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sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 21:08:35
March 08 2012 21:05 GMT
#4081
Yeah well, United have been so shit recently. I can't believe they have actually managed to maintain their place in the league. No nani or valencia right now, no surprises they are being challenged by bilbao who work really hard. I can't believe they beat tottenham. If this match goes any way like the rest of the utd games, bilbao will get another goal, 2-1, then man utd will get 2 goals in the last 2 minutes lol.

PS can't believe people are even considering that the CL is more vaunted a competition than the mighty WC. OBVIOUSLY, literally OBVIOUSLY it's the WC. It makes national heroes. It's the biggest world sporting event aside from the olympics.
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
March 08 2012 21:10 GMT
#4082
Is surprising, how unused is MU to play aganist such pressure.
Bielsa Atheltic is so offensive, i love it ^^
Chicken gank op
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
March 08 2012 21:22 GMT
#4083
United learning about the Basque Heart. I love those away shirts of Bilbao.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 21:33:37
March 08 2012 21:26 GMT
#4084
I love how some people simply refuse to admit that teams in Spain not called Barcelona or Real Madrid can play better football than a stoke city. Apparantly theres a wealth of talent all the way down to Wigan and spanish teams suck. I doubt any of them even watch anything outside the EPl and the odd classico or italian derby.
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
March 08 2012 21:28 GMT
#4085
On March 09 2012 03:00 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 02:42 mememolly wrote:
On March 09 2012 02:01 Maenander wrote:
On March 08 2012 23:01 mememolly wrote:
On March 08 2012 20:58 Pandemona wrote:
On March 08 2012 20:44 mememolly wrote:
the game was slower and players smoked and shit in pele's day, sure he was amazing for his time, but the game has evolved and messi would be like a super god if he played in pele's day and I doubt the pele of old would get far in today's game and its stupid to compare, but anyone who knows what they are talking about can see that messi is the best footballer ever, shame he'll never play in the EPL though


Your basing that on theories! No one knows if Pele would ring circles around players of this day because its impossible to tell. I for one think if the 1st Division English teams from the 70s/80s player that of todays Premiership teams i would say Nottingham Forest Liverpool Everton Man Utd would be running circles round the Man Utd Chelsea Man City Arsenal of today due to muscles alone!

But technically i think Pele and Maradonna are far far greater in there careers IN TOTAL than Messi right now, not to say Messi might not out do them, but Argentina have been woeful in world cups all through out the 00s and 2010s so far. I don't think he is anywhere near Pele's level internationally etiher on paper you have to agree with that, 4 world cups attended 3 tropheys bought home, Maradonna 1 world cup in the 3 he turned up too and he had awful players around him.


I think Messi's underachievement at international level compared with Pele's is more to do with the fact that international football isn't taken as seriously anymore, it is often at the end of a long ass season where players are tired as fuck whereas back in the day they didn't play 60+ games in a year, Mouriniho said himself that the WC is second to the champions league. Messi performs at the highest level there is now, that is champions league football.

International football is taken very seriously, especially in Argentina o_O
And a club like Leverkusen is certainly not at the level of the top national football teams...


In europe the interest in international football is waning, you ask any fan on the terraces if they would want to win the league or champions or for their country to win the world cup and most will say the former


You sure about that? Personally i can't name a single person who prefers a CL win over the world cup


come to england and sit on the terraces mate, everyone here will tell you international football is dead, people are fed up with 6 million being paid to the manager to only fail every 2 years and and how all the players get injured etc playing needless friendlies
Enchanted
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1609 Posts
March 08 2012 21:30 GMT
#4086
On March 09 2012 06:28 mememolly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 03:00 RvB wrote:
On March 09 2012 02:42 mememolly wrote:
On March 09 2012 02:01 Maenander wrote:
On March 08 2012 23:01 mememolly wrote:
On March 08 2012 20:58 Pandemona wrote:
On March 08 2012 20:44 mememolly wrote:
the game was slower and players smoked and shit in pele's day, sure he was amazing for his time, but the game has evolved and messi would be like a super god if he played in pele's day and I doubt the pele of old would get far in today's game and its stupid to compare, but anyone who knows what they are talking about can see that messi is the best footballer ever, shame he'll never play in the EPL though


Your basing that on theories! No one knows if Pele would ring circles around players of this day because its impossible to tell. I for one think if the 1st Division English teams from the 70s/80s player that of todays Premiership teams i would say Nottingham Forest Liverpool Everton Man Utd would be running circles round the Man Utd Chelsea Man City Arsenal of today due to muscles alone!

But technically i think Pele and Maradonna are far far greater in there careers IN TOTAL than Messi right now, not to say Messi might not out do them, but Argentina have been woeful in world cups all through out the 00s and 2010s so far. I don't think he is anywhere near Pele's level internationally etiher on paper you have to agree with that, 4 world cups attended 3 tropheys bought home, Maradonna 1 world cup in the 3 he turned up too and he had awful players around him.


I think Messi's underachievement at international level compared with Pele's is more to do with the fact that international football isn't taken as seriously anymore, it is often at the end of a long ass season where players are tired as fuck whereas back in the day they didn't play 60+ games in a year, Mouriniho said himself that the WC is second to the champions league. Messi performs at the highest level there is now, that is champions league football.

International football is taken very seriously, especially in Argentina o_O
And a club like Leverkusen is certainly not at the level of the top national football teams...


In europe the interest in international football is waning, you ask any fan on the terraces if they would want to win the league or champions or for their country to win the world cup and most will say the former


You sure about that? Personally i can't name a single person who prefers a CL win over the world cup


come to england and sit on the terraces mate, everyone here will tell you international football is dead, people are fed up with 6 million being paid to the manager to only fail every 2 years and and how all the players get injured etc playing needless friendlies

Just because the English hate international Football doesn't mean everyone else does, wtf?
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
March 08 2012 21:33 GMT
#4087
Ofc the english hate the international scene. rofl
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
March 08 2012 21:34 GMT
#4088
On March 09 2012 03:39 Maenander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 03:12 Holgerius wrote:
Totti has said he'd think winning CL with Roma would be bigger to him than winning the WC with Italy, but he's a special case. Most players would indeed choose the WC over CL, hands down.

Did you recover from the derby defeat yet? A good season for Lazio

And I really like Totti but I can't help rooting for Klose. I don't even like Lazio

I've been working so hard since last thursday I haven't had time to be sad about it yet.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
March 08 2012 21:34 GMT
#4089
On March 09 2012 06:30 Megatronn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 06:28 mememolly wrote:
On March 09 2012 03:00 RvB wrote:
On March 09 2012 02:42 mememolly wrote:
On March 09 2012 02:01 Maenander wrote:
On March 08 2012 23:01 mememolly wrote:
On March 08 2012 20:58 Pandemona wrote:
On March 08 2012 20:44 mememolly wrote:
the game was slower and players smoked and shit in pele's day, sure he was amazing for his time, but the game has evolved and messi would be like a super god if he played in pele's day and I doubt the pele of old would get far in today's game and its stupid to compare, but anyone who knows what they are talking about can see that messi is the best footballer ever, shame he'll never play in the EPL though


Your basing that on theories! No one knows if Pele would ring circles around players of this day because its impossible to tell. I for one think if the 1st Division English teams from the 70s/80s player that of todays Premiership teams i would say Nottingham Forest Liverpool Everton Man Utd would be running circles round the Man Utd Chelsea Man City Arsenal of today due to muscles alone!

But technically i think Pele and Maradonna are far far greater in there careers IN TOTAL than Messi right now, not to say Messi might not out do them, but Argentina have been woeful in world cups all through out the 00s and 2010s so far. I don't think he is anywhere near Pele's level internationally etiher on paper you have to agree with that, 4 world cups attended 3 tropheys bought home, Maradonna 1 world cup in the 3 he turned up too and he had awful players around him.


I think Messi's underachievement at international level compared with Pele's is more to do with the fact that international football isn't taken as seriously anymore, it is often at the end of a long ass season where players are tired as fuck whereas back in the day they didn't play 60+ games in a year, Mouriniho said himself that the WC is second to the champions league. Messi performs at the highest level there is now, that is champions league football.

International football is taken very seriously, especially in Argentina o_O
And a club like Leverkusen is certainly not at the level of the top national football teams...


In europe the interest in international football is waning, you ask any fan on the terraces if they would want to win the league or champions or for their country to win the world cup and most will say the former


You sure about that? Personally i can't name a single person who prefers a CL win over the world cup


come to england and sit on the terraces mate, everyone here will tell you international football is dead, people are fed up with 6 million being paid to the manager to only fail every 2 years and and how all the players get injured etc playing needless friendlies

Just because the English hate international Football doesn't mean everyone else does, wtf?


a lot of the top european managers and players have said that the champions league is the best competition in the world and the WC means less nowadays, I never said other nations hate it, so calm down, my point was that international football has dwindled in prestige with the rise of the champions league and the relentless nature of domestic fixtures
Enchanted
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1609 Posts
March 08 2012 21:38 GMT
#4090
On March 09 2012 06:34 mememolly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 06:30 Megatronn wrote:
On March 09 2012 06:28 mememolly wrote:
On March 09 2012 03:00 RvB wrote:
On March 09 2012 02:42 mememolly wrote:
On March 09 2012 02:01 Maenander wrote:
On March 08 2012 23:01 mememolly wrote:
On March 08 2012 20:58 Pandemona wrote:
On March 08 2012 20:44 mememolly wrote:
the game was slower and players smoked and shit in pele's day, sure he was amazing for his time, but the game has evolved and messi would be like a super god if he played in pele's day and I doubt the pele of old would get far in today's game and its stupid to compare, but anyone who knows what they are talking about can see that messi is the best footballer ever, shame he'll never play in the EPL though


Your basing that on theories! No one knows if Pele would ring circles around players of this day because its impossible to tell. I for one think if the 1st Division English teams from the 70s/80s player that of todays Premiership teams i would say Nottingham Forest Liverpool Everton Man Utd would be running circles round the Man Utd Chelsea Man City Arsenal of today due to muscles alone!

But technically i think Pele and Maradonna are far far greater in there careers IN TOTAL than Messi right now, not to say Messi might not out do them, but Argentina have been woeful in world cups all through out the 00s and 2010s so far. I don't think he is anywhere near Pele's level internationally etiher on paper you have to agree with that, 4 world cups attended 3 tropheys bought home, Maradonna 1 world cup in the 3 he turned up too and he had awful players around him.


I think Messi's underachievement at international level compared with Pele's is more to do with the fact that international football isn't taken as seriously anymore, it is often at the end of a long ass season where players are tired as fuck whereas back in the day they didn't play 60+ games in a year, Mouriniho said himself that the WC is second to the champions league. Messi performs at the highest level there is now, that is champions league football.

International football is taken very seriously, especially in Argentina o_O
And a club like Leverkusen is certainly not at the level of the top national football teams...


In europe the interest in international football is waning, you ask any fan on the terraces if they would want to win the league or champions or for their country to win the world cup and most will say the former


You sure about that? Personally i can't name a single person who prefers a CL win over the world cup


come to england and sit on the terraces mate, everyone here will tell you international football is dead, people are fed up with 6 million being paid to the manager to only fail every 2 years and and how all the players get injured etc playing needless friendlies

Just because the English hate international Football doesn't mean everyone else does, wtf?


a lot of the top european managers and players have said that the champions league is the best competition in the world and the WC means less nowadays, I never said other nations hate it, so calm down, my point was that international football has dwindled in prestige with the rise of the champions league and the relentless nature of domestic fixtures

It looks like most players take playing for their Country in the WC much more seriously but to each his own I guess.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 21:41:14
March 08 2012 21:39 GMT
#4091
Anybody listening to Don Garber, MLS Commissioner, live Conference call right now.

Don Garber acknowledging MLS has taken the lead working with New York City to develop stadium plan for potential ownership groups.


Don Garber says private equity firm Providence Equity has taken an undisclosed stake in SUM (Soccer United Marketing).


MLS commissioner Don Garber said don't expect quality of refereeing to change overnight with the new program: "It's a long-term process."
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
March 08 2012 21:49 GMT
#4092
Bilbao <3
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
March 08 2012 21:51 GMT
#4093
oh my gosh what a battering...man utd have been playing like a championship side with some of their passing.
Timurid
Profile Joined April 2011
Guyana (French)656 Posts
March 08 2012 21:52 GMT
#4094
Muniain is a beast!
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
March 08 2012 21:54 GMT
#4095
when will fergie wake up, you're lucky to be 2nd in the league and garbage in europe, even blackburn done you at home
imperfect
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada1652 Posts
March 08 2012 21:57 GMT
#4096
23? shots by bilbao lol

well deserved win! congrats!
blind bisu free and anytime fanboy.
Copymizer
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark2096 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 22:21:52
March 08 2012 22:02 GMT
#4097
wow english football downfall? Manchester united taken down home, by primera divisions 5th team Athelic Bilbao. There is so much to discuss about the 2 leagues side by side. what a win for football overall <3. holy crap hahah it's manchester united on home soil! European football metagame change after 12 years? bilbao might as well be able to compete in champions league with that spanish finnesse attacking forward football?!. LOVELY

A dominating spanish night in Europa League overall
Atletico Madrid 3 - 1 Besiktas
Manchester U. 2 - 3 Athletic Bilbao
Valencia 4 - 2 PSV Eindhoven
~~Yo man ! MBCGame HERO Fighting !! Holy check !
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2721 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 22:20:32
March 08 2012 22:18 GMT
#4098
Spanish teams are not that bad, maybe overall the league is not as good as premiere. But Valencia, bilbao, sevilla, villareal, athetico, espanyol, etc this last years are teams that could compete in the premiere.

Its only that madrid and barcelona make them look worst, but i think spanish league is the best after premiere.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
March 08 2012 22:18 GMT
#4099
Fuck yeah Ath. Bilbao <3
Revolutionist fan
Retric
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany284 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 22:20:13
March 08 2012 22:19 GMT
#4100
On March 09 2012 02:25 RealQ wrote:


1. England
2. Spain
3. Italy
4. Germany
5. France
6. Portugal
7. Russia
8. Netherlands
9. Ukraine

these are the biggest leagues in europe. from 9. and so on it becomes pretty bad.


sorry but germany is CLEARY in front of Italy. Just look at the official uefa ranking:

1. England 82.535
2. Spain 76.757
3. Germany 71.852
4. Italy 59.124

Germany is 5 points behind Spain, but 12 points in front of Italy

Source: http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/index.html


and Ukraine is in front of Netherlands.
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