca whining is strategic.


Agree, but the reactions to both from the same people are quite different. That was the point.

Mourinho bothers me when he does it, but he's only one person and thus easier to ignore. It's also different when it isn't happening on the pitch and is happening (mostly) in press conferences. With Barcalona, bitching seems to be the team ethos.


because other teams dont pressure referees, Barca is the only team that does it. Maybe they yap at them seemingly more often, but thats just because they get fouled more and get more chances. Pretty sure its just that proportionality working to paint it as the team "ethos". Seriously, get over it. Barca is not any more guilty of it then anyone else. Maybe they shouldnt do it all, but everyone wants to win and people get tired of being kicked around after a while. Its their way of doing things wether you agree with it or not.

Mourinho is the only one who does it. So its ok, hes only the boss of his team and decides what everyone does and doesnt do on the pitch, no big deal.

When Guardiola is the only one who makes reasonable statements and doesnt make excuses for his clubs thats ignored . The consistency with which the double standard is imposed is mind boggling. Just let it go, everyone has their flaws.

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2012/statistics/round=2000263/players/type=foulssuffered/index.html

Doesn't look like Barca players get fouled most :o
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 14:23:40
April 05 2012 14:19 GMT
#5132
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 16:15:45
April 05 2012 14:30 GMT
#5133
Yea I read it, and maybe I read too much into it. You say it bothers you, but justify his actions by saying they are easily ignored. Are you kidding me ? Dont play with semantics here. Its pretty clear what you mean unless you used your words poorly in which case I forgive you. Otherwise Dont back track and try to be clever its lame.

Id hardly call using the word double standard involving a venomous defense, and frankly nothing else I said comes even close. The double standard comment was with respect to coaches. Mourinho gets credit for being a dick, at the very least he isnt condemned (not that I think it bothers anyone at this point), because "even when it bothers people its easily ignored"

Guardiola gets practically none for being reasonable

I didnt say fouled, I said kicked around. Big difference. Maybe actually watching league games and such would provide you with more insight but I guess people have a hard time following it.

If its just fouls suffered and such im pretty sure people like Ronaldo would be topping the charts in the league. The amount of knocks and kicks they take and dont go down from (with the exception of Busquets) is pretty intangible and you have to be actually looking to notice, how much stuff they just skip over without complaining till they get fed up. Im not in the least suggesting that they dont know how to draw the referees attention to shit and maybe bend a decision in their favour. But they are not cheats, nor are they benefiting from some commandment from UEFA, or bias from referees when they need it. This theory can be blown apart just from instances already mentioned from the top of the head.
howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
April 05 2012 15:52 GMT
#5134
On April 05 2012 19:45 Sated wrote:
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On April 05 2012 07:32 bObaZ wrote:
On April 05 2012 04:49 Sated wrote:

IMO anyone (except maybe the captain) speaking to the referee should be automatically booked. That should be the rule. Just look at Rugby Union and how respectful the players in that game generally are.


Maxi Pereira is Benfica's captain, he still saw a yellow for talkin with the referee... Aimar saw a yellow for talking with the referee... I won't make excuses for Bruno Cesar cuz he was complaining a lot not just talking like the other two... So his yellow was deserved... And for you Chelsea Fans that say that it was a clear penalty, you must be out of your minds... it was a clear shoulder charge (i don't know how do you say it in english), and kalou wasn't strong enough to handle it... I would say it was at best a 50-50 Penalty... unlike the clear handball from terry in the first hand, where it was a 100% penalty.

It was a good game.. Benfica with 10 players was as good as chelsea with 11. We fell on our feet.

I know that, but wearing the armband doesn't give you free license to shout at the referee - a certain level of respect is still required. Surrounding the referee like Benfica did is abhorrent, I'm sick of seeing it.

I'm a Man United fan and I still think that it was a clear penalty. If you're running alongside someone and you lean into them with your shoulder (shoulder-to-shoulder) then that is perfectly legal as long as you're intending to play the ball. What the Benfica player did was not a shoulder-to-shoulder challenge; he ran straight into Kalou from quite a distance away with absolutely 0 intention of playing the ball. That is a shoulder charge, distinctive in that it ends up looking more like an ice-hockey body check than a football tackle.

Leaning into someone shoulder-to-shoulder is usually legal; sometimes given as a free-kick if it is too forceful.
Shoulder charges are almost always illegal.

The thing is Chelsea should also had more yellow cards than it did, especially Mata and Torres which shouted at the referee a lot of times and it never happened anything to them. It wasn't that the decisions against Benfica were wrong, it was that Chelsea players did a lot of the same stuff and nothing happened to them.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6277 Posts
April 05 2012 16:07 GMT
#5135
On April 05 2012 20:56 Ysellian wrote:
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On April 05 2012 20:33 Pandemona wrote:
On April 05 2012 20:30 mememolly wrote:
On April 05 2012 20:28 Telcontar wrote:
Say what you want about Jose, but he gets results, and that's all that matters in the end. You might point out the incredible transfer war chests he's had at Chelsea and now Madrid, but he also won the treble with Inter and Porto. Whatever you might think of his methods, it works. Also, some of his whining & mind games may seem overly obnoxious, but there's always some strategy behind it. He somehow always manages to channel it to his players.


Mourinho is pure entertainment, can't wait to see him back in the prem talking shit every week and not giving a fuck


Yeah i think the Premiership press are the only ones in the world who like Mourinho right? Everyone loved his stories every week in the Prem, he also had good relationships with most managers too.

Holland is probably 50/50. Wilfried de Jong a columnist in my newspaper loves mourinho and i feel many secretly love him. He bribgs character and extra drama. Im sure the uefa love him as well
It's just that cruyf despises him so not many people in Holland will admit it.


I love Mourinho and all his acts because I find it really funny. I think he's a terrible person to represent the sport and his club though. I can't imagine any sponsor of a club to be happy with such bad behaviour it's the reason I don't get why real didn't already fire him. He's basically destroying their name with the way he acts.
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2728 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 17:45:23
April 05 2012 17:11 GMT
#5136
On April 05 2012 20:56 Ysellian wrote:
It's just that cruyf despises him so not many people in Holland will admit it.


Cruyff really really hates Mourinho. He writes a weekly column in a sport spanish newspapper, and he always blames Mou xDDDD
Kotreb
Profile Joined June 2011
Croatia1392 Posts
April 05 2012 19:57 GMT
#5137
wooohoo, Valencia has taken a lead :D
If you don't sin Jesus died for nothing.
Enchanted
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1609 Posts
April 05 2012 20:04 GMT
#5138
If Mourinho wins the Spainish league and the Champions league this year won't that make him the only coach to have ever done it?
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
April 05 2012 20:10 GMT
#5139
On April 06 2012 05:04 Megatronn wrote:
If Mourinho wins the Spainish league and the Champions league this year won't that make him the only coach to have ever done it?

No? Guaridola did it just a year or two ago.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Enchanted
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1609 Posts
April 05 2012 20:14 GMT
#5140
On April 06 2012 05:10 Holgerius wrote:
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On April 06 2012 05:04 Megatronn wrote:
If Mourinho wins the Spainish league and the Champions league this year won't that make him the only coach to have ever done it?

No? Guaridola did it just a year or two ago.

I worded my question wrong, oops. I meant to have won the English, Italian and Spanish leagues and win a champions league with 3 different teams from 3 different countries. Apparently I can't focus on typing when i'm watching football rofl.
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