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On March 10 2012 04:48 Liquid`Drone wrote:
EPL was clearly the best league between like, 2007-2009. but since then, spanish teams (not just real madrid and barcelona) have improved at a much higher pace than the english teams- some english teams (arsenal, chelsea and liverpool) have even become worse. and at the moment, la liga is clearly the superior league. I mean, if you remove top 2 teams from both leagues, it's prolly kind of even, but real madrid and barcelona are playing at a far, far higher level than any english team at the moment. and if you compare the performance of 3-6 in epl with 3-6 in spain, then spain also comes out ahead..
this stuff is cyclical.. there's no need to be offended or angry because the league you prefer is no longer best. expect barca and real to be the teams to beat the next "some" seasons. then it might become city or united or milan or bayern münchen.
and I don't mean best as in "most entertaining" here, but best as in "has the highest overall skill level". I don't really care how La Liga plays out to be honest, while EPL excites me. but I just don't see how you can argue that EPL is superior in terms of quality.
also with the whole world cup debate. the world cup is the most important tournament in the world, the one most people care about and the one most players would prefer winning. someone like totti being an exception makes sense - italy has a greater chance of winning the WC than roma has of winning CL, and he's a one-club-player. but while the WC is what most people find the most exciting, the quality of play is less good than the quality of play in the CL.
They dont, they start clutching at straws by argueing stupid shit like its a boring league because the top 2 are too good, effectively making it an inferior league. All intangibles included the EPL is a better league, thats why the money is there. But if your going to just argue in terms of quality of football played Im afraid that is quite debatable. In any case Barca and Real dominating has absolutely nothing to do with how good the rest of Spain is. Barca and Real are so good arguably the best midfielder in England at the moment cant get into the starting lineup. That should say something.
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If I was an aspiring 20 year old dude trying to go pro I'd cry after watching the images I posted.
He has the same style, same technique, it's just talent, no amount of hard work can give you what he has.
We are so blessed to watch him perform in our time.
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Yeah I have to say this year at least, the EPL isn't the best league in terms of quality. you just have to look at how the top teams have struggled in Europe this year to see that. Spain probably has the best distribution in class, and Barca at least stands out as a team, while Madrid has come on in leaps and bounds. But the Italian league has Napoli and INter this year, while Germany has had the competition between teams, if not the stand out teams that dominate Europe. The EPL will be back, have no doubt, and when Dalgleish has a while to get his feet sorted, City can consolidate and Fergie gets Utd up and running again, we'll probably be the best league again. I just hope Arsenal can keep up.
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Football is at its funniest when both teams play with their heart on their sleeves, and thats usually found in the Premier League. Serie A is full of tactical and technical teams, La Liga is full of offensive gung ho-play. PL is full of fast paced action, and players that give all they've got.
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On March 10 2012 05:15 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 04:48 Liquid`Drone wrote:
EPL was clearly the best league between like, 2007-2009. but since then, spanish teams (not just real madrid and barcelona) have improved at a much higher pace than the english teams- some english teams (arsenal, chelsea and liverpool) have even become worse. and at the moment, la liga is clearly the superior league. I mean, if you remove top 2 teams from both leagues, it's prolly kind of even, but real madrid and barcelona are playing at a far, far higher level than any english team at the moment. and if you compare the performance of 3-6 in epl with 3-6 in spain, then spain also comes out ahead..
this stuff is cyclical.. there's no need to be offended or angry because the league you prefer is no longer best. expect barca and real to be the teams to beat the next "some" seasons. then it might become city or united or milan or bayern münchen.
and I don't mean best as in "most entertaining" here, but best as in "has the highest overall skill level". I don't really care how La Liga plays out to be honest, while EPL excites me. but I just don't see how you can argue that EPL is superior in terms of quality.
also with the whole world cup debate. the world cup is the most important tournament in the world, the one most people care about and the one most players would prefer winning. someone like totti being an exception makes sense - italy has a greater chance of winning the WC than roma has of winning CL, and he's a one-club-player. but while the WC is what most people find the most exciting, the quality of play is less good than the quality of play in the CL. They dont, they start clutching at straws by argueing stupid shit like its a boring league because the top 2 are too good, effectively making it an inferior league. All intangibles included the EPL is a better league, thats why the money is there. But if your going to just argue in terms of quality of football played Im afraid that is quite debatable. In any case Barca and Real dominating has absolutely nothing to do with how good the rest of Spain is. Barca and Real are so good arguably the best midfielder in England at the moment cant get into the starting lineup. That should say something.
The best midfielder in England is out on injury. Hopefully, he comes back before the season ends. Also, there is only 2 other teams that are good in spain, Valencia and Athletic. Pretty much everyone under 5th sucks hardcore with the exception of Levante, which they are having pretty remarkable season so far This season overall for England has been a terrible one. Hopefully Arsenal, utd, and city bounce back in Europe next year.
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I'm a huge Barça fan but I have known since a long time ago that the Premier is WAY more fun to watch than la Liga :D
(Barça games still the best ofc)
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I know that this may be biased, but why isn't the bundesliga in this discussion. It's by far the most tensed high level league. The depth is way higher than la liga and premier. If you look past team 10 in premier all the teams are destroyed by manu and so on. In spain you are already second being 10 points behind by drawing a few times.
While I have to agree that the level of soccer of real and barca is unreached, I feel like the rest doesn't stand out. Upsets never occcur.
That's why I love the bundesliga so much...No game is decided beforehand.
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bundesliga is on the uprise. and it's very entertaining. and it seems much more financially responsible than the other top leagues. basically, lots of great stuff about bundesliga. but the quality of the top teams is definitely below that of la liga and EPL.
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Bayern Munich has learned to score goals again. 5-0 35th minute against TSG Hoffenheim
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Barca and Real are just on a completely different level compared to EPL teams. If you look at the players from the top EPL teams, maybe only 1 or 2 from each team would be good enough to play for Barca and Real, and might even struggle to be on the first team.
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On March 10 2012 21:17 Jayjay54 wrote:
I know that this may be biased, but why isn't the bundesliga in this discussion. It's by far the most tensed high level league. The depth is way higher than la liga and premier. If you look past team 10 in premier all the teams are destroyed by manu and so on. In spain you are already second being 10 points behind by drawing a few times.
While I have to agree that the level of soccer of real and barca is unreached, I feel like the rest doesn't stand out. Upsets never occcur.
That's why I love the bundesliga so much...No game is decided beforehand.
The Bundesliga is awesome (and definitely my favorite league), but like others have said, the overall quality of play isn't as high as the other two, even if the competition is noticably better. Bayern Munchen and BVB Dortmund can give just about any team a run for their money (if they aren't randomly sucking it up - damn you BVB!), but they would never be seen as favorites against Real/Barca/Man U/Man City.
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On March 11 2012 00:33 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 21:17 Jayjay54 wrote:
I know that this may be biased, but why isn't the bundesliga in this discussion. It's by far the most tensed high level league. The depth is way higher than la liga and premier. If you look past team 10 in premier all the teams are destroyed by manu and so on. In spain you are already second being 10 points behind by drawing a few times.
While I have to agree that the level of soccer of real and barca is unreached, I feel like the rest doesn't stand out. Upsets never occcur.
That's why I love the bundesliga so much...No game is decided beforehand. The Bundesliga is awesome (and definitely my favorite league), but like others have said, the overall quality of play isn't as high as the other two, even if the competition is noticably better. Bayern Munchen and BVB Dortmund can give just about any team a run for their money (if they aren't randomly sucking it up - damn you BVB!), but they would never be seen as favorites against Real/Barca/Man U/Man City.
I agree (well, although england isn't as dominating this year, I watched bayern dominate over Man City in Munich live, niceeee!). That's kinda the thing. The way the leagues are structured favour 2-3 teams and the others get a little weaker. The bundesliga is well balance and thus the games are more fun to watch while e.g. in spain you can obviously watch lionel go crazy, but you never fear that barca is actually going to lose (clasico aside)...
Watching best soccer player is great and seeing how barca dismantled leverkusen this week was awesome too, but not tense.
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On March 10 2012 04:46 ilj.psa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 01:33 Sated wrote:On March 10 2012 01:29 uberMatt wrote:On March 09 2012 10:12 mememolly wrote:On March 09 2012 10:07 LogaiN wrote:
Thing is, Barcelona and Madrid are on a different level compared to other teams today. It would look the same if they played in the PL/Bundesliga/Serie-A. Trust me. in the EPL they would be near the top but its tough going to places like Stoke, Fulham et al on a wet shitty afternoon and trying to get a result, its not like playing in spain and winning 5-0 every week HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHA, HE ACTUALLY SAID IT SERIOUSLY andy gray, take a bow son, take a bow He's not saying they would lose to Stoke and Fulham, he is saying that it is more physically demanding to play in the EPL than it is to play in La Liga and that this could, over the course of a season, have an affect on the ability of players like Messi to put in ridiculous performances week in, week out... ... At least until they adapt to it. I suppose. George best was good but.... could he perform in a hot sunny day at Seville?  .
depends if you're talking about performing at footy or pulling some girls while downing a few pints on a beach
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I'm sooooooo glad that Bolton cleared the relegation zone with their win over QPR :D
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On March 11 2012 02:13 MorningMusume11 wrote:
I'm sooooooo glad that Bolton cleared the relegation zone with their win over QPR :D
Agree, i like Bolton and Coyle, hope they stay in EPL.
btw, the reffing in this match was terrible
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On March 11 2012 02:19 BeaTeR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 02:13 MorningMusume11 wrote:
I'm sooooooo glad that Bolton cleared the relegation zone with their win over QPR :D Agree, i like Bolton and Coyle, hope they stay in EPL. btw, the reffing in this match was terrible
im from bolton and we all went so crazy when klasnic scored, his name echoing around the stadium was awesome. despite QPR's goal that wasnt given, their goal was offside so it kinda balanced it out a bit, but you need some luck to stay up :D
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On March 10 2012 10:55 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 03:03 Rebs wrote:On March 09 2012 23:44 Sated wrote:On March 09 2012 23:41 Rixi wrote:On March 09 2012 19:36 Sated wrote:On March 09 2012 17:56 Rixi wrote:On March 09 2012 09:46 Sated wrote:
Look at your league table. One result doesn't change the fact that there are only two teams in Spain. Real Madrid and Barça are way ahead of everyone else but what you fail to see is that the rest are ahead too, just not that much. It doesn't matter how good the other teams are if the competition is a farce. There are only two teams in Spain just like there are only two teams in Scotland - two different leagues in terms of skill, but both as uninteresting and dull as each other. Im not talking about how interesting the league is . you said spain only have two teams and thats a lie just because 2 of the teams are way better than the rest doesn't mean that in a european scale or world scale the other teams doesn't mather. La liga isn't everything there is . You're taking what I said out of context. I am speaking strictly about the Spanish league when I say that there are only two teams in Spain. I'm not naive enough to think that top European leagues don't have teams capable of taking points off teams in other top European leagues. So your saying that watching Spanish football is bad because it has the 2 best teams in the world.. oookk. How good the football is clearly irrelevant. It just has to be competitive right ? Ill tell you what, even though this is irrelevant to the discussion Ill play along. Considering more different clubs in Spain have won la liga in the last 12 years than in England I could even argue that point. Like I said I can bring plenty of arguements that England is usually a 2 horse race aswell, and some times not even that If anyone actually believed that the last 3-4 seasons Arsenal or Liverpool could actually win a title were being naive and banking on the names. I never did. Chelsea were up there for a bit and Arsenal challenged a couple of times otherwise its been alll Man Unied for more than a decade, and comfortably most of the time. O right Valencia and Depo did that to and round abou the same time. Lets just consider recentlly alI I see is Man United have wonnnn oh yeah 4 of the last 5 years with just 1 team, thats right 1 team challenging when it has mattered. Others like i said the names and hype just flatter to deceive and fall out of the picture and you can usually tell who it is. This idea that omg so many teams in England can win is an illusion, and it ends pretty quickly every season when the contendors emerge. Even this year is a 2 horse race. Sooooo interesting. That my friend is a farce. Atleast Spain brings you under no silly illusions of great competition. (just playing devils advocate here because your just wrong in the way you are thinking about it.) Does England have more teams where the title chasers can slip up? Sure but thats just because the contendors arent as good as Real or Barca simple. I think Bilbao skinning Man United should prove as much. IMO, games aren't entertaining unless: a) My team is involved. b) The game is close. If you don't agree then that's cool. You can't really argue against me if you don't agree because it's just a difference of opinion. As for Bilbao, they beat us with an offside goal. Despite dominating the game. I don't know what to think of that - we're good at being lucky? Maybe... If anything, I'm annoyed at Ferguson for making such a lackadaisical team selection - no central midfielders for most of the game? Seriously? Bad times. EDIT: Nevermind, you just admitted the EPL is more entertaining in this post (and that's all I was saying). Thanks for agreeing with me: + Show Spoiler +On March 10 2012 05:15 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 04:48 Liquid`Drone wrote:
EPL was clearly the best league between like, 2007-2009. but since then, spanish teams (not just real madrid and barcelona) have improved at a much higher pace than the english teams- some english teams (arsenal, chelsea and liverpool) have even become worse. and at the moment, la liga is clearly the superior league. I mean, if you remove top 2 teams from both leagues, it's prolly kind of even, but real madrid and barcelona are playing at a far, far higher level than any english team at the moment. and if you compare the performance of 3-6 in epl with 3-6 in spain, then spain also comes out ahead..
this stuff is cyclical.. there's no need to be offended or angry because the league you prefer is no longer best. expect barca and real to be the teams to beat the next "some" seasons. then it might become city or united or milan or bayern münchen.
and I don't mean best as in "most entertaining" here, but best as in "has the highest overall skill level". I don't really care how La Liga plays out to be honest, while EPL excites me. but I just don't see how you can argue that EPL is superior in terms of quality.
also with the whole world cup debate. the world cup is the most important tournament in the world, the one most people care about and the one most players would prefer winning. someone like totti being an exception makes sense - italy has a greater chance of winning the WC than roma has of winning CL, and he's a one-club-player. but while the WC is what most people find the most exciting, the quality of play is less good than the quality of play in the CL. They dont, they start clutching at straws by argueing stupid shit like its a boring league because the top 2 are too good, effectively making it an inferior league. All intangibles included the EPL is a better league, thats why the money is there. But if your going to just argue in terms of quality of football played Im afraid that is quite debatable. In any case Barca and Real dominating has absolutely nothing to do with how good the rest of Spain is. Barca and Real are so good arguably the best midfielder in England at the moment cant get into the starting lineup. That should say something.
Then please make it clear earlier by saying its an opinion, based on some whimsical assumptions that are relevant to you because you lack a decen football IQ. Which is fine everyone is free to enjoy the sport, to each his own. Concacaf champions league knockouts really close games. Must be best competition in the world..
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On March 11 2012 03:02 SabreUK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2012 02:19 BeaTeR wrote:On March 11 2012 02:13 MorningMusume11 wrote:
I'm sooooooo glad that Bolton cleared the relegation zone with their win over QPR :D Agree, i like Bolton and Coyle, hope they stay in EPL. btw, the reffing in this match was terrible im from bolton and we all went so crazy when klasnic scored, his name echoing around the stadium was awesome. despite QPR's goal that wasnt given, their goal was offside so it kinda balanced it out a bit, but you need some luck to stay up :D
I am also from Bolton, was much needed today 
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