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2011-2012 football (soccer) thread - Page 206
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soujiro_
Uruguay5195 Posts
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Rixi
Spain77 Posts
valencia 4 psv 2 atlético de madrid 3 besiktas 1 I guess la liga doesn't have only two teams. and everyone i know takes way more pride in winning the WC than CL. and i see in tv that players rly care about their national teams | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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LogaiN
Sweden1073 Posts
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:07 LogaiN wrote: Thing is, Barcelona and Madrid are on a different level compared to other teams today. It would look the same if they played in the PL/Bundesliga/Serie-A. Trust me. in the EPL they would be near the top but its tough going to places like Stoke, Fulham et al on a wet shitty afternoon and trying to get a result, its not like playing in spain and winning 5-0 every week | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:50 Sated wrote: It makes it a better league because the games aren't a joke. I'm not talking about quality of football, I'm talking about how exciting the league is. It might not make sense to you, but some people wanna watch games that are competitive - they don't wanna watch a bunch of walkovers. Would you rather watch a tournament with MC and HuK against 14 Bronze-Leaguers or a tournament with 16 mid-range pros? That's the difference between the EPL/Bundesliga/other European leagues and the Spanish/Scottish leagues. Garbage analogy, those 2 teams make everyone they play look bad as things are at the moment, so if your saying the team playing the champions league final was a bronze leaguer and made to look like a Joke for 75 mins, I dont know what to say.. Im certainly not suggesting Spain is a more entertaining league to follow. Absolutely not. England maintains the best balance of high level fooball and the potential for an interesting competitive title race. But to suggest that the teams in spain are bad because Barca and Real are just that good is ignorance And that has clearly come to the fore today, atleast it wasnt surprising to me. Irrespective of how the tie with Man U ends they have acquitted themselves well enough. Ive seen the likes of Bilbao and Atleti (and even weaker teams like Betis) play and boy can they play. Even garbage leagues can be competitive you know like 14 bronze leaguers playing each other. If your interests are vested even that can be entertaining. Even the MLS can be entertaining. That does not mean however that the teams in the league with 2 dominant ones are worse than the good teams in the more competitive league. Oooh premier league so close so many title contenders. Run through the fixtures and the points tables the last 5-6 years. 2 horse races with others Flattering to deceive, simply because of the names in most cases. The performances were found wanting (and that gets excused as English lower level teams being good rather than admitting your top clubs arent winning games they should be.) Last year to me was the epitome of that, Man U got handed the title. They were effectively the team that fucked up the least. Unless your going to tell me the points Arsenal and Chelsea dropped were totally justified and had nothing to do with them playing god aweful. And its the same case the years prior with varying degree. Only in limited instances were those teams playing a lower half club that actually played their socks of on a day. It was just a drop in level that shouldnt happen to elite clubs with the players and resources at their disposal. The top 5 or 6 in England simply have more pedigree with respect to the last decade (aside from Liverpool who go farther back and are still riding it internationally)and sadly thats as far as peoples memory goes. Hell Spurs were in the relegation zone not long ago. Just because teams in Spain have not been as good in the recent past doesnt mean they cant be now. That was my point the Bilbaos and Atletis of Spain are just as good if not better than an Arsenal or a Chelsea and certainly better than your Newcastles and Stoke. TL;DR No Spain is not an exciting league. And for a while neither was England, unless you dont want to admit that it took Roman and Mansour and John Henry to make it so. Infact in those days. Spain had the likes of Valencia and Depo schooling Real and Barca, this is barely 10 years ago. Lots of excitement. Its cyclical thats all, and the fact that the EPL is well.... in English makes it an auto win for marketability, which is why so much money gets thrown at it. I promise you if cable and satellite hadnt boomed in the rest of the world no owner would have given a shit, doesnt matter how much they love football. Maybe Roman, still to me he was just ahead of the curve, it would be naive to not realise these were the major factors. Only Real and Barca were able to compete with that. Italy got hit by Calcio and Germany is still just chilling (although Germany has been exceptionally frugal and done a great job) | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
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Lyter
United Kingdom2145 Posts
But I get the strongest sense of this feeling when the CL rolls around. I'm a Birmingham fan, but I have always liked Man Utd and essentially chose them as the team I want to win the big stuff, and it is damn rare that when the knockout stage comes around (and even sometimes the group stage) I am not worried for them. To me, the EPL overachieves most years in international competition, on paper last year Man Utd were not a league-winning side, and certainly not CL-final quality. But they made it that far and I think that goes to show what a a good mentality and drive can do. Yes, there are years when there is not doubt in my mind they have one of the strongest sides (when CR was around), but at the moment there is definitely a transitional phase underway, the same I feel is happening at both Chelsea and Arsenal, and I feel in 2-3 years we'll be seeing all 3 teams looking much stronger than they are right now. I don't really get that sense from Real/Barca, every year for a while now it has been pointless to look past those 2 as the strongest sides, and I feel they have been comfortable favourites in almost everything in recent years, that doesn't mean they can't disappoint though. | ||
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
Real have the best attack in the world, Barca the best game and best playmakers, plus Messi. And both have the 2 best coaches right now. Edit: I agree that EPL is much more fun that the BBVA, prolly the most interesting of the top leagues. | ||
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Rixi
Spain77 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:46 Sated wrote: Look at your league table. One result doesn't change the fact that there are only two teams in Spain. Real Madrid and Barça are way ahead of everyone else but what you fail to see is that the rest are ahead too, just not that much. | ||
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
Also, just because a league is more competitive does not mean its better. If u watch college football, the SEC was pretty much a two horse race this year with bama and lsu. The acc though, was really competitive, but overall there was a huge lack of skill. Epl might not have one team advance past the second round of cl or Europa league. If real and barca were in any other league, they would win by at least 10 points. And yes epl is more physical, but i think it's been Proven that technique>physique. | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
Shows the different in english league and europeans refs.. I think that is the downfall for English teams they play too physical and give away a lot of fouls compared to european teams. That trying to to be so physical they dont play anywhere near like they do the EPL. Also why on earth does ferguson decide to play in europe with 1. Ferdinand(most experienced defender and captain?) on the bench. 2. No central midfielder (Jones is NOT a centre midfielder) Park sung runs but doesnt doa nything and Giggs who is a makeshift centre midfielder. 3. Also playing Jonny evans who is consistently bad.... Goal 1 happened because Jones playign out of position didnt know if he should follow Liorente into the box and he didnt eh stayed out and he had a free header pretty much Goal 2 was offside but still man utd could of watched him better but still a great finish Goal 3 well im not even sure to know where to start the fact that its apparently a freekick if you interfere in play when losing your boot(Messi scored in the champions league final with a header vs man utd with his boot in his hand? lol) or the fact that Rafael was too busy admiring Bilbao break and de gea great save to not even try to follow it in and clear the ball lol. | ||
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Rixi
Spain77 Posts
On March 09 2012 19:36 Sated wrote: It doesn't matter how good the other teams are if the competition is a farce. There are only two teams in Spain just like there are only two teams in Scotland - two different leagues in terms of skill, but both as uninteresting and dull as each other. Im not talking about how interesting the league is . you said spain only have two teams and thats a lie just because 2 of the teams are way better than the rest doesn't mean that in a european scale or world scale the other teams doesn't mather. La liga isn't everything there is . | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6257 Posts
On March 09 2012 23:44 Sated wrote: You're taking what I said out of context. I am speaking strictly about the Spanish league when I say that there are only two teams in Spain. I'm not naive enough to think that top European leagues don't have teams capable of taking points off teams in other top European leagues. You can say the same thing about the EPL with Chelsea and United they've won the league the last couple of years like barca and real did. City is only coming in between because of 100's of millions being pumped into it. | ||
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