EPT2011-2012 football (soccer) thread - Page 256
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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On April 05 2012 06:12 TranceStorm wrote: Honestly, for the past two days I've seen you moan at every opportunity. The Drogba substitution made perfect sense - he is more defensively capable than Torres is and is more willing to drop back in those critical situations (very much like he did at the end of the Napoli game). Putting Essien in place of Torres would have relieved all pressure on Benfica - they could simply pass around in the back looking for an opening. And he can hold the ball up like a boss. Honestly the first break where the foul got called Drogba didnt really do much wrong. It was a good swap. Essien is nowhere near as good as Drogba in the air, and its not exactly like there was 'a midfield' to sure up with Chelsea defending as deep as they were in the late stage. I dont think that Benfica really had the luxury of passing it around. They were pretty direct and for that sort of situation and the ball breaking Drogba is an ideal sub. Kalou ill agree is just bad, I love Sturridge and he just doesnt get the playing time he's shown he deserves imo. But maybe its something tactical I dont get. But if you can play Torress like that with him dropping to the right and Kalou because he got a tap in last game, Id take Sturridge any day. | ||
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bObaZ
Portugal862 Posts
On April 05 2012 04:49 Sated wrote: IMO anyone (except maybe the captain) speaking to the referee should be automatically booked. That should be the rule. Just look at Rugby Union and how respectful the players in that game generally are. Maxi Pereira is Benfica's captain, he still saw a yellow for talkin with the referee... Aimar saw a yellow for talking with the referee... I won't make excuses for Bruno Cesar cuz he was complaining a lot not just talking like the other two... So his yellow was deserved... And for you Chelsea Fans that say that it was a clear penalty, you must be out of your minds... it was a clear shoulder charge (i don't know how do you say it in english), and kalou wasn't strong enough to handle it... I would say it was at best a 50-50 Penalty... unlike the clear handball from terry in the first hand, where it was a 100% penalty. It was a good game.. Benfica with 10 players was as good as chelsea with 11. We fell on our feet. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On April 05 2012 06:37 Rebs wrote: And he can hold the ball up like a boss. Honestly the first break where the foul got called Drogba didnt really do much wrong. It was a good swap. Essien is nowhere near as good as Drogba in the air, and its not exactly like there was 'a midfield' to sure up with Chelsea defending as deep as they were in the late stage. I dont think that Benfica really had the luxury of passing it around. They were pretty direct and for that sort of situation and the ball breaking Drogba is an ideal sub. Kalou ill agree is just bad, I love Sturridge and he just doesnt get the playing time he's shown he deserves imo. But maybe its something tactical I dont get. But if you can play Torress like that with him dropping to the right and Kalou because he got a tap in last game, Id take Sturridge any day. Serious!? Drogba has been poor since his "amazing" performance vs Napoli at home, hense he has not played. He came on for 5minutes vs Benfica and didn't do anything. Didn't head the ball, didn't control the ball, didn't help defend. He did nothing, taking Torres off was fine, to bring on Drogba for him was just stupid. Drogba has no pace, so counter attacking with him was silly because thats all the striker would be doing in that situation. Essien can play CB, so why not bring Essien on for Torres tell him to go play CB along side Cahill and Luiz, or even say go and kick Aimar for the last 5minutes of a game. Not to bring Drogba on who actually did nothing. On the counter for the 2nd goal for Chelsea on the night Drogba was no where to be seen, was Ramires and Kalou in support. The Kalou i was a tiny bit harsh but thats because he is like that all the time which annoys me. He is an amazing sub, under Mourinho he always used to come on and grab us a goal in the last 20minutes or so, but whenever he would start a game he would be "poor" in a way like he was last night. He gets the ball in great positions he gets himself into but it just doesn't end well, either miss control or a bad pass or a poor shot. He did it plenty of times. Sturridge could of gave us nice pace and width for even more counter attacking options. Also i didn't complain about the JT sub, he will be feeling the pace more and more because of how many games he has played but we play Wigan the weekend before a trip to Fulham so he can be rested vs Wigan. | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
He added: "Let me be honest, I don't think the final will be a Real Madrid/Chelsea final. It could be Bayern or Barcelona, I just don't think it will be Real Madrid v Chelsea and we know why." | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On April 05 2012 18:16 Ysellian wrote: Am I reading too much into this or is Mourinho indirectly taking a jab at the UEFA? He added: "Let me be honest, I don't think the final will be a Real Madrid/Chelsea final. It could be Bayern or Barcelona, I just don't think it will be Real Madrid v Chelsea and we know why." I was going add that i didn't think/hear him say "we know why" bit though. I just thought he was saying it because he doesn't think Chelsea can make it to the final. Love Mourinho still though <3 Real vs Chelsea final would be Epic just because of Mourinho vs Chelsea. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
It's ridiculously unprofessional. He could learn a thing or two from Guardiola who for example only pointed out the good parts of Ibrahimovic when asked his opinion on the man who basically ranted an entire chapter of his book about Guardiola. | ||
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Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
On April 05 2012 06:05 Rebs wrote: Everyone does it, I could make the arguement that they get kicked around more so they act a bit more. Stop kicking and fouling them so much and play a cleaner game and maybe they wouldnt feel compelled to do it. Everyone is human and no one likes to get knocked around so yea. The president is responsible for everyone in his country, and its a position of responsibility someone actively strives for I dont see why how Barca are responsible for anyone except their club and their fans at best. They dont ask anyone to appoint themselves representative in chief for football, other people place the label. Thats not a loose example, thats a bad one that doesnt work. Its pretty illusory actually all teams have players that act a fair amount. Hell start compiling it week in week out in the EPL and youll run out of space to put film in. Some players like Busquets or Alvez are exceptions who you can argue do it a bit more in high profile games.. but can you really suggest that anyone else falls like a pack of cards every time they get touched. Nope sorry, your extending the reputation of individuals to a team. Heck for the amount of times they get kicked around and just taking raw foul counts into account, I cant say I blame anyone for at best trying to garner some sympathy or buy time to recup. Lets treat Barca like they are self appointed Prophets who should be completely infallible. Ludicrous. I can see where your coming from and I can see that its wrong. But yeah to each his own. You really missed the whole "president" analogy, haven't you? Let's put it this way, do you believe that person/team who has millions of fans worldwide (not talking about barca atm) should act more responsibly and set an example to kids/their fanes etc or they should just trash everything and go on a rampage? I'm not saying they should be considered prophets or anything like that, but i do think that they should act better than some teams. And nice arrogance. Everyone who think differently than you are wrong? It's funny even Ibra went on with the play,. You claim that was a clear as day penalty and not the busquets shirt grabbing. Thats what im saying about turning a blind eye against conveniently. That's what its annoying. Btw your article doesn't mention all the calls against them, very unbiased article you posted, but then again kids nowadays read and take everything as a fact without researching/ looking at both sides of the story or actually watching the games. I see goal.com is your football site of choice. You might had missed this. http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2012/04/04/3012311/dont-just-blame-the-referee-here-are-the-other-reasons-ac http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2012/04/04/3012338/enough-of-the-conspiracy-talk-it-takes-more-than-luck-t Also a good read http://www.theroar.com.au/2011/04/29/debunking-the-barcelona-conspiracy/ Edit: It's really a waste of time, the double standards are hilarious. I haven't missed these. I've read them and the reason i haven't included them because i've never claimed that barca didn't deserved to pass after both of Milan games. Check my previous posts and feel free to prove me wrong. That article doesn't mention calls against them, it serves to purpose of proving otherwise to the "anti-barca rhetoric" someone posted. And yes, i'm claiming that was penalty because ball was out of play during the shirt grabbing/puyol pushing. Check the regulations, corner should've been stopped and resumed after the situation has been dealt with. It's funny how you proclaimed that i was the kid here while you failed to see what i was trying to say, which was a bit obvious. That's arrogant. | ||
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Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
On April 05 2012 18:44 Twisted wrote: Mourinho is a fucking retard anyway, why would anyone listen to anything the mental patient has to say. All he aims for in life is to cause an uproar. It's ridiculously unprofessional. He could learn a thing or two from Guardiola who for example only pointed out the good parts of Ibrahimovic when asked his opinion on the man who basically ranted an entire chapter of his book about Guardiola. I wouldn't call him retarded. He perfectly knows what he's doing and he does it on purpose. He's a great strategist, but his media appearance cold be toned down a bit. But than again it's all his little mind games plan. I think it just comes to the personal preference do you like him or not. | ||
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On April 05 2012 19:04 Kotreb wrote: I wouldn't call him retarded. He perfectly knows what he's doing and he does it on purpose. He's a great strategist, but his media appearance cold be toned down a bit. But than again it's all his little mind games plan. I think it just comes to the personal preference do you like him or not. As a Chelsea fan I think he's a fucking genius. Everything he does, he does with a goal in mind @ the england guy bashing Chelsea, from the sound of it you won't change your mind so I'd suggest to stop posting because you're clearly of a 1 dimensional view, Did Drogba do much that game? Nope, but there's no one better in our team that holds the ball up, is a power house headerer, or defends in a striking class of his own. Did the game pan out to use him to full effect? No it didn't aside from the "free kick" but eh. Roberto said it best in the interview, we lacked the 2nd goal to kill the game off I don't blame us for not actively trying to 5-0 them We got 3 games in 6 days or something coming up not to mention the week after Barca, got to be some resting and rotation going on. @ the portuguese guy I presume you're a benfica fan / portugal favoured guy so clearly you're going to be looking for a way to discredit the penalty much as if it was given to you I'd find a way to discredit it as well. But you can't just clatter the ever living shit out of someone who has the ball. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On April 05 2012 19:23 Tazza wrote: Wait, so how do these Champions League draws work? It seems like they're random and fixed at the same time. Like last year, everyone thought Barca would play Real in semis and this year it seems everyone knows that its barca vs chelsea and real vs bayern. How the heck do they work? Round of 32 is group stage drawn with seeds and no more than 1 country in each group of 4 teams. Round of 16 is still country protecetd, but also seeded by 1st of groups only play teams who finished second. Round of 8 is anything goes draw, but they also draw the semi final draw at the same time. Ill describe this years draw for you see if you can follow it; Round of 8; APOEL vs Real Madrid QF1 Marsielle vs Bayern Munich QF2 Milan vs Barcelona QF3 Benfica vs Chelsea QF4 Semi Final; QF2 vs QF1 (Bayern vs Real) QF4 VS QF3 (Chelsea vs Barcelona) That draw was done before the Quarter final ties took place. On April 05 2012 19:27 Denzil wrote: As a Chelsea fan I think he's a fucking genius. Everything he does, he does with a goal in mind @ the england guy bashing Chelsea, from the sound of it you won't change your mind so I'd suggest to stop posting because you're clearly of a 1 dimensional view, Did Drogba do much that game? Nope, but there's no one better in our team that holds the ball up, is a power house headerer, or defends in a striking class of his own. Did the game pan out to use him to full effect? No it didn't aside from the "free kick" but eh. Roberto said it best in the interview, we lacked the 2nd goal to kill the game off I don't blame us for not actively trying to 5-0 them We got 3 games in 6 days or something coming up not to mention the week after Barca, got to be some resting and rotation going on. @ the portuguese guy I presume you're a benfica fan / portugal favoured guy so clearly you're going to be looking for a way to discredit the penalty much as if it was given to you I'd find a way to discredit it as well. But you can't just clatter the ever living shit out of someone who has the ball. Are you being serious? How much football do you follow? How is my view bashing Chelsea? Im Chelsea till i die, i was a season ticket holder 2 seasons ago until i couldnt get to the games no more. I go to Stamford bridge regular, i have been to 2 finals FA Cup vs Everton and Man utd champions league final in Russia. And your saying im "bashing" Chelsea WTF. Im saying what everyone is saying what is truthful. How you still see a 33 year old Drogba as any good is beyond me. This season he has been 120% worst than Torres has been, he has played 1 GOOD game vs Napoli a team who cannot defend to save there lives. He played vs Spurs in a MUST WIN GAME for 4th place and he was fkn shite, he can't be trusted to play in the important games anymore because if he doesn't turn up he just doesn't give anything to the team. We don't need him for freekicks anymore we have Mata who has hit the post like 3 times in his last 3 freekicks he has had. (Spurs Man Utd other 1 i forget). Drogba "holds the ball up" correct he does, but he didn't do anything like that last night for his 6 minutes he was on the pitch for. You have dream googles on i think and are way to much a fanboy of Drogba to see past anything wrong he does. I love Drogba and are hugely thankful for what he has given and done for Chelsea football club over his spell he has had here, but he is old now and like he is been doing needs to be drifted out of the Squad now, he has not been offered a new contract yet and there is huge reason as to why he has not gotten a new one. When Bosingwa Hilario and Kalou are all getting new contracts and Drogba isn't (mainly because he wants a 2 year deal and Chelsea only willing to give him a 1 year one) he has no place to stand no more, he is just going to have to be a squad player now and come on and do a job every now and then. | ||
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Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
EDIT: pandemona illustrated it better than me. | ||
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On April 05 2012 20:28 Telcontar wrote: Say what you want about Jose, but he gets results, and that's all that matters in the end. You might point out the incredible transfer war chests he's had at Chelsea and now Madrid, but he also won the treble with Inter and Porto. Whatever you might think of his methods, it works. Also, some of his whining & mind games may seem overly obnoxious, but there's always some strategy behind it. He somehow always manages to channel it to his players. Mourinho is pure entertainment, can't wait to see him back in the prem talking shit every week and not giving a fuck | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On April 05 2012 20:30 mememolly wrote: Mourinho is pure entertainment, can't wait to see him back in the prem talking shit every week and not giving a fuck Yeah i think the Premiership press are the only ones in the world who like Mourinho right? Everyone loved his stories every week in the Prem, he also had good relationships with most managers too. | ||
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