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Yeah well, United have been so shit recently. I can't believe they have actually managed to maintain their place in the league. No nani or valencia right now, no surprises they are being challenged by bilbao who work really hard. I can't believe they beat tottenham. If this match goes any way like the rest of the utd games, bilbao will get another goal, 2-1, then man utd will get 2 goals in the last 2 minutes lol.
PS can't believe people are even considering that the CL is more vaunted a competition than the mighty WC. OBVIOUSLY, literally OBVIOUSLY it's the WC. It makes national heroes. It's the biggest world sporting event aside from the olympics.
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Is surprising, how unused is MU to play aganist such pressure.
Bielsa Atheltic is so offensive, i love it ^^
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United learning about the Basque Heart. I love those away shirts of Bilbao.
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I love how some people simply refuse to admit that teams in Spain not called Barcelona or Real Madrid can play better football than a stoke city. Apparantly theres a wealth of talent all the way down to Wigan and spanish teams suck. I doubt any of them even watch anything outside the EPl and the odd classico or italian derby.
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On March 09 2012 03:00 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 02:42 mememolly wrote:On March 09 2012 02:01 Maenander wrote:On March 08 2012 23:01 mememolly wrote:On March 08 2012 20:58 Pandemona wrote:On March 08 2012 20:44 mememolly wrote:
the game was slower and players smoked and shit in pele's day, sure he was amazing for his time, but the game has evolved and messi would be like a super god if he played in pele's day and I doubt the pele of old would get far in today's game and its stupid to compare, but anyone who knows what they are talking about can see that messi is the best footballer ever, shame he'll never play in the EPL though Your basing that on theories! No one knows if Pele would ring circles around players of this day because its impossible to tell. I for one think if the 1st Division English teams from the 70s/80s player that of todays Premiership teams i would say Nottingham Forest Liverpool Everton Man Utd would be running circles round the Man Utd Chelsea Man City Arsenal of today due to muscles alone! But technically i think Pele and Maradonna are far far greater in there careers IN TOTAL than Messi right now, not to say Messi might not out do them, but Argentina have been woeful in world cups all through out the 00s and 2010s so far. I don't think he is anywhere near Pele's level internationally etiher on paper you have to agree with that, 4 world cups attended 3 tropheys bought home, Maradonna 1 world cup in the 3 he turned up too and he had awful players around him. I think Messi's underachievement at international level compared with Pele's is more to do with the fact that international football isn't taken as seriously anymore, it is often at the end of a long ass season where players are tired as fuck whereas back in the day they didn't play 60+ games in a year, Mouriniho said himself that the WC is second to the champions league. Messi performs at the highest level there is now, that is champions league football. International football is taken very seriously, especially in Argentina o_O And a club like Leverkusen is certainly not at the level of the top national football teams... In europe the interest in international football is waning, you ask any fan on the terraces if they would want to win the league or champions or for their country to win the world cup and most will say the former You sure about that? Personally i can't name a single person who prefers a CL win over the world cup
come to england and sit on the terraces mate, everyone here will tell you international football is dead, people are fed up with 6 million being paid to the manager to only fail every 2 years and and how all the players get injured etc playing needless friendlies
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On March 09 2012 06:28 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 03:00 RvB wrote:On March 09 2012 02:42 mememolly wrote:On March 09 2012 02:01 Maenander wrote:On March 08 2012 23:01 mememolly wrote:On March 08 2012 20:58 Pandemona wrote:On March 08 2012 20:44 mememolly wrote:
the game was slower and players smoked and shit in pele's day, sure he was amazing for his time, but the game has evolved and messi would be like a super god if he played in pele's day and I doubt the pele of old would get far in today's game and its stupid to compare, but anyone who knows what they are talking about can see that messi is the best footballer ever, shame he'll never play in the EPL though Your basing that on theories! No one knows if Pele would ring circles around players of this day because its impossible to tell. I for one think if the 1st Division English teams from the 70s/80s player that of todays Premiership teams i would say Nottingham Forest Liverpool Everton Man Utd would be running circles round the Man Utd Chelsea Man City Arsenal of today due to muscles alone! But technically i think Pele and Maradonna are far far greater in there careers IN TOTAL than Messi right now, not to say Messi might not out do them, but Argentina have been woeful in world cups all through out the 00s and 2010s so far. I don't think he is anywhere near Pele's level internationally etiher on paper you have to agree with that, 4 world cups attended 3 tropheys bought home, Maradonna 1 world cup in the 3 he turned up too and he had awful players around him. I think Messi's underachievement at international level compared with Pele's is more to do with the fact that international football isn't taken as seriously anymore, it is often at the end of a long ass season where players are tired as fuck whereas back in the day they didn't play 60+ games in a year, Mouriniho said himself that the WC is second to the champions league. Messi performs at the highest level there is now, that is champions league football. International football is taken very seriously, especially in Argentina o_O And a club like Leverkusen is certainly not at the level of the top national football teams... In europe the interest in international football is waning, you ask any fan on the terraces if they would want to win the league or champions or for their country to win the world cup and most will say the former You sure about that? Personally i can't name a single person who prefers a CL win over the world cup come to england and sit on the terraces mate, everyone here will tell you international football is dead, people are fed up with 6 million being paid to the manager to only fail every 2 years and and how all the players get injured etc playing needless friendlies
Just because the English hate international Football doesn't mean everyone else does, wtf?
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Ofc the english hate the international scene. rofl
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On March 09 2012 03:39 Maenander wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 03:12 Holgerius wrote:Totti has said he'd think winning CL with Roma would be bigger to him than winning the WC with Italy, but he's a special case.  Most players would indeed choose the WC over CL, hands down. Did you recover from the derby defeat yet? A good season for Lazio And I really like Totti but I can't help rooting for Klose. I don't even like Lazio 
I've been working so hard since last thursday I haven't had time to be sad about it yet.
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On March 09 2012 06:30 Megatronn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 06:28 mememolly wrote:On March 09 2012 03:00 RvB wrote:On March 09 2012 02:42 mememolly wrote:On March 09 2012 02:01 Maenander wrote:On March 08 2012 23:01 mememolly wrote:On March 08 2012 20:58 Pandemona wrote:On March 08 2012 20:44 mememolly wrote:
the game was slower and players smoked and shit in pele's day, sure he was amazing for his time, but the game has evolved and messi would be like a super god if he played in pele's day and I doubt the pele of old would get far in today's game and its stupid to compare, but anyone who knows what they are talking about can see that messi is the best footballer ever, shame he'll never play in the EPL though Your basing that on theories! No one knows if Pele would ring circles around players of this day because its impossible to tell. I for one think if the 1st Division English teams from the 70s/80s player that of todays Premiership teams i would say Nottingham Forest Liverpool Everton Man Utd would be running circles round the Man Utd Chelsea Man City Arsenal of today due to muscles alone! But technically i think Pele and Maradonna are far far greater in there careers IN TOTAL than Messi right now, not to say Messi might not out do them, but Argentina have been woeful in world cups all through out the 00s and 2010s so far. I don't think he is anywhere near Pele's level internationally etiher on paper you have to agree with that, 4 world cups attended 3 tropheys bought home, Maradonna 1 world cup in the 3 he turned up too and he had awful players around him. I think Messi's underachievement at international level compared with Pele's is more to do with the fact that international football isn't taken as seriously anymore, it is often at the end of a long ass season where players are tired as fuck whereas back in the day they didn't play 60+ games in a year, Mouriniho said himself that the WC is second to the champions league. Messi performs at the highest level there is now, that is champions league football. International football is taken very seriously, especially in Argentina o_O And a club like Leverkusen is certainly not at the level of the top national football teams... In europe the interest in international football is waning, you ask any fan on the terraces if they would want to win the league or champions or for their country to win the world cup and most will say the former You sure about that? Personally i can't name a single person who prefers a CL win over the world cup come to england and sit on the terraces mate, everyone here will tell you international football is dead, people are fed up with 6 million being paid to the manager to only fail every 2 years and and how all the players get injured etc playing needless friendlies Just because the English hate international Football doesn't mean everyone else does, wtf?
a lot of the top european managers and players have said that the champions league is the best competition in the world and the WC means less nowadays, I never said other nations hate it, so calm down, my point was that international football has dwindled in prestige with the rise of the champions league and the relentless nature of domestic fixtures
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On March 09 2012 06:34 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 06:30 Megatronn wrote:On March 09 2012 06:28 mememolly wrote:On March 09 2012 03:00 RvB wrote:On March 09 2012 02:42 mememolly wrote:On March 09 2012 02:01 Maenander wrote:On March 08 2012 23:01 mememolly wrote:On March 08 2012 20:58 Pandemona wrote:On March 08 2012 20:44 mememolly wrote:
the game was slower and players smoked and shit in pele's day, sure he was amazing for his time, but the game has evolved and messi would be like a super god if he played in pele's day and I doubt the pele of old would get far in today's game and its stupid to compare, but anyone who knows what they are talking about can see that messi is the best footballer ever, shame he'll never play in the EPL though Your basing that on theories! No one knows if Pele would ring circles around players of this day because its impossible to tell. I for one think if the 1st Division English teams from the 70s/80s player that of todays Premiership teams i would say Nottingham Forest Liverpool Everton Man Utd would be running circles round the Man Utd Chelsea Man City Arsenal of today due to muscles alone! But technically i think Pele and Maradonna are far far greater in there careers IN TOTAL than Messi right now, not to say Messi might not out do them, but Argentina have been woeful in world cups all through out the 00s and 2010s so far. I don't think he is anywhere near Pele's level internationally etiher on paper you have to agree with that, 4 world cups attended 3 tropheys bought home, Maradonna 1 world cup in the 3 he turned up too and he had awful players around him. I think Messi's underachievement at international level compared with Pele's is more to do with the fact that international football isn't taken as seriously anymore, it is often at the end of a long ass season where players are tired as fuck whereas back in the day they didn't play 60+ games in a year, Mouriniho said himself that the WC is second to the champions league. Messi performs at the highest level there is now, that is champions league football. International football is taken very seriously, especially in Argentina o_O And a club like Leverkusen is certainly not at the level of the top national football teams... In europe the interest in international football is waning, you ask any fan on the terraces if they would want to win the league or champions or for their country to win the world cup and most will say the former You sure about that? Personally i can't name a single person who prefers a CL win over the world cup come to england and sit on the terraces mate, everyone here will tell you international football is dead, people are fed up with 6 million being paid to the manager to only fail every 2 years and and how all the players get injured etc playing needless friendlies Just because the English hate international Football doesn't mean everyone else does, wtf? a lot of the top european managers and players have said that the champions league is the best competition in the world and the WC means less nowadays, I never said other nations hate it, so calm down, my point was that international football has dwindled in prestige with the rise of the champions league and the relentless nature of domestic fixtures
It looks like most players take playing for their Country in the WC much more seriously but to each his own I guess.
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Anybody listening to Don Garber, MLS Commissioner, live Conference call right now.
Don Garber acknowledging MLS has taken the lead working with New York City to develop stadium plan for potential ownership groups.
Don Garber says private equity firm Providence Equity has taken an undisclosed stake in SUM (Soccer United Marketing).
MLS commissioner Don Garber said don't expect quality of refereeing to change overnight with the new program: "It's a long-term process."
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oh my gosh what a battering...man utd have been playing like a championship side with some of their passing.
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when will fergie wake up, you're lucky to be 2nd in the league and garbage in europe, even blackburn done you at home
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23? shots by bilbao lol
well deserved win! congrats!
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wow english football downfall? Manchester united taken down home, by primera divisions 5th team Athelic Bilbao. There is so much to discuss about the 2 leagues side by side. what a win for football overall <3. holy crap hahah it's manchester united on home soil! European football metagame change after 12 years? bilbao might as well be able to compete in champions league with that spanish finnesse attacking forward football?!. LOVELY
A dominating spanish night in Europa League overall
Atletico Madrid 3 - 1 Besiktas
Manchester U. 2 - 3 Athletic Bilbao
Valencia 4 - 2 PSV Eindhoven
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Spanish teams are not that bad, maybe overall the league is not as good as premiere. But Valencia, bilbao, sevilla, villareal, athetico, espanyol, etc this last years are teams that could compete in the premiere.
Its only that madrid and barcelona make them look worst, but i think spanish league is the best after premiere.
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On March 09 2012 02:25 RealQ wrote:
1. England
2. Spain
3. Italy
4. Germany
5. France
6. Portugal
7. Russia
8. Netherlands
9. Ukraine
these are the biggest leagues in europe. from 9. and so on it becomes pretty bad.
sorry but germany is CLEARY in front of Italy. Just look at the official uefa ranking:
1. England 82.535
2. Spain 76.757
3. Germany 71.852
4. Italy 59.124
Germany is 5 points behind Spain, but 12 points in front of Italy
Source: http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/index.html
and Ukraine is in front of Netherlands.
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