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On September 10 2011 04:47 Seldentar wrote:
To be honest Team Liquid is one of the more mature forums I've visited, it really is pretty good considering how many people with completely different views are on it.
Probably the worst I've ever seen is the International High IQ Society. At first it was okay, but after I was in it for about a year every single fucking thread gradually turned into an all out flame fest LOL.
Never been there , my IQ probably is not high enough 8)
+ Show Spoiler +Edit here is a line that leads to relative equality with a very slight pull for white .... 0-0 0-0 bxn bxb d5 exd e.p. qxd ( leaves us with an isolani, but the following line works out I think ) bxn qxb bf4 qd5 bxc7 bg4 h3 bxn qxb qxd4 . with a very slight edge for white due to our bishop versus knight with pawns on both sides of the board . However due to the fact the knight has an advanced outpost it should fare ok against the bishop .
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On September 10 2011 05:14 MrProphylactic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 05:11 jdseemoreglass wrote:On September 10 2011 04:57 MrProphylactic wrote:On September 10 2011 04:54 jdseemoreglass wrote:
He says this site was great until SC2 was released? I can't comment on that, but I know for a fact this thread was great until prophylactic showed up, now it has turned to shit with his passive-aggressive insults.
From his very first post he was complaining about how this game would be impossible to win, because the players are so weak. He's repeated how weak everyone is several times, and repeated his rank several times as well. This is very specifically what Ng5 warned us away from doing. He said not to make arguments based upon "I'm IM/GM/God." And yet here we are...
He disparagingly refers to me as a lowly "1500 player," even though I stated I don't even have a rating. He claims my database is 50 years old because I provided some games from Spassky. No, the database I'm using is only 4 years old.
I really hate to derail this thread and continue this whole stupid thing, but that's precisely what happens when someone shows up and starts insulting other people: the thread gets derailed. It's a shame too, because up until the last couple moves we were having really good back and forth discussions without having to insult each other's abilities or ratings, etc.
I told myself earlier I was just going to stop responding to it, because I naively thought it would go away. However, he's started the same shit with qrs, and just now threw another passive-aggressive insult at wubu. I really can't see things improving much from this point.
"I would not expect many here to have put the vast amount of hours of work needed to see things from my point of view." You think that we are misrepresenting your "voice-tone"? No, we aren't. You are very clearly stating repeatedly that your opinion is simply superior to everyone else's. That's not how you make arguments here. Show the analysis, that's all anyone cares about in the end. Here he goes trying to re-flame the fire . Listen you may not like the fact we are resolving this . But if you have nothing more to add but more arguing just keep it to yourself . "I would not expect many here to have put the vast amount of hours of work needed to see things from my point of view." I stand by this statement ,. It is not an insult just a reality . I am a statistical minority having put so many hours into this game that few would have the amount of time needed , there was nothing negative intended by it . Or maybe where you come from Tiltled players walk up and down the street as common as ants . lmao ( on a side note I have proved the strenght of my moves based on analysis alone ( some lines which are 24 ply deep ), you are bringing up the fact of my title more than anyone else . I thought it maybe relevant at the beginning of the thread I do not know , TO A CHESS GAME WITHOUT PROGRAMS !!!! ) Never once have I argued for a move based on my title alone . Just keep your opinions to yourself and I will do the same . Which was where we were headed before you chimed in Except you are obviously incapable of keeping your opinions to yourself. I'm not going to agree to ignore you insulting me. That doesn't even make sense. You have called me a weak player. You have called me a know-it-all. You have accused me of cheating using engines. You have thrown endless passive aggressive attacks at me, from the database comments, to Fischer's GM age, and more. You can't repeatedly insult someone and then tell them to just drop the whole thing, that's not how it works, sorry. The n attempt to keep the whole thing going if you want . But at this point noone else cares, including me and you will be doing it alone. And I still believe all those things, the truth is painfully obvious at least to me , but I see this everyday . But does it really matter what I believe if it is not true ? You seem a little defensive about something that is false . I am willing to let it all go . If you are not , well that is your problem . Have at it guy
Ok, after this post I will let it go, again. I already let it go once, but you continued with the insults. I haven't insulted you once yet, but since you've insulted me many times, so I think I have a right to get this off my chest...
In the real world, no one gives a damn about your chess rating. The only thing people are going to think when they meet you is, "God, that guy was an asshole." They are going to pity this developmentally stunted child who placates his inadequacies as a person with an improvement in a meaningless chess rating.
The fact that you've gotten into confrontations with multiple posters in such a short time should tell you that there is something broken in the way you relate to people. I really don't wish anything bad toward you. I hope you learn to treat others with some basic respect so you don't go through life alone and miserable.
Now that I've gotten this off my chest, let's see if you follow through with your desire to drop the whole thing. My guess is you won't, because people don't appreciate personal insults. Get it?
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Is this guy still talking ? I am not sure who he thinks is bothering to read that .I know I am not going to .
Will edit some more lines in in a bit . Need to look at the board for awhile first .
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
+ Show Spoiler +So when would be an appropriate time to castle? I think castling would be good. We should have done so long ago; and now, we should try to do it whenever we have a free move. This pressure on our king is making me uncomfortable.
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On September 10 2011 05:45 Blazinghand wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So when would be an appropriate time to castle? I think castling would be good. We should have done so long ago; and now, we should try to do it whenever we have a free move. This pressure on our king is making me uncomfortable.
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Yes, after black plays his next move, assuming he doesn't trade, I think we should castle here. There isn't a good reason not to.
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On September 10 2011 05:45 Blazinghand wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So when would be an appropriate time to castle? I think castling would be good. We should have done so long ago; and now, we should try to do it whenever we have a free move. This pressure on our king is making me uncomfortable.
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I agree. Since we played into the nd2 lines ... 0-0 0-0 is a likely continuation. Of course unless something forcing like a6 is played by black
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*waiting for the edit after one of the sophomores realizes he agreed with the other*
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On September 10 2011 05:49 Xog wrote:
*waiting for the edit after one of the sophomores realizes he agreed with the other*
lmao, that is slightly humorous . But be careful , someone may take that as an insult and derail the thread for 20 pages and blame it all on you .
+ Show Spoiler +Here is a tame line 0-0 0-0 bxn bxb d5 bxnc6 bxB bc5 re8 nd2 bf5 nxn bxn ( is dxne4 white plays bc5 with a nice edge) rc1 re6 qd2 more or less equal . but a small edge structurewise for white
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On September 10 2011 05:48 MrProphylactic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 05:45 Blazinghand wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So when would be an appropriate time to castle? I think castling would be good. We should have done so long ago; and now, we should try to do it whenever we have a free move. This pressure on our king is making me uncomfortable. + Show Spoiler +
I agree. Since we played into the nd2 lines ... 0-0 0-0 is a likely continuation. Of course unless something forcing like a6 is played by black
+ Show Spoiler +if he does that, wouldn't we simply Ba4?
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If white wants a chance against black, you guys need to get over this. As far as I can see, you three and few others are the only ones using rhetoric, and if you aren't working together come end game Ng5 will play with you as one would a mewling babe.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On September 10 2011 05:56 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 05:48 MrProphylactic wrote:On September 10 2011 05:45 Blazinghand wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So when would be an appropriate time to castle? I think castling would be good. We should have done so long ago; and now, we should try to do it whenever we have a free move. This pressure on our king is making me uncomfortable. + Show Spoiler +
I agree. Since we played into the nd2 lines ... 0-0 0-0 is a likely continuation. Of course unless something forcing like a6 is played by black
+ Show Spoiler +if he does that, wouldn't we simply Ba4?
+ Show Spoiler +Yeah, retreating the bishop is fine.
s[poiler]Also, I think I've figured something out:
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IS THIS THE SAME PERSON YOU GUYS?[/spoiler]
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+ Show Spoiler +I also don't think we should look too deeply into BxN lines. I don't believe he will want to trade an advanced piece off, and give us board control
I'm looking at that "tame line" of yours right now, proph, and I'm confused as per where you said "Bc5" there... how is that possible?
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Bd2, sup, yeah, runnin against the wind
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On September 10 2011 06:05 Bill Murray wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I also don't think we should look too deeply into BxN lines. I don't believe he will want to trade an advanced piece off, and give us board control
I'm looking at that "tame line" of yours right now, proph, and I'm confused as per where you said "Bc5" there... how is that possible?
Because I recaptured on d2 with the c1 bishop after bxn . here I will repost it .
+ Show Spoiler +Here is a tame line 0-0 0-0 bxn bxb d5 bxnc6 bxB bc5 re8 nd2 bf5 nxn bxn ( is dxne4 white plays bc5 with a nice edge) rc1 re6 qd2 more or less equal . but a small edge structurewise for white
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On September 10 2011 05:58 Xog wrote:
As far as I can see, you three and few others are the only ones using rhetoric...
On September 10 2011 05:58 Xog wrote:
...if you aren't working together come end game Ng5 will play with you as one would a mewling babe. lol
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Kids.
I'm busy enjoying life (and working all night) for two days and thought all the posts would be of chess.
Just showing that I'm around and that I will kick your ass once I'm back from dinner.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
Don't worry Ng5 I was here Henry Claying it up as hard as possible while you were gone. I believe I have successfully delayed the civil war by another 10 years, just like the great Kentucky Senator did so many times.
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If we play 8.Bd2, NxB gives black the bishop pair.Then, after black castles and moves the d7-pawn he has the better position.
8. Nc3 loses.
8. Kf1 might be best, though not aesthetically pleasing.
8. Nbd2 looks natural. Should black reply with d5, we just castle and move queen to a4.
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On September 10 2011 06:45 14GG wrote:
If we play 8.Bd2, NxB gives black the bishop pair.Then, after black castles and moves the d7-pawn he has the better position.
8. Nc3 loses.
8. Kf8 impedes the development of Rh1 severely.
8. Nbd2 looks natural. Should black reply with d5, we just castle and move queen to a4.
Here a former world champion plays Kf1 in this exact position
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1132727
But what did Steinitz know hehe .
After all the hours of work I put into showing how kf1 can be viable( I may have found some improvements on Steinitz line actually ) it gets a simple side note lol , But it would not impede the rook after the h pawn was pushed and the rook lifted to the third or fourth rank, you can see this idea in the above link , or go through some of the lines I provided on my own . This idea kf1 has been seen many times in grandmaster chess in quite a few semi-closed or closed openings such as these, such as the French and Carro Khan or KID . When I suggested I figured it was a novelty in this line until someone provided the Steinitz game .
If you are interested in learning how this could work out I posted quite a few lines demonstrating why this unusual looking move could be played, merely for the posterity of the forum . Some of the lines go quite deep , 24 ply or more
here are a few reposted below
+ Show Spoiler +never would have talked anybody into this kf1 though, no matter how much analysis I provided based on its appearance and nothing more . Here are some interesting ideas to me at least . bb4 kf1? d5 qa4 winning . bb4 kf1 0-0 d5 winning. taking that into account bb4 kf1? qe7(probably best or ba5) qc2 f5 h4 0-0 qc4+ kh8 bg5 nxb hxg5 opening the h file with a nice attack .
Due to the semi-closed nature of the board The lines appear to keep the initiative for white, while avoiding any exchanges . For instance some other examples . Bb4 Kf1?! qe7 qc2 f5 (hard to find a better move than this for black here , if d5 bxc6 wins) h4 ba5 nc3 nb4 qe2 c6 bc4 d5 exd e.p. nxd qxq kxq bb3 and from here if black tries nd3 white ends up better after bg5 which is a long line in itself .
Big breath ... here we go .... nd3 bg5+ ke8 (kd7 leads to another strong position for white ) rd1 nxb2 re1+ ne4 nxn bxr nd6+ kd7 nf7 re8 nxbe1 b6 ne5 +kc7 and we lift our rook to h3 with a winning game.
Here is a line Boozer found f6 Qd3 Ng5 Nxg5 Nxg5 fxg5 a3 Ba5 b4 Bb6 Bxc6 and the black bishop is trapped and a4/5 will soon follow.
some more lines I found.... By not interposing we are still putting the question to blacks knight on e4. So lets say blacks tries to solve this by playing f5 right away . Here is one more or less forcing line... bb4 kf1 f5? d5 ne7 ng5 c6 pxp nxc6 nxn pxn qd5 a6 bc4?!(bxn also possible) qe7 a3 ba5 nd2 (if bxd2 bxd2 nxe5 in an attempt to win the e5 pawn out right white plays re1 with a winning game) qxe5 nxe4 and I see white as a tad better, Blacks pieces are very uncoordinated, and pawn structure weak
bb4 kf1 f5 qa4 (threatens to win a piece) be7( this took his own knights retreat square when we play d5) d5 nb8 (hehe) bd3 nc5 qc2 nxb qxn 0-0 d6 ! (cramping black's pieces) cxd cxd bf6 qxf5 (we can get away with this based on the d5 check, white may have a better move) kh8 qd5 nc6 nc3 from here play might continue ....... nc3 bxn bxB qf6 be3 qxc3 rc1 qh4 h4 (followed by a rook lift . and white has a very very slight positional edge. Still looking for black improvements, this last line I am liking as black's best so far . The more deeply I look into these lines the more I am really liking them, so many places for black to go wrong , where as the white strategy is straightforward.
\EDIT : THIS LINE IS SWEET !!!!! Here is another example of how dangerous things can get for black if he gets greedy.... bb4 kf1 f5 qa4 be7 d5 nb8 bd3 nc5 qc2 nxb qxn 0-0 d6 cxd cxd bf6 nc3? kh8 nd5 na6 qxf5 bxb2?! qh5 bxr?(loses on the spot) ng5 wins . If bxc1 play continues ....bxc1 rxb qe8 qg4 qf7 qe4 rb8 ne7 qf6 qe5 b6 qxq pxq h4 finally lifting our rook , we follow up with a nd4 to f5 maneuver .. white is controlling the board in all of these lines, I really cannot find better moves than these for black as hard as I try. I think I have put enough work into a line that will not be played though , it just really interested me.
Sometimes moves that look silly for positional reasons are in fact quite playable tactically .
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