TL Chess Match 4 - Page 56

The idea is to avoid exchanges, and the position is more or less closed by effect . We can play something a little more aggressive that NG5 will find harder to get materials on . Also, with a closed center or even semi-closed it can be ok to play this move as long as we keep control of the d3 diagonal . The idea is to push h4 and lift rH3, or use the pawn roller all the way to h6 if possible before lifting the rook . The fact that blacks kings cannot go queenside very easily or stay in the center as safely as ours makes this move playable imo, Did you look at any of my lines on the last page I put quite a bit of work into analysing? Or are you basing your opinions purely on the aesthetics and excluding the idea without even looking at the analysis ? Read my quote below, it is exactly belonging to these types of moves

Some interesting lines in the unconventional bb4 kf1, which now that I look at the complexities would have been another really cool novelty to spring on NG5. IT can be playable in structures like these when the a6 f1 diagonal is controlled as we do now . But I would probably turn blue in the face explaining why this is playable, based solely on aesthetic impression the move makes ( splitting the rooks , losing the castle etc .) However it would combine with h4 ng5 ideas, and pushing the h pawn to h5 or even h6 if possible , and lifting the rook to say rh4 or rh3 to rg3. Some really interesting positions arise from this, some of this I will provide below.

Here are some interesting ideas to me at least . bb4 kf1? d5 qa4 winning . bb4 kf1 0-0 d5 winning.
Taking that into account bb4 kf1? qe7(probably best or ba5) qc2 f5 h4 0-0 qc4+ kh8 bg5 nxb hxg5 opening the h file with a nice attack as the rook is now perfectly placed on the half open h-file .
Due to the semi-closed nature of the board The lines appear to keep the initiative for white, while avoiding any exchanges . For instance some other examples . Bb4 Kf1?! qe7 qc2 f5 (hard to find a better move than this for black here , if d5 bxc6 wins) h4 ba5 nc3 nb4 qe2 c6 bc4 d5 exd e.p. nxd qxq kxq bb3 and from here if black tries nd3 white ends up better after bg5 which is a long line in itself, which I will demonstrate .
Big breath ... here we go .... nd3 bg5+ ke8 (kd7 leads to another strong position for white ) rd1 nxb2 re1+ ne4 nxn bxr nd6+ kd7 nf7 re8 nxbe1 b6 ne5 +kc7 and we lift our rook to h3 with a winning game. Quite a long line did you follow that last one !!!!
If any one wants I can show the analysis on kd7.
I realize this move kf1 makes a poor impression based of what beginners and even novice players understand about chess, but it is playable here, and I truely believe white keeps a small initiative . Some of the positions are really interesting to. .

I didn't read through all of it. was just looking at general aesthetics. I'll go through it now

Some more positional points here . ( I will continue to add lines as I solve them )


By not interposing we are still putting the question to blacks knight on e4. So lets say blacks tries to solve this by playing f5 right away . Here is one more or less forcing line... bb4 kf1 f5? d5 ne7 ng5 c6 pxp nxc6 nxn pxn qd5 a6 bc4?!(bxn also possible) qe7 a3 ba5 nd2 (if bxd2 bxd2 nxe5 in an attempt to win the e5 pawn out right white plays re1 with a winning game) qxe5 nxe4 and I see white as a tad better, Blacks pieces are very uncoordinated, and pawn structure weak. I am looking for improvements for black, but I have looked at quite a bit already in combinations with the other lines, and these lines(inthe other post as well ) seem the most critical .
The thing is after kf1 it is hard to find a useful plan for black . Castling right away loses, but his position is not as well equipped to deal with the king in he center as ours is . So what does black try here ? I will add some more lines in as I find them .

EDIT : Here is another forcing line . bb4 kf1 f5 qa4 (threatens to win a piece) be7( this took his own knights retreat square when we play d5) d5 nb8 (hehe) bd3 nc5 qc2 nxb qxn 0-0 d6 ! (cramping black's pieces) cxd cxd bf6 qxf5 (we can get away with this based on the d5 check, white may have a better move) kh8 qd5 nc6 nc3 from here play might continue ....... nc3 bxn bxB qf6 be3 qxc3 rc1 qh4 h4 (followed by a rook lift . and white has a very very slight positional edge. Still looking for black improvements, this last line I am liking as black's best so far . The more deeply I look into these lines the more I am really liking them, so many places for black to go wrong , where as the white strategy is straightforward.


\EDIT : Here is another example of how dangerous things can get for black if he gets greedy.... bb4 kf1 f5 qa4 be7 d5 nb8 bd3 nc5 qc2 nxb qxn 0-0 d6 cxd cxd bf6 nc3? kh8 nd5 na6 qxf5 bxb2?! qh5 bxr?(loses on the spot) ng5 wins . If bxc1 play continues ....bxc1 rxb qe8 qg4 qf7 qe4 rb8 ne7 qf6 qe5 b6 qxq pxq h4 finally lifting our rook , we follow up with a nd4 to f5 maneuver .. white is controlling the board in all of these lines, I really cannot find better moves than these for black as hard as I try. I think I have put enough work into a line that will not be played though , it just really interested me.

A variation of Boden mate maybe? I'm so proud I found it after like 30 seconds of pondering.

Myself, I love Chessmaster 9000 for this clear layout:

You obviously you were not following the arguments earlier ,Yes qe2 was the topic . Yeah I know it is current theory, and that has been my position from the start that is a playable line .
It is just that a new idea that would be expected to have less games played in a database, you kind of prove my point I have maintained from the start with your last post . I wanted to play it for the very reason less literature is available on it , and thus hoped NG5 might have a harder time finding lines (though I am fairly certain he has chessbase 10 )

People that do not have chessbase were telling me the move was not played by Gms ( mind you the types that would not know how to come by there own opinion if they did not read it from somewhere else first) , Because they could not find it in there worthless 50 year old databases of outdated games . . It is a little more of a modern approach to the position, and you will not see the move appearing until later in history . But yeah I maintained form the beginning I knew it was in chessbase , I claim that in numerous posts . If you are that interested read the obnoxiously silly discussion earlier about the move, Because they could not find it in a basic Internet search, or a very poor database of 50 year old games, there was a few claims by one ironic individual that no master would favor the move . He even goes as far as to claim he wouldn't need a program to understand the move is not a Master level line . Ironically he could not be further from the truth .I think he would need a lot more than a program . Like years of lessons first

. A lot less literature does exist on the move and your posts kind of illustrates my point as it has the least amount of games played . ( This would be expected from a move that had not been played for 200 years, like castles and cxd have been ) Yes the game from 2011 is from the English GM Adams I believe , and I made reference to this game in an earlier post .

I am following the discussions in here quite a bit, but for me this is above all an event to have fun, and when the discussions turn into passive-aggressive insults, like they did the last couple of pages, I ignore them because that is not my definition of fun. But I understand that in these kind of community-events, it is always harder for the better players to stay calm, because they know so much more about the game. Still it would be nice if you guys would try to get along better, so I can enjoy your analysis more.

Regarding databases, I have to say chessbase is far and away superior to any ither online-database I have seen so far (granted I did not dig too deep, but you won't find anything better on the first page of Google I believe.










Not a novelty Just less literature and something a novelty may be more likely to spring from. Kf1 I was thinking could be a novelty . If you could as I am away from my chessbase account , could you see if KF1 has been played here after bb4 ? I was thinking it could be a novelty in this line , of course it is a well known idea and appears in similar structures before, so it would not surprise me if it has been played on a top level .

Yes I agree any serious chessplayer has chessbase . And anyone who takes database searching seriously as well . That was what found so funny about the argument we had earlier , he was providing 50 year old games , and databases with like 20 games in them , It was quite ridiculous.
Of course there are no shortage of unqualified know-it-all's to be found here .

after 7.cxd4 bb4+, 8.kf1 has been played 9 times and latest in 2005, between a 2250+ and 2100 player. In 2003 there was a game between two 2200+ and 2350+ players.

The most common continuation is 8. ..d5, which leads to a position that has been played on a higher level in at least 4 cases. The most notable player is Constantin Lupulescu in a human vs human game, but it was also used in Topalov against the Computer-Programm Junior in 2004. Lupulescu won, Junior played 1/2-1/2

This phenomenom in regards to psuedo-chess players is surprisingly common , but it always manages to irk me a little none-the-less. As someone who has given decades to this game, and worked very very hard to get where I am .
It is a little like a bronze player in Sc getting Lippy with a pro Sc player about mechanics.
But at this point I will try my best to focus on the game , and not the annoyances that go along with it